Patrick McEnroe fears Nadal may Quit

tennis_commentator said:
Gloating is for the low-class posters.
That must be your way I guess.
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You won't be gloating if Nadal beats Djokovic? Please! You gloat weeks before matches when Nadal can't string a couple of top ten wins together and then end up looking like a fool when Nadal loses. Nobody takes you seriously on this forum.
 
cc0509 said:
You won't be gloating if Nadal beats Djokovic? Please! You gloat weeks before matches when Nadal can't string a couple of top ten wins together and then end up looking like a fool when Nadal loses. Nobody takes you seriously on this forum.
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You are less valuable than a piece of gum on my shoe, so proving you wrong isn't exactly an achievement.
I mean, we don't come online to make a fool out of you, we come online to post our opinion on what will happen in each event.
Whereas it looks like you come online, for me?
 
GabeT said:
Of course people "talk about it". It's part of the overall record. But Ferrer never did much more and Nadal went on to win other tournaments.

Djokovik has a been winning the majority of his encounters with Nadal for years now, but nothing is certain. They may or may not meet in RG. And we'll see then who wins. But Novak's clear win in MC was just one more indication of how much he has improved and how much Nadal has regressed.
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The problem for Djokovic, is that if they played that match at Roland Garros then Nadal would have won it.
Uncle Toni even said after the match that Nadal's level is good enough to win Roland Garros.
At 3-3 in the 1st set, Djokovic needed more than 10 minutes to hold serve.
At 3-3 in the 2nd set, Nadal was up 40-0 but got broken.
Djokovic would not have won those games at Roland Garros, for a variety of reasons.
Few people noticed this, but Uncle Toni did, and so did I.
That's why its 6-0.....7-0.
 
tennis_commentator said:
The problem for Djokovic, is that if they played that match at Roland Garros then Nadal would have won it.
Uncle Toni even said after the match that Nadal's level is good enough to win Roland Garros.
At 3-3 in the 1st set, Djokovic needed more than 10 minutes to hold serve.
At 3-3 in the 2nd set, Nadal was up 40-0 but got broken.
Djokovic would not have won those games at Roland Garros, for a variety of reasons.
Few people noticed this, but Uncle Toni did, and so did I.
That's why its 6-0.....7-0.
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Nonsense. Nadal more or less managed to keep up with Nole for the first six games of the first set. Then Nole steamrolled him and won nine of the next twelve games. Destroyed him.

If it had been a Bo5 Nole would have won in three.

I notice you have a tendency to reinvent the past.
 
^ The facts are all in the match, go and watch it-
At 3-3 in the 1st set, Djokovic needed more than 10 minutes to hold serve.
At 3-3 in the 2nd set, Nadal was up 40-0 but got broken.
 
Epicondylitis and Tendinitis are problems arising out of EPO use (but more because of the compound they injest to flush them out of the system before tournaments). With new drug testing law in Spain requiring random , zero notification tests (currently the athletes are given 36 hours notice and EPO flush takes about 6 hours to cleanse the system), I wouldn't be surprised if Nadal retires.
 
^ Also don't forget that Michael Jordan had knee tendinitis for his entire NBA career, and Venus/Serena had tendinitis throughout their careers too (so bad that Hingis beat Venus 6-1 6-1 at the 2001 Australian Open). So don't forget to accuse them too :lol:
 
tennis_commentator said:
^ The facts are all in the match, go and watch it-
At 3-3 in the 1st set, Djokovic needed more than 10 minutes to hold serve.
At 3-3 in the 2nd set, Nadal was up 40-0 but got broken.
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The fact is Nole steamrolled over Nadal. Other than th first few games, when Nadal broke but was quickly broken back, Nole completely dominated that match. Wasn't even close.
 
GabeT said:
The fact is Nole steamrolled over Nadal. Other than th first few games, when Nadal broke but was quickly broken back, Nole completely dominated that match. Wasn't even close.
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The score was 6-3 6-3, and the decisive games were-
At 3-3 in the 1st set, Djokovic needed more than 10 minutes to hold serve.
At 3-3 in the 2nd set, Nadal was up 40-0 but got broken.
Those 2 games swung each set completely.
And that dude has no self-belief at Roland Garros.
 
tennis_commentator said:
The score was 6-3 6-3, and the decisive games were-
At 3-3 in the 1st set, Djokovic needed more than 10 minutes to hold serve.
At 3-3 in the 2nd set, Nadal was up 40-0 but got broken.
Those 2 games swung each set completely.
And that dude has no self-belief at Roland Garros.
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The first six games of the first set were close. After that Nole completely dominated. There was never any doubt who would win.
 
GabeT said:
The first six games of the first set were close. After that Nole completely dominated. There was never any doubt who would win.
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Novak played like a wombat for the first 2 games and then got going.After that Nadal was never going to win that match.Should have been 6-1 6-3 if anything.
 
I love how some old champions became Nadal fans just out of pure hate for Federer.

Federer made their awesome records seem mortal. So, there is a lot of jealousy there and Nadal is their trojan horse.

Sad, that even some greats have to stoop to such level.
 
if Nadal quits, would Tennis really lose that much ?? he only plays like 5-6 month of the year anyway.

and now he is losing to nobody like Fogninin
 
Nostradamus said:
if Nadal quits, would Tennis really lose that much ?? he only plays like 5-6 month of the year anyway.

and now he is losing to nobody like Fogninin
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That's a good point. If Rafa play only half a year and doesn't even contend for big titles the other half, it would be the same as him not even playing.

If he played all the time and was contending for all titles, that would be different yes.
 
Nostradamus said:
if Nadal quits, would Tennis really lose that much ?? he only plays like 5-6 month of the year anyway.

and now he is losing to nobody like Fogninin
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That may be the very first time you have ever made any sense, nosty !!! Congratulations !!!


:twisted: :) :D
 
Although Fed is considered as a very proud man and Nadal as a humble bull, I think it's obvious that if Nadal drops out of top 10 by losing at RG early, or start to get whipped by Fognini, Raonic, Verdasco, Berrer, Coric, Deliciano, Klizan, Kyrgios, Brown, Almagro, Dolgo, Darcis and Rosol on regular basis*, then it is safe to say he will be finished before Fed.
Whether he will go with injury or will he retire while he is still healthy, it's just up to him, but I must admit it would be an ugly picture and it will cast a shadow over his achievments.
Nadal looks more like old women than a young man in his late 20s. What caused this, I really don't know and I don't want to speculate about, but it is sad to watch someone deteriorate so much. I just hope his physicality will stay with him, because he can be persistant and he could turn things around at some point.
In 2 weeks, we will know some things better, possible even sooner.


*all those players beaten Nadal recently, but it's their rank what matters the most
 
OhYes said:
Nadal looks more like old women than a young man in his late 20s. What caused this, I really don't know and I don't want to speculate about, but it is sad to watch someone deteriorate so much. I just hope his physicality will stay with him, because he can be persistant and he could turn things around at some point.
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Did you see him on pic with Novak at MC semi? He really looked like 40yo, burned skin on someone who is from the Mediterranean is strange.:shock:
 
Why would Nadal quit because of a ranking slide at this time if he loses to Djokovic? The first thing he'll think is that he was unlucky to draw a great player in top form at the 1/4 final stage. The second thing he'll think is that he's only got about 500 points to defend between the French and the end of the year. That should make moving back up into the top 8 or higher fairly simple.
 
reaper said:
Why would Nadal quit because of a ranking slide at this time if he loses to Djokovic? The first thing he'll think is that he was unlucky to draw a great player in top form at the 1/4 final stage. The second thing he'll think is that he's only got about 500 points to defend between the French and the end of the year. That should make moving back up into the top 8 or higher fairly simple.
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Yeah he even alluded to that in his interview at the FO draw a few days ago.
 
“[But] just the way he plays, there’s so much effort expended. He doesn’t have the same ease of striking the ball as Djokovic and Federer.

Key word.
 
reaper said:
Why would Nadal quit because of a ranking slide at this time if he loses to Djokovic? The first thing he'll think is that he was unlucky to draw a great player in top form at the 1/4 final stage. The second thing he'll think is that he's only got about 500 points to defend between the French and the end of the year. That should make moving back up into the top 8 or higher fairly simple.
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It wasn't luck to get Djokovic in quarters. Ranking is based on skills. So, if Rafa had been better and ranked higher, he wouldn't have gotten Djokovic so early.
 
bjk said:
evert has some balls. nobody is ever supposed to say anything like that on espn. serena has bigger guns than nadal and nobody says anything. evert is like that grandma who says whatever comes into her head.
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I mean, can this be interpreted as anything else but 'he used to be juiced up, not anymore it seems':
"Evert was not so gloomy. “He doesn’t look as sharp going into it this year, no doubt about it,” she said. “But you have to be stupid to count him out, especially if he starts to gain that confidence in the first week.

“I don’t mean this to sound the way it probably is sounding but I think he looks leaner and maybe isn’t as powerful as he used to be. I’m uncomfortable. I’m not implying anything, but at the same time he just doesn’t look as imposing as he used to. Every muscle in his body was pumped up. He used that for explosion. He doesn’t have that explosion any more.”"
 
Mcenroe is a clever man.. he sees what some saw when Borg got beaten by this brother and looked dejected. The same look is on Nadal now...
 
Gary Duane said:
Consider the source: P. McEnroe. Nothing else needs to be said.
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Meaning he's a talking head?
LETitBE said:
Epicondylitis and Tendinitis are problems arising out of EPO use (but more because of the compound they injest to flush them out of the system before tournaments). With new drug testing law in Spain requiring random , zero notification tests (currently the athletes are given 36 hours notice and EPO flush takes about 6 hours to cleanse the system), I wouldn't be surprised if Nadal retires.
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When will this law supposedly take effect?


OT, I doubt Rafa retires just yet. He still wants more titles and it's waaaaayyyyy to early to say he can't get back to the top-2 and contend for slam titles on a regular basis. He's still at least the 2nd favorite at the FO and will have his chances vs. Djoko if they meet.
 
AngieB said:
#PatrickMcEnroe would know. He single-handedly killed US mens tennis development for more than a generation. They've should have gotten rid of him sooner.

#AngiesLyst​
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You are not kidding; Patrick McEnroe has been bitter, and has repeatedly championed the baseline-exclusive game for all U.S. players, while happily screaming the death of S&V--the very kind of game which wiped the floor with him during his own, flat-footed so-called career (probably a hidden resentment of his brother's game/legacy). It is no wonder he served as a one-man PR campaign for Roddick's one-dimensional game.
 
Very interesting and blunt comments by P Mac. Most commentators don't say risky controversial things like this but he may be dead right. Fans and message board readers don't know how many miles Rafa has on his wheels. He had to work so hard for every point, also he's a practice demon, I remember PMac said before a Davis Cup tie, Rafa was supposedly suffering a bad knee but he was still out there grinding four hours as hard as he could.

Also in the "Facing Nadal" book several players mention how even in practice with Nadal, he comes out and from the first ball he's hitting as hard as he can. That kind of physical and mental intensity from childhood to adulthood, is not destined to have great longevity.
 
I'll be so relieved when Djokovic wins his 4th Round match.
It would be tragic if Nadal doesn't get to push Djokovic's face into the clay.
I'm like John Doe in the back seat.
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Sentinel said:
That may be the very first time you have ever made any sense, nosty !!! Congratulations !!!


:twisted: :) :D
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I was contradicting myself actually. if we lose Nadal, Tennis would die as we know it. Because right now, Nadal is only exciting fun player to watch. Federer used to be fun to watch but now he is old and no fun anymore. and novak is boring as heck. and rest of the field is even worse......ZZzzzzzzz...............
 
tennis_commentator said:
The score was 6-3 6-3, and the decisive games were-
At 3-3 in the 1st set, Djokovic needed more than 10 minutes to hold serve.
At 3-3 in the 2nd set, Nadal was up 40-0 but got broken.
Those 2 games swung each set completely.
And that dude has no self-belief at Roland Garros.
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Sentence 2: do you get any extra credit for being able to "extend" the server for 10 minutes?

Sentence 3: and then he got broken again in the next game, too, for a crushing, double service break lost. Other than THAT, he was right in there, lol.

Sentence 4: Other than THAT, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the theater.

Sentence 5: So you say. You are in for a rude awakening, and I can't wait to see it.
 
jg153040 said:
It wasn't luck to get Djokovic in quarters. Ranking is based on skills. So, if Rafa had been better and ranked higher, he wouldn't have gotten Djokovic so early.
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It still seems like luck to me. There was a 1 in 4 chance Nadal would be drawn in Djokovic's 1/4, and a 3 in 4 chance that he wouldn't. Had he been drawn in Federer's 1/4, where he would have fancied his chances more, that would be luck of a different kind.
 
dgold44 said:
Many tennis greats are done by late 20's ( if not earlier).

Nadal is already 30 or so and is past his prime.
Even a 10 percent decrease at that level is extremely noticeable.
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Nadal is 28 about to turn 29. Not sure where your reading comprehension skills are.
 
reaper said:
It still seems like luck to me. There was a 1 in 4 chance Nadal would be drawn in Djokovic's 1/4, and a 3 in 4 chance that he wouldn't. Had he been drawn in Federer's 1/4, where he would have fancied his chances more, that would be luck of a different kind.
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Doesn't matter, because if Nadal's ranking was higher, there would be zero chance to draw Djokovic.

Everybody has the same chance to draw each other, there is no luck. If Federer was ranked lower, he would have the same odds as Rafa.

So, how can you say it's unfair when everybody has the same odds?
 
britam25 said:
Sentence 2: do you get any extra credit for being able to "extend" the server for 10 minutes?

Sentence 3: and then he got broken again in the next game, too, for a crushing, double service break lost. Other than THAT, he was right in there, lol.

Sentence 4: Other than THAT, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the theater.

Sentence 5: So you say. You are in for a rude awakening, and I can't wait to see it.
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Well, you certainly won't see it with that user account. If Nadal gets beaten in the quarters, and that is a big IF, I highly doubt you'll see that particular user account again. ;)
 
jg153040 said:
Doesn't matter, because if Nadal's ranking was higher, there would be zero chance to draw Djokovic.

Everybody has the same chance to draw each other, there is no luck. If Federer was ranked lower, he would have the same odds as Rafa.

So, how can you say it's unfair when everybody has the same odds?
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I didn't say it was unfair. I said it was unlucky. Nadal's not the only player it's an unlucky draw for. Djokovic can't be thrilled to have a 1/4 final against a guy, who if he makes the quarters will have won 70 of 71 career matches at Roland Garros, has beaten Djokovic all 6 times they've played at this tournament, and is a ferocious competitor with a point to prove.
 
reaper said:
I didn't say it was unfair. I said it was unlucky. Nadal's not the only player it's an unlucky draw for. Djokovic can't be thrilled to have a 1/4 final against a guy, who if he makes the quarters will have won 70 of 71 career matches at Roland Garros, has beaten Djokovic all 6 times they've played at this tournament, and is a ferocious competitor with a point to prove.
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I think Djokovic would rather play Nadal in 1/4 than in a final. Djokovic almost beat him when it wasn't a final. And Rafa is undefeated in a final, so this can't be good for Djokovic.

Also, Nadal is usually in top form in the final, he slowly plays himself into form, so in the quarters he won't be at 100% yet. But that is the benefit of being ranked nr.1 and this is how it should be.

And where did you calculate 25% odds? Rafa has 50% chance to either be in Nole's half or not. Rafa has 50% chance to be in Fed's side of the draw.
 
The 25% chance comes from them playing in the quarters... Nadal is in Djokovic's quarter. I'd be surprised if Nadal (and Djokovic for that matter) doesn't plan his preparation to be at his top by 1/4 final time. Both players will know there won't be a semi or final if they're not at their top on 1/4 final day.
 
bjk said:
evert has some balls. nobody is ever supposed to say anything like that on espn. serena has bigger guns than nadal and nobody says anything. evert is like that grandma who says whatever comes into her head.
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"evert is like that grandma who says whatever comes into her head"

funny, she is
 
reaper said:
The 25% chance comes from them playing in the quarters... Nadal is in Djokovic's quarter. I'd be surprised if Nadal (and Djokovic for that matter) doesn't plan his preparation to be at his top by 1/4 final time. Both players will know there won't be a semi or final if they're not at their top on 1/4 final day.
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No, it's 50%. We are only doing the proposition of either being in Nole's quarter or not. Rafa landing with others is a separate claim. We are only addressing the claim of Rafa vs Djokovic.

It doesn't matter what they do before, it's better for the underdog to meet the champion before the final. And Djokovic with 0 RG is the underdog, so he would prefer to meet Rafa before.
 
jg153040 said:
No, it's 50%. We are only doing the proposition of either being in Nole's quarter or not. Rafa landing with others is a separate claim. We are only addressing the claim of Rafa vs Djokovic.



It doesn't matter what they do before, it's better for the underdog to meet the champion before the final. And Djokovic with 0 RG is the underdog, so he would prefer to meet Rafa before.
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You're wrong, the probability for a Djokovic-Nadal quarter is 25%. The probability for them to meet potentially
in the semi is also 25% and the probability for a potential djokovic-Nadal final is 50%.

Edit: replace "is" with "was" or "would be" as the draw has already been made.
 
Crionics said:
You're wrong, the probability for a Djokovic-Nadal quarter is 25%. The probability for them to meet in the semi is also 25% and the probability for a djokovic-Nadal final is 50%.
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Let's say we talk about god vs no god. Theoretically the odds are 50 vs 50, if we ignore the evidence.

Sure, we could be addressing separate claims about which god is real, then chances are different.

We address only Rafa vs Djokovic, we don't address Rafa landing with other 3. But as soon as we add another player, chances decrease, but we aren't doing that.

We are only addressing the claim about Djokovic being or not being in Rafa's half.
 
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