Patrick Mouratoglou: "Azarenka is much better than Sharapova. There's no discussion."

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Former No. 1 Victoria Azarenka Is at Her Best, but Serena Williams Is Even Better

WIMBLEDON, England — On the draw sheet, it was a quarterfinal between the No. 1 seed and the No. 23 seed.

On the now-patchy grass of Centre Court, though, it looked much more like No. 1 versus No. 2, with Serena Williams and Victoria Azarenka clenching fists, doubling over with desire and generating puff after puff of white chalk as their groundstrokes and serves landed on the lines under Grand Slam pressure.

Azarenka, a proud and complex Belarussian, will tell you that Williams brings out the best in her, which certainly seemed true in the opening phase of this remarkable duel. She has perhaps never played better on a big stage than she did in winning the first set, but for all Azarenka’s formidable talent and renewed drive, she also has a habit of inspiring the best in Williams, too.

There has been a lot of winning ugly in 2015 for Williams, 33, who has had to rally repeatedly and was two points from defeat against unseeded Heather Watson in the third round last week. But this was winning pretty. Very pretty.

“I can’t say I went out there and didn’t play well,” Azarenka said. “We just saw today why Serena is No. 1. I haven’t seen her play like this, honestly, even in the last matches before that.”

Pure numbers have their narrative limits in tennis: The signature features of Tuesday’s match were its gale-force intensity and its shriek-filled soundtrack, the consistent depth and weight of the shots.

But the statistics sheet was a fine piece of supporting evidence. Williams finished with 46 winners and 12 unforced errors in a match in which many of the errors came at the end of high-quality rallies.

“Against Venus in the fourth round, Serena won in straight sets playing at a very good level, but the short balls came earlier,” said Patrick Mouratoglou, Williams’s coach. “It was boom, boom, and then the short ball came, and she was able to finish. Against Azarenka, it was boom, boom, and the short ball didn’t come. Serena had to hit five, six shots, and that was still no guarantee. She had to really lift.”

Williams won 10 of 12 points at net, put 65 percent of her first serves into play and won 80 percent of the points when she did. She also won 58 percent of her second-serve points against one of the game’s top returners and took 63 percent of the points against Azarenka’s second serve.

Perhaps most important, Williams hit 17 aces, six of them in her final two service games, when Azarenka was back to slapping herself on the thigh, barking at herself and still projecting plenty of self-belief.

“The statistics are exceptional, but they had to be today,” Mouratoglou said. “Serena has played at this level before, when she won the gold medal at the 2012 Olympics here. But she was totally dominating her opponents. It was one-way traffic. Azarenka pushed her to another level today, and that is rare.”

Azarenka was No. 1 before Williams reclaimed the top spot in 2013 and Azarenka’s 2014 season was derailed by personal issues and a chronic foot problem.

Williams has resumed being the spoiler in 2015, beating Azarenka in Madrid after Azarenka held three match points on her own serve before cracking, then beating her again in a fiery three-set match at the French Open, after which Azarenka broke a chair in the locker room. She expressed amazement there that Williams always seemed to reserve her finest work for her and Sharapova.

Azarenka, 25, did not seem to let those setbacks affect her will to compete on Tuesday or let them keep her from embracing Williams warmly at the net after the hostilities. But there was still no changing the story arc: Williams has a 17-3 career edge, and a 10-0 edge in Grand Slam play.

Of the elite players, Azarenka might push Williams hardest, but clearly it is not yet hard enough.

“I will do anything I can, anything, to be able to not just beat Serena but to win Wimbledon,” Azarenka said. “I will do anything to win Grand Slams. I’m going to work hard. This just gives me extra motivation.”

She is already tapping into Williams’s former brain trust, hiring Sascha Bajin, Williams’s longtime hitting partner and close friend, earlier this season. With Azarenka’s coach Wim Fissette home in Belgium after the birth of a child, Bajin played a more central role at Wimbledon and warmed up Azarenka with big serves and advice on Tuesday.

“There’s nothing personal against Serena,” Bajin said recently. “It’s more a little bit weird off the courts, when you see the family and you see the agent, Jill Smoller, and Serena’s mom, and I still have to walk by and say hi, and then we go our separate ways. That is more a little bit of the hard part.”

But the really hard part is beating Williams in a big match. It is now Sharapova’s turn to take another shot, and her record against Williams is even worse: 2-17, with few classics in the mix.

Mouratoglou at least provided Sharapova with some bulletin-board material.

“She does not have a mental block against Serena,” he said. “Serena simply plays tennis much better than she does. For me, Azarenka is much better than Sharapova. There’s no discussion.
Sharapova is a great champion. She has great qualities. She fights incredibly and has tremendous mental strength. But at some stage, her level of play hits a ceiling.

“That said, Serena is not immune to a bad match, right? All streaks have to end, but even if she has a bad match one day and loses, we cannot say there is not an enormous gap in their level of play.”

Cocksure as that sounds, it is hard to disagree, even after the entertaining Australian Open final that Williams won, 6-3, 7-6 (5), over Sharapova in January.

But that high-quality match was in a minor key compared with the thunderous major chords Williams and Azarenka pounded out together.

As they went at each other with no filters and very little margin for error late in the first set and early in the second set, a number of fans in the Centre Court crowd actually began to laugh during rallies after each shriek. It has happened elsewhere, and it was hard to ignore.

Williams said she noticed but did not consider it disrespectful. “I just know,” she said, “today, me and Vika, we were just giving our all out there.”

Azarenka joked that some of the fans might have overindulged in the Pimm’s, Wimbledon’s signature drink. But she was not in a joking mood on the matter in general.

“I was practicing next to Nadal, and he grunts louder than me, and nobody notices that,” she said. “Look at the good stuff. Stop bringing this ridiculous stuff. Let’s put aside the noise and how she looks, and look at the game. The game proved itself today.”

No argument there.
 
Sharapova's career stats are miles better than Azarenka's. And she has the career slam, including one win against peak Williams

Azarenka needs a lot more. What difference does it make that she played "well" yesterday? Bottom line, she's 3-18. Not good enough. And she's only won one of the four slams. I repeat, Masha has all four.
 
Sharapova's career stats are miles better than Azarenka's. And she has the career slam, including one win against peak Williams

Azarenka needs a lot more. What difference does it make that she played "well" yesterday? Bottom line, she's 3-18. Not good enough. And she's only won one of the four slams. I repeat, Masha has all four.
I agree with most of this but... Do you really think Serena was "peak" in 2004? She ended the year ranked like 9 and only made one slam final. Certainly a good Serena but definitely not peak.
 
Azerenka isnt a better player than Sharapova. Against Serena Maria height work to her disadvantage thats why Azarenka gives tougher matches to Serena.
 
Azerenka isnt a better player than Sharapova. Against Serena Maria height work to her disadvantage thats why Azarenka gives tougher matches to Serena.

Now I know you don't know what you're talking about. Azarenka is 6'0". Sharapova is 6'2". Not much of a difference in height.
 
What an idiotic (and disrespectful) thing to say before their match. I hope Sharapova smashes her in straight sets then laughs in his face as she pulls out a framed copy of his quote and presents it to him as a gift.
 
What an idiotic (and disrespectful) thing to say before their match. I hope Sharapova smashes her in straight sets then laughs in his face as she pulls out a framed copy of his quote and presents it to him as a gift.
Hahaha like that's ever going to happen.

Usual 6-2 6-3 win for Serena
 
I agree with most of this but... Do you really think Serena was "peak" in 2004? She ended the year ranked like 9 and only made one slam final. Certainly a good Serena but definitely not peak.

Well, the trouble is, if you beat her in another year, would you still call that year peak, even though it would now feature a Williams loss to Sharapova? Anyway, it's immaterial.
 
Sharapova's career stats are miles better than Azarenka's. And she has the career slam, including one win against peak Williams

Azarenka needs a lot more. What difference does it make that she played "well" yesterday? Bottom line, she's 3-18. Not good enough. And she's only won one of the four slams. I repeat, Masha has all four.

The only laughable statement is peak williams. Riiiigggghhhhtttt
 
Results speak for themselves.

It is easy to give opinions but they are like aholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

For me regardless of how "good" Azarenka appears to play she has choked massively many times. That brings her down a notch or two compared to Sharapova and its evident in their career achievements.
 
He's right. Poor Azarenka struggled with injuries last year and has had the horror of having her prime coincide with Serena's second coming. At least Sharapova was able to win some of her slams during Serena's mid-career slump. Azarenka has had no such luck.

I'm surprised more people are don't think Azarenka is a better player.
 
Sharapova has a match up block against Serena. Everything Maria can do Serena does better.

Power,

Consistency.

Mental strength.

Return game.

Add to that, Serena has always been a miles better mover and server than Maria. Also, Serena has learned to mix up her game, willing to slice more and loop some shots to mix up pace rather than hit everything hard and flat.

All that adds up to a 17 and 2 record.

But truly, the movement and the serve are what really kills Maria against Serena.
 
He's right. Poor Azarenka struggled with injuries last year and has had the horror of having her prime coincide with Serena's second coming. At least Sharapova was able to win some of her slams during Serena's mid-career slump. Azarenka has had no such luck.

I'm surprised more people are don't think Azarenka is a better player.


If Azarenka could figure out how to move well on clay she'd really own Maria.
 
The only laughable statement is peak williams. Riiiigggghhhhtttt

If you're not in your peak a year after winning all four majors, when are you in your peak? If she was off form in 2004 or whatever, hardly Sharapova's problem (who herself was even less in her peak). In any event, Sharapova had the chance to close it out and she got it done. Maybe only the once, but she got it done. She's a Wimbledon champion.

Different major, but when Azarenka had the chance to be US Open champion, she botched it big time.
 
Azarenka hasn't defeated Maria in almost three years, yet it's only been two years since Azarenka defeated Serena. Patrick speaks fluent English, so nothing he said was lost in tranlslation. Serena 17-2 vs Maria, Serena 17-3 vs Azarenka. No difference. Azarenka will never win a career slam like Maria has, and will be lucky to make it back into the top five.

#GrannyIlluminati
 
As a Serena enthusiast (referring to me here), clearly Mouratoglou is talking rubbish here - in what way is Azarenka better than Sharapova? Maybe only in the H2H against Serena, but 17-2, 17-3 is not that big a difference. And Maria has 5 Slam titles and the Career Grand Slam.
 
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What an idiotic (and disrespectful) thing to say before their match. I hope Sharapova smashes her in straight sets then laughs in his face as she pulls out a framed copy of his quote and presents it to him as a gift.

Mouthy coaches are the worst. The point is to be in the background. If Serena herself want to make those comments, fine, but the coach? Attention whoring at its worst.
 
This seems frank to the point of rude. Not sure what motivated Williams' coach to bring up Sharapova. But oh well, more drama for the semis I guess.
Seriously, he's always running his mouth. Blabbing about Serena's injury last year without her permission, setting her up to be stressed out last year with all his talk of her breaking records and crap. Other stuff I can't remember, but basically he needs to shut his pie hole and stick to coaching.
 
His argument seems to be that because Azarenka gives Serena a tougher fight that she's much better than Sharapova? I don't really think there is all that much between them in all honesty, but I'd take Sharapova for peak level play, even if she might lack Azarenka's consistency. Sharapova's also never been quite the same player since that career altering surgery. Hopefully Azarenka is able to get all the way back to being the player that she was prior to the problems she had with her foot last year.
 
Sharapova has a match up block against Serena. Everything Maria can do Serena does better.

Power,

Consistency.

Mental strength.

Return game.

Add to that, Serena has always been a miles better mover and server than Maria. Also, Serena has learned to mix up her game, willing to slice more and loop some shots to mix up pace rather than hit everything hard and flat.

All that adds up to a 17 and 2 record.

But truly, the movement and the serve are what really kills Maria against Serena.

Yup, it's the most important stroke in the game, and Serena's best shot(and arguably the best one in the history of the game on the women's side), while it is Pova's worst. 10 double faults in her last match with about 3 aces? Next case. I think Patrick's words were arrogant, ill advised...and true. Right now, I think Aza is better than Pova-although the results don't show it(though 3-18 IS marginally better than Pova's), she certainly is a helluva lot more competitive against Serena, though, of course, close but no cigar doesn't get you much in this sport.
 
If you're not in your peak a year after winning all four majors, when are you in your peak? If she was off form in 2004 or whatever, hardly Sharapova's problem (who herself was even less in her peak). In any event, Sharapova had the chance to close it out and she got it done. Maybe only the once, but she got it done. She's a Wimbledon champion.

Different major, but when Azarenka had the chance to be US Open champion, she botched it big time.
You do know what happened after serena won those 5 majors. She was out for the next 8 months with her serious knee injury and never moved as well as before the knee injury. She came into wimby with bairly any match play. Not to mention her sister was murdered which had probably the biggest impact in her level of play for the next 3-4 years.
And sharapova was definetly close to her peak. 2004-08 was clearly her peak. But she only won 3 slams in that time so not much of a peak. She was always the second best even in her best year. Never dominated a season.
 
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We're talking about quality of play here, not just mere titles. The fact is Azarenka has been hampered by Serena much more than Sharapova has because her prime has coincided with a successful period in Serena's career more-so than with Sharapova.

I think the fact that Azarenka is a tougher opponent for Serena than Sharapova is a pretty good metric of who is the better player between the pair, considering that Serena is the standard and all that. Like someone said on twitter, Serena-Azarenka head-to-head feels like 10-10; Serena-Sharapova head-to-head feel like....17-2.

(I don't really agree with the 10-10 part but I think it's pretty relevant point being made).
 
Seriously, he's always running his mouth. Blabbing about Serena's injury last year without her permission, setting her up to be stressed out last year with all his talk of her breaking records and crap. Other stuff I can't remember, but basically he needs to shut his pie hole and stick to coaching.
#Richard and #Oracene were probably tired of the coaching duties, hence #Patrick's emergence. He is serving his purpose, then once it's done, he'll fade into oblivion. Truth be told, #Maria could buy him and his family over 10 fold +, which is why I'm curious as to why he would even have an opinion about someone is more accomplished in the sport than what he ever will be. #GirlBye

#GrannyIlluminati
 
#Richard and #Oracene were probably tired of the coaching duties, hence #Patrick's emergence. He is serving his purpose, then once it's done, he'll fade into oblivion. Truth be told, #Maria could buy him and his family over 10 fold +, which is why I'm curious as to why he would even have an opinion about someone is more accomplished in the sport than what he ever will be. #GirlBye

#GrannyIlluminati
I wasn't aware you had to equal someone in financial worth or tennis success in order to have an opinion on them.
 
Results speak for themselves.

It is easy to give opinions but they are like aholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

For me regardless of how "good" Azarenka appears to play she has choked massively many times. That brings her down a notch or two compared to Sharapova and its evident in their career achievements.

The bottom line though is Maria is a much easier opponent for Serena than Azarenka. So atleast in the context of the matchup with Serena, he is fine to say Azarenka is much better. It is not like Maria scares them any or would be able to hang with Serena playing as well as she did vs Azarenka.

Also Maria has likely achieved all she is going to in the game. If Azarenka continues her comeback she can win more slams and possibly catch Maria there.
 
Pova is terrifically overrated, so nothing new being provided from Patrick here.
 
Sharapova's career stats are miles better than Azarenka's. And she has the career slam, including one win against peak Williams

Azarenka needs a lot more. What difference does it make that she played "well" yesterday? Bottom line, she's 3-18. Not good enough. And she's only won one of the four slams. I repeat, Masha has all four.

I agree with you.

You cannot compare Sharapova and Azarenka solely on how they fare against Serena. Especially when neither of them actually beat her and the deciding factor is that Azarenka plays her tougher.

Obviously, Sharapova has had the better career, but that aside, even now she's every bit the player Azarenka is. When those two play, the matches are typically very close and intense. Every matchup is unique. Azarenka matches up better with Serena because of her movement and style. And, unfortunately for Sharapova, something about her brings out Serena's best. She has dips and off days frequently, but when is the last time she had one against Maria. She always comes out focused and plays well.

In any case, the comment from Murman (whatever his name is) doesn't hold up when you look at their whole body of work and not just their losses to Serena.
 
Sharapova is better overall obviously, but I can understand why Serena's coach respects (for lack of a better word) Azarenka a bit more. He's looking at a few recent meetings and saying Azarenka pushed Serena a lot harder. Maria vs Serena has been a foregone conclusion with beat downs in favour of Serena for a long time now.

At least Azarenka's been competitive in the most recent meetings. Pretty sure Moratoglou (sp?) is not looking specifically at career achievements. He's looking at the competitiveness of the most recent matches. It's not always about career glory. Oh wait, I am on TTW.
 
A couple of years ago, I was looking forward to an Azarenka-S. Williams rivalry like Evert-Navratilova, but Azarenka got sidetracked by hanging with that clown RedFoo, getting out of shape and ending up injured. She still could get to the top of the game and looks at the moment like she is dedicated to doing that. If she gets her game back to top form she can beat Serena and we could have a great rivalry, but there is no guarantee of that happening.
Sharapova has had some very close matches with Serena, but there have been many blowouts. Her strengths are Serena's strengths and Serena is a little better at all of them. Thus, a terrible matchup. Also, since it has been a long time, people are forgetting that before her shoulder went out, Sharapova had the second best serve among the top players(or maybe 3rd) and her problems with her serve are a major factor that Serena takes advantage of. So, Sharapova had some wins early, but none in many years.
As far as Patrick's comments, Serena said similar, but much more subtle things about Sharapova - basically telling Sharapova that she has no chance. I'm wondering why they are even bothering to play these mind games with Sharapova since things are so one-sided, but maybe it's just because they don't like her.
 
I think they both sound equally disgraceful on court.
 
I really dont see Maria winning another major. So even if you look at careers it is too early to say who will be better between Sharapova and Azarenka. If Azarenka continues her comeback I could see her ending up with a comparable type career to Maria.

Against Serena though, Azarenka is far and way the better player, and Patrick is right in stating so. Maria is no factor against Serena at all, and just a light hitting session for her. Azarenka is a real opponent.
 
I really dont see Maria winning another major. So even if you look at careers it is too early to say who will be better between Sharapova and Azarenka. If Azarenka continues her comeback I could see her ending up with a comparable type career to Maria.

Against Serena though, Azarenka is far and way the better player, and Patrick is right in stating so. Maria is no factor against Serena at all, and just a light hitting session for her. Azarenka is a real opponent.

and the timing was perfect :D
 
By the way while Maria of course clearly has the better career compared to Azarenka now, Viktoria has already done 2 things Maria has never done and is almost certain to never do (even for those who believe unlike me Maria will win another major or two):

1. End a year ranked #1.

2. Defend a slam title.
 
I really dont see Maria winning another major. So even if you look at careers it is too early to say who will be better between Sharapova and Azarenka. If Azarenka continues her comeback I could see her ending up with a comparable type career to Maria.

Against Serena though, Azarenka is far and way the better player, and Patrick is right in stating so. Maria is no factor against Serena at all, and just a light hitting session for her. Azarenka is a real opponent.

If Serena gets injured or gets eliminated early in a major (which has happened before), then Sharapova is the next in line to win, so yes, I see it likely that she will win another major or two in the future, as long as she somehow gets around Serena.
 
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