Patrick Mouratoglou the enigma

Can someone please shed some light on "THE COACH" for me since I seem to be missing something.

Apart from Serena (whom he picked up at 30) has he ever had another slam winner?

It strikes me that he sees himself as some sort of celebrity tennis coach in a way
 

Devtennis01

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Wikipedia says he opened his academy back in 1996 and he coached Baghdatis to the 2006 AO final.

Not sure if he came from money or how he managed to open an academy when he was 26.
 
This is my exact point.....he doesn't really seem to have much pedigree in the overall sense of achievements.

I have yet to look it up but does he even have a player who has won a M1000?
 
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PETEhammer

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Of course he's a GOAT coach, the man coached Baghdatis. Give him his dues, you bums
 
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Wikipedia says he opened his academy back in 1996 and he coached Baghdatis to the 2006 AO final.

Not sure if he came from money or how he managed to open an academy when he was 26.


He may have been involved in some way, but it was the guy in the Adidas Competition shirt that was the coach for Baghdatis, who is wearing a "Maratoglou Tennis Academy" badge. In fact, during the event, nobody was talking about Maratoglou (in the white there).
 


He may have been involved in some way, but it was the guy in the Adidas Competition shirt that was the coach for Baghdatis, who is wearing a "Maratoglou Tennis Academy" badge. In fact, during the event, nobody was talking about Maratoglou (in the white there).
That's the impression I was under aswell.

I am just trying to understand his "cult like status" as a coach when it doesn't really seem to have much substance....I mean there is zero comparison between this guy and say Robert Lansdorp
 
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That's the impression I was under aswell.

I am just trying to understand his "cult like status" as a coach when it doesn't really seem to have much substance....I mean there is zero comparison between this guy and say Robert Lansdorp
A lot of tennis coaches are charlatans. It doesn't take much to build up a client base once you have got your foot in the door with one tour player. Many of the high end coaches have went to players and there has been little to no difference in their play.

If he has had a tennis academy since the 90s, maybe there's more to it, you need serious capital to start up your own tennis academy so I wonder how he managed that.

I just looked it up and it says he coached Baghdatis since 1999, but as for the AO 2006, nothing was said about him and it was all about the other guy. I don't think Maratoglou was at most of the matches.

He gives off the impression that he's most certainly a poser.
 

Bukowski

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Somebody i know who has coached on the tour says in his opinion- he specializes with developing students. His celebrity status, he found, is the reason for his his more recent high profile gigs.
 

ibbi

Legend
He definitely has a pretty long and generally successful history of developing young talents into being full fledged mainstays on the tour at his academy, but yes, his celebrity status which I assume is related to his massive ego is comical and hilarious. Just because he hitched himself to the Serena train?

The only discernible reason she was in any slump to begin with was because she almost died, and I think understandably that took her a while to recover from. She literally won Wimbledon right before being out for a year. I'm sure her return to the top was ALL about him, sure. All because she had one bad day against Razzano that myth has been allowed to build.

This guy is literally my least favourite dude in tennis. Like, just because a few people train at his academy he's suddenly responsible for their success? He wasn't Baghdatis' coach, he isn't Tsitsipas', he isn't Gauff's. I'd be pretty confident in the assumption that Serena would have been just fine if he had never wandered into her life.
 
I think he is a good coach who knows a lot about tennis but his celebrity status is of course due to coaching serena and bringing her back on track.

But isn't that true about almost any coach?
 
Somebody i know who has coached on the tour says in his opinion- he specializes with developing students. His celebrity status, he found, is the reason for his his more recent high profile gigs.
Not being confrontational or anything but can you name anyone he has developed from a junior? He seems like the sort of guy who would keep reminding us about anyone he developed
 
He definitely has a pretty long and generally successful history of developing young talents into being full fledged mainstays on the tour at his academy, but yes, his celebrity status which I assume is related to his massive ego is comical and hilarious. Just because he hitched himself to the Serena train?

The only discernible reason she was in any slump to begin with was because she almost died, and I think understandably that took her a while to recover from. She literally won Wimbledon right before being out for a year. I'm sure her return to the top was ALL about him, sure. All because she had one bad day against Razzano that myth has been allowed to build.

This guy is literally my least favourite dude in tennis. Like, just because a few people train at his academy he's suddenly responsible for their success? He wasn't Baghdatis' coach, he isn't Tsitsipas', he isn't Gauff's. I'd be pretty confident in the assumption that Serena would have been just fine if he had never wandered into her life.
Not being confrontational or anything like I just said in my last reply but can you actually name any of these players he developed from the ranks of juniors into fully fledged tour players? I'm genuinely trying to find out what this guys pedigree actually is since it doesn't seem to be much!

In terms of Tsitsipas and Gauff surely they are being offered some form of free training/facilities there as a form of advertisement to sucker the rich kids into attending for a few years?
 
I think he is a good coach who knows a lot about tennis but his celebrity status is of course due to coaching serena and bringing her back on track.

But isn't that true about almost any coach?
My whole question is why does he have this celebrity status when he doesn't appear on paper to have much results? I mean Serena probably would of won a slam if I started "coaching" her at 30 aswell so I don't count that really.

For example take Novak, so Marian was with him from the time he was a teenager (I think 16) so he's shown his pedigree so to speak whereas Goran who has come in recently started working with a player who had already won numerous slams so his pedigree as a coach isn't as obvious - I hope that makes sense in what I'm trying to convey
 
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Slowtwitcher

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Okay so give me the name of one player (apart from Serena) that he has managed to guide to winning a slam since you seem to have such a clue
You haven't gotten a clue about how high-level coaching works. Which is ok, I don't expect a fan to know how it works.

Bottom line is that the GOAT chose to not only work with him, but work with him for a few years.

Serena finds value in his work... but randos on the Internet don't... can you guess who's right here?
 

ibbi

Legend
Not being confrontational or anything like I just said in my last reply but can you actually name any of these players he developed from the ranks of juniors into fully fledged tour players? I'm genuinely trying to find out what this guys pedigree actually is since it doesn't seem to be much!

In terms of Tsitsipas and Gauff surely they are being offered some form of free training/facilities there as a form of advertisement to sucker the rich kids into attending for a few years?
Off the top of my head - Baghdatis, Dimitrov, and Pavlyuchenkova. Again, I don't know how much he actually personally had to do with any of them, but they all trained at his academy. He was Grigor's actual coach in 2012, and that went nowhere. He pretty briefly worked with Laura Robson and Jeremy Chardy too, neither partnership amounted to anything much for players who did have good periods in their career.

Tsitsipas and Gauff have both been at his academy since before they hit the big time, so I don't know that it's a case of him bringing them there after they've already made it.
 
You haven't gotten a clue about how high-level coaching works. Which is ok, I don't expect a fan to know how it works.

Bottom line is that the GOAT chose to not only work with him, but work with him for a few years.

Serena finds value in his work... but randos on the Internet don't... can you guess who's right here?
You didn't read what I said I simply asked what pedigree does he have as a genuine question. I mean I don't know if he's even had any of his players win a 500 event yet....I'm pretty sure Tsitsipas was his first player to win a 250 but other people said he's not really involved with him.

It was a genuine question no need to get so defensive about it
 
My whole question is why does he have this celebrity status when he doesn't appear on paper to have much results? I mean Serena probably would of won a slam if I started "coaching" her at 30 aswell so I don't count that really.

For example take Novak, so Marian was with him from the time he was a teenager (I think 16) so he's shown his pedigree so to speak whereas Goran who has come in recently started working with a player who had already won numerous slams so his pedigree as a coach isn't as obvious - I hope that makes sense in what I'm trying to convey
Well serena was over 30 and coming off a bad year and some people thought she was done so it was a great job to get her back on track.

But yeah he also is a celebrity because of the surrounding circumstances, he is a good looking big personality guy, had a relationship with the female tennis goat and was often on TV.

I also have not heard people calling him the greatest coach of all time, he just is a very marketable guy who happens to coach the female tennis goat.
 
Well serena was over 30 and coming off a bad year and some people thought she was done so it was a great job to get her back on track.

But yeah he also is a celebrity because of the surrounding circumstances, he is a good looking big personality guy, had a relationship with the female tennis goat and was often on TV.

I also have not heard people calling him the greatest coach of all time, he just is a very marketable guy who happens to coach the female tennis goat.
Well he's clearly not the greatest coach of all time I mean you couldn't even compare him to someone like Robert Lansdorp it would be an insult to Lansdorp.

I was just interested in his background more than anything and what his history was with player development since I didn't know
 
Also academies can't make slam champions. Academies can take very talented kids and make them good polished pro players. They can also rip off parents of average talent kids and turn them into D3 college players for the little cost of a few hundred K:).

But slam champions are born, you can't make them. That doesn't mean a slam champion doesn't need to work hard and learn good tennis, you can certainly mess up a potential slam champion but really extremely few people have the potential to win slams.

No academy can churn out slam champions like a car factory does with cars, even in the top academies most players never make the top500 in the world.

That doesn't mean academies do a bad job but it is just hard and really 100 delusional parents pay for the training of 1 top20 player.
 

fed1

Professional
He came from money, I believe his father was the president of a huge energy company in France and bankrolled the academy.
 

fed1

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He could be the equal to what Phil Jackson was when he was coaching those Bulls team with Jordan, Pippen, etc. Any of us "rec player/fans" ;) pretty much could have rolled the balls out there and they would have won. He pretty much had the Michael Jordan of women's tennis, hard to screw that up. Give him Halep, Kerber, Mugu and see if they get grand slams under him. I would take the under on the bet.
 

Slowtwitcher

Hall of Fame
He could be the equal to what Phil Jackson was when he was coaching those Bulls team with Jordan, Pippen, etc. Any of us "rec player/fans" ;) pretty much could have rolled the balls out there and they would have won. He pretty much had the Michael Jordan of women's tennis, hard to screw that up. Give him Halep, Kerber, Mugu and see if they get grand slams under him. I would take the under on the bet.
Pretty funny, yeah... some people have no clue.
 
Also academies can't make slam champions. Academies can take very talented kids and make them good polished pro players. They can also rip off parents of average talent kids and turn them into D3 college players for the little cost of a few hundred K:).

But slam champions are born, you can't make them. That doesn't mean a slam champion doesn't need to work hard and learn good tennis, you can certainly mess up a potential slam champion but really extremely few people have the potential to win slams.

No academy can churn out slam champions like a car factory does with cars, even in the top academies most players never make the top500 in the world.

That doesn't mean academies do a bad job but it is just hard and really 100 delusional parents pay for the training of 1 top20 player.
Fully agree with the above!

I wasn't saying his academy was bad or anything it's a fantastic facility I was just wondering more about him as a stand alone coach not his ability to run/promote his academy which he clearly does very well
 

Bukowski

Professional
Not being confrontational or anything but can you name anyone he has developed from a junior? He seems like the sort of guy who would keep reminding us about anyone he developed
Im not super familiar with PM but the coach who I had the dialogue w/ mentioned hes had a lot of success with very high level juniors. There is a deep webbed network of training staff and i think he leverages his actor like looks etc to achieve more than is perhaps more deserving of his actual ability. Easy for us comparative serfs to speculate this though. And as someone above mentioned ^ his family has money, i dont know how common that is to have financial stability for your high profile academy at a relatively young age, but i dont think its very high frequency.
 

Devtennis01

Hall of Fame
It's all about the connection with the coaches and players. A great coach and a great player means nothing if they don't have that personal chemistry. It's either there or it isn't. If the connection is there between the top coaches and the top players, bang- magic can happen. We know PM and Serena had that connection.
 
Im not super familiar with PM but the coach who I had the dialogue w/ mentioned hes had a lot of success with very high level juniors. There is a deep webbed network of training staff and i think he leverages his actor like looks etc to achieve more than is perhaps more deserving of his actual ability. Easy for us comparative serfs to speculate this though. And as someone above mentioned ^ his family has money, i dont know how common that is to have financial stability for your high profile academy at a relatively young age, but i dont think its very high frequency.
Okay makes sense so he focuses more on high performance juniors!

I will check out orange bowl results etc and see if he had many winners in stuff like that so.

Sounds like he didn't need to worry about his first month's rent payment anyway!
 
It's all about the connection with the coaches and players. A great coach and a great player means nothing if they don't have that personal chemistry. It's either there or it isn't. If the connection is there between the top coaches and the top players, bang- magic can happen. We know PM and Serena had that connection.
Definitely!

Opinion on the Halep and Cahill partnership?
 
He could be the equal to what Phil Jackson was when he was coaching those Bulls team with Jordan, Pippen, etc. Any of us "rec player/fans" ;) pretty much could have rolled the balls out there and they would have won. He pretty much had the Michael Jordan of women's tennis, hard to screw that up. Give him Halep, Kerber, Mugu and see if they get grand slams under him. I would take the under on the bet.
Still have no idea how Cahill got her over the line eventually...the guy looked like he wanted the ground to swallow him at times
 

Devtennis01

Hall of Fame
The unethical Moratgolou got romantically involved with his client which is completely inexcusable by any professional code of conduct. Serena foolishly continues to retain him as her so-called "coach".

We feel like taking a bath just looking at this sleazy cheat.

I would agree. I like Venus' side eye here. She is a wise one.
 

Devtennis01

Hall of Fame
Heard that he comes from a very wealthy background. Rich daddy.
Thanks for the info, and the other poster who also pointed it out.
PM certainly went far with that money. He will be selling lessons at his academy off the back of Serena for some time to come.
 

Bagel Boy

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He could be the equal to what Phil Jackson was when he was coaching those Bulls team with Jordan, Pippen, etc. Any of us "rec player/fans" ;) pretty much could have rolled the balls out there and they would have won. He pretty much had the Michael Jordan of women's tennis, hard to screw that up. Give him Halep, Kerber, Mugu and see if they get grand slams under him. I would take the under on the bet.
Yeah, just look at all the rings Jordan won before Phil got there. :rolleyes: And let's not forget all the rings Kobe won before Phil got there.

Right.
 

fed1

Professional
Yeah, just look at all the rings Jordan won before Phil got there. :rolleyes: And let's not forget all the rings Kobe won before Phil got there.

Right.
I encourage you to take a look at the rosters , with or without Phil Jackson all those teams were stacked. :rolleyes:
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
A lot of tennis coaches are charlatans. It doesn't take much to build up a client base once you have got your foot in the door with one tour player. Many of the high end coaches have went to players and there has been little to no difference in their play.

If he has had a tennis academy since the 90s, maybe there's more to it, you need serious capital to start up your own tennis academy so I wonder how he managed that.

I just looked it up and it says he coached Baghdatis since 1999, but as for the AO 2006, nothing was said about him and it was all about the other guy. I don't think Maratoglou was at most of the matches.

He gives off the impression that he's most certainly a poser.
I've seen some of his "coaching" clips. He is no different than the 4.0 teaching pro in your local park.
 

Bagel Boy

Rookie
I encourage you to take a look at the rosters , with or without Phil Jackson all those teams were stacked. :rolleyes:
I suggest you do the same. Obviously, you haven't.

Then do the same with the Lakers, because you're clearly misinformed.

Like, we're really going to pretend Phil didn't bring those teams over the hump.
:rolleyes:
 
I went to his tennis academy in Plaisir (just outside of Paris) when I was 14. The first thing they did when I arrive was shove his autobiography into my hands and then charge me for it. It's all about the name he has made for himself, he did absolutely no coaching at the academy. I met Grigor Dimitrov as well as Liam Broady and Sabastian Lavie when they were all training there, and even they had their own coaches and absolutely nothing to do with him! They were just using the facilities (which were pretty incredible btw)
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
Coaches are often overrrated and useless.
Particularly at the pro level when players have already developed their skills.

"I do not need a Coach. I don't need anyone to tell me how to play tennis".
-- Jimmy Connors.
 
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