Pam Shriver needs to be fired

JCo872

Professional
Pam Shriver needs to go. She tricked Melanie into an interview on the court after losing and she made her poor nine year old sister spell "believe" before the match. She just needs to be fired - I'm sick of her.
 

AndyL

New User
I was searching for a Pam Shriver sucks thread just because of this past Oudin interview. Shriver is awful and has poor decorum and lacks professionalism. The crowd even booed her because she was disrepectful of Wickmayer when she was interviewing Wozniacki. Shriver stinks. It pains me to say she may be actually worse than Dick Enberg and Bud Collins.
 

The_Question

Hall of Fame
You people need some chill pills...Pam Shriver got 2 threads in less than 10mins? This must be a record in here...


*Edit* Make that 3 threads.
 

leonidas1982

Hall of Fame
Another tacky cringe-inducing moment for the US Open. I shudder to think what will happen at the trophy presentations. Can we please bring some prestige back to the slams--particularly the Big-mac slam? What is the need for on-court interviews anyhow? Isn't the post-match interview with the press enough?
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
Sometimes I think ESPN doesn't have an actual television producer producing the telecast. It's as if they just send out the camera people and the commentators, and the commentators are just free to do whatever the want.

Sometimes it's fun, sometimes the result is just odd.

Pam never has any self-editing ability. She just says what she feels. As I wrote in a previous thread, sometimes it can be illuminating, often it's a disaster. It's always entertaining one way or the other.
 
How did she trick Melanie? That stupid sister should be able to spell believe. She's too old to spell so poorly, plus it's written on her damn shirt.

People need to grow up. Do you think Pam Shriver is just improvising out there? She has a mic in her ear and producers tell her what to do.
 

JCo872

Professional
How did she trick Melanie? That stupid sister should be able to spell believe. She's too old to spell so poorly, plus it's written on her damn shirt.

People need to grow up. Do you think Pam Shriver is just improvising out there? She has a mic in her ear and producers tell her what to do.
You could hear Melanie in the background say "you mean right now??" She was tricked. As for the believe spelling question - what was the point in asking her that??

And then Pam has to relate how she was in the same position as Melanie when she played Evert, but she did a lot better in the beginning. Fine. Except that these girls are hitting the ball 10 times harder than you ever did. It's a little different out there Pammy.
 

woody88

Rookie
How did she trick Melanie? That stupid sister should be able to spell believe. She's too old to spell so poorly, plus it's written on her damn shirt.

People need to grow up. Do you think Pam Shriver is just improvising out there? She has a mic in her ear and producers tell her what to do.
she may have a mic, and the questions may be scripted. but I am sure that the producers did not tell Pam to say it in such a ******bag tone. that part is all pam there.
 
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bhallic24

Guest
calm down girly girls. so what if pam decided to interview Oudin after a loss. Big deal. Every other sport has the loser go and do a press conference afterwards. Its called sportsmanship. U win with grace and u lose with grace.

But the way she said Wickmayers name or whoever she was was hilarious! LMFAO! There was such emphasis and disgust and condescending tone in her voice. Lol even Wozniaki had to stop for a minute and be like "woah, I better not venture down that same path."

HAHA Pam what a classic.
 
She gave Oudin a chance to thank the fans who supported her and kidded around with her sister. Not exactly a horrible offense in my book.
 

ratm355

Rookie
I was searching for a Pam Shriver sucks thread just because of this past Oudin interview. Shriver is awful and has poor decorum and lacks professionalism. The crowd even booed her because she was disrepectful of Wickmayer when she was interviewing Wozniacki. Shriver stinks. It pains me to say she may be actually worse than Dick Enberg and Bud Collins.
Hey, lets not get out of line now. NOBODY is worse than Dick Enberg. Bud Collins...that is one is debatable.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Hey, lets not get out of line now. NOBODY is worse than Dick Enberg. Bud Collins...that is one is debatable.
Enberg is boring and doesn't know tennis. Bud has gotten old and can't really think fast enough on his feet for live TV. But neither is petty, arrogant and spiteful like Big Bird.

We should all at least email ESPN - not that I think it will matter... if a white male did it he'd be gone... Pam has nothing to worry about.
 

Bhagi Katbamna

Hall of Fame
Well, they keep her because there's always one person in the organization whose job it is to make everyone else look good.
 
You could hear Pam's mic when she approached Oudin about an interview, paraphrasing it was: "Let's do an interview.. I think they would really like to hear from you." It was a polite and warranted request given her "hype". Oudin kept saying "right now? you mean right now?" (duh??) If you don't want to do the interview don't do it, grab your bag and get off the court, it's not an obligation, it was Oudin's choice to do it, yes or no (see when Rafa lost FO09, leaving the court people were asking him for interviews he waved no and walked away). There was no "trick", Melanie was requested an interview and went with it. She didn't have the confidence to deny the media; she should have had coaching and thought about this beforehand, being the hype she is expect an immediate post-match loss interview when it happens. Nor was the interview entirely Pam's choice to request the interview, see: producers, so whatever you think about Pam it's not her choice.
 

scootad.

Semi-Pro
C'mon she's hilarious! Look how much excitment she's caused on the board.

I thought the im promptu spelling bee was pretty funny! She was light hearted about it.

The facial expression and tone she used when saying Wickmeyer came off as inappropriate but I think she was merely intending to emphasize that Woz would be the favorite in her next match being that her next opponent was unheralded.
 

Aonex

Semi-Pro
I'm pretty sure the Wickmeyer comment wasn't aimed at Wickmeyer at all but a reminder to the audience that Woz was in fact the higher ranked player and was the favorite to win against Oudin. No big deal I guess, I'm sure she was disappointed that Oudin was eliminated.
 

scootad.

Semi-Pro
A funny quote I saw on another thread... "I think ESPN should put a bag over Shrivers head and make her spell unemployment!"

Again, a bit of an overreation methinks.
 
Who needs to be fired is Oudin's coach!! Did you see the interview in the first (or was it second set? it went by so fast!), Pam asked him for his thoughts on the game and he basically had ZERO confidence in her, said she's rattled, talked about the run she's had, as though "this" is the end of the road (when there was still a real chance at coming back in the game). With the money she now has, she should can that guy and get someone behind her, someone who doesn't think the ship is sinking when you see one leak. I would be extremely offended to watch the match back and hear my coach talk like that.

Oh, and isn't it ironic his shirt said "Beleive".... or is it i-before-e? Doh! I can't spell it!!! :)
 

Joshisgruven

New User
Two things:

Pam Shriver - you know, the real thing isn't about how crappy an "analyst" she is, it is more of how inappropriate she was after the Oudin/Wozniacki match. It was entirely classless to mock/dismiss Wickmayer as the upcoming opponent, especially given her admission to not knowing her a few days prior. Let the Tennis player judge her, don't show your own bias. The crowd and Wozniacki were both right to be surprised and boo.

2. Before the Wozniacki interview, the impromptu interview with Oudin was borderline at best. Yeah, you could hear her trying to convince Oudin to say a few words. I don't have a problem with trying to get her to say a thank you to her new fans. However, and Shriver should know this being a world class player herself, Oudin is 17, on the biggest stage in the world for the first time and just lost a match MINUTES ago where she was frustrated from the start. How about a little respect for a young girl seemingly overwhelmed by things. If it was Shrivers own teenage daughter, she would want people to back off for at LEAST a few minutes. producers or not, Shriver could have much better tact than to hijack the poor girl. At the least give her time to compose herself rather than pressure her into an interview even as she could be seen with tears swelling. Thats why there is a post-game press conference!!

Course neither of these warrant firings... but lost in this is clearly the old myth of "Treat yourself as you wish to be treated." A little consideration for others goes a long way.
 

john5527

Semi-Pro
Pam Shriver can be a moron at times, but people like a smart*** sometimes. Of course, she probably knows the crowd is going to pick up on it. Great for ratings and gives people something to talk about. No?
 

norbac

Legend
calm down girly girls. so what if pam decided to interview Oudin after a loss. Big deal. Every other sport has the loser go and do a press conference afterwards. Its called sportsmanship. U win with grace and u lose with grace.

But the way she said Wickmayers name or whoever she was was hilarious! LMFAO! There was such emphasis and disgust and condescending tone in her voice. Lol even Wozniaki had to stop for a minute and be like "woah, I better not venture down that same path."

HAHA Pam what a classic.
Pam Shriver...is that you?
 
Who needs to be fired is Oudin's coach!! Did you see the interview in the first (or was it second set? it went by so fast!), Pam asked him for his thoughts on the game and he basically had ZERO confidence in her, said she's rattled, talked about the run she's had, as though "this" is the end of the road (when there was still a real chance at coming back in the game). With the money she now has, she should can that guy and get someone behind her, someone who doesn't think the ship is sinking when you see one leak. I would be extremely offended to watch the match back and hear my coach talk like that.
And apparently he's responsible for the break-up of her parents:

http://msn.foxsports.com/tennis/story/10048698/Report:-Oudin-divorce-filing-alleges-coach-affair

Gotta love tennis, so many creepy dynamics at play(funny that the Dad is ok that he stays on as her coach after all this...)

maybe melanie will be calling her coach 'Dad' sometime soon.


Before the Wozniacki interview, the impromptu interview with Oudin was borderline at best. Yeah, you could hear her trying to convince Oudin to say a few words. I don't have a problem with trying to get her to say a thank you to her new fans. However, and Shriver should know this being a world class player herself, Oudin is 17, on the biggest stage in the world for the first time and just lost a match MINUTES ago where she was frustrated from the start. How about a little respect for a young girl seemingly overwhelmed by things. If it was Shrivers own teenage daughter, she would want people to back off for at LEAST a few minutes. producers or not, Shriver could have much better tact than to hijack the poor girl. At the least give her time to compose herself rather than pressure her into an interview even as she could be seen with tears swelling. Thats why there is a post-game press conference!

I backed up my dvr a few times - some of the things Pam was saying to coax her to give an interview were amusing: "right now this moment is very important for you, etc" How melodramatic.

I think if someone tried to get an oncourt interview with Shriver after a loss when she was on tour, she would have told them to insert the microphone where the sun don't shine.

Its funny to me to see all these players that were so grumpy when they played(Gilbert, Mac, Shriver) giving pointers on how players today should handle all this stuff.
 
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woodrow1029

Guest
I was searching for a Pam Shriver sucks thread just because of this past Oudin interview. Shriver is awful and has poor decorum and lacks professionalism. The crowd even booed her because she was disrepectful of Wickmayer when she was interviewing Wozniacki. Shriver stinks. It pains me to say she may be actually worse than Dick Enberg and Bud Collins.
First of all, Pam Shriver would have been instructed by the Producer/Director to try to interview Melanie. Secondly, I am pretty sure the crowd was booing because of the reputation that Wickmayer has.
 

selesian

Rookie
Talk about an overreaction!

Pam has a very dry sense of humor which people mistake for rudeness. I actually find her quite funny.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
Talk about an overreaction!

Pam has a very dry sense of humor which people mistake for rudeness. I actually find her quite funny.
I agree, she's wacky, brutally honest, and entertaining (in good and bad ways). But, her Wickmayer comment, no matter her intent, came off terribly.

I don't think she should be fired, but she should apologize privately to Wickmayer and explain herself.
 

Mad dog

New User

quest01

Hall of Fame
She gave Oudin a chance to thank the fans who supported her and kidded around with her sister. Not exactly a horrible offense in my book.
Exactly thats the point of view I had in mind that Pam wasn't being offensive in any way shape or form. She gave Oudin an opportunity to thank the fans and actually Oudin denied the interview at the start before Pam persuaded her to do so. Also Pam was just giving the little sister a spelling bee contest and she failed miserably.
 

corno

New User
My favourite comment from her so far this tournament was during Serena Williams match a couple of days ago..

"when she makes this many winners and this few unforced errors she's virtually unbeatable"

Particularly insightful that one. Even my girlfriend who is starting to get in to watching tennis turned to me and said "errr....no s**t..!"
 

NewGuy

Rookie
The Oudin personal info is unfortunate, other than sensational interest, not sure that piece of her and her family's private life really has a place in the public. On Shriver (or at least I think that was her as I was flipping between USOPEN.org and ESPN360 coverage), what made me cringe most was last night's stadium seat interview of Alec Baldwin during a critical game in Oudin's second set -- I simply couldn't believe it.
 

NewGuy

Rookie
What makes this even more unfortunate is that the mother realized something was about to happen and had the records sealed, but not before SI had already viewed them and went with the story.

As Melanie's rise to fame brought attention to the family, Oudin's mother, Leslie, apparently sensed that their divorce records might go public. Newsday has learned she filed a motion with the Cobb County (Ga.) Superior Court two days ago asking that all documents be sealed from the public's view.

She cited "embarrassment," a spokesman for the court clerk told Newsday Thursday morning, and the judge granted the motion.

However, it was too late, as reporters from Sports Illustrated already had seen the public records, which were available on Cobb County (Ga.) Superior Court web site. That is, until Judge Robert E. Flournoy, III ordered the records sealed on Wednesday as Leslie's request.

What can be viewed right now is simply that Melanie's father, John, filed for divorce from his wife, Leslie, on July 24, 2008.
 
Wow..this is pretty crazy...guess tennis is always put first in this family...(& I'm guessing Melanie had a say in whether or not to keep him as her coach)


In a sworn statement made on Aug. 10, 2009, John Oudin specifically alleges his wife had been unfaithful with Melanie's coach, Brian de Villiers. "I didn't initial [sic] take any action regarding my early suspicions because I didn't want to believe my wife was having an affair with my daughter's tennis coach ... On December 29, 2007, I confronted my wife about whether she was having an affair with Brian de Villiers. I confronted Brian de Villiers separately. My wife and Brian de Villiers both admitted to me they were having an affair."

John Oudin also states in the affidavit that Melanie suspected the alleged affair. "Both [Melanie and her twin sister, Katherine] asked me point blank if I thought Mom was having an affair with Brian. When I asked why they had suspicions, Melanie told on one occasion she woke up at 1:00 a.m. in her hotel room and Leslie was not there. She called Brian's cell phone and connected with her."

In a temporary order dated Dec. 16, 2008, John and Leslie Oudin agreed to several conditions, including a stipulation "that [Leslie] will not interact with Brian de Villiers except as it specifically relates to the children's tennis activities ... [and] not to travel with Brian de Villiers to any tennis tournaments in which the children are participating."

Leslie Oudin has accompanied Melanie Oudin for her entire U.S. Open run. After Oudin's third-round victory over former No. 1 Maria Sharapova on Saturday, John Oudin traveled to New York for Melanie's fourth-round match against Nadia Petrova. He sat with the family in the players' box for the entire match, albeit a row up from his wife.

De Villiers, 51, has been coaching for more than 30 years and is a well-regarded developmental instructor. He was recently named United States Olympic Committee Developmental Coach of the Year. He counts Luke and Murphy Jensen as former clients. De Villiers has coached Oudin since she was 9.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/tennis/09/09/oudin.family/index.html
 

hyogen

Hall of Fame
The Oudin personal info is unfortunate, other than sensational interest, not sure that piece of her and her family's private life really has a place in the public. On Shriver (or at least I think that was her as I was flipping between USOPEN.org and ESPN360 coverage), what made me cringe most was last night's stadium seat interview of Alec Baldwin during a critical game in Oudin's second set -- I simply couldn't believe it.
i think i saw that. what did she say that was so bad while talking to alec baldwin?
 

NewGuy

Rookie
i think i saw that. what did she say that was so bad while talking to alec baldwin?
First it was the timing of the interview -- those watching really wanted to focus on the match, not hear from a random actor in the crowd. Second, she drew out some drivel from him on how the loser would take something from the experience, as if an actor, and I have nothing against the profession, or this actor in particular, has some noteworthy athletic insight. I even think he asked her something about playing at night and why it might be different. She said the focus was on the stadium court because simultaneous matches weren't being played on the outside courts. IMHO, the whole exchange felt forced, was completely out of place, and distracted from the contest, of which at the time I was sort of interested in watching. . .. :shock:
 
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woodrow1029

Guest
Well, she has already been defaulted once this year for hitting a line umpire in the face with a ball in Florida. She is known for having bad conduct issues on court.
 
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