Parnell knot question

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At 5:43 see how he does not tighten the first loop ?
He just threads it though again, and then tightens once at the end at 5:48, after the 2nd pass
Is this the right way? I tighten the first loop, and then need an awl to open the little hole to pass the string thru on the 2nd loop.
 

Irvin

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#2
He pulls on the first string that came through the loop. Yes it is the right way but I do not pull the knot up and down the anchor string.
 

am1899

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Try the search feature, there are many threads on the Parnell knot. You could also do a search on YouTube as there are quite a few videos showing the various knots and how to.
Something tells me that’s not gonna fly...

Jesus. Please familiarize yourself with the search function and read. All of your questions of late have been covered in previous threads.
That can be said about every thread started after 2010
How about we shut down the forum and stick with Google?
No thanks.
 

am1899

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#8
Tightening the single half hitch to a point you need an awl to open up the hole to complete the Parnell knot seems counterproductive and it would be very easy to damage the string.

The far more effective and safe way would be to avoid cinching the single half hitch completely, until the knot is completely tied.

Like this:

 
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#10
Tightening the single half hitch to a point you need an awl to open up the hole to complete the Parnell knot seems counterproductive and it would be very easy to damage the string.

The far more effective and safe way would be to avoid cinching the single half hitch completely, until the knot is completely tied.

Like this:

In this rope video, he does tighten the first loop.
In the stringer video, he does not tighten the first loop.
Which is the correct way ?
 
#11
In this rope video, he does tighten the first loop.
In the stringer video, he does not tighten the first loop.
Which is the correct way ?
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You tighten it up once you go through that first loop with the tail again.
He does say that you do not tighten that loop until you go over under and through again, you then cinch up the loop , second loop, and then pull tail.
If you tighten up the first loop you would not be able to put the tail through it again.
I typically pull that first loop in just enough so that I can easily pass the tail through for the second loop, cinch the second loop, pull tail with fingers and done.
The knot allows you to cinch it up nice by rocking and pulling loop tight, then of you like, hold tail where you want tail to end and release machine clamp and tail will stay in place where you want it.
I try to keep the tail from resting on the frame, as sometimes if you do that and tail is long enough, you will hear buzzing sound from knot tail against frame.
 
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#13
Yes
In reality, both tie the same knot. The rope one shows it up close, and as the rope one says you don't tighten the first loop as you need to pass the string through it.
If you just tie that knot one time, and think about it, you will realize that you do not tighten that first loop otherwise you will not be able to pass the tail through it again.
 

am1899

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In this rope video, he does tighten the first loop.
In the stringer video, he does not tighten the first loop.
Which is the correct way ?
If you want to tighten that single half hitch some initially, that’s fine. Or you can leave the whole thing loose while you complete the knot. It’s personal preference - either is acceptable. Either way, all we’re saying is leave yourself enough enough of a gap in that single half hitch initially, so you can feed the tail through there to finish tying the knot. That takes the awl out of the equation.

Then, once the knot is tied completely, cinch the single half hitch first, then cinch the tail. (As was previously mentioned, It’s also advisable to hold that tail firm, where you want it to end up, while you release the corresponding base clamp).

Cheers.
 
#18
You can't see well in the first video
but I don't think he ever tightens the first loop that the tail goes through on the 2nd pass.
He keeps it loose, does the 2nd loop, passes the tail through, and only tightens that large outer 2nd loop and yanks the tail.
 

Irvin

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You can't see well in the first video
but I don't think he ever tightens the first loop that the tail goes through on the 2nd pass.
He keeps it loose, does the 2nd loop, passes the tail through, and only tightens that large outer 2nd loop and yanks the tail.
He does when he pulls the end of the string.
 
#21
No...thread must live on.

In the spirit of reviving it I offer the following observation. Normally I use a plier to tighten knots. I just did a natural gut string job and as is my practice with natural gut, I used my hands to tighten (double half hitch) and now I have a blue forefinger as it appears I have burst a blood vessel. Do you guys have bionic fingers?
 
#22
I tighten with a starting clamp, even gut. BUT with gut i just don't snug it as tight like up like i would
with plastic string. No finger damage this way.
 
#24
BTW, it was Wilson Natural Gut, supplied by customer. Lovely string.Package says it's made in Belgium. And here I thought Babolat made Wilson gut.
 
#28
No...thread must live on.

In the spirit of reviving it I offer the following observation. Normally I use a plier to tighten knots. I just did a natural gut string job and as is my practice with natural gut, I used my hands to tighten (double half hitch) and now I have a blue forefinger as it appears I have burst a blood vessel. Do you guys have bionic fingers?
I don't know what you did, but I use my fingers to tighten all knots when I string. Never had any string or finger damage. Maybe you have thin skin?
 
#29
Jeebus.

Tie the entire knot leaving it loose, then tighten the first half hitch followed by snugging the second pass through.

It's really VERY simple.

End of thread........??
I don't understand your terminology.
What is the first half hitch?
The first loop that the tail goes through?
I was told you don't tighten it.
Once you pass the tail through the first loop,
you can only pull the larger outer 2nd loop.
It is impossible to tighten the tiny little first loop
 
#30
Irvin. Here's where you chime in with a video. Pretty please?

Or just study the knot tied in the bucket again (video).
Essentially, you make a half hitch, then you run the string
around the anchor string again and tuck it through the same
knot once again, right.? Are you following me so far?
No, don't tighten anything yet, just form the entire knot.

SO......after that, you snug up the main knot, the first half hitch.
It should also still have the tail running through it for the second
pass through. After tightening the first half hitch, pull the second loop
through in the same manner. Don't go ape ****, just snug it up, maybe
you can rock it a time or two up the anchor string but be gentle.

Got it?
 
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Dags

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What is the first half hitch?
The first loop that the tail goes through?
Yes.
I was told you don't tighten it.
Correct.
Once you pass the tail through the first loop,
you can only pull the larger outer 2nd loop.
Three out of three.
It is impossible to tighten the tiny little first loop
Ohhh, so close to a full house! Remember, we are using one piece of string. When you pull on the larger outer 2nd loop, you are in fact tightening the first loop.
 
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It's a matter of terminology, as you tighten up the first loop by pulling on the second loop , then pull the tail to close the second loop. If ttps is that messed up with doing this knot all he needs to do is practice it with a scrap string a few times and he would realize what is actually done. I'm sure he realizes that if he pulls the first loop tight too soon he will not get the tail in for the second loop, hence he would know not to do that. Just common sense.
I don't know where all the confusion is with all this. It's an easy knot. He just needs to tie it a few times is all.
 

Irvin

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#36
@jim e, you do pull the leading edge of the second loop in the direction of the second loop to tighten the first loop but I believe it incorrect to say you pull the second loop to tighten the first. At the end the second loop you don’t tighten the knot. To quote Richard Parnell, “You just close up the knot.”

EDIT: Tightening both loops by pull (top hard) and rocking the knotson the anchor string is a good way to break strings.
 
#40
I started using the the parnell knot sometime last year. There were times when I half had it (like a wilson pro knot) and times when I was spot on. It's been a few months since I've "messed" it up, so I'm glad I finally have it down. I really do prefer it over the DHH as there are some strings that are tough to tighten the second hitch. The parnell always seems to have a well cinched up knot.
 
#41
It's a matter of terminology, as you tighten up the first loop by pulling on the second loop , then pull the tail to close the second loop. If ttps is that messed up with doing this knot all he needs to do is practice it with a scrap string a few times and he would realize what is actually done. I'm sure he realizes that if he pulls the first loop tight too soon he will not get the tail in for the second loop, hence he would know not to do that. Just common sense.
I don't know where all the confusion is with all this. It's an easy knot. He just needs to tie it a few times is all.
It wasn't a matter of practice, but a matter of incorrect algorithm.

I was tightening the first loop as hard as I could.
Then I would use an awl to open the hole.
Then I would do the 2nd loop, and tighten that as hard as I could.
Then I would pull the tail as hard as I could.


@TimeToPlaySets dont believe everything you read on these boards. You do tighten the first half hitch you do not tighten the second loop. If you don’t believe me listen to @Richard Parnell tie his Me knot - The Parnell.
Finally, a crystal clear response
So, you do NOT tighten the first loop.
Wow, that makes it so much simpler and quicker.
Thanks!!
 
#45
It wasn't a matter of practice, but a matter of incorrect algorithm.

I was tightening the first loop as hard as I could.
Then I would use an awl to open the hole.
Then I would do the 2nd loop, and tighten that as hard as I could.
Then I would pull the tail as hard as I could.
Finally, a crystal clear response
So, you do NOT tighten the first loop.
Wow, that makes it so much simpler and quicker.
Thanks!!
There are several possibilities:
Either you're on drugs or you're a quarterly drunk.
Maybe you also have problems tying your shoelaces.
That would explain your countless abstruse questions, or you're just a troll who wants to keep the forum in suspense.
It may also be that you don't understand these simple steps because you suffer from dyslexia or you are a complete idiot.
But it could also be that I am completely wrong and you only have two left hands - then by the way I would have the rackets covered by a professional.
 
#46
I thought the 2,325 videos were quite clear on tying a Parnell.
Actually, this was precisely the problem.
The #1 most popular video for Parnell is WRONG.

Watch closely and he TIGHTENS THE FIRST LOOP.
So, this is what I did for the last year.

Only when I started watching videos of Gamma Progression ELS
did I notice that the first loop was NOT BEING TIGHTENED AT ALL

That is when I started this thread.

@fritzhimself abusive post,
conflicting instruction in the stringing world.

 
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#47
@TimeToPlaySets .
Evidently you did not listen to the audio of that video, as he was specific that you tighten that 1st loop, but not before you go over , under and through again. Listen at that point of the video.He is not wrong, but you are, but I'm sure you will never admit to that. Don't blame yulitle for your ignorance. Listen to the audio while you are watching it, he made it very clear.
He made a number of very helpful videos for stringers years ago.They cover most all aspects of stringing and has helped many new stringers get a good jump start. You are the only one to complain of his videos in a number of years.
It just makes common sense that you would not tighten that first loop just to open it up again. Hard time believe you did that for a year!? I don't think many would do that for that long of time, and admit to that as well.
I thought that @Rabbit was correct that you were having us on for sport, but I guess not.
 
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#48
If I wanted audio, I would listen to a knot tying podcast.
And if the audio says NOT to tighten it, why does the idiot do the OPPOSITE of what he is saying?


1) At 14 seconds, he has tightened the living hell out of the first loop BEFORE doing the 2nd loop

2) Watch closely at 15 seconds. He now LOOSENS the first loop !!
(This can only be done with an awl on tennis strings)

Apparently, based on the other video, all of this is totally unnecessary.
Hopefully this thread will help others who have been misled by this popular Parnell video
 
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Dags

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There’s an unusually large amount of goodwill in this sub-forum, with experienced and knowledgeable posters displaying extreme patience to assist others no matter how challenged they may appear. I suspect you’re one of the few who have used up all your credit.

Good luck with your future stringing woes. My final advice to you: pay a professional to string your racquets.
 
#50
Actually, I get lots of PM's thanking me for the clarity of my posts.

I laid out my argument with 2 videos and timestamps, and I am clearly right.
If you don't understand what I am saying, that is your problem, not mine.
 
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