Peak Andy Murray vs Peak Stefanos Tsitsipas on clay?
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spottishwood
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spottishwood
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People usually forget that Sir Andrew Barron Murray OBE leads Djokovic 2-0 in Wimbledon.
NeutralFan
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Murray 8-2.
Tennis_Monk
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This is a tough one. It is much easier to predict the winner between 83.74% Peak Murray and Mostly Peak but slightly off Stefanos.
spottishwood
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Ofc lol. Murray's general operation level matches the big 3 and most others score rather low in this metric. Only Delpo seems somewhat closer to me. It's his peak which is somewhat questionable.
spottishwood
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Murray RG'14 vs Tsitsipas RG'20?
Is this even a question? Peak Berdych is better than peak Sissy ever will be, regardless of slams. At least the former had to contend with prime versions of the big 3-5. I miss those times - Soderling, Del Potro, Berdych, Tsonga, Verdasco (for a few yrs), Davydenko, even Simon, etc. They'd wipe the floor with the current crop.
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dapchai
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That's a GOAT level achievement from the Glaswegian On Attacking Tennis. I already wrote an essay about one of the two matches.
Revisiting the Greatest Match Of All Time
As a @Federer and Del Potro fan, I regret that one of them already retired while the other will be hanging his racket soon. I feel absolutely humbled watching them share the court in 2009. The quality of ballstriking, their movements, their anticipations, and their determination were out of this...
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spottishwood
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There was reason behind this thread lol. I knew Tsitsipas would get annihilated if not for Clay. But I've noticed apologists arguing that Tsitsipas could win many RG titles. So I found a decent opponent from a different period in Murray. His weakest surface was Clay.
spottishwood
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I believe Murray still wins it. We are maybe yet to see Tsitsipas' ceiling but that's gonna be a bit limited given his struggles versus Alcaraz.
spottishwood
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Murray actually knew how to play Peakovic, something even 2015 Peak Fedr didn'tThat's a GOAT level achievement from the Glaswegian On Attacking Tennis. I already wrote an essay about one of the two matches.
Revisiting the Greatest Match Of All Time
As a @Federer and Del Potro fan, I regret that one of them already retired while the other will be hanging his racket soon. I feel absolutely humbled watching them share the court in 2009. The quality of ballstriking, their movements, their anticipations, and their determination were out of this...
.Also, Who's better in your opinion? Imported Englishman Greg or Imported Englishmen Cam?
The Guru
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Don't know what Tsitsipas' ceiling is and I think there's a chance last year is about as good as it gets for him but even if that's true he'd be able to hang with peak Murray on clay. His FH is the best shot on the court in that matchup and Murray doesn't have the raw fire power to consistently break Stef down on the dirt given Stef is actually a good mover. Again Murray has the edge here but Stefanos would win some matches if they faced off a number of times. Late in RG in BO5 I trust Murray to gut it out but in BO3 with less on the line and fitness playing less of a factor I think we're basically splitting hairs. Maybe 55/45 Murray.
Bender
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Rule 2 is that if Fedr does lose a hypothetical, then the person arguing against hypothetical Fedr (let's call that person Nathaniel) must be a previously-banned new joiner claiming to be a lurker, who obviously only started watching tennis in 2011, and that it gives you licence to stereotype an entire fanbase based on Nathaniel's purported favourite player.
spottishwood
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Agreed. Tsitsipas is not actually the player Murray would like to play. Murray will need to move very well in the first place to beat Tsitsipas. I was actually talking about slams. Murray was also not the best slam player in his heyday but I'd still rate him higher than Tsitsipas. Both are excellent BO3 players. Murray might edge him out on a general level but Tsitsipas' peak is up there. So yeah, agree with 55-45. I'd still give him 60-40 just cuz he beat Stan in SF
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Bender
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The difference is that Murray can actually return, whilst Tsitsipas' ROS makes Berrettini look like Djokovic. Murray would hold pretty easily provided he's not having one of those 40% first serve in days.Agreed. Tsitsipas is not actually the player Murray would like to play. Murray will need to move very well in the first place to beat Tsitsipas. I was actually talking about slams. Murray was also not the best slam player in his heyday but I'd still rate him higher than Tsitsipas. Both are excellent BO3 players. Murray might edge him out on a general level but Tsitsipas' peak is up there. So yeah, agree with 55-45. I'd still gim him 60-40 just cuz he beat Stan in SF
spottishwood
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I still believe that Tsitsipas, even with his servebot-esque return, might get enough balls into play given the Surface. He'd not do well in BO'5 but his firepower might do the trick at times in BO'3. If both are slightly off-peak, Murray would steal it like 8-2 clearly.
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Murray.
2015 level and 2016 semi does it for me.
2015 level and 2016 semi does it for me.
AnOctorokForDinner
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Murray, not even close LOL.
MeatTornado
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I can't completely rule out current Murray beating Tsitsipas on clay
spottishwood
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LOL. He might actually do it if he finds Tsitsi on the latter's off day.
I'd give 2015-16 Clayray the edge, for sure, but we're comparing a player who's played (for all intents and purposes) his entire career to a 23-year-old. At the same age, Murray had 0 clay finals and 1 top-10 win on the surface (over Davydenko). Tsitsipas may very well have hit his ceiling, but if he can make even a little bit of improvement on his 2021 form, he could definitely surpass Murray in this comparison.
