Pacific X Force Pro No 1 "252" Review

sma1001

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Initial impressions are as follows:
Vcore g : too throat heavy... I prefer my racquets more weighted towards tip and handle this made it nearly impossible to serve with and needed lead to make it work.

Blade: love it. feel is almost pro stock with comfy bend Byt not overly flexy. Kind of reminds me like old ti radical and pt57e had a baby. Can feel too control oriented if strung tight

252: best feel I ever felt. Feel I can drop shot 20ft behind baseline. Too underpowered stock and sweet spot too low in the stock stringbed. For my game I needed 2.5gr if lead at 12 to make it come alive. Still feel little underpowered sometime but that actually helps me since I tend to overhit

Dr98: Felt like modern version of 252 like orig apd and pro no 1 had a baby. To this date the most accurate racquet I have ever used for serve. More spin than blade and 252 combined. I have to hit with it more to see how it plays under pressure
Sounds like you consider the Blade, 252 and DR98 as all very good? I appreciate you describing each individually, but how do they stack up against one another? In what ways do each outshine one another? I've hit the Blade and DR98, and am curious how the 252 stacks up as regards power, spin, control, serve, volleys, groundies (that seems like a long list but you know what i mean!). Likewise against the X Force Pro 98 if you've played that. Any thoughts?
 

dgoran

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Sounds like you consider the Blade, 252 and DR98 as all very good? I appreciate you describing each individually, but how do they stack up against one another? In what ways do each outshine one another? I've hit the Blade and DR98, and am curious how the 252 stacks up as regards power, spin, control, serve, volleys, groundies (that seems like a long list but you know what i mean!). Likewise against the X Force Pro 98 if you've played that. Any thoughts?
Placeholder for reply:
Dr98 vs blade vs 252
 

kailash

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First time tried the Pro No 1 "252" and I am hooked!

Perfect feel for me, awesome control, plush, good plow through and touch!! Has pretty much everything that I am looking for. My all time favorite is Head IG Prestige Mid and now this one is in head to head competition with it :)

Anyone playing with these?
 

dgoran

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First time tried the Pro No 1 "252" and I am hooked!

Perfect feel for me, awesome control, plush, good plow through and touch!! Has pretty much everything that I am looking for. My all time favorite is Head IG Prestige Mid and now this one is in head to head competition with it :)

Anyone playing with these?
I still own 2 it's super unique feel and I have the best feel on the court with that Racquet.

I feel like I can send dropshot from 10feet behind baseline with that one.

Here's the downside for my game. I rely on a big serve and it definitely zaps some pop from my serve with all that flexibility and comfort. In addition Anything off center and power level drops and you will drop it short and if you are playing anyone at or above 5.0 it's bye bye.
I love the unique feel and I am keeping them just for that and cannot bring myself to sell them.
 

joohan

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First time tried the Pro No 1 "252" and I am hooked!

Perfect feel for me, awesome control, plush, good plow through and touch!! Has pretty much everything that I am looking for. My all time favorite is Head IG Prestige Mid and now this one is in head to head competition with it :)

Anyone playing with these?
Still playing with the original VT98Pro from Fischer(the frame "252" mold originates from) occasionally. Wider/Tapered beam is the only downside I can find in this racquet, otherwise it's one if the best out there...

Playing with Angell TC95 as my main playing frame and just recently tried Yonex for the first time (Vcore 89 Tour).
 

dgoran

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First time tried the Pro No 1 "252" and I am hooked!

Perfect feel for me, awesome control, plush, good plow through and touch!! Has pretty much everything that I am looking for. My all time favorite is Head IG Prestige Mid and now this one is in head to head competition with it :)

Anyone playing with these?
Btw just to toss this out there once modified to Baghdatis specs it really shines... also to show how all of this is personal my friend that tried this racquet thought it felt like cheap Walmart racquet...
 

joohan

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it felt like cheap Walmart racquet...
I like both crisp and flexy racquets(currently play with Angell TC95 58RA strung and Yonex Vcore 89T 64RA strung). This Pro 1 mold(the #252) is by far the best in the original Vacuum Pro Mid. Thin, 19mm constant beam in a true one-piece frame with SiC lay-up is, at least for me, the very best feeling frame ever produced.
 

kailash

Professional
Btw just to toss this out there once modified to Baghdatis specs it really shines... also to show how all of this is personal my friend that tried this racquet thought it felt like cheap Walmart racquet...
Thanks for the info. What are Baghdatis specs and how did you customize the racquet?

Regarding friend's comment, strange... it is one of the best feeling racquets.
 

kailash

Professional
.. This Pro 1 mold(the #252) is by far the best in the original Vacuum Pro Mid. Thin, 19mm constant beam in a true one-piece frame with SiC lay-up is, at least for me, the very best feeling frame ever produced.
For me too...very best feeling :)
 

zalive

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In the end I cancelled BX2 Lite "252" version (orange) because I was still waiting for stock to arrive. But I was able to order yesterday the latest BXT version for the same great price of 37 euro delivered (and seller had the last one at stock). I love BXT PJ much better. Interesting, now Pacific decided to print on its lite version that it's indeed a "252" design.

Seems that new version of lite "252" is bit stiffer than previous one. BX2 lt is speced at 59 RA while BXT is speced at 62 RA. This is not necessary bad at all if its hoop is a bit stiffer.

My plan is to customize it to somewhere between 12.5-13 oz with 340-350 SW by using long strips from 9 to 3 o'clock to make sweet spot as wide as possible in all important directions, as this seems to be the weak spot of the design. TBH I don't like narrow sweet spots at all, but I hope it can be avoided with enough lead, so we'll see...I'll keep you updated about results :)
 

Pmasterfunk

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But I was able to order yesterday the latest BXT version for the same great price of 37 euro delivered
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
(and seller had the last one at stock)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

On a more serious note, regarding the stiffness, the other big american online tennis tore has them for sale, and their specsheet says the stiffness is 53 :eek:. Where did your 62 come from? I'm not doubting you, I'm just confused about the huge gap.
 

zalive

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WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

On a more serious note, regarding the stiffness, the other big american online tennis tore has them for sale, and their specsheet says the stiffness is 53 :eek:. Where did your 62 come from? I'm not doubting you, I'm just confused about the huge gap.
As Automatix said, Pacific specifies this stiffness, it can be found in their catalogue. But they don't mention if this is unstrung or strung.

Mind that I use grip size 4. I guess this lite version is sold to juniors mostly (they don't even make size 5 of it), so grip size 4 is most likely to go on lowest price. But it's funny with am.azon that they keep their low offer for the short time. This was for the last one, but for BX2 version it was not on stock but price nevertheless went up shortly after. For BXT it was on co.uk and for BX2 it was on .de am.azon.

If you're interested, I suggest you to check every while, I guess this happens from time to time. But anyway it's hard to believe who else would buy this racquet aside of ambitious juniors and customizers. It's extremely low powered in stock form.
 

Automatix

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Mind that I use grip size 4. I guess this lite version is sold to juniors mostly (they don't even make size 5 of it), so grip size 4 is most likely to go on lowest price. But it's funny with am.azon that they keep their low offer for the short time. This was for the last one, but for BX2 version it was not on stock but price nevertheless went up shortly after. For BXT it was on co.uk and for BX2 it was on .de am.azon.
Luckily it should have the new PGS system so Pacific should be able to sell a 5 size grip to change... I mean, if you can't get a L5 frame to start with.

BTW is it me or is the buttcap flare huge on these?
 

zalive

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Racquet already arrived at friday! I customized it and I'll get it to stringer tomorrow.
First impression, from someone with absolutely no previous experience with Pacific: frame feels a bit plasticky. It's because of basalt?
Second thing: this might be because my scale is off (which I didn't know before), but frame unstrung was not 270 g as it should be. It was 275 g. I suspect it might be measuring because balance unstrung was on target, 325 mm. But I'm not certain. Oh yeah, one reason to doubt: on paper sheet that came with the racquet it says that Zero tolerance is available for X Force and X Force Pro raquets. But this one is X Force Lite. Huh...seems like they sayin' Lite is not included in Zero tolerance. Funny.
 
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zalive

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It's not impossible, with certain conditions met, as lite's hoop is lighter than on pro.
However that would mean they lie about swing index rating, which suggests lite version might have a bit stiffer hoop.
The other possibility is that Pacific doesn't lie about meeting its tight tolerance by vacuum manufacturing process. In which case lite version is simply not produced using a vacuum process.

My start customization should have its SW around 340. I'm going for a softer string bed at tension range which allows some power. Most probably I'm going to use Yonex PTP at mains and Isospeed Cream for crosses.
 

zalive

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Well, at least, this very lite frame carries a zero tolerance logo - I cannot call this anything other than a lie.
On the other hand, their catalogue is unclear - the only racquet they explicitely say it's made with zero tolerance is X Force Pro (not the "252").
 
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FischerFan

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Well, at least, this very lite frame carries a zero tolerance logo - I cannot call this anything other than a lie.
On the other hand, their catalogue is unclear - the only racquet they explicitely say it's made with zero tolerance is X Force Pro (not the "252").


252 LT, XForce, XForce Pro, XForce Pro 1, Xtour 97 all offer zero tolerance. The only new frames that don't boast that technology are the widebody Xfast frames. At least that's what I've experienced.
 

zalive

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252 LT, XForce, XForce Pro, XForce Pro 1, Xtour 97 all offer zero tolerance. The only new frames that don't boast that technology are the widebody Xfast frames. At least that's what I've experienced.
According to sheet that came with the racquet, manufacturer stated it for XF and XFP among XForce ones. Otherwise their statement has no meaning. Anyway I checked with another scale and it shows the same weight to a gram. Meaning my stock XFL was really +5 gr off.

Oh yeah, it came prestrung with some multi. Prestrung it was 288 grams. When I cut it off it was 275 g.
 
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FischerFan

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According to sheet that came with the racquet, manufacturer stated it for XF and XFP among XForce ones. Otherwise their statement has no meaning. Anyway I checked with another scale and it shows the same weight to a gram. Meaning my stock XFL was really +5 gr off.

Oh yeah, it came prestrung with some multi. Prestrung it was 288 grams. When I cut it off it was 275 g.
I'm not trying to defend a manufacturer, as I have no game in the fight. Just was saying that those frames I mentioned all "should" be zero tolerance" according to the manufacturer adverstising. Not sure if the paper or placeholder that comes with them are published correctly or not. Just saying that if you had 2 of them, they should all be, very, very close.

Wasn't trying to pick a fight:)

Would think it would about near impossible to offer that guarantee with frames coming out of China. That's just my personal opinion though....

I would think you could reach out to pacificusa and they'd be able to make it right, or better explain.

My to 252 LT's both weigh identical to each other, both static and swingweight.
 

zalive

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I'm not trying to defend a manufacturer, as I have no game in the fight. Just was saying that those frames I mentioned all "should" be zero tolerance" according to the manufacturer adverstising. Not sure if the paper or placeholder that comes with them are published correctly or not. Just saying that if you had 2 of them, they should all be, very, very close.

Wasn't trying to pick a fight:)

Would think it would about near impossible to offer that guarantee with frames coming out of China. That's just my personal opinion though....

I would think you could reach out to pacificusa and they'd be able to make it right, or better explain.

My to 252 LT's both weigh identical to each other, both static and swingweight.
Don't worry, I never understood you were trying to pick a fight :) however now I do understand you better now.
Just one question: did you get your Lt's strung or unstrung? Also, which line of Lt's was it and what was the year of their make (or year when you bought them)?

The thing was that I was surprised, I didn't expect this. Because from my so far experience with last 8 frames I got new from different manufacturers (3 PK's, 2 Wilsons, 2 Volkls, 1 Mantis), and none of them was off by more than 5 g. I know that this may be coincidence as they all may have a bigger tolerance than this (for Wilson it's certainly so) yet it strangely happened that Pacific I got was no better than any other when it comes to tolerance. I wouldn't mind if it was, say 2 grams off, it would still fit in my picture of tight tolerance standards.

But the idea that Pacific uses real zero tolerance on perhaps couple of their frames (and they are the ones who claim this on their sheet, at least when it comes to the latest XForce line), while they leave through their marketing the impression that this is standard for all their production, well...I'm aware it's not easy at all to produce even some realistic tolerance like couple of grams or swing weight units, but then, if you're in trouble getting this, you don't advertise it as well, right?

And if you put your effort to deliver real zero tolerance only on some models, then be open and state publically which ones, on your web site, not hidden on some printed product paper sheet.

I'd more appreciate some realistic tolerance declaration for a certain racquet.
 
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FischerFan

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Don't worry, I never understood you were trying to pick a fight :) however now I do understand you better now.
Just one question: did you get your Lt's strung or unstrung? Also, which line of Lt's was it and what was the year of their make (or year when you bought them)?


The thing was that I was surprised, I didn't expect this. Because from my so far experience with last 8 frames I got new from different manufacturers (3 PK's, 2 Wilsons, 2 Volkls, 1 Mantis), and none of them was off by more than 5 g. I know that this may be coincidence as they all may have a bigger tolerance than this (for Wilson it's certainly so) yet it strangely happened that Pacific I got was no better than any other when it comes to tolerance. I wouldn't mind if it was, say 2 grams off, it would still fit in my picture of tight tolerance standards.

But the idea that Pacific uses real zero tolerance on perhaps couple of their frames (and they are the ones who claim this on their sheet, at least when it comes to the latest XForce line), while they leave through their marketing the impression that this is standard for all their production, well...I'm aware it's not easy at all to produce even some realistic tolerance like couple of grams or swing weight units, but then, if you're in trouble getting this, you don't advertise it as well, right?

And if you put your effort to deliver real zero tolerance only on some models, then be open and state publically which ones, on your web site, not hidden on some printed product paper sheet.

I'd more appreciate some realistic tolerance declaration for a certain racquet.

The two I tested were unstrung. It's the current Xforce Lite No.1 as shown: http://pacific.com/products/tennis/rackets/tournament/

That's the one thing that you aren't correct on that I see.
They did state on the site which models have it and which don't. Drill down on each frame on the pacific.com website. It's easy to see which ones have it and which don't.

As far as the guarantee, that would be a pacific question. I'm sure if you have two that are way out of spec, they'll entertain matching those. I would almost think there has to be some tolerance though and it would be near impossible to be exact on everything. Not sure
 

zalive

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The two I tested were unstrung. It's the current Xforce Lite No.1 as shown: http://pacific.com/products/tennis/rackets/tournament/

That's the one thing that you aren't correct on that I see.
They did state on the site which models have it and which don't. Drill down on each frame on the pacific.com website. It's easy to see which ones have it and which don't.

As far as the guarantee, that would be a pacific question. I'm sure if you have two that are way out of spec, they'll entertain matching those. I would almost think there has to be some tolerance though and it would be near impossible to be exact on everything. Not sure
You're right. I didn't pay attention enough, they specify zero tolerance as technology with each frame. Yet they specify it with each XForce on tournament section. So it should be included. But then I don't understand what's written on printed product sheet. I should take a pic when I have an opportunity.

So, as my lite was prestrung, there's a possibility Pacific gets their off specs frames strung.

Anyway I could pop a question to Pacific just to hear from them what they say. I don't want to replace it, I'm ok with specs, just would like to hear explanation.
 
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Automatix

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Not according to Pacific rep
0:45 - 0:55
Sadly the data I posted is also from Pacific, but I'm not surprised they state different things here & there. While I love Isospeed they gave different info about the amount of polyester in their string "Cream".
Getting their story straight is something tennis companies seem to have a problem with.

As for Pacific "Zero Tolerance": https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/pacific-no-tolerance-fischer-no-tolerance.454535/

Sadly enough, both of my Pacific frames were off spec by more then tolerances mentioned above.
 

zalive

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Lol Automatix...first I thought you were joking... :)

Just to add, together with +/- 3 gr and 2 mm probably goes +/- 5 SW as well, as a consequence.
And if yours were off by more, I must sadly conclude that 'Zero tolerance' is just a marketing BS.

By the way I got mine strung with poly and I can feel/hear subtle vibration lasting even with all the lead added to the hoop and their X dampener. Nothing feeling harsh, but otherwise modern type layup being there in all its glory. D*mn me if I don't like PK layup on their 69 RA Destiny FCS better. However I'll see at the court.

Also, from what I can tell from the bounce and few hits against the wall, my fear of too little power was just panicking. I added over +50 SW and strung it with soft poly at 23/23 kg (YPTP/Cream hybrid) and with this it will likely have too much power. Should have strung it to 24/24 kg. Now, is really BXT Lite stiffer in the hoop to provide some more power? Could be. I've no reference here to tell.
 

dgoran

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Sadly the data I posted is also from Pacific, but I'm not surprised they state different things here & there. While I love Isospeed they gave different info about the amount of polyester in their string "Cream".
Getting their story straight is something tennis companies seem to have a problem with.

As for Pacific "Zero Tolerance": https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/pacific-no-tolerance-fischer-no-tolerance.454535/

Sadly enough, both of my Pacific frames were off spec by more then tolerances mentioned above.
Yup my experience as well...
 

kailash

Professional
Sadly the data I posted is also from Pacific, but I'm not surprised they state different things here & there. While I love Isospeed they gave different info about the amount of polyester in their string "Cream".
Getting their story straight is something tennis companies seem to have a problem with.

As for Pacific "Zero Tolerance": https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/pacific-no-tolerance-fischer-no-tolerance.454535/

Sadly enough, both of my Pacific frames were off spec by more then tolerances mentioned above.
Got three Pro No 1 252 rackets recently and those were all almost identical; off by 1 gram between the three. Son was supposed to play with those, but the handle grip shape was not working out for him. So, all three are with me now :)
 

dgoran

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Got three Pro No 1 252 rackets recently and those were all almost identical; off by 1 gram between the three. Son was supposed to play with those, but the handle grip shape was not working out for him. So, all three are with me now :)
Nice mine were off but i matched them.

Did you modify yours or playing them stock

What strings are you using?
 

kailash

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Sounds like you consider the Blade, 252 and DR98 as all very good? I appreciate you describing each individually, but how do they stack up against one another? In what ways do each outshine one another? I've hit the Blade and DR98, and am curious how the 252 stacks up as regards power, spin, control, serve, volleys, groundies (that seems like a long list but you know what i mean!). Likewise against the X Force Pro 98 if you've played that. Any thoughts?
Did not see a response for this from dgoran. Here is my experience with those mentioned:

I also consider those racquets as good ones; my stack order: 252, DR 98 & Blade.

Pacific Pro No 1 252: Currently my main racquet. Amazing feel and control! Very stable. Though, bit low powered. Very good for groundies and volleys. When I am on, serving with this rocks!! This racquet is right up with my all time favorite, Prestige Mid! After trying may be close to 50 frames, my racquet search seems to be over now. I was planning to demo Angell frames, but do not have any urge now. I am slowly turning into stringoholic from racquetoholic after the arrival of 252 :)

DR 98: Played one season with this as the main racquet and sold it afterwards. This was second in the list of three I tried at that time: PAT, DR 98 & Textreme 100P. DR 98 has good control, relatively in the middle of the road in power and low on the feel side compared to Blade and 252. I was very consistent, but somehow I could not finish off points with this compared to 252 and PAT. With PAT, using the power/spin and with 252, using the control.

Blade: Next to Pro Staff (90 & 95 releases), Blade line is my favorite Wilson racquets. Out of the Blades, I really like the Blade 104; it is light and will require some customization for me. Demoed Blade 98 few times, but didn't gel well with it because of the weight balance.

Tour G 310: I am adding to the list here; everything is good about this except the throat heaviness that others have mentioned. And, it is really good for one handed backhand!

I have around 20+ frames and currently in my bag are, 252 & Pro Kennex Q5; Tour G 310 has taken a back seat. Sold off my PAT and DR 98 racquets; planning to sell most of the other racquets.
 
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kailash

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Nice mine were off but i matched them.

Did you modify yours or playing them stock

What strings are you using?
Playing stock; just with an overgrip and dampener.

Strings: still in experimental stage. Son's coach had Lux Element full bed in it and I really liked that one. Currently have one with Pacific XCite/Gosen OGSM hybrid and another with Volkl V-Pro full bed; former is playing good, but not as good as Element full bed. Not liking the V-Pro that much. Planning to try Hyper-G full bed next as one of the coaches was praising that string.
 
kailash, interesting take on the frame, thanks. For those that can recall, the Fischer Vacuum Pro 98 (former/original 252) used to have 3 different weight options I believe UL, SL and L? Anyhow, mine, both the 1994 (blue, purple, silver) and the 1996 (dark red, bronze) were 320g unstrung. But I could've gone for the 330 (or was it 335g). What great sticks! I should try the current 252 pro one offer. The grip shape seems much better than back then.
 

dgoran

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Did not see a response for this from dgoran. Here is my experience with those mentioned:

I also consider those racquets as good ones; my stack order: 252, DR 98 & Blade.

Pacific Pro No 1 252: Currently my main racquet. Amazing feel and control! Very stable. Though, bit low powered. Very good for groundies and volleys. When I am on, serving with this rocks!! This racquet is right up with my all time favorite, Prestige Mid! After trying may be close to 50 frames, my racquet search seems to be over now. I was planning to demo Angell frames, but do not have any urge now. I am slowly turning into stringoholic from racquetoholic after the arrival of 252 :)

DR 98: Played one season with this as the main racquet and sold it afterwards. This was second in the list of three I tried at that time: PAT, DR 98 & Textreme 100P. DR 98 has good control, relatively in the middle of the road in power and low on the feel side compared to Blade and 252. I was very consistent, but somehow I could not finish off points with this compared to 252 and PAT. With PAT, using the power/spin and with 252, using the control.

Blade: Next to Pro Staff (90 & 95 releases), Blade line is my favorite Wilson racquets. Out of the Blades, I really like the Blade 104; it is light and will require some customization for me. Demoed Blade 98 few times, but didn't gel well with it because of the weight balance.

Tour G 310: I am adding to the list here; everything is good about this except the throat heaviness that others have mentioned. And, it is really good for one handed backhand!

I have around 20+ frames and currently in my bag are, 252 & Pro Kennex Q5; Tour G 310 has taken a back seat. Sold off my PAT and DR 98 racquets; planning to sell most of the other racquets.
Sorry I forgot to reply to that user in this thread. Completely escaped my mind.

I agree with your assessmet the only difference for me is that dr98 ad 252 are tied for me. Almost depending if you like buttery soft feel or little crispier. Dr98 being crispier and 252 buttery.

Thing about 252 is that really responds to modifications like no other racquet I tried. It changes characteristics drastically depending on lead placement. I mean all racquets do but this one almost becomes a different racquet.

1) I tried lead at noon
2) lead at noon plus lead in the bottom of the handle
3) lead only in the handle
4) lead at noon plus lead on top of the handle

Each time felt very different

All in all 252 has the best feel of any frames I tried and that includes pro tour 630.
Trick is to find your setup. Its like a pro stock, blank slate just need to find your setup and will get rewarded with amazing racquet.
 
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zalive

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Played today a doubles set with custom BXT 252 lite, and I have to admit it's an interesting stick :)

It turns out I actually got the string job right, there was no too much power for me. Could use a bit more at 3+9 o'clock next time for some added twist stability but it was actually ok even this way. I can feel the flex with this one, it actually feels unlike with some other sticks that have similar flex on paper, but at the court...I actually enjoyed the session :) plushness was there, too.

Of course, if it wasn't as heavily customized it wouldn't be for me, I'm no up to such a stick otherwise.

For interested I'll explain what I added:

- first layer of long strips from 9 to 3 o'clock
- additional layer of long strips from 10 to 2 o'clock
- third layer at 12 o'clock (6'' = 3 gr)
- additional 3 grams at 3+9 o'clock
- 4 gram original dampener
- 14 g at 7''
- additional 12 g at the butt

All together, 22 grams added to the hoop (plus 4 g dampener) and 26 grams added to the handle (plus overgrip 6 g). But since stock SW is speced at 386, it's still probably around 345 and no more than 350 (actually this is my range).

I think I'll add 2 g more at 3+9 o'clock to improve twist stability a bit further (I like it high).
 
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dgoran

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I'm am just serving now waiting for my opponent to sow up and tc95 vs 252 and it's about tied for serves with comfort going slightly to 252. People do t understand how plush this stick plays...

I hit with lite version before and I though it was great even Stock..
Such a unique frame it's calling me to use it
 

kailash

Professional
kailash, interesting take on the frame, thanks. For those that can recall, the Fischer Vacuum Pro 98 (former/original 252) used to have 3 different weight options I believe UL, SL and L? Anyhow, mine, both the 1994 (blue, purple, silver) and the 1996 (dark red, bronze) were 320g unstrung. But I could've gone for the 330 (or was it 335g). What great sticks! I should try the current 252 pro one offer. The grip shape seems much better than back then.
Thanks for the info; I have no experience with the Fisher racquets. There is also a light version now, but it is too light. The regular one is also on the lighter side compared to earlier versions; mine are between 11.6 and 11.9 oz strung (based on the string gauge) with overgrip and dampener. Not added any weight yet as the stock itself is playing better.

One of the best racquets, and very underrated IMO. I tried so many new racquets including the hyped Pure Strike 98, new Head Speeds, Wilsons etc and none are better than Pro No 1. I do not understand how 252 got such a low TW score compared to others; maybe modern players are so used to the tweener types that offer easy power and spin or maybe testers used strings at high tensions. This should have easily gotten close to or above 90!
 

dgoran

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Thanks for the info; I have no experience with the Fisher racquets. There is also a light version now, but it is too light. The regular one is also on the lighter side compared to earlier versions; mine are between 11.6 and 11.9 oz strung (based on the string gauge) with overgrip and dampener. Not added any weight yet as the stock itself is playing better.

One of the best racquets, and very underrated IMO. I tried so many new racquets including the hyped Pure Strike 98, new Head Speeds, Wilsons etc and none are better than Pro No 1. I do not understand how 252 got such a low TW score compared to others; maybe modern players are so used to the tweener types that offer easy power and spin or maybe testers used strings at high tensions. This should have easily gotten close to or above 90!
I think you are correct regarding modern sticks and playtesters. Btw I think they were fair actually because it does have a small but sweet, sweet spot that for me it's 10x harder to use than say dr98.

Also center of percussion in lower in the stringbed so without some lead at 12 it was not playable for me. It boils down to if you want feel and have fun playing stick with that racquet but if you don't want to win pelintre probably 10x easier I would say dr98 is a better option. Just depends how competitive you want to be with your tennis.

Just because of that I don't use it on a regular basis because it's harder to use but I can't bring myself to sell it
 

kailash

Professional
I think you are correct regarding modern sticks and playtesters. Btw I think they were fair actually because it does have a small but sweet, sweet spot that for me it's 10x harder to use than say dr98.

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That is strange; you are mentioning about the old Fischer racquets or the new Pro No 1 252? I played with DR98 as main stick for a while and currently 252 is my main stick and did not experience any difference in playability. In fact, I took more time to settle into DR98 because of the head shape; plus had some wrist pain with it for sometime; settling into 252 was almost instant!
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
That is strange; you are mentioning about the old Fischer racquets or the new Pro No 1 252? I played with DR98 as main stick for a while and currently 252 is my main stick and did not experience any difference in playability. In fact, I took more time to settle into DR98 because of the head shape; plus had some wrist pain with it for sometime; settling into 252 was almost instant!
Taking about 252, but that's what I'm trying to say that you are probably more old school player so 252 is better suited for you vs probably myself and playtesters. I also feel that there is hughe power difference between dr98 and 252
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
One of the best racquets, and very underrated IMO. I tried so many new racquets including the hyped Pure Strike 98, new Head Speeds, Wilsons etc and none are better than Pro No 1. I do not understand how 252 got such a low TW score compared to others; maybe modern players are so used to the tweener types that offer easy power and spin or maybe testers used strings at high tensions. This should have easily gotten close to or above 90!
It's probably about a small sweet spot and stock racquet's power mostly. But when you look at the scores they given only, nothing will actually tell you there's something good with this racquet going on. Such scores are typically given to racquets that cannot go in the same sentence with "252".

However there's no small sweet spot on my custom setup. All I notice is different response when hitting spot gets off center. It's not a dead response, it's more muted and with bit less power compared to some racquet with a stiff hoop. Because just as I thought, SW works, so does making sweet spot bigger by adding lead all the way from 9 to 3 o'clock. It may feel different because of flexier hoop but works nevertheless. I can certainly recommend leading up lite version good, though it seems you guys don't need much racquet power like me lol.

It was interesting to me to compare two pretty different frames like Destiny FCS and "252". Of course "252" is plusher, but not that custom Destiny doesn't have it's plushness when polarized with lead and silicone. "252" offers flexy classic plushness, Destiny gives solid kind of plushness with ball staying shorter on the stringbed. But it's the string bed that rounded the story. On both racquets I put Yonex PTP/Cream hybrid, on Destiny it's 23/24 kg and on "252" it's at 23/23 kg. I can recommend this hybrid because compared to full bed of Yonex it will give more elasticity (and hence be even easier on the arm) thanks to Cream's elasticity so it actually feel is softer than full bed of Yonex. Also it gives a bit more spin thanks to Cream's slickness - cost is a bit higher launch angle.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
Just because of that I don't use it on a regular basis because it's harder to use but I can't bring myself to sell it
Then increase its sweet spot by customizing it.
I'm not a guy for demanding racquets - if I can play with custom "252" setup with no problem, it obviously worked.
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
I did...I could not play it Stock...
I went with Baghdatis setup and it plays awesome but you lose maneuverability and serving was much harder than say stock dr98 (I prefer head lights for serving)

Went with kafelnikof setup for a while too and it was lacking plow of baggy setup.

Than went with sort of combo setup where it was about 353g 32cm bal and it was good almost perfect but it's too demanding I the long run.
Yesterday I hit with tc95 and 252 and finish the match with dr98
Tc95 I won 6-2
Second set I started with tc95 switched to 252 both heavy around 350gr frames and I was toast...frames just tired me out I almost lost 6-0 but eventually lost second 6-2

I switched to dr98 in the 3rd I almost golden setted the guy 6-0.

If your body can stand newer racquets by my estimates I play with 40% less effort. Sure tc95 feel awesome but stats don't lie.

Tc95 did play softer than modified 252 btw but by a hair
 
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kailash

Professional
... I can certainly recommend leading up lite version good, though it seems you guys don't need much racquet power like me lol.

It was interesting to me to compare two pretty different frames like Destiny FCS and "252". Of course "252" is plusher, but not that custom Destiny doesn't have it's plushness when polarized with lead and silicone. "252" offers flexy classic plushness, Destiny gives solid kind of plushness with ball staying shorter on the stringbed. But it's the string bed that rounded the story. On both racquets I put Yonex PTP/Cream hybrid, on Destiny it's 23/24 kg and on "252" it's at 23/23 kg. I can recommend this hybrid because compared to full bed of Yonex it will give more elasticity (and hence be even easier on the arm) thanks to Cream's elasticity so it actually feel is softer than full bed of Yonex. Also it gives a bit more spin thanks to Cream's slickness - cost is a bit higher launch angle.
I have not customized 252 yet as the stock itself is playing good so far. I used to play with 360g+ racquets, but not anymore as the clock is only moving forward :)

Have you tried Cream string in full bed? That string is intriguing because of its low stiffness rating.
 
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