Pat Cash accuses Nick Kyrgios of 'cheating and gamesmanship' at Wimbledon

reaper

Legend
I didn’t watch the match.

Can someone summarize what Pat Cash is whining about?

I'm not sure it's cheating but there's a hell of a gamesmanship. For example serving early in the 5th with Nakashima break point down Kyrgios made a ridiculous challenge on a Nakashima ace that was several inches inside both lines. Kyrgios then blamed the umpire for his failed challenge, disrupting the server's rhythm by delaying the next point. Instead of simply saying "Time" loudly into the microphone, with a view to commencing the code violation process, the umpire engaged in the conversation with Kyrgios. The leniency of officialdom allows a situation to develop where Kyrgios is controlling the on court dynamic, with his opponent just an extra to be manipulated according to Kyrgios's mood.
 

Grieeegoorr

Semi-Pro
What’s Cash playing at really, when did he ever listen to an old fogey telling him to pull his head in. Is he just trying to get into Kyrgios’s head? Did he put his house on Nadal or Djokovic taking the title?
 

Visionary

Hall of Fame
"Cash" is the name of the "gamesmanship" of the tournament that sanctions based on place of birth. What do you think this guy would say if he were born in Moscow?
 

Mr.Lob

G.O.A.T.
So far his cheating, abuse and manipulation are working. Expect it to escalate the deeper he goes. Expect a blow up fine of around $50,000 when a loss is staring him in the face. Makes McEnroe look like a silly school boy in comparison.
 
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antony

Hall of Fame
i think he means with all the gamesmanship like complaining to umpire and hitting underhand serve and yelling Good shot,, when you hit the back fence with the return on his serve
That’s what umpires are for, they’re legal shots, I like cheeky sarcasm, and I love it when other players lose their temper.
 

Djokovicfan

Professional
I think pat cash is bitter about 3 things.

1. His last name is “cash” but he has none.

2. Kyrgios hasnt won wimbledon but earns more in a month than pat cash has earned in his entire life.

3. Nobody knows (or has ever known) who the fuq he is.

SNAP!
 

Zardoz7/12

Hall of Fame
I was listening to Pat Cash commentating on the Kyrgios vs Tsitsipas match and he really comes across upset and bitter, I always thought of Pat as jovial and pleasant.

He basically called this Wimbledon a complete farce and he doesn't like Kyrgios....John Lloyd and the Scottish co-commentator just said nothing, possibly in shock.
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
I guess everyone who wants to have a say is having a say right now. It’s certainly sparking interest in the happenings of Nick K and probably allowing the others to go about their business and fly under the radar as they head to the semi finals.
I wonder how all this stuff compares to the going’s on in previous decades. I thought the Connors, Mcnroe, Borg, Lendl times were quite interesting and in the women’s the Chris Evert, Martina, Stefanie Graf and Monica Seles was interesting.
I was just wondering what people think about the culture of tennis right now compared to previous decades. I for one felt the Sampras, Agassi, Edberg, Wilander, Cash, Rafter, Safin and Goran I was quite a contrast to the 80’s and now. Then you have this long period of Serena, Roger, Rafa, Novak and Lleyton sprinkled in between eras to consider.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
i learned eventually that a lot of these former second-tier great players were total wankers, specifically him and Wilander and Nastase
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
i learned eventually that a lot of these former second-tier great players were total wankers, specifically him and Wilander and Nastase
What’s the story with Mats Wilander? I know Nastase was quite a character and funny sometimes but I thought Mats was part of that cool Swede group when Anders Yarryd was the odd one out being the hot head:
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
Come to think of it, it’s not the first time a former Australian tennis star hasn’t had a go at a current player. John Newcombe once made a comparison between Pat Cash and Mats Wilander saying that the difference between Wilander and Cash was like comparing the Grand Canyon to a crack in the wall and I don’t think Pat liked that. Maybe Newk was trying to stir Pat up so he would win a major.
 

ChrisJR3264

Hall of Fame
Calling him out for cheating is a bit extreme here. I don’t see that at all and honestly that’s just pure jealousy and over the top. Don’t be that type of hater.

as for the on court antics and behavior , I can’t disagree. Even if it’s just bickering with the umpire or his box, it does get excessive and crosses down the line of disrespectful and unprofessional. His round 4 match behavior seemed a bit more tamed. But his antics can really be over the top
 
It is borderline cheating to constantly shout stuff, to keep on complaining and to be such a nuisance all the time. It has to be very distracting for the opponent. It's like a underhand ploy to disturb the opponent. Thats borderline/low grade cheating.
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
It's amazing to me that there are people who unironically support Kyrgios. Watch any press conference of his, he is so mean, abrasive and obnoxious. He constantly abuses the media by misconstruing or deliberately misinterpreting their valid questions and gets away with it every time because the moderator moves on to the next journalist. He even uses spray-on hair. He's just an embarrassment.
 

antony

Hall of Fame
It's amazing to me that there are people who unironically support Kyrgios. Watch any press conference of his, he is so mean, abrasive and obnoxious. He constantly abuses the media by misconstruing or deliberately misinterpreting their valid questions and gets away with it every time because the moderator moves on to the next journalist. He even uses spray-on hair. He's just an embarrassment.
I would’ve been mean, abrasive, and obnoxious to the Daily Express guy that interviewed him in the last post match interview too though.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Come to think of it, it’s not the first time a former Australian tennis star hasn’t had a go at a current player. John Newcombe once made a comparison between Pat Cash and Mats Wilander saying that the difference between Wilander and Cash was like comparing the Grand Canyon to a crack in the wall and I don’t think Pat liked that. Maybe Newk was trying to stir Pat up so he would win a major.
Ouch.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Come to think of it, it’s not the first time a former Australian tennis star hasn’t had a go at a current player. John Newcombe once made a comparison between Pat Cash and Mats Wilander saying that the difference between Wilander and Cash was like comparing the Grand Canyon to a crack in the wall and I don’t think Pat liked that. Maybe Newk was trying to stir Pat up so he would win a major.

These Aussies certainly don't hold back at putting each other down especially Newcombe. :oops:

I was reminded of another story about him doing something similar when he met fellow Aussie Mark Edmondson in the final of the 1976 AO. Edmondson was unseeded and a surprise finalist and he overheard Newcombe boasting to his friends that the final would be a fairly routine straight setter for him. This fired Edmondson up to produce one of his best ever performances to beat Newcombe and win the title becoming the last Aussie man to do so.:cool:
 
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ChrisJR3264

Hall of Fame
I guess everyone who wants to have a say is having a say right now. It’s certainly sparking interest in the happenings of Nick K and probably allowing the others to go about their business and fly under the radar as they head to the semi finals.
I wonder how all this stuff compares to the going’s on in previous decades. I thought the Connors, Mcnroe, Borg, Lendl times were quite interesting and in the women’s the Chris Evert, Martina, Stefanie Graf and Monica Seles was interesting.
I was just wondering what people think about the culture of tennis right now compared to previous decades. I for one felt the Sampras, Agassi, Edberg, Wilander, Cash, Rafter, Safin and Goran I was quite a contrast to the 80’s and now. Then you have this long period of Serena, Roger, Rafa, Novak and Lleyton sprinkled in between eras to consider.

I mean part of me agrees with Kyrgios on certain topics. And we’ve seen outbursts from top players before. Example for someone like titsipas who was constantly breaking rules and cheating matches for coaching or 15 min bathroom breaks with his bag in the lockerroom at the end of sets. Even Murray let the umpire know about it.

the umpires in the chair also need to do a better job calling a match fairly. Earlier in the Aussie open Shapo was calling out the time violation rules Rafa was getting away with the entire match. I don’t agree with shapo or his attitude for the most part but umps Are not consistently enforcing rules either.

nick was also 100000% right that if he were the one that drilled those balls into the crowd and it bounced and hit a fan or was 2 mm away from their head, he would’ve easily been DQ’d.
 

ChrisJR3264

Hall of Fame
It's amazing to me that there are people who unironically support Kyrgios. Watch any press conference of his, he is so mean, abrasive and obnoxious. He constantly abuses the media by misconstruing or deliberately misinterpreting their valid questions and gets away with it every time because the moderator moves on to the next journalist. He even uses spray-on hair. He's just an embarrassment.
Hmm I’m not sure if it’s full support or judging by the moment. Sometimes he’s correct on issues he just relays it in a raw emotional manner. Which I don’t agree with. I also don’t like the fact he has to pull on court antics like he does at 27 years old.

but if you’re his opponent and you see the BS he’s pulling, do us a favor and don’t pull a stefanos that makes you look 5x worse than nick. See the match Sinner played against him earlier this year. Ice in his veins. No flinch or show of reaction. Just go about your business
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
Hmm I’m not sure if it’s full support or judging by the moment. Sometimes he’s correct on issues he just relays it in a raw emotional manner. Which I don’t agree with. I also don’t like the fact he has to pull on court antics like he does at 27 years old.

but if you’re his opponent and you see the BS he’s pulling, do us a favor and don’t pull a stefanos that makes you look 5x worse than nick. See the match Sinner played against him earlier this year. Ice in his veins. No flinch or show of reaction. Just go about your business


Agreed, bad coaching by Moratoglu and Stefanos' father that he wasn't prepared for this.
 

ChrisJR3264

Hall of Fame
Agreed, bad coaching by Moratoglu and Stefanos' father that he wasn't prepared for this.
Can’t blame coaching for this. Stefanos is also a punk and very soft mentally. He bends/breaks rules all the time. His box chatting at medvedev at AO semis is pure example the officials need to step it up
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
Can’t blame coaching for this. Stefanos is also a punk and very soft mentally. He bends/breaks rules all the time. His box chatting at medvedev at AO semis is pure example the officials need to step it up

He seemed terribly unprepared for these inevitable distractions
 

Lorenn

Hall of Fame
I was listening to Pat Cash commentating on the Kyrgios vs Tsitsipas match and he really comes across upset and bitter, I always thought of Pat as jovial and pleasant.

He basically called this Wimbledon a complete farce and he doesn't like Kyrgios....John Lloyd and the Scottish co-commentator just said nothing, possibly in shock.

It was interesting to her McEnroe after the match. Basically he was looking back at how he acted in the past and maybe finally seeing how he was wrong:)
 

Lorenn

Hall of Fame
the umpires in the chair also need to do a better job calling a match fairly. Earlier in the Aussie open Shapo was calling out the time violation rules Rafa was getting away with the entire match. I don’t agree with shapo or his attitude for the most part but umps Are not consistently enforcing rules either.

Nick has past history. That is the reason they tend to be slightly less lax with him. Same reason they tend to give a warning first. Nick is kinda pre warned because of his long history.

The issue is not with the umpires, but the Tour. The Tour needs to empower the Umpires to do so and I feel they are kinda telling them not too...
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
I was listening to Pat Cash commentating on the Kyrgios vs Tsitsipas match and he really comes across upset and bitter, I always thought of Pat as jovial and pleasant.

He basically called this Wimbledon a complete farce and he doesn't like Kyrgios....John Lloyd and the Scottish co-commentator just said nothing, possibly in shock.

I think Kyrgios achieves the bad boy rebel image that Cash wishes he could have and he's salty about that.
 

Pumpkin

Professional
I saw an exhibition tournament where Cash was the coach giving advice to Kyrgios between games. Kyrgios didn't listen to anything Cash was saying and didnt even make eye contact with him. It was awkward. So Cash has a chip on his shoulder against Kyrgios.
 
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