Pat Cash instruction on Tennis Channel Academy

Ash_Smith said:
^^^ Is it really great trolling if everybody knows it's trolling?
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Well. No. But great in a rainman way. Like someone with a mental disorder keeps saying the same thing. And everybody gives up trying to correct him. I actually think there is something more going on with him than meets the eye. I have know a few people like him before. They get joy out of putting others down. Passive aggressive narcissist behavior.
 
sureshs said:
Why don't you ask the person who said that?

Seriously, he was only refering to the finish. You obviously need to pronate before contact. But not continue through extremely like Petros and injure yourself.

In the slice serve, you don't need to pronate if you don't want to. I think you mentioned it too.

Think outside the box.
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Sad. I think maybe you never were good at throwing. If I could make you good at throwing like LeeD is, you would understand how crucial pronation is...
julian said:
Pl replace green serve by green shirt
Sorry
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actually they both work if you take green to mean "novice"
 
Shroud said:
Sad. I think maybe you never were good at throwing. If I could make you good at throwing like LeeD is, you would understand how crucial pronation is...
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But I would not like to lose 0-6 or DF 3 times in a row.

Not that there is anything wrong with that. Federer has lost 0-6 to Nadal and DF-ed 3 times in a row.
 
No pronation serves can be pretty reliable - people know that. Trying to use a good service motion and put more juice on the ball against a high level player like LeeD did can lead to more errors. LeeD has a nice service motion..
 
sureshs said:
But I would not like to lose 0-6 or DF 3 times in a row.

Not that there is anything wrong with that. Federer has lost 0-6 to Nadal and DF-ed 3 times in a row.
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Matt would beat you 6-0 regardless. And fwiw you had some dubs in that doubles vid. We all do.
 
Don't compare with with Federer.
I"m lefty.
Being lefty means I"m prone to make countless dumb mistakes, try the same thing over and over, and expect different results.
 
From that gif it seems to me that Sureshs serves with a forehand grip. As a result, he must not pronate, to keep the racket face lined up toward the ball through contact. He doesn't pronate either before or after contact.

Can't really compare that to what Serena is doing. On that Serena gif, her pronation seems to stop before contact, which is OK for the slice, but then doesn't seem to fully pronate later either. I might give it a try and see if it works. I would probably find it uncomfortable bringing my arm back in front of my body without full pronation after contact. For me pronation after contact is about comfort.
 
Attila_the_gorilla said:
From that gif it seems to me that Sureshs serves with a forehand grip. As a result, he must not pronate, to keep the racket face lined up toward the ball through contact. He doesn't pronate either before or after contact.

Can't really compare that to what Serena is doing. On that Serena gif, her pronation seems to stop before contact, which is OK for the slice, but then doesn't seem to fully pronate later either. I might give it a try and see if it works. I would probably find it uncomfortable bringing my arm back in front of my body without full pronation after contact. For me pronation after contact is about comfort.
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Ian's "Pronate on ALL Serves" video shows ATP Pro Tim Smyczek achieving 180 degrees of pronation, on both flat and slice serves.

I would not say that Serena "stops pronating before contact". Her pronation is slightly less pronounced than
Smyczek's.

The Serena gif below starts from the "Big L" position, with racquet on edge, and forearm in a 0 degree pronated position. At contact, she is in a 90 degree pronated position.She eventually finishes with palm outwards and racquet facing towards towards the right net post to achieve approximately 150 degrees pronation.

I find Smyczek's 180 degrees of pronation more comfortable rather than Serena's relatively less pronounced 150 degrees of pronation. But in either case, pronation occurs on both Smyczek's and Serena's slice serves.

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I'm not talking about what people usually do, personally I fully pronate after contact on all serves for a comfortable follow through.

Maybe the Serena gif is too blurry, that's why I can't see clearly what happens after contact. All that is clear is that her pronation momentarily stops before contact. After that it's too blurry to tell.

If you can see clearly which way her racket is facing after contact, then you're looking at a different footage.
 
sureshs said:
See some of my great 121 mph serves in the very first game of this video.

I have since improved much much more.

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I work with a radar gun every day.
Show me the readout of your gun with the number 121
I call your bluff
For example Ferrer was hitting today 98 miles per hour average today
paying in London.
 
julian said:
How can I assss a serve without a video?
I assume that the serve was IN?
It would be good to provide the name of the device
Once more I assume it is a joke.
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If you've watched the video of his serve you would know that he barely reaches 60 mph...if that.
 
You could smoke a cigarette and make about half a dozen posts on TTW before that serve even hits the service box (assuming he finally gets it in and doesn't double fault).

My father at 69 years old has a harder and way more technically sound serve then whatever the heck that is in the video. And that is no exaggeration.
 
I can't stop laughing, best entertainment on TTW by far whenever sureshs posts. Please Tennis Warehouse moderators, never ban this guy, ever!
 
sureshs said:
No it was meant to be assess.

Get it right at least once.
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Your engineering background stinks as well.
If you reference a device you provide a name of the device and a potential variance/error.
I know that my radar gun has an error around 10 miles per hour
so the readout of 126.9 could be really 115 miles per hour.
On a top of it the location of a radar gun matters
 
julian said:
Your engineering background stinks as well.
If you reference a device you provide a name of the device and a potential variance/error.
I know that my radar gun has an error around 10 miles per hour
so the readout of 126.9 could be really 115 miles per hour.
On a top of it the location of a radar gun matters
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What are you talking about? Sureshs is trolling you! He showed you a photo of a radar gun with a number on it, nothing more. It's not his radar gun or his serve speed.
 
Julian - Sureshs serve is like 60mph. Any serve is good enough for mediocre players 3.5 and under guys to muff it up.. When guys start to get up to 4.0 they start to really be able to punish the slow mo serves.

I was playing mixed and my female partner - she hit a slow mo ace. It barely cleared the net - was out wide. Swear to god must been the slowest possible serve to get in the box - guy ran up to hit it to slow and totally missed it. Haha.
 
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