PapaProdigy vs. Ballbag (full match vid)

Who will win?

  • Ballbag wins in 2 sets

    Votes: 5 71.4%
  • They split sets

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • PapaProdigy wins in 2 sets

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • Ballbag obliterates delusional 59 Y/O

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    7
  • Poll closed .

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I'm never in a rush to serve. I just really didn't like Papa coming in behind my slice returns and I had the scoreboard margin to try being more aggressive with the returns.
You realize your baseline strokes are now ttw legend. The ttw sharks did not feed off of BallBag stroke slamming. No golden oldies ... "too much arm", "no good unit turn", "prep too late" ... I would not expect this to last, they need to feed.
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
You realize your baseline strokes are now ttw legend. The ttw sharks did not feed off of BallBag stroke slamming. No golden oldies ... "too much arm", "no good unit turn", "prep too late" ... I would not expect this to last, they need to feed.
Only LeeD is fit to judge his strokes.

However the east coast players seem more than equal to the west coasters which is a surprise.
 

TennisProdigy

Professional
Yes but most of his serves are weak and directly into the strikezone, and its worse that most of them are to BB's forehand, on his backhand he is a bit less capable.
Papa lost like 90% of these points where his serve was weak and into the strikezone and he rushed the net, if only his serves were into the body or wide more he would fair better, but weak serves into the strikezones and rushing net are a recipe for passing shots or extremely hard shots into the body from BB, and it happened throughout the match.
So I agree that coming to the net would be the best strategy for Papa, but only if he served well and wide or body, not serving weak serves directly into the strikezone, he is pretty much better off staying back like that, he at least gives him a better chance to win the point like that.
Great match - congratulations both of you!

BB has a great fh. If he hits his bh with more net clearance and spin(like his fh), he can bagel former and older 5.0s.

Why was pp stuck to the service line and didn't move in for the second volley?
Tactically, my dad is horrible. Technically, my dad is horrible.

How did he reach a 5.0 level and even dominate one of his 5.0 seasons?

Athleticism.

At age 40, he was supremely fit, he served much harder, and effortlessly nailed forehands into either corner. His backhand slice would stay low and he’d fly into the net at will after any shot he’d choose.

He’s never had a single coaching lesson in his life, never read any articles or watched videos trying to learn about the game. Knows nothing of grips or anything of the sort.

All he ever did since he started was play matches in an attempt to improve, quite an interesting player...
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Tactically, my dad is horrible. Technically, my dad is horrible.

How did he reach a 5.0 level and even dominate one of his 5.0 seasons?

Athleticism.

At age 40, he was supremely fit, he served much harder, and effortlessly nailed forehands into either corner. His backhand slice would stay low and he’d fly into the net at will after any shot he’d choose.

He’s never had a single coaching lesson in his life, never read any articles or watched videos trying to learn about the game. Knows nothing of grips or anything of the sort.

All he ever did since he started was play matches in an attempt to improve, quite an interesting player...
"and effortlessly nailed forehands into either corner. His backhand slice would stay low and he’d fly into the net at will after any shot he’d choose."

Then he should work to get those FHs to corners, and lower slice 1hbh back into form. You can do this at 60. ;)

He has to drop the *fly into net" on anything neutral ... only on short balls or when he can nail a shot to the corner (not sure how he would do coming in behind low 1hbh slice dtl). Papa isn't going to have a big serve (none of my age group are serving big pace anymore, even those that had it when younger). Have to be accurate, slice wide deuce not age dependent (y), kick to ad great, but any consistent 1st serve wide ad court. I agree with @heninfan99 ... Papa didn't show any precision serving ... that is what us senior servers have left. Keep serving weak tea serves in the middle of the box is just asking for trouble ... and running. My slice wide deuce is my best compensation for losing pace, and bite on the kicker.

I can talk Papa strategy ... I'm living/playing it. :mad:
 
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ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Tactically, my dad is horrible. Technically, my dad is horrible.

How did he reach a 5.0 level and even dominate one of his 5.0 seasons?

Athleticism.

At age 40, he was supremely fit, he served much harder, and effortlessly nailed forehands into either corner. His backhand slice would stay low and he’d fly into the net at will after any shot he’d choose.

He’s never had a single coaching lesson in his life, never read any articles or watched videos trying to learn about the game. Knows nothing of grips or anything of the sort.

All he ever did since he started was play matches in an attempt to improve, quite an interesting player...
How did he succeed without ttw?

:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Tactically, my dad is horrible. Technically, my dad is horrible.

How did he reach a 5.0 level and even dominate one of his 5.0 seasons?

Athleticism.

At age 40, he was supremely fit, he served much harder, and effortlessly nailed forehands into either corner. His backhand slice would stay low and he’d fly into the net at will after any shot he’d choose.

He’s never had a single coaching lesson in his life, never read any articles or watched videos trying to learn about the game. Knows nothing of grips or anything of the sort.

All he ever did since he started was play matches in an attempt to improve, quite an interesting player...
I want to be Papa tactics coach for BallBag rematch. All on PM ... you video some drills I request Papa to do ... and I provide tactics strategy based on what I see in those videos. 8-B(y)
 

TennisProdigy

Professional
I want to be Papa tactics coach for BallBag rematch. All on PM ... you video some drills I request Papa to do ... and I provide tactics strategy based on what I see in those videos. 8-B(y)
Lmao thanks for the offer, but’s hes way too hard headed and stubborn to listen to you :p

I once tried to teach him how to pronate on his serve for a free 10-15 mph of extra speed/spin and after 5 min he said, “if it ain’t broke I don’t need to fix it.”
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
Game 1 - That was some bad volleying and weak overheads by papa, but somehow pulled it through.
Game 2 - You need to watch your footfaulting @BallBag , your stepping over the line clearly alot of times giving urself an advantage, its not hard to be aware of that. Good dropshot to finish the game alltho it was not well disguised, interesting how papa didn't pick it up earlier.
Game 3 - 2:04, 2:26 looked in, overall very bad net play and net covering by papa cost him the game.
Game 4 - Good game by ballbag, 4:18 shot was beautiful.
Game 5 - Horrendous game from papa, gifted it away to the opponent who didn't have to do anything to win it.
Game 6 - After the horrendous game, the start of this game was amazing from papa, some very good shotmaking 5:35 was nice, but after he got up 40:15 he became too passive probably trying to just get the ball in and his lack of boldness cost him the game.
Game 7 - 7:01 how did he miss that? That was a won point. ballbag completely checkmated. But good game overall from papa.
Game 8 - Bad finishing from ballbag after he already build up the points so well, some failed execution, but extremely good baseline play, some nice consistent heavy spin strokes, good game overall.

Pretty good easy set win for BallBag in Set1, very inconsistent strokes from Papa, at this point it seems like BallBag is the better player, Papa getting overwhelmed by the pace and spin of shots and making a ton of errors, bad decisionmaking and bad net play and net covering. Not looking good for Papa at this point unless he somehow gets used to the spin and pace of the strokes and/or find better strategy and tactics to make it harder for Ballbag to win points.

Game 1 - Papa continuing with his ignorant and failed strategy of rushing the net after every serve even if its not well struck and completely in the strikezone of ballbag, at this point this has become so obvious that papa should have picked upon it and stay back on the baseline when the serve is hit directly in ballbag's strikezone even if ballbag has the advanatage from baseline, since he is pretty much losing every single point in this pattern of his.
Game 2 - Horrible service game from ballbag, and probably the shot of the game at 10:52, even if the risk of the shot was extremely high and the ball would go wide or into the net 9 times out of 10, but somehow the flat absolute slap with full force went in and it was a good decision to risk it at 0:40 alltho I would have probably opted for at least slightly more margin lol, but turned out amazing
Game 3 - Almost repeat from game 1, Papa continuing with his ignorant play and getting punished on several ocassions, but coming up with some extremely tough volleys that somehow went in and pulling through, but he is making his life very difficult for himself, he would have lost most games like this if not for some miracilous volleys in this particular game.
Game 4 - Papa starting to play more aggressive and less passive, punishing ballbag a few times, but his strokes are just too flat and have little margin for error, when it goes in its good but its not consistent enough to rely on.
Game 5 - First 3 points directly into ballbag's strikezone again and ignorantly rushing the net, lucky he was not down 0:40 since the 3rd shot was a pretty bad miss from ballbag who was moving sideways as he was hitting since he didnt step a bit left till the last second, 4th point he finally stayed back and won the point, 5th he did the same and unlucky the shot was a bit wide he would have won it probably on the spot or followed in up by going to the net and finishing the easy defensive shot. 6th shot was a great shot by ballbag, papa too slow to get to it simple as that.
Game 6 - Easy hold for ballbag, nothing special
Game 7 - Same old same old, papa losing every point almost when he rushes into the net after serving directly into ballbag's strikezone, and having a decent chance to win points where he opts to stay back at the baseline
Game 8 - How ironic that the last game of the match sums up the whole match so well, Papa winning many points after he stays on baseline and share baseline exchanges with ballbag, despite ballbag having the advantage serving... yet when Papa was
serving and had the advantage he opted to rush the net after serving weak serves directly into ballbag's strikezone and losing like 8 out of 10 points like that on average bar some extremely tough miracilous volleys

Overall a very ignorant match by papa, strategically and tacticaly completely inept from start to finish and uncapable of seeing the errors of his ways and changing things up.
Ballbag just played his game and won easy two sets 6:2 6:2.
Papa was overwhelmed by a better opponent, but he could have done MUCH better than he did with very poor tactics and decision making.
Thanks for summary.
 
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