NatF
Bionic Poster
I have yet to put anyone on ignore - probably would be a good idea.
I have yet to put anyone on ignore - probably would be a good idea.
kandamrgam
Hall of Fame
Haha, may be I haven't seen him enough here. I do think he is over the top when it comes to Nole. He keeps saying things like "Novak is an offensive shotmaker, in the league of Federer", but that's ok
I can stand crazy fans, but cant stand haters. There are quite a few of latter kind here though dont want to name them. Hate comes with achievements. So we can expect for Fedal. Djoke hate will start to gain momentum once he reaches the 10-12 Slam mark. Potro is loved universally today, but for all his goodness, it doesn't matter. Once he reaches the x vs y discussions hate will surface.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
That's a pretty impressive feat!
I have a pretty long list by now, let me know if you need any tips ;-)
He's a hater alright - both with respect to other players and with respect to any poster who doesn't give Novak his due + an added 50 % or so.Haha, may be I haven't seen him enough here. I do think he is over the top when it comes to Nole. He keeps saying things like "Novak is an offensive shotmaker, in the league of Federer", but that's ok
I can stand crazy fans, but cant stand haters. There are quite a few of latter kind here though dont want to name them. Hate comes with achievements. So we can expect for Fedal. Djoke hate will start to gain momentum once he reaches the 10-12 Slam mark. Potro is loved universally today, but for all his goodness, it doesn't matter. Once he reaches the x vs y discussions hate will surface.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
it sure could. anyhow, let me know and I can send you my list privately should you need it...I'm tempted to ask but it could descend into b-itching territory
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Deleted member 307496
Guest
A rung below Hewitt and Murray too..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa-HavaFbOs
I'm sorry, but he is not in the same stratosphere as Marat or Federer..
Chico
Banned
What does this supposed to mean? Would you people please stop implying ridiculous things about me. It is against rules, I do not appreciate this bully attitude from you at all and I will have to start reporting you. Thanks.
Unbelievable.
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Chico
Banned
Ok thanks, but than you should not troll about me like here:
I'm honouring your favourite smiley by your name itself
You don't even get that? Unbelievable :-chico
I don't appreciate it, it does not add to the meaningful discussions and is derailing the threads. Thanks.
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Chico
Banned
If you ignore someone you should not post insults towards her/him. And you are a certified Novak hater indeed.
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Deleted member 688153
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What does this supposed to mean? Would you people please stop implying ridiculous things about me. It is against rules, I do not appreciate this bully attitude from you at all and I will have to start reporting you. Thanks.
Unbelievable.
I disagree with a lot of what you say, but you are actually quite polite and I find it admirable that you stick by your man so much.
Also you can be funny sometimes
Flash O'Groove
Hall of Fame
And that's it. His peak was high enough and lasted long enough to win him 7 slams. Nadal's peak was high enough and lasted long enough to win twice as many. High level of tennis is only useful if you can make it last, otherwise we could also consider Nalbandian (lasted a few week) or Rosol (lasted a few game).
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
this was by no means an insult, but a statement of fact.
the end/
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Oh yeah he would. Like the millions of Turkeys today.
kandamrgam
Hall of Fame
I am sorry. I didn't think it was offensive. Just having some fun here teasing you
Wont repeat!
kandamrgam
Hall of Fame
1. I do not think Hewitt and Murray are as effortless as Nishikori. I'm also sorry. In fact I wont bring them in the discussion at all.
2. I didnt say he is in the same stratosphere as Safin or Federer.
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90's Clay
Banned
Peak Nole struggled with an older Federer.
Peak Nadal was dominating everything in sight in 2008-early 2009 before injuries and was the only player in history to win 3 slams in one calendar year on 3 different surfaces.
Obviously the answer is Peak Nadal.
You can still argue Nole is at peak yet he only managed 1 slam this year
Peak Nadal was dominating everything in sight in 2008-early 2009 before injuries and was the only player in history to win 3 slams in one calendar year on 3 different surfaces.
Obviously the answer is Peak Nadal.
You can still argue Nole is at peak yet he only managed 1 slam this year
Start da Game
Hall of Fame
2008 nadal.....
Start da Game
Hall of Fame
The_Mental_Giant
Hall of Fame
The scenario in 2011 was not only due to Novak good level but to Nadal's mental block and decline on his backhand and serve...., The truth both players peak never really coincided, the peak of Djokovic was around 2011- early 2012 meanwhile nadal's absolute peak was mid's 2008 to mid's 2009.
Peak nadal vs peak djoko?
Australian open: 3-2 djokovic
French Open: 5-0 Rafa
Wimbledon: 3-2 Nadal.
US Open: 3-2 Nadal
BO3 is hard to predict, I have Rafa clearly dominating montecarlo, madrid and rome and having some edge at canada and cici.
Djokovic would dominate shangai, paris, the wtf and having the edge at Miami. IW would be pretty much dead even.
So rafa leads in 3 slams and 5 m1000
Djokovic leads in 1 slam, 3 m1000 and wtf.
1m1000 being dead even.
The h3h out of 50 matches would probably be 30-20 favoring nadal.
Peak nadal vs peak djoko?
Australian open: 3-2 djokovic
French Open: 5-0 Rafa
Wimbledon: 3-2 Nadal.
US Open: 3-2 Nadal
BO3 is hard to predict, I have Rafa clearly dominating montecarlo, madrid and rome and having some edge at canada and cici.
Djokovic would dominate shangai, paris, the wtf and having the edge at Miami. IW would be pretty much dead even.
So rafa leads in 3 slams and 5 m1000
Djokovic leads in 1 slam, 3 m1000 and wtf.
1m1000 being dead even.
The h3h out of 50 matches would probably be 30-20 favoring nadal.
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Wonder why Chanwan was banned?
He asked to be, temporarily.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Huh? Why would Chanwan ask to be banned temporarily?
If he wanted to take a break (which I read that he did) why didn't he just take a break and not post. Why ask for a ban? WTH?
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Deleted member 512391
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This has nothing to do with Djokovic's matches against Nadal. Nadal doesn't have Federer's serve, nor he has his backhand slice (which are two of the shots that have troubled Djokovic the most). Plus, he is not as aggressive as Federer, on daily basis. All these factors make Federer tough customer for Djokovic.
Another example: Michael Stich had always troubled Sampras (actually, he has a winning record against him, 5-4), where Agassi absolutely owned Stich (6-0), but it didn't help him against Pete.
I believe this thread is all about matchup between these two, not about who is a better player, which is obvious - 14 >>> 7.
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Deleted member 307496
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Thing is, Nadal has had periods of absolute dominance over Djokovic (namely the US hardcourt swing of 2013) and has proven that when he plays his best he is more than a match for him.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
I wouldn't use 2013 as an example, Nadal beat him 5 straight times in 08.
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Deleted member 512391
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Well, I disagree. After Nadal's streak of five wins in a row against Djokovic in 2009 and Djokovic's seven consecutive wins between 2011 - 2012, I believe they are balanced.
By the way, what "absolute dominance over Djokovic in 2013" are you referring to? They played two matches, one in Montreal (extremely close, third set tie-break) and at the USO open, which is not "a dominance" by any means.
After that match, Djokovic won four matches in a row. Before Djokovic's streak, Nadal won 6 out of seven matches (2012-2013).
The_Mental_Giant
Hall of Fame
We are talking about peak..
Rafa at RG 2008 vs Novak at RG 2012/2013?
Novak at AO 2011 vs Rafa AO 2009?
Rafa at Wimbledon 2008 vs Novak at Wimbledon 2013?
Rafa at USO 2010 vs Novak at USO 2011?
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Deleted member 512391
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I already expressed my thoughts on this subject (second page). I mostly agree with your predictions regarding Majors, with the exception of Australian Open. I believe that Djokovic would have a clear edge (4-1, for example), because he troubles Nadal in slow conditions (slow hard court and humidity) - Miami, AO.
Flash O'Groove
Hall of Fame
You are right, but both Montreal and especially the USO were on Djokovic turf and he was the heavy favorite in both matches, even more at the USO. Nadal did to Djokovic what he did to Federer in 2008: he defended RG and then went on to beat Djokovic on HC!
What happened later during the fall season showed what should have happened during the summer: Djokovic has the game to beat Nadal on HC, he is a better hard-courter than him. But he is half the champion that Nadal is, and couldn't deliver when it mattered the most.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Inb4 you're called a hater
To be fair Nadal's form dipped in the fall, he was in better form at the USO up to the finals as well.
Flash O'Groove
Hall of Fame
Inb4 you're called a hater
To be fair Nadal's form dipped in the fall, he was in better form at the USO up to the finals as well.
Nadal has the greatest champion's mind. Nobody can match his will nor the intensity he can produce. But this very talent burn him out.
vernonbc
Legend
Oh geez. People have been saying this about Rafa since he was in his early 20s. He already has had a very long and productive career. Only guy to have won a slam for ten consecutive years, only guy to have won a slam nine times, only guy to have won a couple of top tier tournaments eight times (Monte Carlo and Barcelona) and many more assorted records. If he retired today he'd have a long long list of accomplishments that put him right in with the best players to have played this game. He hasn't burned out at all.
Flash O'Groove
Hall of Fame
I think he has, and that's one of the reasons why he miss big chunk of each years.
Man of steel
Hall of Fame
Djoko's smash at the end......
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Deleted member 688153
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LOL at mouth watering
Anyway. Fed is not making the final so moot point.
You really think he'd lose like that? Really?
You think Novak would break Federer's serve that many times?
Novak is supposed to be the best returner in the world, and even in AO 2011 form (his best ever) he struggled to break Federer's serve once per set.
It would be a close 4-set affair, probably 7-5 6-7 6-4 7-6 for Novak.
Fed had mono in 08, and Djokovic isn't in AO 2011 form any more.
6-2 6-3 6-2? What are you smoking?
Djokovic can barely beat Top 30 guys by that scoreline, even at the AO.
I wouldn't even rule out Federer winning to be honest, if Djokovic was having a sub-par day.
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2011 is way too ingrained in some peoples heads. You take that ONE year out, and I struggle to see how Djokovic has a higher level in any way, shape or form. (I don't see it with it either :lol
First time in tennis history, the Number Two ranked player beats # the top ranked 7 straight times, in one year, but "...take that ONE year out..."
ROTFLMAO!!!! Other than THAT, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the theater?
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Deleted member 688153
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Djokovic would be victorious in their H2H peak for peak, but Nadal has a higher 100% level definitely.
RG 2008.
All that needs to be said really.
RG 2008.
All that needs to be said really.
blarvitread
Banned
Peak to peak Nadal wins on clay and grass. Djokovic wins most of the time on hard courts, but not all the time, just like Nadal wouldn't win all the time on grass. Peak Nadal would win every single match on clay. Overall Nadal.
CrazyTennisFan
Rookie
well said blarvitread
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
I've loved the play actually. 14>>>>>>>7 dear
That 20 minute action sequence from Djokovic was nice and all, but Nadal is the man standing on Tier 1 at the end I've loved the play actually. 14>>>>>>>7 dear
THAT remains to be seen, certainly from Novak's perspective. A broken down, oft injured grinder is, mercifully, nearing the end-losses to ham and eggers at Wimbledon 3 years running and getting "straight setted" by 17 year olds does not portend great things in the future-and, if you take away all those slams on that inferior surface, he's not all that(you see, TWO can play that game).
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MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
:lol: 6 can play that game for all I care. Nadal>>>>>>Djokovic as of the time of this post, and the King isn't done
When Djokovic can win more than 1 slam a year, maybe I'll raise an eyebrow. I remain carefree.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
:lol: 6 can play that game for all I care. Nadal>>>>>>Djokovic as of the time of this post, and the King isn't done
Wow, so are you saying you don't value Nole's last two YE#1s just because he didn't win more than 1 Slam throughout MN?! :shock:
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vernonbc
Legend
You do realize, don't you, that before that run of Novak's, Rafa had won five straight and afterwards Rafa came back and beat him five out of the six next times they played so that run of seven isn't all that important in the big picture except for historical trivia. Out of those three runs, the h2h was 10-8 in Rafa's favour. Of course this stat will blow the minds of those who think the only year that tennis mattered was 2011.
vernonbc
Legend
No, his last two #1s don't mean as much as his 2011 #1 since his main competitor didn't play for six or seven months of the year. 2011 was fair and square because he beat all comers.
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