Pacific X Force Pro No 1 "252" Review

joohan

Hall of Fame
One thing that I cannot gat away from is feeling that it's underpowered comparing to xi98 frame I am using "as my main frame" or as main frame as it gets for me...

This makes me feel that comes clay courts or doubles and I might regret using 252
If you come across a Fischer M Speed Pro no.1 105, don't be afraid to pull the trigger. Wonderful Nadal-esque frame with a lot of topspin and free power very suitable for claycourt conditions but in a comfortable, Fischer package.
 

Cesare

Semi-Pro
I can only give you specs written on the racquet as I don't have any machine to test it myself- 330g weight and 308mm balance(there is some +- as its not a "no tolerance" production). I have no reason to doubt those figures. Mine are all about 360g strung with a 17g string + leather grip + overgrip. SW according to my racquet history and experience is in low 320s.

Stiffness I have no idea because the ceramic layup plays with my senses...so to speak...most certainly over 60, maybe 63-64, I wouldn't want to mystificate you. It most certainly feels like "a cracker dipped in milk and honey".

Edit:

I looked up the M Speed Pro 98 SL specs and it has a 58 flex. I have also quite a few M Speeds around and the VT98 plays SIGNIFICANTLY stiffer (I'm not saying it is, just that it plays - maybe that's where the ceramic comes in). I can't, or rather don't like to play the M Speed stock, only with fair amount of lead at 3+9 which is not the case with the VT or even with a 320g Pro No.1: meaning the difference is not in the mass only.
I've checked the stiffness on my strung red VT Pro 98 and is 64 RA. Still play every day with this bat, best racquet i ever owned by far. Mine is 340 grams unstrung( with new Head Hydrosorb grip).
 

McLovin

Legend
If you come across a Fischer M Speed Pro no.1 105, don't be afraid to pull the trigger. Wonderful Nadal-esque frame with a lot of topspin and free power very suitable for claycourt conditions but in a comfortable, Fischer package.
Its my understanding that, aside from the grip shape change, there is absolutely no difference between the M Pro No 1 105 and the X Force Comp.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Its my understanding that, aside from the grip shape change, there is absolutely no difference between the M Pro No 1 105 and the X Force Comp.
As I've already stated - I have zero experience with Pacific frames aside from what I've read here on TT forums so I have little reason to doubt it :)

I've checked the stiffness on my strung red VT Pro 98 and is 64 RA. Still play every day with this bat, best racquet i ever owned by far. Mine is 340 grams unstrung( with new Head Hydrosorb grip).
Good for me :) I've only compared the feel of an M Speed 98 SL that should be around 59 with the feel of a VT98Pro that is a bit stiffer. I'm glad I was not mystifying(that's the right word...) anyone.
 

jbdbackfan

Rookie
Can someone summarize the ideal set up they used to maximize sweetspot
By adding 0.2-0.3 oz of lead? I play with a Fischer m pro no 1 at 55 lbs multi and sweetspot has never felt big on that racquet. Really wanna pull trigger on this but need to be convinced it's not a tiny sweet spot and stability is decent. Thank you.
 

MTBSwede

New User
First Post...been lurking the forum for a long time and finally created an account.

I just picked up this racket and took it out for a hit. I come from about ten+ years of playing with the Fischer Vacuum Pro 98 from the early 90's, got me through high school and college. Took some time off (15 years) from tennis and started playing again working my way back to 5.0 player, my old Fischer's are just to heavy for me now a days. Been looking for a lighter version ever since I started playing again and was excited when I saw the Pacific Pro 1 specs. From the first hit, it was quite evident that the flex rating on this racquet is a little off. Which is kind of refreshing, considering it's hard to come across more forgiving flexy racquets now a days. But it actually almost felt to much, muting the power considerably. The feel and control for the racquet is fantastic. The low weight of the racquet makes it quit customizable, therefore I added some lead in the hoop and a leather grip. This helped to bring the power to life, but I'm still not sold on this frame. I might have to put it up for sale unfortunately. All is not lost, I am happy with my X Force 16/20's with some lead and leather grip to make it more headlight. Just thought the Pro 1's would be the magic racquet, or maybe I am just getting to old to harness the true power of these sticks!
 

Don't Let It Bounce

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It's my understanding that, aside from the grip shape change, there is absolutely no difference between the M Pro No 1 105 and the X Force Comp.
They're pretty much the same, but not 100%. The M Pro No. One 105 came in two weights, SL (superlight) and UL (ultralight), with (according to a dealer I asked who sounded pretty sure of himself) a very slight difference in the makeup between the two – he specified the amount of fiberglass in the head. The X-Force Comp shares the specs of the old UL.

Also, like Fischer's swan song Black Granite generation – which did not seem to include a 105, at least not one that I ever saw – the Comp has basalt doing what fiberglass had done from the 2004 red-black through the M-Pro green-yellow versions. So I guess we'd call it the Fischer Black Granite M Pro No. One 105 UL that we never got... unless we did get it, and I just missed it, in which case... [Emily Litella voice] never mind.

All that's minor, really; I too think of them as basically the same racket.
 

McLovin

Legend
From the first hit, it was quite evident that the flex rating on this racquet is a little off. Which is kind of refreshing, considering it's hard to come across more forgiving flexy racquets now a days. But it actually almost felt to much, muting the power considerably. The feel and control for the racquet is fantastic. The low weight of the racquet makes it quit customizable, therefore I added some lead in the hoop and a leather grip. This helped to bring the power to life, but I'm still not sold on this frame. I might have to put it up for sale unfortunately. All is not lost, I am happy with my X Force 16/20's with some lead and leather grip to make it more headlight. Just thought the Pro 1's would be the magic racquet, or maybe I am just getting to old to harness the true power of these sticks!
My sentiments exactly. What string are you using, and at what tension? I've found there is a considerable drop in power between the X Force Pro No 1 and the X Force Pro. My normal setup is gut/poly at 54/52, but I'm going to take a look at something like Gamma Glide and MonoGut ZX as a cross to see if I can increase the power slightly.

I went from the X Force Pro -> X Force (+ leather & lead) to the Pro No 1 (+ two overwraps & lead). The 'X Force + leather & lead' probably would have worked, but I was drawn in by the hope of it being like my Pro No 1 from way back.

Don't get me wrong...its a great frame. But it might just be a little too low powered for my age...
 

MTBSwede

New User
During my time off from tennis poly became the goto string, so I missed the transition. Plus demoing (buying a a few wrong ones) all these stiff racquets have wrecked my arm, scaring me off from stiff poly. So I have been using what I am use to, good old Prince Syn gut. Though now that I seem to be getting this racquet/arm thing sorted out. I will be getting the Weiss tension head for my old Ektelon Model H so I can start experimenting with Poly's and find something that works for me.

So answer to your question, Prince Syn gut 16g at 57 pounds. On my X Force I have been plus minus one pound of that and been happy, figured it would be a good starting point for the Pro 1.
 

t-swede

Semi-Pro
They're pretty much the same, but not 100%. The M Pro No. One 105 came in two weights, SL (superlight) and UL (ultralight), with (according to a dealer I asked who sounded pretty sure of himself) a very slight difference in the makeup between the two – he specified the amount of fiberglass in the head. The X-Force Comp shares the specs of the old UL.

Also, like Fischer's swan song Black Granite generation – which did not seem to include a 105, at least not one that I ever saw – the Comp has basalt doing what fiberglass had done from the 2004 red-black through the M-Pro green-yellow versions. So I guess we'd cal wil it the Fischer Black Granite M Pro No. One 105 UL that we never got... unless we did get it, and I just missed it, in which case... [Emily Litella voice] never mind.

All that's minor, really; I too think of them as basically the same racket.
if i would want to get the xforce comp identical to the fischer 105 sl which weighs 320 grams unstrung where should i add the lead or maybe a leather grip and some lead to the upper hoop at 3 and 9 a clock ?
 
During my time off from tennis poly became the goto string, so I missed the transition. Plus demoing (buying a a few wrong ones) all these stiff racquets have wrecked my arm, scaring me off from stiff poly. So I have been using what I am use to, good old Prince Syn gut. Though now that I seem to be getting this racquet/arm thing sorted out. I will be getting the Weiss tension head for my old Ektelon Model H so I can start experimenting with Poly's and find something that works for me.

So answer to your question, Prince Syn gut 16g at 57 pounds. On my X Force I have been plus minus one pound of that and been happy, figured it would be a good starting point for the Pro 1.
Welcome to the board. Always happy to see another Fischer user.

You may already know that Fischer rackets play really well at the lower end of the tension range. You can try dropping few pounds of tension. Another alternative is to go to a stiff multi like Tourna Quasi Gut or Gamma TNT2. I string my Pro No 1 FT at 53 lbs in summer and 48 lbs in winter with full bed of Gamma TNT2. No noticeable string movement and good amount of power without losing control. I am no where close to 5.0 so your ideal string setup could be very different from mine.
 

McLovin

Legend
I will be getting the Weiss tension head for my old Ektelon Model H so I can start experimenting with Poly's and find something that works for me.
I also have a Weiss 2086, and just a little helpful hint: If you use the 'constant pull' option, start ~ 2lbs looser than you normally string to get the equivalent tension. I came from a dropweight and had to drop the Weiss from 58/56 down to 54/52 to get the equivalent tension (using the RacquetTune app). I assume a crank is closer, but the 'constant pull' will end up a tad tighter.

I was curious how it would differ, so I measured a fresh racquet before the Weiss, installed it, strung at my normal tension (58/56) and measured. Sure enough, it registered 4lbs tighter. So I dropped the Weiss 4lbs and have been happy ever since.
 

McLovin

Legend
if i would want to get the xforce comp identical to the fischer 105 sl which weighs 320 grams unstrung where should i add the lead or maybe a leather grip and some lead to the upper hoop at 3 and 9 a clock ?
The specs on the X Force Comp show 290g unstrung, but it is more head heavy. Adding a leather will give you an additional 7-10g, depending on the brand of leather (see http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/lets-gather-all-grip-specs-weight-thickness-into-one-thread.465717/ for a listing). You'll likely have to add even more weight to either the throat, under the leather, or take apart the handle and line it w/ silicone (there's a thread out there someone to do this w/ the Fischer/Pacific grip system).

That will bring you maybe 310g, then you'll have to supplement around 3, 9, & 12 to get to 320g & the correct balance, which, according to this:

is 7pts HL strung. Don't know what it was unstrung.
 

Don't Let It Bounce

Hall of Fame
if i would want to get the xforce comp identical to the fischer 105 sl which weighs 320 grams unstrung where should i add the lead or maybe a leather grip and some lead to the upper hoop at 3 and 9 a clock ?
Follow McLovin's advice if you want to get it about right without doing a lot of measuring and stuff. Considering how much variation there is in the specs of individual rackets of the same model anyway, and considering the minor differences in the materials of the two frames, striving for maximum precision may be wasted effort anyway. The unstrung balance of that Fischer 105 SL, as printed on mine, is 12.2" ± 0.2", so 9 to 12 pt HL.

If you do want to get into the nitty-gritty, measure the strung weight, balance, and swing weight of your Pacific. Swing weight measurement instructions are here. Go to the TW Racquet Customization page and choose "What I Want" numbers in the range of the MPro No. One 105's strung weight (329 - 341 g), balance (31.5 - 32.5 cm), and swing weight (315 - 327 kg•cm^2). The magic web page will get you as close as is possible, but sometimes the amount of lead it would take to get a certain balance and/or swing weight would take you past the "What I Want" weight. You can play with it by trying different values for the "What I Want" weight.
 
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Alex78

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In all likelihood, it's the number Fischer assigned to this mold when they designed this racket. Racket engineers design and test a multitude of molds and obviously, not all of them end up in the racket lineup.
 

insiderman

Semi-Pro
"252" refers to the actual mould - it was also (back in the day) the common way referenced among the ATP/WTA players who used the original Fischer version(s) - basically seems it was easier for the players and Fischer Pro-Player Staff to use "252" when talking about this frame model...
 

Pmasterfunk

Professional
Interesting review and thanks for your thoughts! I still wish pacific would create a 330 gram frame on HL side. I genuinely dislike adding so much weight to a frame and maybe just a tiny bit to tweak. I cannot play with a light racquet, it literally feels awkward. My sweet spot is a frame in 12.1-12.4 oz range that is 10 or 9 pts HL strung. I tried with some weight to get to that with the BX2 X force pro and it plays better.
But I would like it to be a few grams heavier. May be 330 grams strung would've been better.
I'm a bit late to the boat on this one, but the X-Force Pro is about 335g strung, so maybe 315-320 unstrung. It comes with a synthetic grip, so if you replace that with a leather one, it gets pretty close to 330g. I played with the X-Force Pro 18x20 for a while, and though I liked the feel, I only managed to make it work for me by weighing it up to about 355g strung, which is too heavy for me, but it might work for you guys.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
I'm a bit late to the boat on this one, but the X-Force Pro is about 335g strung, so maybe 315-320 unstrung. It comes with a synthetic grip, so if you replace that with a leather one, it gets pretty close to 330g. I played with the X-Force Pro 18x20 for a while, and though I liked the feel, I only managed to make it work for me by weighing it up to about 355g strung, which is too heavy for me, but it might work for you guys.
The only Fischer I was able to play stock was the 330g VT98 Pro/Pro 1. I'm about to receive the Vacuum Pro 90 and I'm really curious how will that one fare...
 

MTBSwede

New User
So I decided to give the Pro 1 another try this past weekend, strung it at 55 this time (leather with over grip grip, no lead anywhere). I always strung my Fischers in the 90's over the high end at usually 60-62, granted they were leaded pretty heavily. I obviously don't have the endurance strength to hit with clubs like that anymore, one set and done. At 55, the racquet had more power. Though it now started to feel almost like a trampoline, yet still not the power I am looking for. I did love the plush feel, especially volleying and on touch shots. I bet if I start to lead it up more, it will come to life. When I went to crush short balls or step in on service returns it just didn't have the pop that I was looking for. I did have one BX2 X-Force stock (unleaded) with leather grip in the bag, not my regular hitting leaded BX2 to compare with. The X-Force was definitely stiffer feeling with more power. Now I am wondering if the X-Force Pro is what I am really looking for, HL like the Pro 1, but a little more power? I actually like the X-Force, just a little overall light and not HL enough for me. I really want this racquet to work with out having to lead the crap out of it!

Making an edit and adding to this original post:

It dawned on me today that since having this racquet I have only been hitting with 4.5 players, that hit a pretty strong and at times heavy spinning ball. But this morning an old friend from college was passing through town that can still hold his own at the open level. I decided to give the Pro 1 another shot and it was fantastic, against his heavy groundstrokes and bombing serves the racquet came to life. That's when it hit me that I don't play at this level anymore or constantly hit at such a level to really bring out the true power potential in my opinion of this racquet. But boy did it feel good when we got in a groove off the baseline, as if the racquet absorbed the blows and then launched it right back at him with power and control. Unfortunately I don't consistently have guys like this to hit with anymore to truly enjoy this stick.
 
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dgoran

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So I decided to give the Pro 1 another try this past weekend, strung it at 55 this time (leather with over grip grip, no lead anywhere). I always strung my Fischers in the 90's over the high end at usually 60-62, granted they were leaded pretty heavily. I obviously don't have the endurance strength to hit with clubs like that anymore, one set and done. At 55, the racquet had more power. Though it now started to feel almost like a trampoline, yet still not the power I am looking for. I did love the plush feel, especially volleying and on touch shots. I bet if I start to lead it up more, it will come to life. When I went to crush short balls or step in on service returns it just didn't have the pop that I was looking for. I did have one BX2 X-Force stock (unleaded) with leather grip in the bag, not my regular hitting leaded BX2 to compare with. The X-Force was definitely stiffer feeling with more power. Now I am wondering if the X-Force Pro is what I am really looking for, HL like the Pro 1, but a little more power? I actually like the X-Force, just a little overall light and not HL enough for me. I really want this racquet to work with out having to lead the crap out of it!

Making an edit and adding to this original post:

It dawned on me today that since having this racquet I have only been hitting with 4.5 players, that hit a pretty strong and at times heavy spinning ball. But this morning an old friend from college was passing through town that can still hold his own at the open level. I decided to give the Pro 1 another shot and it was fantastic, against his heavy groundstrokes and bombing serves the racquet came to life. That's when it hit me that I don't play at this level anymore or constantly hit at such a level to really bring out the true power potential in my opinion of this racquet. But boy did it feel good when we got in a groove off the baseline, as if the racquet absorbed the blows and then launched it right back at him with power and control. Unfortunately I don't consistently have guys like this to hit with anymore to truly enjoy this stick.
My thought exactly on later part of your review
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Is the paint on this racquet as fragile as in the old VT98? Because the original frame chips if you just look hard at it...
 
No seems well baked I had zero issues one of the best qc I have ever seen
The paint on Pacifics is very very good... only thing better in that regard that Ive found is Angell. Pacific's reboots of the Fischer lines are unique and very rewarding. If you want control... they deliver.
 

joohan

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No seems well baked I had zero issues one of the best qc I have ever seen
Pacific's reboots of the Fischer lines are unique and very rewarding. If you want control... they deliver.
Thanks a lot, gentlemen. Maybe I'll give the #252 a shot before I turn to Angell. I any case...I still have more than a couple of the originals and 16x20/98inch grommets are still rather easily available.
 
Thanks a lot, gentlemen. Maybe I'll give the #252 a shot before I turn to Angell. I any case...I still have more than a couple of the originals and 16x20/98inch grommets are still rather easily available.
I do think the Angells are more powerful than the 252... similar precision... different feel of course. The 252 has a flex in the throat which you dont find often these days. Not many options for us flex loving players these days really. Lame... half of the fun of tennis is trying out new gear occasionally. My main concern is I want to be able to get matching frames years apart. Right now Pacific and Angell provide that
 

joohan

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I do think the Angells are more powerful than the 252... similar precision... different feel of course. The 252 has a flex in the throat which you dont find often these days. Not many options for us flex loving players these days really. Lame... half of the fun of tennis is trying out new gear occasionally. My main concern is I want to be able to get matching frames years apart. Right now Pacific and Angell provide that
True. Since I'm all but lost at the moment I figured that answer may be "inside" the box of my thinking, as it were. It led me to realizing that the only thing I do not like about the VT98Pro is it's tapered beam and what it does to my slicing. After reading through various threads I concluded that it is an acceptable trade off, if any at all, given how much I like playing with that frame, how good I play with it and how easy is for me to find new ones (I just bought a mint black/red Pro 1 330g for some 35 bucks...). On top of that my new favourite racquet (Vacuum Pro Mid) is of the same mold/specs(aside from headsize/beam width) so I would play with the same racquet, essentially, even when having fun. I think it will help my consistency big time.

So instead of finding answers somewhere "outside the box" I'm better off appreciating what I already have, stocking up on grommets and, first and foremost, just playing the game. Plus it's nice to know that Pacific is still selling this mold either in X Force Pro 18x20 or new Pro 1.
 
True. Since I'm all but lost at the moment I figured that answer may be "inside" the box of my thinking, as it were. It led me to realizing that the only thing I do not like about the VT98Pro is it's tapered beam and what it does to my slicing. After reading through various threads I concluded that it is an acceptable trade off, if any at all, given how much I like playing with that frame, how good I play with it and how easy is for me to find new ones (I just bought a mint black/red Pro 1 330g for some 35 bucks...). On top of that my new favourite racquet (Vacuum Pro Mid) is of the same mold/specs(aside from headsize/beam width) so I would play with the same racquet, essentially, even when having fun. I think it will help my consistency big time.

So instead of finding answers somewhere "outside the box" I'm better off appreciating what I already have, stocking up on grommets and, first and foremost, just playing the game. Plus it's nice to know that Pacific is still selling this mold either in X Force Pro 18x20 or new Pro 1.
Yes stocking up on grommets isnt that exciting BUT it is a great thing to have. I need one of the Vacuum Pro 90 mids.
 

joohan

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Joohan Have you tried dr98 or blade 18x20
I've played with a Blade 18x20 a couple of times but it was a model some two generations back. Found it a lot brassy and sort of "uncertain" feelwise. I liked how I played with it but did not like how it felt. I must admit that the latest Blade 18x20 intrigues me as I've played with the 18x20 pattern before(Dunlop Aerogel 4D 200, Biomimetic 300Tour) and like it very much. I have not played with any Yonex racquet yet.I assume DR98 would be quite similar to the VT98 considering the TW review and overall customer feedback.
 

dgoran

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I've played with a Blade 18x20 a couple of times but it was a model some two generations back. Found it a lot brassy and sort of "uncertain" feelwise. I liked how I played with it but did not like how it felt. I must admit that the latest Blade 18x20 intrigues me as I've played with the 18x20 pattern before(Dunlop Aerogel 4D 200, Biomimetic 300Tour) and like it very much. I have not played with any Yonex racquet yet.I assume DR98 would be quite similar to the VT98 considering the TW review and overall customer feedback.
yes dr98 is like modern version of 252 in 16x19 also more powerful which might help you. IMHO 2015 Blade is miles better it's like perfected product in comparison to older blades TRY IT
 

joohan

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yes dr98 is like modern version of 252 in 16x19 also more powerful which might help you. IMHO 2015 Blade is miles better it's like perfected product in comparison to older blades TRY IT
Thanks a lot. That's another reason for me not to go for an Angell at the moment (I know I've stated otherwise elsewhere and not only once...). The TW demo program was not available where I studied at the time and after that I was kind of settled on what I've found through trial and error. I guess I need to properly try some properly chosen frames to find out what's out there. But I'm not in a hurry.

Textreme Tour 95, DR98, Blade 98 18x20, Pure Control Tour, Volkl Super G "Mids", Response 97, ProStaff 97S, #252, X Force Pro 18x20...maybe some second hand Angell just to get the taste.
 

McLovin

Legend
@joohan , if you're concerned w/ the tapered beam of the X Force, and want to try a Yonex, I'd recommend the VCore Tour line, either the Tour G or the new Dual G, over the DR98. I've hit w/ the DR98, and it just doesn't have that 'feel' I think you're looking for. The Tour G is a very comfortable feeling frame...definitely worth a swing if you're in the market for an all around player's frame.

And the beauty of the VCore Tour line is they have a 310g version and a 330g version, in case you want to get a 'platform' version to customize.
 

dgoran

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@joohan , if you're concerned w/ the tapered beam of the X Force, and want to try a Yonex, I'd recommend the VCore Tour line, either the Tour G or the new Dual G, over the DR98. I've hit w/ the DR98, and it just doesn't have that 'feel' I think you're looking for. The Tour G is a very comfortable feeling frame...definitely worth a swing if you're in the market for an all around player's frame.

And the beauty of the VCore Tour line is they have a 310g version and a 330g version, in case you want to get a 'platform' version to customize.
Funny you mentioned I'm just play testing dr98 vs vcoreg 310 vs Blade vs 252
 

joohan

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@joohan , if you're concerned w/ the tapered beam of the X Force, and want to try a Yonex, I'd recommend the VCore Tour line, either the Tour G or the new Dual G, over the DR98. I've hit w/ the DR98, and it just doesn't have that 'feel' I think you're looking for. The Tour G is a very comfortable feeling frame...definitely worth a swing if you're in the market for an all around player's frame.

And the beauty of the VCore Tour line is they have a 310g version and a 330g version, in case you want to get a 'platform' version to customize.
Thank you, I'll keep that in mind.
 

dgoran

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I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on these (a comparison).
Initial impressions are as follows:
Vcore g : too throat heavy... I prefer my racquets more weighted towards tip and handle this made it nearly impossible to serve with and needed lead to make it work.

Blade: love it. feel is almost pro stock with comfy bend Byt not overly flexy. Kind of reminds me like old ti radical and pt57e had a baby. Can feel too control oriented if strung tight

252: best feel I ever felt. Feel I can drop shot 20ft behind baseline. Too underpowered stock and sweet spot too low in the stock stringbed. For my game I needed 2.5gr if lead at 12 to make it come alive. Still feel little underpowered sometime but that actually helps me since I tend to overhit

Dr98: Felt like modern version of 252 like orig apd and pro no 1 had a baby. To this date the most accurate racquet I have ever used for serve. More spin than blade and 252 combined. I have to hit with it more to see how it plays under pressure
 
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joohan

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Initial impressions are as follows:
Vcore g : too throat heavy... I prefer my racquets more weighted towards tip and handle this made it nearly impossible to serve with and needed lead to make it work.

Blade: love it. feel is almost pro stock with comfy bend Byt not overly flexy. Kind of reminds me like old ti radical and pt57e had a baby. Can feel too control oriented if strung tight

252: best feel I ever felt. Feel I can drop shot 20ft behind baseline. Too underpowered stock and sweet spot too low in the stock stringbed. For my game I needed 2.5gr if lead at 12 to make it come alive. Still feel little underpowered sometime but that actually helps me since I tend to overhit

Dr98: Felt like modern version of 252 like orig apd and pro no 1 had a baby. To this date the most accurate racquet I have ever used for serve. More spin than blade and 252 combined. I have to hit with it more to see how it plays under pressure
Good mini reviews. Thanks a lot.

Dr98: Felt like modern version of 252 like orig apd and pro no 1 had a baby.
Fischer VT98Pro(#252 direct ancestor, 330g unstrung) was described on TT forums like if "APD(probably original) and Volkl Powerbridge 10 Mid had a baby". DR98 being an offspring of #252 and APD original is a subtle step in the "modern" direction. Bless you, mr Darwin and all that evolution stuff of yours...
 

sma1001

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Initial impressions are as follows:
Vcore g : too throat heavy... I prefer my racquets more weighted towards tip and handle this made it nearly impossible to serve with and needed lead to make it work.

Blade: love it. feel is almost pro stock with comfy bend Byt not overly flexy. Kind of reminds me like old ti radical and pt57e had a baby. Can feel too control oriented if strung tight

252: best feel I ever felt. Feel I can drop shot 20ft behind baseline. Too underpowered stock and sweet spot too low in the stock stringbed. For my game I needed 2.5gr if lead at 12 to make it come alive. Still feel little underpowered sometime but that actually helps me since I tend to overhit

Dr98: Felt like modern version of 252 like orig apd and pro no 1 had a baby. To this date the most accurate racquet I have ever used for serve. More spin than blade and 252 combined. I have to hit with it more to see how it plays under pressure
Great, thanks!
 

McLovin

Legend
Vcore g : too throat heavy... I prefer my racquets more weighted towards tip and handle this made it nearly impossible to serve with and needed lead to make it work.
I guess this is the difference between people's preferences, and why one needs to test frames for themselves. Looking at how I've added weight to pretty much every frame I've customized, there is a long strip of 1/2" thick lead in the throat (M-Comp 95, VCore Tour 310, X Force Pro No 1, Black Granite Pro No 1).

Its just what feels good to me, which is probably why I liked the VCore Tour G over the DR98.
 

Don't Let It Bounce

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Has anyone compared the stock-heavier 252 or X-Force Pro frames with using a lighter X-Force 98 or X-Force Light as a customization platform?

[The similarity of the various relevant racket names makes searching for it a hassle.]
 

joohan

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Has anyone compared the stock-heavier 252 or X-Force Pro frames with using a lighter X-Force 98 or X-Force Light as a customization platform?

[The similarity of the various relevant racket names makes searching for it a hassle.]
I recall a thread dedicated entirely to leading up a X-Force Lite.

Comparisons with X - Force frames are hard to make as the #252(Fischer VT98Pro) mold is only present in X Force Pro 18x20(not 16x20), X Force Lite and, obviously, 252. Feel and - to some extent - playing characteristics of the #252 mold is quite unique and hard to find in any other racquet.
 

dgoran

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Good mini reviews. Thanks a lot.



Fischer VT98Pro(#252 direct ancestor, 330g unstrung) was described on TT forums like if "APD(probably original) and Volkl Powerbridge 10 Mid had a baby". DR98 being an offspring of #252 and APD original is a subtle step in the "modern" direction. Bless you, mr Darwin and all that evolution stuff of yours...
Haha those quotes were my words
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
I guess this is the difference between people's preferences, and why one needs to test frames for themselves. Looking at how I've added weight to pretty much every frame I've customized, there is a long strip of 1/2" thick lead in the throat (M-Comp 95, VCore Tour 310, X Force Pro No 1, Black Granite Pro No 1).

Its just what feels good to me, which is probably why I liked the VCore Tour G over the DR98.
Exactly
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
Has anyone compared the stock-heavier 252 or X-Force Pro frames with using a lighter X-Force 98 or X-Force Light as a customization platform?

[The similarity of the various relevant racket names makes searching for it a hassle.]
I played both xf lite and 252 about a month apart or so and although some say xforce light was flexier to me they felt the same if modified
 

McLovin

Legend
Has anyone compared the stock-heavier 252 or X-Force Pro frames with using a lighter X-Force 98 or X-Force Light as a customization platform?
I recall a thread dedicated entirely to leading up a X-Force Lite.
To @Don't Let It Bounce , yes on both accounts.

To @joohan , that was my thread:

Although all my pics are now gone...

So for the X Force Lite, it was the orange version, and I felt it was too flexy. Maybe the new blue one is different?

For the BX2 X Force as compared to the BX2 X Force Pro...when weighted up correctly, the X Force plays almost identically to the Pro version. Currently, I am playing the Fischer Black Granite Pro No 1 295g version, which is essentially the X Force regular (because I couldn't find any X Force Pros in 4 1/2 anywhere). I have added exactly 25g of lead/leather grip/extra overwrap to achieve 320g, 310mm balance, and it plays almost identically to the BX2 X Force Pro.

So, if you like the feel of the X Force Pro, but want to mess w/ weight/balance, the X Force is a great platform frame IMO.
 
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