Pancho Gonzalez career stats

It was in Palm Springs, see the top of my '71 post:
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...lez-career-stats.563013/page-10#post-10913701


Yes he won all 4 tournaments. Abidjan '67, we have only one result, a win over Gimeno 2-6, 8-6, 6-3. I found a Dutch report indicating that this match was a final of a tournament, so we're still missing the semifinal result.

So krosero, to the 200 indicated by Wikipedia also must be added Abidjan 1967, Prague 1965, Belfast 1966 and Solihull 1966 and Baton Rouge 1971 so as to become 205.
- (also) Sydney 1956 and (also) Poertschach 1961 = 203.

... tournaments in Italy in the years 1965-66 (Catania or Rome seems to me)?
... Facis Trophy ? (What importance should we attach to the Facis Trophy? )
 
So krosero, to the 200 indicated by Wikipedia also must be added Abidjan 1967, Prague 1965, Belfast 1966 and Solihull 1966 and Baton Rouge 1971 so as to become 205.
- (also) Sydney 1956 and (also) Poertschach 1961 = 203.

... tournaments in Italy in the years 1965-66 (Catania or Rome seems to me)?
... Facis Trophy ? (What importance should we attach to the Facis Trophy? )
Apologies for the late reply, KG. I'll send you a PM, and maybe we can communicate by email which is easier for me to send you information in attachments (rather than typing everything up). Some Wiki pages have not been updated in a long time; Laver is up to 210 confirmed tournament wins and more will surely be found. I just have not kept tracked of what are the differences between particular Wiki pages and all the newest information. I update some rivalry pages on Wiki (Laver/Rosewall, Rosewall/Gonzalez, etc.) but for the most part I don't edit player biographies or career summaries on Wiki; I'm not sure who is doing those or if they will be ultimately updated with everything.
 
Apologies for the late reply, KG. I'll send you a PM, and maybe we can communicate by email which is easier for me to send you information in attachments (rather than typing everything up). Some Wiki pages have not been updated in a long time; Laver is up to 210 confirmed tournament wins and more will surely be found. I just have not kept tracked of what are the differences between particular Wiki pages and all the newest information. I update some rivalry pages on Wiki (Laver/Rosewall, Rosewall/Gonzalez, etc.) but for the most part I don't edit player biographies or career summaries on Wiki; I'm not sure who is doing those or if they will be ultimately updated with everything.
I have to make 2 clarifications:
1) Wikipedia is often denigrated but I think we should thank those who have over the years updated the tennis sites ... starting from ZERO (they only committed a serious mistake: the fake Masters 1000 pre 1990);
2) I would like to try to update Laver & Gonzalez titles. I objectively didn't know them and I can only try to order again the many information that you and others have been looking for over the past few years.

Thanks for everything.
 
GONZALEZ TITLES

Amateurs Era + Open Era

28 Wikipedia (17 Am. + 11 Open)
+ Coronado 1947
+ Seattle 1947
+ Seattle 1948
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31
 
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["krosero, post: 10867925, member: 14985"]Another report on the 1953 Cleveland final, from Chicago Daily Tribune (July 16):

Pancho Gonzales, four set conqueror of Don Budge in the finals of the recent world’s professional tennis tournament in Cleveland, declares that the 38 year old Budge should be ranked as the games’ greatest . . . . Gonzales is playing tennis better than ever, yet Budge blasted him around the court in the opening set before fatigue assisted Pancho’s cause . . . Jack Kramer and his troupe—Frank Sedgman, Pancho Segura, etc.—did not compete in Cleveland, and this prompts Gonzales to lash out at Kramer for being “selfish.” . . . Gonzales says that the absence of the Kramer pros kept the Cleveland tourney—and pro tennis—from gaining wide recognition . . . It need not be added that Gonzales, the onetime problem child of amateur tennis, would have liked a shot at Kramer, the world exhibition champ.​

[Dan Lobb]
In 1953, we have Cleveland referred to as "world" pro, not U.S. Pro.

And Gonzales complaining about its lack of status or recognition.
 
["krosero, post: 10867925, member: 14985"]Another report on the 1953 Cleveland final, from Chicago Daily Tribune (July 16):

Pancho Gonzales, four set conqueror of Don Budge in the finals of the recent world’s professional tennis tournament in Cleveland, declares that the 38 year old Budge should be ranked as the games’ greatest . . . . Gonzales is playing tennis better than ever, yet Budge blasted him around the court in the opening set before fatigue assisted Pancho’s cause . . . Jack Kramer and his troupe—Frank Sedgman, Pancho Segura, etc.—did not compete in Cleveland, and this prompts Gonzales to lash out at Kramer for being “selfish.” . . . Gonzales says that the absence of the Kramer pros kept the Cleveland tourney—and pro tennis—from gaining wide recognition . . . It need not be added that Gonzales, the onetime problem child of amateur tennis, would have liked a shot at Kramer, the world exhibition champ.​

[Dan Lobb]
In 1953, we have Cleveland referred to as "world" pro, not U.S. Pro.

And Gonzales complaining about its lack of status or recognition.
Funny, that Gonzales complains about Kramer and Segura's absence from Cleveland in 1953, although Gonzales himself decided to skip the 1951 Cleveland International Pro.
 
GONZALEZ TITLES

Amateurs Era + Pro Era + Open Era.
Wikipedia 112 (113 is wrong)
The following (16) titles must be added (as written by other posters over time)
+ Coronado 1947
+ Seattle 1947
+ Seattle 1948
+ Portland 1951
+ Salt Lake City 1951
+ Geneva 1952
+ Oostende 1952
+ Los Angeles 1952
+ Sydney 1956
+ Geneva 1956
+ Rome 1958
+ Vancouver 1959
+ Mexico City 1961
+ Orlando 1 1965
+ Orlando 2 1965

+ Atlanta 1966
 
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These titles (23) have to be removed because they are played inside a World Series.

- January 4 New York (M.S.G.) Pro (United States) Wood Pancho Segura 7–9 6–4 6–4
- January 12 Norfolk Pro Championships (United States) ? Pancho Segura 8–5 (pro set)
- January 13 Charlottesville Pro Championships (United States) ? Pancho Segura (2nd) 11–9 (pro set)
- January 15 New Haven Pro Championships (United States) ? Pancho Segura 9–7 (pro set)
- January 17 Buffalo Pro Championships (United States) ? Frank Sedgman 11–9 (pro set)
- January 19 Toronto Canadian Pro Championships (Canada) ? Pancho Segura 8–5 (pro set)
- January 25 Saint-Louis Pro Championships (United States) ? Frank Sedgman 10–8 (pro set)
- January 27 Cincinnati Pro Championships (United States) ? Pancho Segura 9–7 (pro set)
- January 30 White Plains Pro Championships (United States) ? Pancho Segura 8–2 (pro set)
- February 2 Rochester Pro Championships (United States) ? Pancho Segura 10–8 (pro set)
- February 3 Albany Pro Championships (United States) ? Pancho Segura 10–8 (pro set)
- February 4 Boston Pro Indoor Championships (United States) ? Pancho Segura 9–7 (pro set)
- February 8 Ottawa Pro Championships (Canada) ? Pancho Segura 8–6 (pro set)
- February 9 Ithaca Pro Championships (United States) ? Pancho Segura 8–4 (pro set)
- February 12 Fort Wayne Pro Championships (United States) ? Frank Sedgman 28–26 (pro set)
- February 14 Kansas Pro Championships (United States) ? Pancho Segura 8–4 (pro set)
- February 23 Sacramento Pro Championships (United States) ? Pancho Segura 8–4 (pro set)
- March 3 San Antonio Pro Championships (United States) ? Pancho Segura ?
- March 5 Dallas Pro Championships (United States) ? Pancho Segura 8–3 (pro set)
- March 20 New York Pro Championships (United States) ? Pancho Segura 8–5 (pro set)
- March 29 El Paso Pro Championships (United States) ? Pancho Segura 10–8 (pro set)
- April 4 Mexico Pro Championships (Mexico) ? Frank Sedgman 9–7 6–4
- April 7 Oklahoma City Pro Championships (United States) ? Pancho Segura 8–6 (pro set)
- May 25 Palo Alto Pro Championships (United States) ? Frank Sedgman 8–4 (pro set)
 
GONZALEZ TITLES

Amateurs Era + Pro Era + Open Era.
Wikipedia 112 (113 is wrong)
112 +15 - 24 = 103

+ Tours
 
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GONZALEZ TITLES

Amateurs Era + Pro Era + Open Era.
Wikipedia 112 (113 is wrong)
112 +15 - 24 = 103

+ Tours
10 Tours Wikipedia
+ European Tour 1956
10 +1 = 11

GONZALEZ TITLES

Amateurs Era + Pro Era + Open Era.
103 Titles
11 Tours
 
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Here is Krosero's post on the Kramer major tournaments:

This report gives a sense of the divisions on the old pro tour. It's from the World Tennis issue of November 1958:

The French newspaper “L’Equipe” has quoted Jack Kramer as saying that Cooper, Anderson and Rose will turn professional after the Challenge Round. When Jake was asked which of the many “World Professional Championships” he considered deserved the title, he replied “Forest Hills, Los Angeles, Melbourne and Sydney.” The four tournaments are under Kramer’s aegis. Among those not mentioned were Wembley, and Jack March’s World Pro event in Cleveland.​


So again we see that designations of what was a "championship tour," or "championship tournament," were issued by the particular individual or group that produced the event, and were not universally accepted designations.

Here is my reaction to Krosero's enormously important discovery:

This evaluation by Kramer of the major pro tournaments presumably applies to the very strong group of professionals and pro tournaments which he created for both the 1958 and 1959 seasons, so much so that even such established events as Wembley and Roland Garros were overshadowed by the big events which were proving so lucrative on the pro circuit as the L.A. Masters, Kooyong, and White City.

Here are the winners of Kramer's major tournaments, which should now be regarded as the Pro Grand Slam for these two climactic years, when at least six Hall of Famers competed for the top tournament prizes.

1958
Kooyong Hoad
White City Sedgman
L.A. Masters Segura
Forest Hills Gonzales

1959
L.A. Masters Gonzales
Forest Hills Hoad
White City Gonzales
Kooyong Hoad

So, for these two summit seasons of tournament play, Hoad and Gonzales each won three of the Kramer majors, with Segura and Sedgman winning one each.

Kramer's evaluation carries huge weight because Kramer himself was responsible for the arrangements and money earned from all four of the major events he singled out as the top majors.
The two Australian events at Kooyong and White City were sell-out events in large stadiums, and the players earned huge money from them.
This article confirms that the French Pro, Wembley, and Cleveland were not managed by Kramer, and Kramer would make less effort to promote them and give them the star status and huge money prizes that distinguished the four majors under his management.
These are the true majors in the late fifties.
 
In 1959 Gonzalez for the first time is not undisputed #1. Yes, in 1954-55 there is the question of whether Kramer was still a "holdover" world champion not yet knocked from his throne; but no one has ever argued that Kramer's actual record in the '54 and '55 seasons was the best. Kramer played very little tennis in '54-'55 (possibly did not play a single match in '55). So Gonzalez is clear #1 from 1954-58. Hoad arguably made the first dent, by winning the Ampol tournament series of '59.

According to McCauley, the final positions in the Ampol world series were: 1 Hoad, 2 Gonzalez, 3 Rosewall, 4 Sedgman, 5 Trabert, 6 Anderson, 7 Segura, 8 Cooper.

L'Equipe (Robert Roy) issued a combined pro-amateur ranking: 1 Gonzalez, 2 Sedgman, 3 Rosewall, 4 Trabert, 5 Hoad, 6 Segura, 7 Kramer, 8 McGregor, 9 Hartwig, 10 Cooper, 11 Rose. L’Equipe’s list was published on Dec. 17 so it was missing some important results.

Kramer issued his own personal rankings: 1 Gonzalez, 2 Sedgman, 3 Rosewall, 4 Hoad, 5 Trabert, 6 Segura, 7 Cooper, 8 Anderson, 9 Rose, 10 McGregor, 11 Hartwig.

Gonzalez won Kramer's championship tour, among himself, Hoad, Cooper and Anderson. He also won the World Pro in Cleveland, over a generally weak field but with an impressive win over Hoad in three straight sets.

Jack March issued his own rankings as he did every year: 1. Gonzalez, 2. Hoad, 3. Segura, 4. Trabert, 5. Rosewall, 6. Sedgman, 7. Cooper, 8. Parker, 9. Anderson and 10. Riggs. These were printed in the February 1960 issue of World Tennis.

Robert Barnes (Kramer's Australian agent) issued this ranking : 1 Hoad, 2 Gonzalez, 3 Rosewall, 4 Sedgman, 5 Trabert, 6 Segura, 7 Cooper, 8 Anderson, 9 Rose. This one I found at Wikipedia and did not document myself; it is very similar but not identical to the final Ampol standings. But I don't know the date on which Barnes issued these rankings. I recall seeing one piece from the summer (perhaps August) in which Barnes told the press that Hoad was currently ranked #1 according to their system, but at the moment I can't locate the clipping.
It appears that the Kramer and L'Equipe and Barnes rankings above were not issued in December, but probably in October, there was a two-month lag for items in the "News from around the world" section of World Tennis.

Kramer and l'Equipe rankings reflected the Grand Prix de Europe tour results.

These were not end-of-year ranking lists, but the final ranking list was issued by Kramer in January 1960.
 
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["krosero, post: 10867925, member: 14985"]Another report on the 1953 Cleveland final, from Chicago Daily Tribune (July 16):

Pancho Gonzales, four set conqueror of Don Budge in the finals of the recent world’s professional tennis tournament in Cleveland, declares that the 38 year old Budge should be ranked as the games’ greatest . . . . Gonzales is playing tennis better than ever, yet Budge blasted him around the court in the opening set before fatigue assisted Pancho’s cause . . . Jack Kramer and his troupe—Frank Sedgman, Pancho Segura, etc.—did not compete in Cleveland, and this prompts Gonzales to lash out at Kramer for being “selfish.” . . . Gonzales says that the absence of the Kramer pros kept the Cleveland tourney—and pro tennis—from gaining wide recognition . . . It need not be added that Gonzales, the onetime problem child of amateur tennis, would have liked a shot at Kramer, the world exhibition champ.​

[Dan Lobb]
In 1953, we have Cleveland referred to as "world" pro, not U.S. Pro.

And Gonzales complaining about its lack of status or recognition.
If Segura and Sedgman were not competing that year, then Pancho had very weak competition in Cleveland that year, especially if your main competition is 38 years old. One has to agree with Gonzalez here. Until Sedgman arrived, it seems to me that Pancho's main competition in the early-mid fifties was past peak Budge and Riggs and the great but physically limited Segura. Like it or not, Wembley and the French Pro were the most continuous Majors of the pro tour.
 
If Segura and Sedgman were not competing that year, then Pancho had very weak competition in Cleveland that year, especially if your main competition is 38 years old. One has to agree with Gonzalez here. Until Sedgman arrived, it seems to me that Pancho's main competition in the early-mid fifties was past peak Budge and Riggs and the great but physically limited Segura. Like it or not, Wembley and the French Pro were the most continuous Majors of the pro tour.
In 1953, Wembley was clearly the number one tournament. I have no problem with that. Also Wembley in 1952, 1956, 1961, 1962.


In the late fifties, Kramer created some tournaments which overshadowed Wembley.
 
Some reports of the 1965 CBS TV Pro Classic in Dallas, which we now know was on clay.

Gonzalez beat Laver and Rosewall back-to-back.

Dallas Morning News of April 20, 1965:

The new emerging star of professional tennis crashes head-on Tuesday with a man who was a leading light in a private galaxy when Jupiter was a pup.​
Rod Laver, who in less than three years on the professional circuit has risen to No. 2 ranking, meets Pancho Gonzales at 1:30 p.m. in the semifinals of the CBS-TV sponsored pro tennis tournament at Dallas Country Club.​
Laver cut down Mike Davies, 8-6, 6-1, to advance. In Monday’s other match, Andres Gimeno, fourth ranked among pros, defeated Butch Buchholz, 7-5, 10-8. Gimeno plays pro king Ken Rosewall in Tuesday’s second semifinal match.​
The winners meet Wednesday for the championship.​


Dallas Morning News of April 21:

Pancho’s Lessons Costly​
Laver Takes One in Psychology for $2,500​
By GARY CARTWRIGHT​
Rod Laver took a $2,500 tennis lesson Tuesday.​
The red-haired Australian with the Dixie Cup nose, the Tabasco sauce complexion and the armory of exquisite shots was at least a co-favorite to zip up the $8,000 first prize in the television-sponsored pro tennis tournament at Dallas Country Club. He had, after all, won three straight on the recent Australian circuit, home of the Original School of Hard Knocks.​
But Tuesday’s semifinals was graduate study, and the teacher was that renowned professor of psychology, Dr. Richard P. Gonzales.​
WITH THE DISPATCH of a well-placed serve, the 36-year-old Gonzales diagrammed Laver’s strategy, exposed it as infantile folly and rang up a brilliantly-executed 8-6, 6-3 win over the young Australian.​
Gonzales thus goes against Ken Rosewall Wednesday at 1 p.m. for first money. Rosewall, a co-favorite with Laver, easily handled Andres Gimeno of Spain, 6-4, 6-3. Gimeno and Laver each retired with $2,500 for two days work, leaving Gonzales and Rosewall to determine who settles for second place, $5,000.​
Laver and Gonzales furnished not only a test of the new and the old, but an examination of classic style. Laver’s job was to neutralize Gonzales’ super-serve by keeping the ball in play and tiring the nearly-retired master.​
Ironically, Laver lost on his own serve.​
With Gonzales leading the first set 7-6 and Laver serving, Gonzales five times carried his talented young opponent to set point, and each time Laver rallied superbly.​
THEN, IN A PATTERN Gonzales established from the beginning, Laver was allowed to beat himself with his fourth double fault of the set.​
Gonzales built a quick 3-0 lead in the second set and coasted to the finals.​
“Gonzales played about as tough as I’ve ever seen him,” said tennis-Godfather Jack Kramer. “It was too bad Rod doubled on set point, but when you’re doubling like that it’s because of something your opponent is doing. Three times on set point Laver served terrifically, hitting it deep almost to the line. Then he made a small error and Gonzales had him.”​
By nature, Laver is a scrambler, an attacker. He plays as viciously on set-point as he does on the first point of the match, and Tuesday he continually darted back to the base line to return near-impossible shots. Occasionally Laver’s incredible array of shots sank inches out of reach of the aging Gonzales, and when Gonzales was unable to lash in his first service he was usually in trouble.​
BUT GONZALES infrequently missed with his first serve, and Laver missed a bunch; that was the difference.​
“He plays well,” said Laver, “but I missed too many opportunities. I wasn’t concentrating too well.”​
Someone mentioned that Gonzales made precious few mistakes, and Laver cracked, “I made them before he had a chance.”​
Laver said, “It’s not easy to concentrate against Gonzales. Why? His power serves . . . his dinks (short lobs) . . . and his arguments with the linesmen . . . that sort of thing.”​
Gonzales just smiled like a fox in a hatchery and said he concentrated on making good his first serve. The rest, he said, was up to Laver.​
Like any good lesson, it was costly.​


Dallas Morning News of April 22, by Gary Cartwright:

Even at $25,000 this was more than CBS-television had bargained for.​
Their cameras had already run out of tape once, and if neither Pancho Gonzales nor Ken Rosewall broke his to-the-death grip soon, television’s first canned tennis series might press Peyton Place for pure quantity.​
Then in the 20th game of the third set Rosewall double faulted, Gonzales broke his service and as soon as Gonzales had whipped a match point serve of his own by Rosewall, tennis had a new king and a new alibi.​
TELEVISION, said Rosewall, cost him the $8,000 title, although there will be some who say he missed the point. Certainly he missed the point in misjudging Gonzales’ senior citizenship, and when the final results were in—8-10, 7-5, 12-10 for Gonzales—the 37-year-old American looked the fresher.​
“That break (of about 10 minutes) to change tape threw me out of gear,” said Rosewall, who had won the first set and was leading the second 2-1 when the men who were paying the bill called an emergency recess. “It gave him a chance to rest.”​
Gonzales didn’t dispute this claim.​
Until that break Gonzales was the straight man, laying back on the base line in the style of tennis that made Rosewall the world’s champion. Gonzales is a power player, who needs to charge the net. Instead Rosewall was forcing him to play deep, involve himself in long, running rallies and play safe on the slower surface of Dallas Country Club’s clay courts.​
Rested, Gonzales changed the pattern dramatically.​
Now Rosewall was unable to scamper back and recover all the lobs from the net, and now Rosewall was losing his sharpness on passing shots.​
IN THE 29TH GAME of the match, Gonzales finally broke Rosewall’s service. For the first time since the start, Gonzales led a set, which he eventually won, 7-5.​
In the first game of the third set, Gonzales again broke Rosewall’s service, and in the twist of those back-to-back breaks, Rosewall lost his grip on world tennis.​
In the eighth game Rosewall rallied brilliantly, breaking Gonzales’ serve even after the younger player had watched helplessly while Gonzales spun two aces past him.​
By then Gonzales had no monopoly on fatigue.​
That fact was clearly established in the 15th game when Rosewall twice double faulted, and Gonzales broke away, 7-6. Rosewall broke back and tied it at 7-7, and now Gonzales appeared to be slipping.​
“I could feel cramps in both legs,” he said later. “I was just lucky they didn’t start sooner. It was an exhausting game, but I have to believe he felt it, too, at the end.”​
IN THE 20TH game of that final set Rosewall again double-faulted and lost his service, and Gonzales put him away in the 21st game.​
When Rosewall feebly poked Gonzales serve into the net on match point, both opponents appeared slightly relieved.​
Difference between first and second was $3,000-$8,000 to $5,000. Both are records for pro tennis. Everyone got his money’s worth.​

QF defeated Sedgman 6-3, 6-3
SF defeated Laver 8-6, 6-3
F defeated Rosewall 8-10, 7-5, 12-10

If these reports are correct, Rosewall held serve 14 straight times to open the final. That's a high number on clay, though it also may indicate Gonzalez's diminished ability to break serve at this stage of his career; we often see older players' return stats go down even while their service hold rates remain high.
$25,000 is LESS than $28,000....so Dallas does not break the record for richest tournament made by the 1958 Kooyong TOC.
 
That one is Melbourne 1958.
The only 10,000 GBP tournaments of the fifties in Australia (and the richest ever until CBS TV Pro 1965).
In 1958 Melbourne was labelled Tournament of Champions and Sydney was labelled the Masters
CBS 1965 was only $25,000....Kooyong 1958 was $28,000.
 
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These yearly stats for Gorgo are impressive, Amazing, work by you.

Your reluctance to consider 1954 WCS as a WCS genuinely surprised me and I think it is at odds w most people's understanding. Kramer is always firstly self-serving and what he presumed to think is the least strong proof. I am convinced that by 1953 Kramer did not want to have to face Gorgo in a head to head tour and by 1954 did not want to have to face a tour against Sedge. Despite what Kramer says in his book there surely was a market for a Kramer-Gonzalez tour in 1954. And given the close result in '54 and fact Sdge was closing fast, there was, alternatively, a possible market for a Kramer- Sedgman rematch. Remember Vnes and Perry rematch in 1938.

Kramer did play against the top pros after 1953, but only entered a couple of pro Majors in the years after '53. He was partly retired or more than partly. Kramer's supposed consideration of taking on the tour against Trabert was clearly a business bluff to lock the
desperate Wolf into a long-term contract highly favorable to Kramer.

Jack wanted no part of these guys.

By '54, or Sedgman or Gonzalez was No. 1 and the '54 WCS answered the question.

Again, kudos on assiduous research
True, Kramer was not interested in a world hth championship series against Gonzales, or Segura or Sedgman, over whom he was fortunate to win in 1953.

However, Kramer was hoping to play a world championship tour in 1954 against a rookie pro Lew Hoad, and made a pro offer to him in December 1953.

Hoad, who had just turned 19, declined, claiming that he wanted to win at Wimbledon "a couple of times" before turning pro, which is exactly what eventually happened in 1957.

But Kramer was not ready to turn over his world champion mantle to anyone else just yet, which is why he did not establish the 1954 pro tour as a world championship event...Kramer himself remained the world champion, able to meet the challenge of the next rookie for the world crown.
 
True, Kramer was not interested in a world hth championship series against Gonzales, or Segura or Sedgman, over whom he was fortunate to win in 1953.

However, Kramer was hoping to play a world championship tour in 1954 against a rookie pro Lew Hoad, and made a pro offer to him in December 1953.

Hoad, who had just turned 19, declined, claiming that he wanted to win at Wimbledon "a couple of times" before turning pro, which is exactly what eventually happened in 1957.

But Kramer was not ready to turn over his world champion mantle to anyone else just yet, which is why he did not establish the 1954 pro tour as a world championship event...Kramer himself remained the world champion, able to meet the challenge of the next rookie for the world crown.

Wanted, then, to do to the teenage bloke what he'd done in 1950 to the raw, unprepared Gonzalez in 1950 - cut him to bits, drain the blood and send the carcass back to its home town. Lew made the rational decision to turn down such an "offer", thankfully.
 
Kramer told the LA Times that in the 1959 season Gonzalez won $58,500.

I'm not sure if he was the leader for the season, however. In Kramer's championship tour, Gonzalez won $29,150, Hoad $28,250. But Hoad won the Ampol tournament series, and that was a lucrative series.

Anyone have figures for Lew's earnings in '59 or other years?
Hoad won $87,000 in 1959, plus endorsements and investment income.
Hoad won $193,00 in 1958 from playing tennis, so that is about $280,000 for the two-year contract period, more than twice the guarantee level of $125,000.

Gonzales made about $90,000 in 1958, and $58,500 in 1959 according to Kramer....although Kramer was sometimes off. Kramer did not keep the books or make out the cheques, his wife was financial secretary.

It seems that Kramer often understated how much his players made. And understated revenue in general. Those big tournaments probably did not lose money, when everything is factored in, like huge television revenue.
 
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Drob, just a few statistical disagreements, to start. I have Gonzalez beating Rosewall 19-5 in the '60WS, and Rosewall winning 7 of 10 tourneys that year. I have Gorgo winning 12 of 30 tournaments, starting with the '58 Tournament of Champions at Forest Hills and through the '61 season (if I've counted correctly, McCauley has 12 of 26).

I certainly agree that Gonzalez has a strong case to be #1 or co No. 1 all the way through '61, and that one of the arguments that could be used is that no one took away his crown. But that particular argument -- if it's based on the World Series -- makes it impossible to give him a number one place in 1952. Kramer had not lost a World Series at that point, and in fact he won another over Sedgman in '53. Gonzalez won a big round-robin tour over other pros in '54 and he certainly had the best pro record that year; but again he didn't beat Kramer or knock him off in a world championship. As far as I'm aware, Gonzalez was not proclaimed world champion when he won the '54 round-robin tour. Back in the 50s and 60s he was sometimes referred to as the world's number one player starting in '53 or '54; but sometimes he's described as "world champion" since '56 -- and that was the year he won a world series over Trabert that was publicly described as a world championship.

I think the whole concept of "world champion" is a debatable one; it was not universally agreed, at the time, that the world series staged by Kramer produced the world champion.

I've been looking through the pages of World Tennis, and here's a letter from a fan, in the October 1959 issue:

One of the most partial and biased articles ever published in your wonderful magazine appeared in the August issue under the heading “Hoad Crushes Gonzales At Forest Hills” by Bobby Riggs. I doubt if it is a question of ignorance, for Mr. Riggs has been around too much and certainly knows better. Bobby said that “The match signified the end of an era. The great Gonzales who has dominated pro tennis for four years was beaten decisively by a young man.” In the first place, a defeat in four sets is never a crushing one; secondly, Gonzales has dominated pro tennis not for four years but for seven.​
The Forest Hills tournament had no more significance than the Toronto or the Los Angeles tournaments, which were both won by Gonzales. In Toronto Sedgman defeated Hoad “crushingly,” as Riggs would put it, 6-0 in the fourth; in the final, Gonzales beat Sedgman 6-1, 6-4, 6-1! In Los Angeles Hoad was beaten by Pancho. Gonzales won the pro tour this year, receiving prize money of $29,150 as against Hoad’s $28,250. The win-loss record was Gonzales 47-15, Hoad 42-20. In direct matches, Hoad came out two matches ahead. Above all, the most important tournament in pro ranks, emblematic of world supremacy, is and has been the “World Pro Championships” in Cleveland. It was won by Gonzales again. He defeated Hoad in the final in straight sets, 6-4, 6-2, 6-4!​
In my book, Richard “Pancho” Gonzales is the world’s greatest living tennis player and one of the top all time greats. He has proved it, not only as a professional but even as an amateur, winning Forest Hills twice. All of it was accomplished despite his well-known lack of training, his difficulties with Kramer and his domestic troubles. Until he actually loses the title, let’s have the courtesy of calling him “Champ.” Riggs is not the only one who sins in the coverage of tournaments concerning Gonzales. If he wins, the other guy didn’t play well or was “feeling sick.”​
R. Keenan​
San Rafael, Calif.​


Now this fan gives Gonzalez 7 years as number one, which would mean starting with the 1953 season -- the year that he first won the US/World Pro in Cleveland. The fan (I'll call him RK) has the concept of the "Champ" holding a title that must be taken away. But RK doesn't call the '59 tour specifically a world championship tour and in fact he seems to identify Cleveland, more than any other single event, as the event where that "title" is conferred.

Riggs, based on his '59 article practically proclaiming the Gonzalez era as over, seems to have the same concept of the "Champ" holding a title that must be directly taken away -- but he seems to regard the title of Champ as something that could be won or lost at a tournament, like Forest Hills.

Of course the world championship series was a genuine world championship, but it was not the only one. Pro tennis just wasn't organized enough to have a single, universally accepted way of designating a champion -- and "champion" is a nebulous term anyway, though of course an important and powerful one.
Hey, hey what is that strange, extra-terrestrial designation I see from Mr. Keenan there, in his attempt to puff his hero, in his description of the Cleveland

event which he claims is by far the greatest thing that ever happened to tennis, what does he call it?

"The Cleveland World Pro Championships"

What is that, our beloved "U.S. Pro" is being downgraded by the greatest supporter Gonzales ever had, what? No "U.S. Pro"? Say it ain't so, Keenan.

No. "The Cleveland World Pro Championships"....not a peep about Cleveland being the "U.S. Pro". And he calls himself a fan of Gonzales?

What kind of a fan would not acknowledge a U.S. Pro victory by his hero? What gives here?

Actually, I can see Mr. Keenan now, his face puzzled. "U.S. Pro"? What is that?
 
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After the Turin matches in October Gonzalez again went into retirement.

The New York Times had this on Sept. 21, shortly after Gonzalez's four-set loss to Rosewall in the French Pro final:

Gonzalez to Quit Pro Tennis Play​
Pancho Gonzalez, the professional tennis champion of the world for nearly a decade, is retiring from pro tournaments, but may be willing to play in open tournaments.​
The 33-year-old star of Jack Kramer’s touring troupe, who lost his title to Ken Rosewall of Australia last Sunday in Paris, has signed with Huntington Hartford to teach and coach tennis at Paradise Island in the Bahamas.​
Gonzalez, whose income annually topped $50,000 as the champion, has accepted a four-month pact as the club pro at Hartford’s new $20,000,000 Caribbean resort.​
The contract between Hartford and Gonzalez was signed in Paris following Gonzalez’ defeat by Rosewall. Gonzalez will teach tennis at the resort and give exhibition matches from January through April.​
In addition to revealing his plans, Gonzalez disclosed that his name for years had been constantly misspelled. The final letter is “z,” not “s,” he said.​
Gonzalez left the door open for his return to competition. He said, “I do not intend to participate in any more tennis tournaments unless they are open to professionals and amateurs alike.”​

But as we've been seeing, the world championship was not a thing universally agreed upon -- and this was another disputed year in the rankings. The AP reported during the Wembley tournament in late September: "Gonzales, 33, the current world champion, confirmed after his match that he was retiring this year."

I'll make a separate post for the rankings.
Excellent post....and this explains why some people thought that Ken was the world champion for 1961....not because of any series win, but because he had won the "world championship" at RG, or perhaps at Wembley.

That is called "championship-lite".
 
Excellent post....and this explains why some people thought that Ken was the world champion for 1961....not because of any series win, but because he had won the "world championship" at RG, or perhaps at Wembley.

That is called "championship-lite".
Interesting Dan, this post krosero (which unfortunately, like others, does not write here anymore), because it allows us to make a series of reflections, some of which I expose below:
1) "Pancho Gonzalez, the professional tennis champion of the world for almost a decade" ... Pancho is recognized as having dominated for almost a decade without going into the merits of individual years,
2) Pancho is retiring from pro tournaments, but he seemed well prepared to play in open tournaments as long as all the players participated, he seemed to have grown tired of a "only best players" tour not extended to slam's champions,
3) Pancho's name was Gonzalez, not Gonzales, and he wanted to reiterate this.
 
Hey, hey what is that strange, extra-terrestrial designation I see from Mr. Keenan there, in his attempt to puff his hero, in his description of the Cleveland

event which he claims is by far the greatest thing that ever happened to tennis, what does he call it?

"The Cleveland World Pro Championships"

What is that, our beloved "U.S. Pro" is being downgraded by the greatest supporter Gonzales ever had, what? No "U.S. Pro"? Say it ain't so, Keenan.

No. "The Cleveland World Pro Championships"....not a peep about Cleveland being the "U.S. Pro". And he calls himself a fan of Gonzales?

What kind of a fan would not acknowledge a U.S. Pro victory by his hero? What gives here?

Actually, I can see Mr. Keenan now, his face puzzled. "U.S. Pro"? What is that?
Very interesting article about this reader. He looks much better prepared than many experts.
1) Gonzalez beat Rosewall 19-5 in the 60WS:eek:, and Rosewall won 7 of the 10 tournaments that year:eek:. Difficult to identify the number one.

2) I certainly agree that Gonzalez has a strong case like the n. 1 or n. 1 until 1961, I agree Gonzalez > Rosewall in 1961 .. but here krosero focuses on one "of the arguments that could be used is that nobody took away his crown". This is an aspect that has been overcome but that existed at the time. If the challenger does not destroy the champion, the champion remains on the throne

3) In 1952 Kramer world champion is identified when in the 12 tournaments Gonzalez wins 7 and Segura 5, and Kramer zero.
Let's put it this way politics beats the two Panchos 6-0 6-0 6-0.:censored:


4) we never talk about the number one but the world champion; this is a passage on which I dwelt in the past, in fact, even for me, the number one has a logical sense only when there is a ranking made up of numbers (like the ATP) but when only the judgment is decided by experts or media or fan You can talk about world champion (or best player) but not number one.

5) "Gonzalez won a great round-robin tour on other professionals in '54 and he certainly had the best professional record of that year, but again he did not beat Kramer or beat him in a world championship ". ... in other words Kramer for many was the world champion without playing.:censored:

6) "As far as I know, Gonzalez was not proclaimed world champion when he won the '54 round-robin tour in the 50s and '60s has sometimes been referred to as the number one player in the world since '53 or '54, but is sometimes described as "world champion" since '56 "... here is the problem we had Dan in another thread (the one of the records), because in the absence of a ranking with numbers this happens ... and that is that in the years '52, '53, '54, '55 it is not known who the world champion was . Pancho won, Kramer did not play and Kramer was the world champion for many experts.

7) "I think the whole concept of" world champion "is questionable, it was not universally accepted, at the time, that the series world championships staged by Kramer produced the world champion. "... Gonzales dominated professional tennis not for four years but for seven. 4 or 8 ... do you understand? This is not a year, but 4 years .....
 
Interesting Dan, this post krosero (which unfortunately, like others, does not write here anymore), because it allows us to make a series of reflections, some of which I expose below:
1) "Pancho Gonzalez, the professional tennis champion of the world for almost a decade" ... Pancho is recognized as having dominated for almost a decade without going into the merits of individual years,
2) Pancho is retiring from pro tournaments, but he seemed well prepared to play in open tournaments as long as all the players participated, he seemed to have grown tired of a "only best players" tour not extended to slam's champions,
3) Pancho's name was Gonzalez, not Gonzales, and he wanted to reiterate this.
I don't think that the "z" was used, I suspect probably an interpolation from Krosero, who very much wanted to use the "z". Notice that the AP report uses an "s".
 
Very interesting article about this reader. He looks much better prepared than many experts.
1) Gonzalez beat Rosewall 19-5 in the 60WS:eek:, and Rosewall won 7 of the 10 tournaments that year:eek:. Difficult to identify the number one.

2) I certainly agree that Gonzalez has a strong case like the n. 1 or n. 1 until 1961, I agree Gonzalez > Rosewall in 1961 .. but here krosero focuses on one "of the arguments that could be used is that nobody took away his crown". This is an aspect that has been overcome but that existed at the time. If the challenger does not destroy the champion, the champion remains on the throne

3) In 1952 Kramer world champion is identified when in the 12 tournaments Gonzalez wins 7 and Segura 5, and Kramer zero.
Let's put it this way politics beats the two Panchos 6-0 6-0 6-0.:censored:


4) we never talk about the number one but the world champion; this is a passage on which I dwelt in the past, in fact, even for me, the number one has a logical sense only when there is a ranking made up of numbers (like the ATP) but when only the judgment is decided by experts or media or fan You can talk about world champion (or best player) but not number one.

5) "Gonzalez won a great round-robin tour on other professionals in '54 and he certainly had the best professional record of that year, but again he did not beat Kramer or beat him in a world championship ". ... in other words Kramer for many was the world champion without playing.:censored:

6) "As far as I know, Gonzalez was not proclaimed world champion when he won the '54 round-robin tour in the 50s and '60s has sometimes been referred to as the number one player in the world since '53 or '54, but is sometimes described as "world champion" since '56 "... here is the problem we had Dan in another thread (the one of the records), because in the absence of a ranking with numbers this happens ... and that is that in the years '52, '53, '54, '55 it is not known who the world champion was . Pancho won, Kramer did not play and Kramer was the world champion for many experts.

7) "I think the whole concept of" world champion "is questionable, it was not universally accepted, at the time, that the series world championships staged by Kramer produced the world champion. "... Gonzales dominated professional tennis not for four years but for seven. 4 or 8 ... do you understand? This is not a year, but 4 years .....
1) Let me suggest a number one, the guy who won the top money event of the year, Hoad defeated Gonzales 7 to 3 on their belated hth series to win over 10,000 USD, the top money event award of that year.
Kramer Cup was clearly a major that year, with all the top players giving their best. Hoad won the key match over Trabert, who had beaten Rosewall.

2)Good point, in fact, Rosewall ducked the world championship series that year, perhaps because Gonzales was still too tough to handle.
I cannot accept Rosewall as number one for 1961. For me you have to beat the champ, as Hoad did in that hth series.

3) Good point, although I think that USPLTA ranking put Segura at No. 1.
But Kramer refused to put his "title" on the line in 1952 OR in 1954.

4) Right, although there were actual "number one" determined on points in 1946, 1959, and 1964.

5) Kramer refused to put his title up for a fight in 1954, Kramer had wanted to play Hoad in 1954 in a hth series and defend his title that way, Hoad refused.

6) That's right, only in 1956 did Kramer allow Gonzales to compete for the world championship title, in a 2-man hth with Trabert.

7) Yes, I agree, the defending champion could just play a series of raw rookies and hang on to his "world championship", a self-styled title with no real meaning.

However, in 1946, 1959, and 1964 there were objective points series to determine an official number one.
 
And still there could be some importance to the designation and approval issue by the USLTA. I wondered that Digby Baltzell, a very good, methodical reasearcher on tennis history of those years with an academic backround, only gave credit to the 1948 US pro as a major professional tournament, and for later said, that the pro events lacked tradition, continuity and approval to call them "majors". I gave the exact citing in another thread once, and will search for it again. There are still some questions about the so called US pros, you can spin or not spin it back and forth like you want. Nobody would talk about any Wimbledon, that it had no approval as Wimbledon championships by the leading Federations. Why the hell, Kramer, who was the generally accepted Pro World Champion at the time up until 1953 (some may say up until 1955), skipped all those "majors" or "pro slams", if they were really counting for his world crown of the pros. And the Cleveland events up until 1962 had often quite bad draws among pro standards.
I believe, the pro scene was a highly fluctuating entity, with ever changing important events. For the 1950s, the mano a mano World Series clearly stood out, because the winner was the accepted king of the hill. And the promoters played a big role, the players had to follow them, because the players had to play against their guarantee, which was set up in their contract. No wonder that Gonzalez didn't play at Wembley in some years like 1959, when he still was the world champion. One last thought on Gonzalez: For me and (i think for Dan, too) Gonzalez would be every bit that great player, he certainly was, if he had won 8 Cleveland titles and not 8 US pros or 8 pro slams or whatever.
Well said.
 
Another report on the 1953 Cleveland final, from Chicago Daily Tribune (July 16):

Pancho Gonzales, four set conqueror of Don Budge in the finals of the recent world’s professional tennis tournament in Cleveland, declares that the 38 year old Budge should be ranked as the games’ greatest . . . . Gonzales is playing tennis better than ever, yet Budge blasted him around the court in the opening set before fatigue assisted Pancho’s cause . . . Jack Kramer and his troupe—Frank Sedgman, Pancho Segura, etc.—did not compete in Cleveland, and this prompts Gonzales to lash out at Kramer for being “selfish.” . . . Gonzales says that the absence of the Kramer pros kept the Cleveland tourney—and pro tennis—from gaining wide recognition . . . It need not be added that Gonzales, the onetime problem child of amateur tennis, would have liked a shot at Kramer, the world exhibition champ.​
Note the phrase "the world exhibition champ" applied to the world series winner.

A distinct difference from "tournament" champ.
 
Trofeo Facis was awarded to the player with more total points obtained in Italy in all competitions (ONS, tournaments, Kramer Cup) in singles and doubles. Hoad won Trofeo Facis in 1962
So, not a distinct or discrete tour, but an overall recognition of play in Italy..so Hoad gets credit for Kramer Cup in 1962. Interesting.
 
So, not a distinct or discrete tour, but an overall recognition of play in Italy..so Hoad gets credit for Kramer Cup in 1962. Interesting.
I reconstructed the point system stop by stop, comparing tallies after every event.

This is how I think it worked :
1) Every match was awarding 2 points, also the doubles (1 point each every winning player).
2) Only exceptions were the 5th place finals in Milan (only 1 point) and all the matches in Turin (4 points every match).

This is the final standings and it matches perfectly with mine:

1. Hoad 30
2. Segura 23
3. Anderson 21.5
4. Trabert 17.5
4. Cooper 17.5
6. Rosewall 16
7. Olmedo 13.5
8. Buchholz 9
8. Gimeno 9
10. Davies 5
11. Mackay 3

Anderson/Trabert/Cooper/Olmedo each received half point in Viareggio because their doubles was suspended for darkness.
 
I reconstructed the point system stop by stop, comparing tallies after every event.

This is how I think it worked :
1) Every match was awarding 2 points, also the doubles (1 point each every winning player).
2) Only exceptions were the 5th place finals in Milan (only 1 point) and all the matches in Turin (4 points every match).

This is the final standings and it matches perfectly with mine:

1. Hoad 30
2. Segura 23
3. Anderson 21.5
4. Trabert 17.5
4. Cooper 17.5
6. Rosewall 16
7. Olmedo 13.5
8. Buchholz 9
8. Gimeno 9
10. Davies 5
11. Mackay 3

Anderson/Trabert/Cooper/Olmedo each received half point in Viareggio because their doubles was suspended for darkness.
Congrats for this great reconstruction. That is quite a distinguished line-up of players on the Italian tour.

There was no other points tour for 1962, or any formal championship tour, so this constitutes the most impressive tour victory for 1962.

The press poll of sports writers gave Hoad the #1 spot for 1962.
 
Yes, very bad prize money.
Many tournaments with better prize money in 1964.
The Japanese Pro Championship in 1960 was a $10,000 tournament, as much as the 1964 U.S. Pro.

Ironically, despite the low prize money for the Longwood U.S. Pro in 1964, this event may have been the most prestigious of the pro tournaments in 1964.

It was televised from Boston, hosted by Kramer and Collins.

1964 was not a banner year for the pros. They failed to sign Emerson or Santana. Emerson demanded a $100,000 contract, which Rosewall and Laver could not

meet. Strangely, in 1967 Rosewall and Laver offered Emerson a $100,000 contract, which had been his demand in 1964, when Emmo was at his peak of playing

ability. Emerson turned down that $100,000 offer in 1967, claiming that it would represent a "pay cut" for him at that time.

Those amateurs made good money.
 
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I reconstructed the point system stop by stop, comparing tallies after every event.

This is how I think it worked :
1) Every match was awarding 2 points, also the doubles (1 point each every winning player).
2) Only exceptions were the 5th place finals in Milan (only 1 point) and all the matches in Turin (4 points every match).

This is the final standings and it matches perfectly with mine:

1. Hoad 30
2. Segura 23
3. Anderson 21.5
4. Trabert 17.5
4. Cooper 17.5
6. Rosewall 16
7. Olmedo 13.5
8. Buchholz 9
8. Gimeno 9
10. Davies 5
11. Mackay 3

Anderson/Trabert/Cooper/Olmedo each received half point in Viareggio because their doubles was suspended for darkness.
Do you have a list of the events which comprised this Italian season?
 
Yes, very bad prize money.
Many tournaments with better prize money in 1964.
The Forest Hills TOC in 1959 offered $15,000 in prize money.
Gonzales finished second and received $2,000. (Hoad received first place money of $3,000 in the singles, plus $750 in doubles.)
What did Gonzales receive for finishing second in the 1964 U.S. Pro at Longwood?
 
Do you have a list of the events which comprised this Italian season?
6 aug - Castiglioncello
6 aug - Riccione
7 aug - Viareggio
7 aug - S. Benedetto
8 aug - Livorno (cancelled)
8 aug - Pescara
9 aug - Naples
9 aug - Pescara
10-12 aug - Cava dei Tirreni
16 aug - Venice
18 aug - Venice
24-29 Sept - Milan
30 Sept - 1 Oct - Bologna
2-3 Oct - Padua (cancelled)
4-7 Oct - Turin: Kramer Cup + 2 Facis trophy singles

McCauley has all the singles results apart of the final 2 Facis Trophy singles in Turin.
He misses also some doubles matches, that I have.
 
The Forest Hills TOC in 1959 offered $15,000 in prize money.
Gonzales finished second and received $2,000. (Hoad received first place money of $3,000 in the singles, plus $750 in doubles.)
What did Gonzales receive for finishing second in the 1964 U.S. Pro at Longwood?
$1,400 for Gonzales
 
6 aug - Castiglioncello
6 aug - Riccione
7 aug - Viareggio
7 aug - S. Benedetto
8 aug - Livorno (cancelled)
8 aug - Pescara
9 aug - Naples
9 aug - Pescara
10-12 aug - Cava dei Tirreni
16 aug - Venice
18 aug - Venice
24-29 Sept - Milan
30 Sept - 1 Oct - Bologna
2-3 Oct - Padua (cancelled)
4-7 Oct - Turin: Kramer Cup + 2 Facis trophy singles

McCauley has all the singles results apart of the final 2 Facis Trophy singles in Turin.
He misses also some doubles matches, that I have.
Amazing work...congratulations. I have copied this down in case the post gets lost.
 
$1,400 for Gonzales
Unbelievable, Gonzales gets $2,000 for finishing in 2nd place in the 1959 Forest Hills TOC, and gets only $1,400 for 2nd place in the 1964 U.S. Pro at Longwood.

This shows the diminishing money returns on the pro tour in the mid-sixties compared to the late fifties. No wonder Emmo turned down that $100,000 pro offer

in 1967. He must have made more as an amateur.
 
Amazing work...congratulations. I have copied this down in case the post gets lost.
Just for you, Hoad’s breakdown

3 - Riccione (single and doubles)
3 - S. benedetto del Tronto (single and doubles)
4 - Pescara (1 single and 2 doubles)
3 - Venice (1 single and 1 doubles)
1 - Cava dei Tirreni (1 doubles)
3 - Milan (3 doubles)
3 - Bologna (1 singles and 1 doubles)
10 - Turin (2 singles and 1 doubles)
 
Just for you, Hoad’s breakdown

3 - Riccione (single and doubles)
3 - S. benedetto del Tronto (single and doubles)
4 - Pescara (1 single and 2 doubles)
3 - Venice (1 single and 1 doubles)
1 - Cava dei Tirreni (1 doubles)
3 - Milan (3 doubles)
3 - Bologna (1 singles and 1 doubles)
10 - Turin (2 singles and 1 doubles)
Tremendous work.
 
6 aug - Castiglioncello
6 aug - Riccione
7 aug - Viareggio
7 aug - S. Benedetto
8 aug - Livorno (cancelled)
8 aug - Pescara
9 aug - Naples
9 aug - Pescara
10-12 aug - Cava dei Tirreni
16 aug - Venice
18 aug - Venice
24-29 Sept - Milan
30 Sept - 1 Oct - Bologna
2-3 Oct - Padua (cancelled)
4-7 Oct - Turin: Kramer Cup + 2 Facis trophy singles

McCauley has all the singles results apart of the final 2 Facis Trophy singles in Turin.
He misses also some doubles matches, that I have.
What were the final two Facis Trophy singles in Turin?
 
Nope.
Hoad played only Kramer Cup matches in Turin.
Interesting...I have reviewed Hoad's results in McCauley, doesn't look like he set the world on fire in winning that Facis tour in 1962.

Sometimes if you just punch the clock you get some good results.
 
Interesting...I have reviewed Hoad's results in McCauley, doesn't look like he set the world on fire in winning that Facis tour in 1962.

Sometimes if you just punch the clock you get some good results.
Well, he won it because he played in most of the events and made various points in doubles.
Facis Trophy is not a very high level title, none of them.
 
I have this:
Gonzales - Hoad 104-77
Gonzales - Laver 22-43
Gonzales - Rosewall 117-88
Thanks! Fact is though that Gonzalez was 35-6 when he first played Laver which I believe was Rod's second year on the pro tour? What is interesting to me is that Rosewall seems to have done as well as Hoad VS Gonzalez
 
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