Pat Cash calls Fed out. LMAO @ Fed "Wawrinka took an MTO, so I took one"

[octobrina10]

2005 - AO semis vs Safin, YEC final vs Nalbandian
2007 - Indian Wells R64 vs Canas
2008 - Masters Cup RR vs Murray
2012 - Wimbledon R16 vs Malisse
2017 - AO semis & final

That's 7 in total. Nadal takes that many in a year. Nishikori takes about 30 per year.

Plus:

 

[kalyan4fedever]

Old timers are clearly Jealous that Federer is the undisputed GOAT....OP you are one saying Federer is lock...thanks anti jinx worked

 

[BVSlam]

I knew some very easily identifiable members here were not going to like Sunday's result, but the extent of their pain baffles me. Two days have passed since the final and it seems it hasn't gotten any better. This really, really affects some people badly it seems.

 

[Russeljones]

A MTO during a set, before the opponent's serve:

Of course, the infamous ruse to unsettle the mighty Xavier and give underdog Roger a fighting chance at 4-3 in the 1st set.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Just because it's Fed, worshippers are defending him. Anyone else would be put on the stake by the herd.

Taking MTOs right before the fifth set in consecutive matches. Mockery lol

I think what he was saying is that certain others do it a lot more and in more questionable scenarios, so if he is genuinely injured and has the option, he's not going to feel guilty about it.

Also, this thread:
"Federer just beat his main rival and won a Grand Slam in epic fairytale fashion, but he also took an MTO and said something about Stan after, SO JOKES ON HIM! LOL!"
Weak.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

I knew some very easily identifiable members here were not going to like Sunday's result, but the extent of their pain baffles me. Two days have passed since the final and it seems it hasn't gotten any better. This really, really affects some people badly it seems.

Nah for the first two days they were so aggrieved that they couldn't even post. Now comes the bellyaching.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Fed took a MTO after losing the 4th set.

Eh. Okay.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Remember Roger in his post-match interviews. Said he learned a lot from playing Rafa and that it made him a better player. So the strategic MTO should fall in that line of thinking too.

I love Federer's low-key banter in interviews. Talking smack about Djokovic, for instance. I wish they'd all do it more. It puts more on the line when they go out and play if they have witty off-court feuds as well.

 

[uliks]

A MTO during a set, before the opponent's serve:

What a cheater, my god. First 2012 Wimbledon, and now 2017 AO. Cheating your way to the victory. Hoping the other guys learned something up until now and they will not fall for this guy's acts, next time he try to cheat his way to another Slam title... Disgusting...

 

[Deleted member 688153]

My favorite thing is all the Federer fans defending Fed for taking the MTOs, when they're ready to prosecute any other player every time. Pot, meet kettle.

I've defended it, but actually I don't care all that much. I don't complain when Nadal does it either, even though that's often more questionable.
Excuses are for losers.

 

[Ralph]

I knew some very easily identifiable members here were not going to like Sunday's result, but the extent of their pain baffles me. Two days have passed since the final and it seems it hasn't gotten any better. This really, really affects some people badly it seems.

Much evidence on this forum of the various stages of grief:

• SHOCK
• DENIAL
• ANGER
• BARGAINING
• GUILT
• "DEPRESSION", REFLECTION, LONELINESS
• ACCEPTANCE & HOPE

 

[-NN-]

I've defended it, but actually I don't care all that much. I don't complain when Nadal does it either, even though that's often more questionable.
Excuses are for losers.

What's the point. Nobody has brought up the on-court coaching that seemed to be going on nor the lack of time violations. Federer took matters into his own hands in set 5 by complaining audibly about Nadal's timewasting, at which point he transformed into Belligerenter and won the match, as one does. It's simple really. Roger was pissed at Nadal's slow play and won the match. The key to the match was Nadal's slow play.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

What a cheater, my god. First 2012 Wimbledon, and now 2017 AO. Cheating your way to the victory. Hoping the other guys learned something up until now and they will not fall for this guy's acts, next time he try to cheat his way to another Slam title... Disgusting...

Yeah, cheating at 4-3 in the first against a career journeyman.
I can list multiple incidents of Djokovic actually breaking the rules, if you'd like. Like every time he has received a time violation and been docked actual first serves and points for it. And broken racquets on the regular. And sworn at the crowd/umpire/his own box.

But I won't. Because excuses are for losers.

 

[octobrina10]

I've defended it, but actually I don't care all that much. I don't complain when Nadal does it either, even though that's often more questionable.
Excuses are for losers.

Rafa's medical treatments have been questionable in the eyes of Fed worshippers.

 

[octobrina10]

Eh. Okay.

After cheating.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

What's the point. Nobody has brought up the on-court coaching that seemed to be going on nor the lack of time violations. Federer took matters into his own hands in set 5 by complaining audibly about Nadal's timewasting, at which point he transformed into Belligerenter and won the match, as one does. It's simple really. Roger was pissed at Nadal's slow play and won the match. The key to the match was Nadal's slow play.

Nice profile picture.

I think the key to the match was Federer overcoming his mental demons more than anything, though.

 

[-NN-]

Nice profile picture.

I think the key to the match was Federer overcoming his mental demons more than anything, though.

Only possible due to his resilience on the backhand (as demonstrated all tournament long so not specific to the Noodle match) and Nadal not being able to bully it much as usual in the conditions and because he's not Peakdal. This set a platform for mental strength for the first time in world history to make a small difference during a match. Without this dynamic, the illusion of mental strength would have been much harder to pull off.

 

[Chanwan]

Nice profile picture.

I think the key to the match was Federer overcoming his mental demons more than anything, though.

You're were live right? Must have been the match of your life!

 

[Deleted member 688153]

After cheating.

What I said in my post to uliks goes for Nadal just as much.
Even ignoring the MTOs - On-court coaching from Toni practically every match and constant time-wasting and time violations and being docked serves and points for it.

Look, I have no problems with Nadal or Djokovic, and I'm not even salty about their rule violations, but this is ridiculous.
Nadalovic fans don't get to lecture Federer fans about rule violations and cheating. Not today, not any day.

Both constantly flout the time rule - an actual rule. That's the definition of cheating.
Taking an MTO isn't cheating in and of itself - and I fail to see how someone who does it as infrequently as Federer and who almost seems embarrassed about having to do so can be accused of cheating when his opponent (Nadal) does it like it's going out of fashion. Unless you have proof he's not injured, you can't say it's cheating.
The time rule (Nadal and Djokovic), on-court coaching rule (Nadal), abuse of equipment rule (Djokovic), and abuse of officials/crowd rule (Djokovic) are rules which they clearly flout on an almost per-match basis, and have been pulled up for by umpires and commentators time and time again.

Federer has broken his racquet like three times in his career. He's taken single-digit MTOs since becoming a top player. And he never breaks the time or on-court coaching rules.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[AllCourtHeathen]

He literally just copied what Nadal and Djokovic have been doing for years to even the playing field vs them. He even had the decency and class to do it between sets, rather than at 5-2 down like "ahem" some.

Pat Cash is a loser / idiot and I doubt Fed cares what he thinks.

Good post, agree on both points.

Nadal and Ultron have been blatantly using the MTO as a mental breather to get their heads straight, even wawrinka (and he's a fave of mine) look at what he did in the semis, he had a complete meltdown, crying and weeping, at his imminent straight sets loss, so he "chucked a sickie" as we put it here, hid in the dunnies for ten minutes, and took a few deep breaths, breathed into a paper bag, had a bong, had a xanax whatever, and came out poised again.

Glad Federer decided to play on their level, every little bit counts.

edit:
And agreed on Pat Cash, the bloke's an irrelevant flog. And a seedy weirdo. He's STILL wearing that stupid earring, and even that headband. It's like he's frozen in time, and can't understand why humanity isn't worshipping him as a God. He should change his name to Xerxes. Maybe it's botox poisoning. Or dermal filler overdose.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

You're were live right? Must have been the match of your life!

It was epic mate.

 

[MasturB]

If you actually watched the Malisse Wimby 2012 match you'd see Fed absolutely needed a trainer.

It was hilarious. He was barely moving. He was volleying and swinging volleying in no man's land because he couldn't run to get in position for a real shot. He was serving like 90mph everything just arming the serves since his back sucked and had very little knee bend.

 

[Chanwan]

It was epic mate.

an emotional rollercoaster in front of the tv as well. and then the perfect ending!

What I said in my post to uliks goes for Nadal just as much.
Even ignoring the MTOs - On-court coaching from Toni practically every match and constant time-wasting and time violations and being docked serves and points for it.

Look, I have no problems with Nadal or Djokovic, and I'm not even salty about their rule violations, but this is ridiculous.
Nadalovic fans don't get to lecture Federer fans about rule violations and cheating. Not today, not any day.

Both constantly flout the time rule - an actual rule. That's the definition of cheating.
Taking an MTO isn't cheating in and of itself - and I fail to see how someone who does it as infrequently as Federer and who almost seems embarrassed about having to do so can be accused of cheating when his opponent (Nadal) does it like it's going out of fashion. Unless you have proof he's not injured, you can't say it's cheating.
The time rule (Nadal and Djokovic), on-court coaching rule (Nadal), abuse of equipment rule (Djokovic), and abuse of officials/crowd rule (Djokovic) are rules which they clearly flout on an almost per-match basis, and have been pulled up for by umpires and commentators time and time again.

Federer has broken his racquet like three times in his career. He's taken single-digit MTOs since becoming a top player. And he never breaks the time or on-court coaching rules.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

what did guy said. End thread/

 

[octobrina10]

...People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Fed worshipers should keep that in mind when they are attacking players not named Fed.

 

[mandy01]

Don't cry. All these years, you had no problem with RAFA doing it and now you have problems with Roger returning the favour.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Fed worshipers should keep that in mind when they are attacking players not named Fed.

Which I almost never do except in defence.
Why stoop to their level?

 

[Noelan]

Hypocrisy is this thread...

and Cash guy is Fed hater obviously

 

[-NN-]

Sorry if already posted.

 

[RF-18]

What I said in my post to uliks goes for Nadal just as much.
Even ignoring the MTOs - On-court coaching from Toni practically every match and constant time-wasting and time violations and being docked serves and points for it.

Look, I have no problems with Nadal or Djokovic, and I'm not even salty about their rule violations, but this is ridiculous.
Nadalovic fans don't get to lecture Federer fans about rule violations and cheating. Not today, not any day.

Both constantly flout the time rule - an actual rule. That's the definition of cheating.
Taking an MTO isn't cheating in and of itself - and I fail to see how someone who does it as infrequently as Federer and who almost seems embarrassed about having to do so can be accused of cheating when his opponent (Nadal) does it like it's going out of fashion. Unless you have proof he's not injured, you can't say it's cheating.
The time rule (Nadal and Djokovic), on-court coaching rule (Nadal), abuse of equipment rule (Djokovic), and abuse of officials/crowd rule (Djokovic) are rules which they clearly flout on an almost per-match basis, and have been pulled up for by umpires and commentators time and time again.

Federer has broken his racquet like three times in his career. He's taken single-digit MTOs since becoming a top player. And he never breaks the time or on-court coaching rules.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

It doesn't matter how many times Fed has taken MTO's compared to Djokovic and Nadal cause that doesn't make it any less tactical. You are not cheating when taking an MTO, but Federer confessed that he did actually take it for tactical reasons.

Many people that attacked others for taking an MTO without even knowing the issue, are now defending Federer who even confessed there was tactics behind his MTO.

Djokovic and Nadal have done it aswell in the past, but you can safely say that Federer has done it aswell now and no matter if it is the first time or 10th time he did the exact same thing many other players do.

All players tries to bend the rules, it is normal. But it's not cheating, it is totally okey for you to take an MTO whenever you want. And I never had any problem with it aswell. I don't understand how someone can get affected cause your opponent takes a break or something.

 

[octobrina10]

Don't cry. All these years, you had no problem with RAFA doing it and now you have problems with Roger returning the favour.

Fed has taken MTOs throughout his career.

 

[mandy01]

Fed has taken MTOs throughout his career.

No, he hasn't. Taking one MTO in a 9 month season in generally non-important matches pales in comparison with the rubbish RAFA pulls out.

Not to mention, Roger has usually lost most of those matches clearly indicating a genuine problem.

 

[Sentinel]

A MTO during a set, before the opponent's serve:

If you want to be depressed for the next few months, so be it.

You should be happy that the two best players are back on top (at least for AO) and that your man has a very positive season coming up.

But you chose bitterness over positivity !

 

[RF-18]

If you want to be depressed for the next few months, so be it.

You should be happy that the two best players are back on top (at least for AO) and that your man has a very positive season coming up.

But you chose bitterness over positivity !

The posters point is that these people attack Nadal for his MTO's, while defending Federer when he does the exact same thing.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

It doesn't matter how many times Fed has taken MTO's compared to Djokovic and Nadal cause that doesn't make it any less tactical. You are not cheating when taking an MTO, but Federer confessed that he did actually take it for tactical reasons.

Many people that attacked others for taking an MTO without even knowing the issue, are now defending Federer who even confessed there was tactics behind his MTO.

Djokovic and Nadal have done it aswell in the past, but you can safely say that Federer has done it aswell now and no matter if it is the first time or 10th time he did the exact same thing many other players do.

All players tries to bend the rules, it is normal. But it's not cheating, it is totally okey for you to take an MTO whenever you want. And I never had any problem with it aswell. I don't understand how someone can get affected cause your opponent takes a break or something.

I made it clear that I have no problems with Nadal or Djokovic doing those things really - although apart from MTOs they are all blatant, direct rule violations.
I also don't mind if Federer or anyone else takes MTOs.

What I'm talking about is fans of Nadal and Djokovic thinking they have any standing to accuse Federer of being a cheater and rule violator.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Fed has taken MTOs throughout his career.

Precious few.

 

[Sysyphus]

The posters point is that these people attack Nadal for his MTO's, while defending Federer when he does the exact same thing.

Find yourself a nice place to sit down, preferably with an agreeable view, take some slow and deep breaths, picture a happy place; now open yourself a Lindor truffle and pour a generous glass of Moët, let it roll around the tongue for a bit before letting it roll down, then repeat cheerfully to yourself: "My username has never been more appropriate".

 

[tennis_pro]

Fed took at least 5 MTOs from 2003 through 2008. And that's not all.

Fed's MTOs from 2003 through 2008, after he fell behind (source: the Oregonian; I'm not sure this list includes all his MTO during that period):
- in the first set of the Wimbledon 2003 4th round against Feliziano Lopez after being down a break after the second game; he needed a back massage;
- in the fifth set of the Australian Open 2005 semifinal against Marat Safin after he fell behind in the set; he needed a back massage;
- in the fifth set of the Masters Cup 2005 final against David Nalbandian after he fell behind in the fifth set; he needed a leg massage;
- in the second set, down a set and a break, in the second round of Indian Wells in 2007 against Guillermo Canas to have his foot blisters retaped;
- in the third set of a round robin match at the 2008 Masters Cup against Andy Murray, after being down a break; he needed a back massage.

Now please list all Nadal's MTO's, thank you very much.

 

[Hitman's Gurl]

But Roger did not break any rules. He won fair and square. If he was cheating he would have been disqualified. Thank you Roger for 18 and thank you OP for your incessant jinxing.

 

[Bukmeikara]

Fed has taken MTOs throughout his career.

You should watch the AO 14 final to see how the crowd reacts against someone abusing the MTO rule

 

[I am the Greatest!]

Just because it's Fed, worshippers are defending him. Anyone else would be put on the stake by the herd.

Not really. Now that Roger Federer got his 18th Grand Slam, all his haters can cry all you want and make excuses, it still won't change a thing.

Taking MTOs right before the fifth set in consecutive matches. Mockery lol

This is incredibly funny if a Nadal fan say this to me.

 

[DreddyTennis45]

Looool remember the meltdown when Novak took an MTO at the USO final. There were like 10 different threads ffs.

If you think Fed taking an MTO was cheating even though Rafa was a break up and serving at 30-0 then you're a moron. Every player takes MTO's, big deal.

 

[metsman]

id love to know how many MTOs roger has taken his entire career, id say less than 10...pathetic novak took one to get his pinky toe wrapped down 2-5 in the 4th set against stan at the uso...u gotta see the difference here roger doesnt play games like that

Novak's was really bad because he didn't even do it at a changeover.

 

[metsman]

Yeah, cheating at 4-3 in the first against a career journeyman.
I can list multiple incidents of Djokovic actually breaking the rules, if you'd like. Like every time he has received a time violation and been docked actual first serves and points for it. And broken racquets on the regular. And sworn at the crowd/umpire/his own box.

But I won't. Because excuses are for losers.

Fed also lost the first set against Malisse.

 

[metsman]

You should watch the AO 14 final to see how the crowd reacts against someone abusing the MTO rule

2014 AO was fine..Nadal was actually pretty hurt(would probably have lost anyways because he was fine in the 1st set and still got wrecked) His serve and movement looked like crap.

2010 Wimby, 2011 RG, 2008 Hamburg/MC are the questionable ones. Most of the other ones are fine imo.

 

[octobrina10]

No, he hasn't. Taking one MTO in a 9 month season in generally non-important matches pales in comparison with the rubbish RAFA pulls out.

Not to mention, Roger has usually lost most of those matches clearly indicating a genuine problem.

2001:

 

[mandy01]

^Which part of the "most of them" do you not understand?

 

[octobrina10]

If you want to be depressed for the next few months, so be it.

You should be happy that the two best players are back on top (at least for AO) and that your man has a very positive season coming up.

But you chose bitterness over positivity !

I have no idea why you think I am depressed. Fed's MTOs are hilarious.

 

[Pagoo]

Understandably,some of the Nadal fans are reeling. They really thought they had this one. They were so sure (arrogant) they updated Nadal's wiki page before the match was over. The Beebs called them out for being so presumptuous.

Personally, this is my sweetest Federer victory ever.

 

[octobrina10]

You should watch the AO 14 final to see how the crowd reacts against someone abusing the MTO rule

Fed worshippers have behaved like hooligans everywhere, not only at the 2014 AO.

 

[-NN-]

The posters point is that these people attack Nadal for his MTO's, while defending Federer when he does the exact same thing.

You seem thrilled about Fed bagging #18.

Understandably,some of the Nadal fans are reeling. They really thought they had this one. They were so sure (arrogant) they updated Nadal's wiki page before the match was over. The Beebs called them out for being so presumptuous.

Personally, this is my sweetest Federer victory ever.

Really? lol