Patrick Kypson suspension

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Should Kypson be suspended?

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  1. Tennis pro

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    Patrick Kypson needs to be suspended. What do you guys think? Terrible behaviour.
     
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    Yea, pretty disgusting way to act after losing.
     
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    No, not worthy of suspension. While not sportsmanlike at all it was done in response to his opponent's over-the-top, in your face, gloating. Shake your opponent's hand first, then you can wave your arms all you want. I see both as acting poorly, but admit Kypson's actions were worse, just not worthy of suspension given other things I've seen at college matches.
     
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    If my opponent spit in his hand before offering to shake my hand, I would not shake his hand. I might laugh at him for spitting in his own hand, though. Or offer him a napkin.
     
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    Definitely worthy of a suspension. Longer the better.


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    Or I might tell him that if he is having a hard time holding onto his racquet, perhaps changing his overgrip might work better than spit.
     
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    As a former aggie, i think he needs to be suspended. Poor representation on the school/aggie behavior
     
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    You obviously didn't watch the match livestream. Kypsons behavior was horrific from the first game of the match. While his opponent did nothing and was a true sportsman. His celebration at the conclusion of the match was well warranted.
     
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    Again, nothing worse than I've seen from other college players who were not penalized. The no let rule in men's college tennis was brought about because almost every time someone hit a service winner their opponent would call a let. I'm not sure men's college tennis is exactly the bastion of sportsmanship. If you're going to suspend him then you're going to have to suspend a lot of others too because the bar is fairly low these days. I don't agree with it but it is what it is, unfortunately. I played college tennis for a national championship team, things were very different then...
     
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    Interesting, he didn't play against Tech today.
    Singles competition
    1. #67 Jordi Arconada (TAMU) def. Tommy Mylnikov (TT) 6-0, 7-5
    2. #35 Valentin Vacherot (TAMU) def. Connor Curry (TT) 6-3, 6-2
    3. Alex Sendegeya (TT) def. Juan Carlos Aguilar (TAMU) 6-2, 4-6, 7-5
    4. Ilgiz Valiev (TT) def. #97 AJ Catanzariti (TAMU) 6-4, 6-3
    5. Barnaby Smith (TAMU) def. Artem Kapshuk (TT) 6-2, 6-3
    6. Kevin Lam (TAMU) def. Jackson Cobb (TT) 3-6, 6-3, 6-3
     
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    very disappointing. Have watched Kypson play tournaments since he was 12 in Southern Section. Very good player and he is very confident, but this was a very poor decision on his part.
     
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    I was at that match....A few things happened beyond just this: first to note, Kypson and Wolf have a rivalry stretching back into Jr's with Kypson getting the upper hand last year at Kalamazoo. You could tell from the start that there was some "bad blood" between the two.

    Kypson immediately took control of the first set, and was taunting Wolf. He was swinging and missing at obviously out balls, doing stare downs, and taunting the crowd. Nothing provoked this except whatever animosity they had going into the match. Ohio State, while having a loud crowd, is not a nasty crowd. Its mostly adults and little kids in the stands not a bunch of rowdy students like at some of the SEC and Big 12 matches, so no reason to be taunting. The crowd is limited in size, sits on the of court 1, and behind 5 and 6; so is far away from 2,3 and 4. Its an awkward indoor set up that doesn't allow for boorish crowd behavior, so no need to be a problem out there.

    In the second set he continued with the taunting, and you could see there were some words being exchanged between games. Kypson also looked to have hooked on a few balls that were close, and got over turned once. Wolf had a close call and was overturned, and Kypson again was taunting the crowd unnecessarily. Wolf stayed pretty composed through this, but admittedly when he won the second set and got up in the third started pumping up to the crowd. Certainly he didn't do anything to the level of Kypson.

    The spitting in the hand was a "last straw", not an end all be all. And Steve Denton wasn't happy with it. Kypson sulked in his seat instead of cheering on his teammates who were fighting in what turned out to be a close match.

    No dog in this fight, I like OSU but not a huge fan and I went to and SEC school. With that said, I thought Kypson was over the top the whole match. With the hand spitting he was not only disrespectful, but a sore loser. Then with additionally not supporting his team after losing a match, he was leading, certainly cost them the match to some degree. His loss put unneeded pressure on Kinderich who was fighting a good fight against Torp but got out lasted.

    My understanding is Kypson has a history of this immature behavior, so sounds like some action needs to be taken before it spirals.

    So yes, I think suspending him a few matches is warranted.
     
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    I have heard from others and or seen on livestream poor behavior from Kypson at national juniors; he has argued continuously with refs about calls, been overruled multiple times in a match (supposedly players are to be defaulted after 3 overrules but that doesnt happen) -even in some matches where he was winning by a large margin. He was coded at Kzoo this summer for throwing a racket. There is obvious tension between him and certain refs-some of them may officiate at SEC events as well as national juniors so that behavior may come back to bite him later. Even when he was not arguing with refs, he could be seen stopping, staring, and giving dirty looks to refs and opponents. He is certainly at times not a good example of sportsmanship considering he has won both Kzoo 16s and 18s. He may not act that way in every match, but as one of the USTA PD kids who has boarded at USTA campuses, benefited from their coaches and traveled with other PD players and coaches, he should know better. He should treat every opponent, coach, ref, and team with respect whether he is at the US Open, a Challenger, a college match, or national juniors. He is likely to be one of the faces of American tennis in a few years, if not already. He should be held to a high standard after all USTA PD (and all your USTA membership $) have invested in him. It will be embarrassing to the US if he pulls stunts like he did at OSU on a global scale. I am sure he didn’t spit and taunt when he reached the Wimbledon jr SFs last summer.

    Kypson is the top ranked US player from the class of 2018-he started college early. Compare him to Blumberg and Wolf-top players from 2017 who started college early. I went to the NCAAs in May wanting to watch some of the top Americans and enjoyed watching both team and individual matches played by Blumberg and Wolf. They played with energy, confidence, skill, and poise under pressure. Now I try to watch their team matches when I can on livestream. I have heard people who have watched Kypson play that it was one of the worst matches (sportsmanship-wise) that they have ever seen. Which type of competitor will grow American tennis or encourage players to want to play the sport? Kypson, when I watch him on livestream, at times seemed sluggish or unfocused, but able to pull out an ace when needed to get a hold. Maybe he would play more consistently if he played his game rather than gaming his play.

    I think Kypson should be suspended from Nat Indoors to reflect on his choices. I assume he behaves when he plays Challengers. Maybe his coach and team encouraged this behavior; certainly some of the Texas teams have a reputation for encouraging over the top trash talk and taunting from the crowd. Kypson has had every opportunity from USTA PD for years-he should be a role model, not a sulking poor sport.

    FYI, Kypson and Wolf have played about once a year for the last 5 years. Before Wolf’s win at OSU, Kypson had defeated Wolf in close matches at 3 very important events-finals of Kzoo 2017 boys 18s (US Open MD WC at stake), round of 16 US Open juniors 2016, and SF of Kzoo 2015 boys 16s. Wolf last beat Kypson in 2014-probably USTA national boys 16s. After 3 years of losses with big stakes, Wolf earned his victory dance at OSU.
     
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    Spoiled punk - should be suspended.
     
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    Well.that was just filthy. Why didn't he just spit at him while he was walking to the net? Would have been just as effective. Celebration or not by Wolf, he didn't deserve that from Kypson.
     
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    I think there's a bit of difference between someone hooking you with bad calls vs. someone attempting to rub their bodily fluids on you because they're a sore loser/poor sportsman. The let rule came into play as a solution regarding the case of false let calls (poor sportsmanship) and it's non-biased as it affects both good and bad sports indiscriminately. But how do you propose policing this particular act? And yes.. you should suspend/punish anyone who stoops to this level of filthy behavior.
     
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    Unbelievable anyone would defend his actions based on supposed past acts of others. Acts of others have zero to do with this dude trying to slap his bodily fluid on an opponents hand.


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    And this kid is in a group of so called Tennis Mentors. For money they mentor aspiring juniors. I sure would'nt want this kid mentoring any junior - the other boys in this company should suspend him from this operation as well.
     
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    It looks like a bit of social media justice may have been issued for Kypson. I was able to find this "Tennis Mentors" thing and he doesn't seem to be listed any longer. You still find a link to his now blank former profile is you search for it but it's no longer directly linked from the site it seems.
     
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    Very interesting to see how his behavior is the exact opposite of what he preaches.
    Do you think Steve Denton will come up with an official statement?
    Highly doubt they will suspend him for National Indoors. They brought him to win the whole thing. Although, that would say much about Denton and TexasAM ethics.
     
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    I doubt that there will be any sort of official statement as this is really just a serious but not catastrophic error in judgement along with a general case of poor sportsmanship. I don't think he did anything that would tarnish the program given that TAMU has been a decently upstanding program. Denton will probably bench him for a couple of matches, warn him about his behavior going forward, and then monitor him from here on out. My guess is that Kypson won't be on the roster after this Spring anyway by his own choosing.
     
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    Did the chair or referee see any of this?!?!

    This is a National Championship, normally these are the better umpires.
     
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    Kypsons celebration at Kalamazoo was 10x worse than Wolfs. Probably the reason he did it. Not to mention all the crap kypson pulled during the match. If it were me my celebration would've been more over the top
     
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    Agree with everything being said here. However he is still young and obviously has a lot to learn. And hopefully he will learn his lesson.
     
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    Really? Could you give an example of a worse behavior?
     
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    The App State player recently? It's comparable at least.
     
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    that incident with App State player was a thrash talk that went both ways. not sure if it is in the same ballpark as what Kypson did.
     
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    Oh please, if his intention was to 'rub bodily fluids on you' he would have spit on his hand while his opponent was waving his arms in the air and not looking, he waited until his opponent was right in front of him and saw it, Kypson had no intention of shaking his hand and knew his opponent wouldn't shake his hand either, let's be real. As someone who likes and supports the sport and sees 10-12 matches a year across the country I am not defending his behavior, but as a former college player at the highest level I don't like what I see these days but let's not make more of this than what it is, from my experience he is not alone by a long shot when it comes to boorish behavior in men's college tennis.
     
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    It is what it is. Can you give us an example of what you've seen other players do (not bodily fluid-related) that is just as bad? Whether or not Kypson had any intention of shaking hands doesn't diminish the fact that what he did is filthy and his coaches should send a message to him that it won't be tolerated.
     
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    I have definitely seen (or had) a gamut of stuff happen:

    -Players serving hard at volleyers in doubles
    -intentional beaming, singles and doubles, or between points. Not talking about foot shot put aways, but going for the torso/head
    -I saw a kid throw the opponents racquet over the fence once, that was actually pretty funny

    Most of that stuff happened in low level college matches, with little supervision or refs; bush league. But, I have never seen something like this happen in a match with two top ten teams, 300 spectators with cell phones, refs and coaches right there watching, and two high profile players aiming to play on the tour.

    Kypson is an excellent player, he needs to figure this out if he is ever going to make it.
     
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    Have you seen the chair umpires at these matches? There are a few good ones, but mostly it is a senior citizen assistance program. These guys look half asleep. I am not sure they really know what is happening out there.

    Admittedly, I didn't catch the spitting thing until I saw the video later. At the time I saw Wolf not shake his hand, and then dance around afterward and thought Wolf was acting on his level. You could tell there were words between Wolf and Denton, and then Tucker and Denton, and Kypson became like Kryptonite on the sidelines everyone stayed away from him. But, you really didn't know why until later. Now knowing the story, back story and the spitting incident I am surprised Wolf didn't punch him; I actually applaud him for his restraint. I don't think many people in the crowd knew that had happened, or there might have been words. I definitely don't think the Texas A&M fans that were there knew as they were cheering and commenting as if nothing had happened.
     
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    The app state player stuff was also taken a bit out of context. I believe something was said to him first which triggered his response. Something about him being a white trust fund baby. Obviously not an ideal situation for either player and not right at all but not comparable in the slightest to Patrick kypsons actions.
     
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    As a former top 5 college tennis player. This is embarrassing and nothing can be said to defend him, his actions or behavior. He has a bad reputation and this just shows that the reputation proceeds him.
     
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    Not to mention the entire match was live streamed and is on a database recorded. Entire match can be re watched.
     
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    Slightly off topic - where can I rewatch the entire match?

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    This is exactly why college tennis is a great choice over turning pro for some. Obviously Kypson needs this time to mature as both a player and person and College tennis should do exactly that for him.
     
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    I don't think we'll see him in the college ranks after this season. Just my guess.
     
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    It's completely subjective but some forms of unsportmanslike conduct absolutely warrant a stronger response. I've had all those things you've mentioned happen personally during my collegiate days. None of that phased me in the slightest and it was all done during the heat of battle (during the match). I expected it. The worst thing I've encountered that would be right up there (and possibly worse than Kypson's offense) is when my opponent, after losing to me, called me the n-word during the handshake. A handshake is in sports at the end of a competition is meant to be a sign of respect in my opinion. Kypson's action absolutely devalued that gesture.
     
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    Thats pretty bad, and crosses the line. I would have to add (IMO) that in tennis sportsmanship is everything. Players that don't adhere to this should be quickly dealt with, or quickly pushed out no matter their ability. Its not up to umpires, its up to the coaches and parents in the JR levels. I totally agree with you, the handshake is everything; its the confirmation respect.

    In the end, its tennis. Its a Sport, we aren't doing brain surgery. No place for racist remarks or poor sportsmanship. Unfortunately sportsmanship isn't taught anymore, and its left up to others to police. sad
     
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    Deadspin has a quote from Texas A&M coach: https://deadspin.com/tennis-player-ducks-handshake-after-opponent-seems-to-s-1822937369

    Texas A&M responded to our request this evening with the following comment from men’s tennis head coach Steve Denton:

    “Sportsmanship and respect are pillars of the sport of tennis and Texas A&M, and Patrick Kypson’s actions at the conclusion of his match at Ohio State were counter to that. He has been appropriately disciplined for his behavior. Patrick’s not only remorseful for what he did, but is acting on that to show that he learned a valuable lesson. We will support him in that effort. We have addressed his actions with him and with our friends at Ohio State.”
     
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    Reading between the lines. Kypson is suspended for 1 match because Wolf avoided touching the his spit? I guess the statement means the punishment is private. Oh well.


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    "Suspended indefinitely, or until we need him for indoors"
    -coach Denton;)
     
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    Probably one match and he's on "probation" of sorts. I'd like to think that there's going to be a lot more interest in supervising/watching his matches. Word will definitely spread after this incident and I'm sure the opposing fans will be vigilant.
     
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    Some fans may try getting under his skin. I can see it now.


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    You can bet if opposing fans have learned of this or if he acts up during a match, they will be on him. It will be interesting to see how he handles it.
     
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    Some of the students who are buddies with the teams will know. You’re right, will be interesting to see how it goes.


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    UGA fans gave one opponent a hard time last year because he drank pedialyte. I wouldnt be surprised to see gigantic bottle of hand sanitizer on benches or other references when TAM plays Athens in March. And at least .5 million tennis or sports fans have read about this-just on the original video, there were 350K views, and that does not count views of retweets. The episode made Sports Center twitter too. Tennis gets the notice of the basketball and football guys only because a tennis player spit... Hope all this poor behavior settles down before Tennis Channel ends up sponsoring its first reality series Southern Boys Behaving Badly with Tennys, Ryan, Spencer, and Kypson all confined to a house with no cell phones, multiple hidden mikes, and a tennis court to see who can survive the longest...
     
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    Everyone ought to watch the utube video of the Boys 18 Kalamazoo final match point. And watch how Wolf handles his loss after a 4 plus hour match. That's a true sportsman. Quite a contrast.
     
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    Wow. Very impressive by JJ Wolf. That's true sportsmanship, not to mention how a mature professional tennis player acts. Losing in 5 sets, as you can imagine is heartbreaking and for an 18 year old to do that is admirable. Especially for younger players aspiring to be a tennis player of that level. After seeing this, what Kypson did is so much worse in my eyes. Ridiculous behavior. If my son ever did what Kypson did to Wolf he would not be allowed to play tennis.
     
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