Pacific Replacement for Fischer MSpeed Pro No 1 98 help?
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langdon0555
Semi-Pro
Yes either the X Force or X Force Pro...
They are the same mold.
They are the same mold.
Thanks, I found a BXT X Force, BXT X Force Pro, and a BXT X Force Pro No 1. Would it be the Pro No 1?
Thanks, I found a BXT X Force, BXT X Force Pro, and a BXT X Force Pro No 1. Would it be the Pro No 1?
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joohan
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Actually no. At least not the X Force Pro. M Speed Pro has fiberglass in its lay up which makes it play/feel different even to other Fischer offerings with the same beam profile.
X Force Pro is based on VT98Pro mold (close to #252 Baghdatis frames) which results in much crisper feeling racquet. I highly doubt Pacific still uses fiberglass in the X Force, too, but I’m too lazy to look for it.
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For the OP - I played with M Speeds for quite a while (SL version - 320 unstrung) as well as with VT98Pro/M Pro No.1 (mold that X Force Pro is based upon) and if you can’t find M Speeds/need to switch to something more contemporary with similar feel, than Yonex DR98 is your best bet. I played M Speed side to side with DR98 (yes, I have both) and DR98 plays/feels more similar than anything I’ve ever played with (even more so than old, Made in Belgium, Donnay Pro One Supermidsize with 50% fiberglass in the lay up).
DR98s are on sale because of the new line coming out, easy to get a good deal and, if necessary, move it on for little to no loss in case you don’t like it.
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langdon0555
Semi-Pro
You do not want the X force pro no 1...that is not the same mold as your M speed.
Joohan is mistaken.
You either want the x force or x force pro (the pro is just heavier)
Look at the throats of the pics below.
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langdon0555
Semi-Pro
The X force pro and x force are the same mold as the m speed pro. X force pro is NOT the Vt98 pro mold. Look at the second 2 pics...one is a old Fischer pro 1 (252 mold) ( I have that racquet), and the pacific x force pro 1 that is the same mold (252). The first 2 pics are the same mold, with one of them being the racquet the OP is referencing. OP asked for a Pacific that was the same...those are the same. Whether they feel 100% the same is dependent on how he would feel if he bought one to play next to it. Feel is relative from the persons perspective.
langdon0555
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Hansen
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joohan
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The X force pro and x force are the same mold as the m speed pro. X force pro is NOT the Vt98 pro mold. Look at the second 2 pics...one is a old Fischer pro 1 (252 mold) ( I have that racquet), and the pacific x force pro 1 that is the same mold (252). The first 2 pics are the same mold, with one of them being the racquet the OP is referencing. OP asked for a Pacific that was the same...those are the same. Whether they feel 100% the same is dependent on how he would feel if he bought one to play next to it. Feel is relative from the persons perspective.
The X Force Pro I’m talking about is an 18x20 string pattern with throat that’s the same as the old Pro No 1 on your last picture or VT98PRO. If Pacific has another X Force Pro with throat like in the first two pictures, I apologize for my ignorance and not being clear enough.
We can talk all day long about old Fishers (I played them too, btw and still have more than enough of them in my bags) but it does not help the OP. Most important thing is that, unless Pacific line based on M Speeds (with the throat like in the first two pictures) uses fiberglass too, those racquets won’t feel the same. And since they’re using basalt according to description on their site, they won’t.
If the OP is after the exact same weight/balance, then Pacific is the obvious way to go. If he’s after something, that plays similar to old black/green/red M Speeds, DR98 is closer than any other frame I’ve hit to date. That’s just my opinion, obviously.
The X Force Pro I was talking about:
https://www.stringersworld.com/tennis/rackets/pacific-bx2-x-force-pro-18x20-tennis-racket-2013/
Quite stupid of Pacific to name two different frames with two different molds by the same name.
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langdon0555
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Well you didn't reference the 18x20 string pattern in your original comment.
But yes...that one is the same mold as the (252 mold) but not the one's comparable to the m speed pro 1 he was talking about.
He did ask specifically what pacific is similar...so those would be the obvious choices. I'm not discrediting that the Dr98 might not feel similar to you. But feel is such an individual thing when it comes to racquets. One person may say a racquet feels to muted or stiff, but yet another says they feel flex in the same racquet. He may think the same thing about the DR98 if he tries it. But he also may feel the x force and x force pro do feel the same to his M speed pro 1's. But if I were him and since he asked about a Pacific replacement. It would make sense to try the x force or x force pro models since they are the exact same mold.
And one more quick point...
How do you know for sure if they had fiberglass in them? They may have that printed somewhere on the racquet, but who knows for sure. Point being with the old Fischer pro 1's (252 mold). They all had printed on them that they had graphite/ceramic. But from what most people have discussed over the years they stop putting ceramic in the layup after the red silver model. So the one picture I posted above (Red/white/black) (one I have), and the paint job after that (same paint scheme but just red/black) did not have ceramic in them any longer, even though they all have that graphite/ceramic written on them. But who knows.
langdon0555
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joohan
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Well you didn't reference the 18x20 string pattern in your original comment.
But yes...that one is the same mold as the (252 mold) but not the one's comparable to the m speed pro 1 he was talking about.
He did ask specifically what pacific is similar...so those would be the obvious choices. I'm not discrediting that the Dr98 might not feel similar to you. But feel is such an individual thing when it comes to racquets. One person may say a racquet feels to muted or stiff, but yet another says they feel flex in the same racquet. He may think the same thing about the DR98 if he tries it. But he also may feel the x force and x force pro do feel the same to his M speed pro 1's. But if I were him and since he asked about a Pacific replacement. It would make sense to try the x force or x force pro models since they are the exact same mold.
And one more quick point...
How do you know for sure if they had fiberglass in them? They may have that printed somewhere on the racquet, but who knows for sure. Point being with the old Fischer pro 1's (252 mold). They all had printed on them that they had graphite/ceramic. But from what most people have discussed over the years they stop putting ceramic in the layup after the red silver model. So the one picture I posted above (Red/white/black) (one I have), and the paint job after that (same paint scheme but just red/black) did not have ceramic in them any longer, even though they all have that graphite/ceramic written on them. But who knows.
Points taken. All of them.
Regarding fiberglass - I played with Volkl PB 10 Mid and Donnay Pro One Supermidsize quite a long time. Both with healthy amount of fiberglass and the feel of M Speeds is very similar (even with quite big difference regarding beam width/structure).
Of course, it’s possible there’s no fiberglass in any of those frames and I’ve just fallen victim to an intricate marketing scheme invoving three tennis brands.
McLovin
Legend
A little late to the party, but I'll chime in anyway...
@dsldsl, I used the M Pro No One, which is the black/green/yellow version, but for all intent & purposes, was the same as yours. I also went though the 'BX1'/BX2 iterations of the Pacific X Force Pro, and have hit with the new BXT version. Basically, the Pacific versions are a slightly stiffer copy of the M Speed/M Pro No One.
Now, IMO, this is better. My only complaint about the M Pro No One is it was a little under powered for my liking, and a little too flexible. The Pacific version still retains the Fischer 'feel'. In fact, the X Force Pro line feels the same as the 'Black Granite' Fischer Pro No 1 line that followed the M Pro No One (but never made it to the states 'officially').
I will be interested to hear you take on the BXT X Force Pro as compared to your M Speed. Almost all of the people I know who've hit with it, like it. I think the only complaint is it doesn't 'wow' you in any category. It gets a 'B+' in everything. Essentially, it is the Honda Accord of tennis racquets...
@dsldsl, I used the M Pro No One, which is the black/green/yellow version, but for all intent & purposes, was the same as yours. I also went though the 'BX1'/BX2 iterations of the Pacific X Force Pro, and have hit with the new BXT version. Basically, the Pacific versions are a slightly stiffer copy of the M Speed/M Pro No One.
Now, IMO, this is better. My only complaint about the M Pro No One is it was a little under powered for my liking, and a little too flexible. The Pacific version still retains the Fischer 'feel'. In fact, the X Force Pro line feels the same as the 'Black Granite' Fischer Pro No 1 line that followed the M Pro No One (but never made it to the states 'officially').
I will be interested to hear you take on the BXT X Force Pro as compared to your M Speed. Almost all of the people I know who've hit with it, like it. I think the only complaint is it doesn't 'wow' you in any category. It gets a 'B+' in everything. Essentially, it is the Honda Accord of tennis racquets...
I had a chance to hit for a couple of hours with the Pacific X Force Pro. It is an excellent racquet. I weighted it exactly the same as my old Fischer, and it felt great. It felt maybe a tad stiffer but it could that I compared it vs. a 13 year old Fischer. I prefer it over my Fischer, as it is just slightly mpre powerul while maintaining great control.
michael valek
Hall of Fame
Not at the moment but got 4x pro 1 330g grip 3 up for grabs.....
would you sell your pro 1 black red racquet? That's my fav racquet!The X force pro and x force are the same mold as the m speed pro. X force pro is NOT the Vt98 pro mold. Look at the second 2 pics...one is a old Fischer pro 1 (252 mold) ( I have that racquet), and the pacific x force pro 1 that is the same mold (252). The first 2 pics are the same mold, with one of them being the racquet the OP is referencing. OP asked for a Pacific that was the same...those are the same. Whether they feel 100% the same is dependent on how he would feel if he bought one to play next to it. Feel is relative from the persons perspective.
mad dog1
G.O.A.T.
The m speed pro #1 feels and plays nothing like the DR98. The m speed pro #1 has a nice full feel while the DR98 has that hollow modern racquet feel very similar to the ai98. While both are great racquets, they couldn’t feel more different.
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joohan
Guest
Fair enough, although I can think of a (quite a ) few frames that can feel more different than those two.
langdon0555
Semi-Pro
That picture is not actually mine, but I do have one exactly like that paint scheme. It's the 320 gram unstrung version. Not sure, as I kinda like to have it to hit with sometimes. I've had it since around 2002-2004. Cant remember when I first bought it.
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