Peak Federer's losses?

[axlrose]

FTFY

Your username tells me that you're 100% objective so I may disagree with you but I'm thankful for your contribution to this thread. ))

 

[Federev]

Fed has not quite peaked yet, Duh.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

That one tournament (Wim 03) was definitely peak level.
As was Hamburg 02. But these were not representative of a consistent level across months.

Federer didn't do that great b/w Wimbledon 03 and YEC 03.
won only 1 minor tournament IIRC.

Edit :
l to Jiri Novak in Gstaad final in 5 sets
lost to Roddick in Montreal SF in 3 sets
lost to Nalby in Cincy 3R in 2 sets
lost to Nalby in USO in 4 sets
won Vienna
lost to Ferrero in Madrid SF in 3 sets
lost to Henman in Paris QF in 2 sets

Why shouldn't this be part of prime? Most losses to top players (except Ljube in Basel), esp his early nemeses (Nalbandian, Henman, Hewitt). That counts as early prime imo, comparable to 2008 HC record outside of slems (but then the only slam in this period was a loss to Nalbandian - not bad in the context). The difference from pre-prime is that Federer was no longer losing to journeymen on big occasions (Horna, lol).

 

[abmk]

Why shouldn't this be part of prime? Most losses to top players (except Ljube in Basel), esp his early nemeses (Nalbandian, Henman, Hewitt). That counts as early prime imo, comparable to 2008 HC record outside of slems (but then the only slam in this period was a loss to Nalbandian - not bad in the context). The difference from pre-prime is that Federer was no longer losing to journeymen on big occasions (Horna, lol).

well you have part of it there. 2008 HC record in slams, especially the USO.
If whole of 2008 was only HC and filled with non-slam performances like Dubai, IW, Miami, Canada, Cincy, YEC, then I'd hesitate to put it as part of prime as well. But it wasn't. He did well at Monte Carlo+Hamburg+Halle+Wimbledon; well enough at RG (before the final).

If you picked just 2008 early HC season , I would say that's not prime level tennis from Fed ........... AO, Dubai, IW, Miami.

Also in 2003, Fed barely escaped Draper in Cincy 03 (9 MPs saved IIRC), barely escaped Verkek in Paris 03 (4 MPs saved IIRC).
Basically, it was some entertaining tennis from Fed in that span as far as style of play&close matches go, but not consistent/good enough to be called prime level.

Its a bit messy to some extent due to 4R loss to Nalby at the USO
If Fed had progressed to say the semi and then lost to Nalby, atleast he'd have gone deep at the USO and the argument for prime would be stronger.
or if he had played better vs Nalby to make it an epic loss instead of going down in 4 sets ....maybe something like Sampras v Korda in USO 97.

 

[Phoenix1983]

2015 WI final
2015 UO final

Post-peak Federer.

As I’m sure you know.

 

[Deleted member 742196]

It's my go-to way to try and derail troll threads.

Has it been fruitful?

 

[oldmanfan]

Poor Hewitt. He had a 16 match winning streak heading into the 2004 USO final. The announcers thought that it might be a good match. In 2004, Fed knocked Hewitt out of the AO, Hamburg, Wimbledon, USO, and the Master’s Cup(beat him twice here in straight sets). To some up 2004 for Hewitt , he was a solid 8-3 vs the top 10, when excluding Fed. This includes a 6-3, 6-2 trashing of Peak Roddick in the Master’s Cup semis. Against, Fed, Hewitt was 0-6. He only won 2 sets against Fed in those 6 matches. However, he was bageled 4 times and was dished a breadstick another time.

Here’s a record of Fed’s that I haven’t heard mentioned much at all. Fed ended 2004 a perfect 18-0 vs the top 10. This includes 11 straight set blowouts.

A 6-0 7-6 6-0 slam finals is stuff of fiction. I did not know Hewitt was in such form going in, win streak of 16, wow!

And Fed going 18-0 for the year against top10 is pretty nutty. That should be part of the record, 24-0 vs. top10, that he holds. It's one of the crazier, unsung records.
I mean, Fedalovic can lose to Donskoy/Rosol/Istomin, so going 24-0 vs. top10...

 

[Pheasant]

A 6-0 7-6 6-0 slam finals is stuff of fiction. I did not know Hewitt was in such form going in, win streak of 16, wow!

And Fed going 18-0 for the year against top10 is pretty nutty. That should be part of the record, 24-0 vs. top10, that he holds. It's one of the crazier, unsung records.
I mean, Fedalovic can lose to Donskoy/Rosol/Istomin, so going 24-0 vs. top10...

Fed was nuts in 2004. Part of me thinks that was his best year, due to the way he destroyed the best in the world. 4 bagels and a bread stick vs Hewitt, a bagel against peak Roddick. Come on. Fed probably should have been kicked out of tennis after bageling Roddick and his world record speed serves at that time.

2004 Fed vs 2006 Fed. I would like to hear @abmk input on that one. I think Fed’s competition in 2004 was tougher. But 2006 had the better 92-5 rcord, which is just insane.

 

[oldmanfan]

Fed was nuts in 2004. Part of me thinks that was his best year, due to the way he destroyed the best in the world. 4 bagels and a bread stick vs Hewitt, a bagel against peak Roddick. Come on. Fed probably should have been kicked out of tennis after bageling Roddick and his world record speed serves at that time.

2004 Fed vs 2006 Fed. I would like to hear @abmk input on that one. I think Fed’s competition in 2004 was tougher. But 2006 had the better 92-5 rcord, which is just insane.

Considering Fed2018 went 48-10 and managed YE#3, his 2006's 92-5 is absolutely bonkers.. almost 2X wins! Fed was 25yo, yet this year, youngsters like 21yo Z are complaining about long seasons.
tsk tsk

They need to toughen up and Fedr.

 

[thrust]

I exclude Claydal because I believe He's some kind of extra terrestrial. Some ancient Gods came here in vimanas.

Somewhat true about Nadal, but Roger did grow up playing on clay and with his great game should have done better against Nadal on clay. The same is true with Djokovic. I think some of Roger and Novak's problem with Nadal on clay was mental, as well as physical.

 

[Sysyphus]

The question in the thread title is an oxymoron that doesn't make sense, semantically speaking.

Sorta like asking, The bachelor's wives?

 

[Pheasant]

Considering Fed2018 went 48-10 and managed YE#3, his 2006's 92-5 is absolutely bonkers.. almost 2X wins! Fed was 25yo, yet this year, youngsters like 21yo Z are complaining about long seasons.
tsk tsk

They need to toughen up and Fedr.

Generations after Fed got to learn from his mistakes. Fed was averaging nearly 89.25 matches a year from 2003-2006. That is insane. But he would have broken 90 had he not severely sprained his ankle. During the off-season, he played squash and also went skiing. It is no wonder that he ended up with mono! And I think that we saw the effects in 2007. By 2008, it came to a head.

It's a shame that Fed sprained that ankle. He might have put up a 92-3 record to destroy Mac's 1984 record had he not damaged the ankle.

His an article about Fed's terrible ankle sprain.


Federer fretting over injury

By Mark Hodgkinson in Shanghai
12:01AM GMT 11 Nov 2005

Roger Federer had previously been experiencing "a strange feeling" during his training sessions here, and yesterday the Swiss admitted that his recent ankle injury may prevent him from defending his title at the Masters Cup, a tournament that is supposed to be an exhibition of the finest that tennis can offer.
A strong hint of vulnerability from the world No 1 was to be expected. At one stage there was a fear that he would not even make it to China. Federer damaged ligaments in his right ankle after a training mishap four weeks ago, he was left walking on crutches and forced to cancel three tournaments on his schedule. His opening group match will be his first competitive tennis for more than a month - he has not played since defeating Scotland's Andy Murray in the Bangkok final.
Worryingly for locals and tournament officials, who have already lost three headline names in Marat Safin, Lleyton Hewitt and Andy Roddick, Federer was yesterday talking of how "health comes before success". The last thing the Chinese need now is Federer hobbling and shuffling away from the Qi Zhong Stadium, a futuristic, 15,000-seat arena that has been built specially for the Masters Cup. Federer is meant to be the star of the show, which starts on Sunday.
Federer, who is attempting to win his third successive Masters Cup title, said: "I don't know the chances of me winning here because of my foot. I'm here to defend the title but health comes before success. I just hope that I can play my first match without any pain."

 

[ghostofMecir]

Roddick Canada 2003
Nalbandian Cincinnati 2003
Hewitt Davis Cup 2003
Nadal Miami 2004
Safin AO 2005
Nadal RG 2005
Nalbandian WTF 2005
Nadal Dubai 2006
Nadal Monte Carlo 2006
Nadal Rome 2006
Nadal RG 2006
Murray Cincinnati 2006
Cañas Indian Wells 2007
Cañas Miami 2007
Nadal Monte Carlo 2007
Volandri Rome 2007
Nadal RG 2007
Djokovic Canada 2007
Nalbandian Madrid 2007
Nalbandian Paris 2007
Gonzalez WTF 2007
Djokovic AO 2008
Roddick Miami 2008
Murray Dubai 2008
Nadal Monte Carlo 2008
Nadal RG 2008
Nadal Wimbledon 2008
Murray Madrid 2008
Murray WTF 2008
Murray Doha 2009
Nadal AO 2009
Murray IW 2009
Djokovic Miami 2009
Djokovic Rome 2009
Djokovic Basel 2009

I think you’re forgetting all the losses from 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, and the ones that will eventually be in 2021 when he really hits his peak at 40.

 

[BeatlesFan]

The vast majority of the people listing these peak Fed losses never watched most (or any) of the matches they're discussing. People are just cutting and pasting matches they never were even around for (from a prior thread on this topic years back).

Below are the losses that peak Fed sustained when he was healthy and motivated. I include that caveat because in the Rafa 2004 match in Miami Fed had heat stroke the previous day and in the Murray 2006 Cincy match was as loss from an unmotivated and exhausted Fed. Also unmentioned is that in late 2005, Fed sustained a serious ankle injury with ligament damage where he was on crutches for a month. The Nalby loss at the YEC was a direct result of being off crutches only a few weeks.

Best examples of peak Fed losses?

1. AO 2005 semi against Safin
2. Dubai 2006 against Nadal
3. 2007 Canada against young Novak

He was playing PEAK level and still lost.

 

[abmk]

Fed was nuts in 2004. Part of me thinks that was his best year, due to the way he destroyed the best in the world. 4 bagels and a bread stick vs Hewitt, a bagel against peak Roddick. Come on. Fed probably should have been kicked out of tennis after bageling Roddick and his world record speed serves at that time.

2004 Fed vs 2006 Fed. I would like to hear @abmk input on that one. I think Fed’s competition in 2004 was tougher. But 2006 had the better 92-5 rcord, which is just insane.

2004 definitely had better competition.
Federer was really impressive in that he made himself a cut above everyone else in that year.
As compared to 2003 end where it nearly a 3-way tie for #1 b/w himself, Roddick and Ferrero. With Agassi being a solid #4.

I'd take 2004 AO fed over 2006 AO fed
2006 RG fed over 2004 RG fed
2006 Wim fed over 2004 Wim fed
2006 USO fed over 2004 USO fed (Even though the Hewitt USO match is Fed's best ever match at the USO)
YEC 2004 fed over YEC 2006 Fed

The main difference b/w 2004 and 2006 fed was that 2006 fed was clearly better on clay.
2006 Fed was better overall, but I think 2004 fed tends to get a bit under-rated.

 

[Pheasant]

2004 definitely had better competition.
Federer was really impressive in that he made himself a cut above everyone else in that year.
As compared to 2003 end where it nearly a 3-way tie for #1 b/w himself, Roddick and Ferrero. With Agassi being a solid #4.

I'd take 2004 AO fed over 2006 AO fed
2006 RG fed over 2004 RG fed
2006 Wim fed over 2006 Wim fed
2006 USO fed over 2004 USO fed (Even though the Hewitt USO match is Fed's best ever match at the USO)
YEC 2004 fed over YEC 2006 Fed

The main difference b/w 2004 and 2006 fed was that 2006 fed was clearly better on clay.
2006 Fed was better overall, but I think 2004 fed tends to get a bit under-rated.

That is some awesome stuff, as usual. Your breakdown of various seasons, surfaces, and events is remarkable.

 

[EloQuent]

Fed was nuts in 2004. Part of me thinks that was his best year, due to the way he destroyed the best in the world. 4 bagels and a bread stick vs Hewitt, a bagel against peak Roddick. Come on. Fed probably should have been kicked out of tennis after bageling Roddick and his world record speed serves at that time.

2004 Fed vs 2006 Fed. I would like to hear @abmk input on that one. I think Fed’s competition in 2004 was tougher. But 2006 had the better 92-5 rcord, which is just insane.

I think people discount 2004 because he lost in FO early, when in 05-07 he reached SF/F and lost to Rafa. But truth is, losing to Guga is no shame either.

 

[abmk]

That is some awesome stuff, as usual. Your breakdown of various seasons, surfaces, and events is remarkable.

thanks !

 

[BHServe]

2015 WI final
2015 UO final

I’m looking forward to list peak Novack losses in 2021

 

[ghostofMecir]

The vast majority of the people listing these peak Fed losses never watched most (or any) of the matches they're discussing. People are just cutting and pasting matches they never were even around for (from a prior thread on this topic years back).

Below are the losses that peak Fed sustained when he was healthy and motivated. I include that caveat because in the Rafa 2004 match in Miami Fed had heat stroke the previous day and in the Murray 2006 Cincy match was as loss from an unmotivated and exhausted Fed. Also unmentioned is that in late 2005, Fed sustained a serious ankle injury with ligament damage where he was on crutches for a month. The Nalby loss at the YEC was a direct result of being off crutches only a few weeks.

Best examples of peak Fed losses?

1. AO 2005 semi against Safin
2. Dubai 2006 against Nadal
3. 2007 Canada against young Novak

He was playing PEAK level and still lost.

Here’s what amazing by these losses: Federer WON MORE POINTS OVERALL than Safin, Nadal, and young Novak did respectively in these matches.

 

[oldmanfan]

Here’s what amazing by these losses: Federer WON MORE POINTS OVERALL than Safin, Nadal, and young Novak did respectively in these matches.

dem pesky tennis scoring system

 

[axlrose]

I’m looking forward to list peak Novack losses in 2021

Why do you have to waste so much time? Just see post #47.

 

[strongwilled]

Federer was actually hobbled by injuries against Safin in the AO 2005 match.

Ankle problems against Nalbandian in TMC 2005, too.

 

[BHServe]

Why do you have to waste so much time? Just see post #47.

Wrong.

According to Lou a player is at his peak at 34, not 24. So we have to wait until Novack peaks in a few years and then see who he loses against.

 

[OldschoolKIaus]

Safin AO05

The rest was pure luck and clay is ****, so that surface doesn't count.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Roger Federer really did get nuts in 2004.

 

[abmk]

On top of my head, these are the 24 losses from YEC 03 to YEC 07 :

04 :
Henman Rotterdam 04
Costa Rome 04
Kuerten RG 04
Nadal Miami 04
Hrbaty Cincy 04
Berdych Oly. 04

05 :
Safin AO 05
Gasquet MC 05
Nadal RG 05
Nalby TMC 05

06 :
Nadal Dubai 06
Nadal MC 06
Nadal Rome 06
Nadal RG 06
Murray CIncy 06

07 :
Canas IW 07
Canas Miami 07
Nadal MC 07
Volandri Rome 07
Nadal RG 07
Djokovic Montreal 07
Nalby Madrid 07
Nalby Paris 07
Gonzalez YEC 07 RR

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Top 3 matches in terms of form :
AO 05 vs Safin
Rome 06 vs Nadal
Pick any one of : Djokovic Montreal 07, Nalby Madrid 07, Nalby Paris 07, Gonzalez YEC 07 RR, Nadal Dubai 06, Nadal MC 06

then you have Nadal RG 05, RG 06, RG 07, Gasquet MC 05 left out among the good matches.
YEC 05 was good for the 1st 2 sets and then the comeback in the final set. So yeah, that's sort the bridge b/w the good matches and the rest of the matches which were not good.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Best performance was Rome 06 IMO

 

[GOATcheese]

Federer loses to '94 or '97 Sampras on fast grass, and medium to fast hards. Not untouchable against a player unwilling to buy into the invincibility aura and bounce him out the stands (like Pete)

 

[EloQuent]

Federer loses to '94 or '97 Sampras on fast grass, and medium to fast hards. Not untouchable against a player unwilling to buy into the invincibility aura and bounce him out the stands (like Pete)

Counterpoint: nah.

 

[beltsman]

Fed's peak runs from November of 2003 until February of 2007. During that time frame, he went 264-15 with an outrageous .946 winning pct. I don't believe that any player since McEnroe in 1984 posted that type of winning percentage for a single year, let alone a 3+ year span. This is sick.

From March of 2007 until the end of the season, Fed only managed a 56-9 record, a .861 winning pct. he started getting upset by lesser players far more often, which includes losses to Canas twice, Volandri, Nalbandian twice, and Gonzalez. He also was far less dominant during this span. He didn't dish out many bagels or bread sticks like his insane run listed above. I think Fed was getting burned out. And yet, from this point on, he still won 2 of 3 slam titles and the WTF.

Here are his losses(I'll exclude clay since Fed's clay record wasn't as insane as the rest of the surfaces here) during his peak run listed above:

2004 Rotterdam QF: Henman beat Federer 6-3, 7-6
2004 Miami R32: Nadal beat Federer 6-3, 6-3
2004 Cinci R64: Hrbaty beat Federer 1-6, 7-6, 6-4
2004 Olympics R32: Berdych beat Federer 4-6, 7-5, 7-5
2005 AO semis: Safin beat Federer 5-7, 6-4, 5-7, 7-6, 9-7
2005 WTF final: Nalbandian beat Federer 6-7, 6-7, 6-2, 6-1, 7-6
2006 Dubai final: Nadal beat Federer 2-6, 6-4, 6-4
2006 Cinci R32: Murray beat Federer 7-5, 6-4

Most notable losses away from clay? I'll go with his loss to Safin at the 2005 AO semis, followed by his 2006 Dubai loss to Nadal in the final.

Some inexplicable losses. The Olympics...

 

[Sudacafan]

Roddick Canada 2003
Nalbandian Cincinnati 2003
Hewitt Davis Cup 2003
Nadal Miami 2004
Safin AO 2005
Nadal RG 2005
Nalbandian WTF 2005
Nadal Dubai 2006
Nadal Monte Carlo 2006
Nadal Rome 2006
Nadal RG 2006
Murray Cincinnati 2006
Cañas Indian Wells 2007
Cañas Miami 2007
Nadal Monte Carlo 2007
Volandri Rome 2007
Nadal RG 2007
Djokovic Canada 2007
Nalbandian Madrid 2007
Nalbandian Paris 2007
Gonzalez WTF 2007
Djokovic AO 2008
Roddick Miami 2008
Murray Dubai 2008
Nadal Monte Carlo 2008
Nadal RG 2008
Nadal Wimbledon 2008
Murray Madrid 2008
Murray WTF 2008
Murray Doha 2009
Nadal AO 2009
Murray IW 2009
Djokovic Miami 2009
Djokovic Rome 2009
Djokovic Basel 2009

What a loser!!

 

[Night Slasher]

Roger Federer really did get nuts in 2004.

And then, a year after, Rafa pulled his gun on him and asked "tell me something, amigo, you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?".

 

[King No1e]

Roddick Canada 2003
Nalbandian Cincinnati 2003
Hewitt Davis Cup 2003
Nadal Miami 2004
Safin AO 2005
Nadal RG 2005
Nalbandian WTF 2005
Nadal Dubai 2006
Nadal Monte Carlo 2006
Nadal Rome 2006
Nadal RG 2006
Murray Cincinnati 2006
Cañas Indian Wells 2007
Cañas Miami 2007
Nadal Monte Carlo 2007
Volandri Rome 2007
Nadal RG 2007
Djokovic Canada 2007
Nalbandian Madrid 2007
Nalbandian Paris 2007
Gonzalez WTF 2007
Djokovic AO 2008
Roddick Miami 2008
Murray Dubai 2008
Nadal Monte Carlo 2008
Nadal RG 2008
Nadal Wimbledon 2008
Murray Madrid 2008
Murray WTF 2008
Murray Doha 2009
Nadal AO 2009
Murray IW 2009
Djokovic Miami 2009
Djokovic Rome 2009
Djokovic Basel 2009

The fact that you could compile all his losses over six years into one post, and I don't even have to scroll to see the whole post, says everything about peak Federer

 

[Deleted member 763024]

Roddick Canada 2003
Nalbandian Cincinnati 2003
Hewitt Davis Cup 2003
Nadal Miami 2004
Safin AO 2005
Nadal RG 2005
Nalbandian WTF 2005
Nadal Dubai 2006
Nadal Monte Carlo 2006
Nadal Rome 2006
Nadal RG 2006
Murray Cincinnati 2006
Cañas Indian Wells 2007
Cañas Miami 2007
Nadal Monte Carlo 2007
Volandri Rome 2007
Nadal RG 2007
Djokovic Canada 2007
Nalbandian Madrid 2007
Nalbandian Paris 2007
Gonzalez WTF 2007
Djokovic AO 2008
Roddick Miami 2008
Murray Dubai 2008
Nadal Monte Carlo 2008
Nadal RG 2008
Nadal Wimbledon 2008
Murray Madrid 2008
Murray WTF 2008
Murray Doha 2009
Nadal AO 2009
Murray IW 2009
Djokovic Miami 2009
Djokovic Rome 2009
Djokovic Basel 2009

Wait 2008 and 2009 were his peak?

I remember distinctly Roger was starting to get written off in 2008 after the slam losses in AO, FO and Wimby. Only the USO saved his year somewhat.

For me Roger’s peak was 2004-2007

 

[comeback]

Roddick Canada 2003
Nalbandian Cincinnati 2003
Hewitt Davis Cup 2003
Nadal Miami 2004
Safin AO 2005
Nadal RG 2005
Nalbandian WTF 2005
Nadal Dubai 2006
Nadal Monte Carlo 2006
Nadal Rome 2006
Nadal RG 2006
Murray Cincinnati 2006
Cañas Indian Wells 2007
Cañas Miami 2007
Nadal Monte Carlo 2007
Volandri Rome 2007
Nadal RG 2007
Djokovic Canada 2007
Nalbandian Madrid 2007
Nalbandian Paris 2007
Gonzalez WTF 2007
Djokovic AO 2008
Roddick Miami 2008
Murray Dubai 2008
Nadal Monte Carlo 2008
Nadal RG 2008
Nadal Wimbledon 2008
Murray Madrid 2008
Murray WTF 2008
Murray Doha 2009
Nadal AO 2009
Murray IW 2009
Djokovic Miami 2009
Djokovic Rome 2009
Djokovic Basel 2009

I went to a hypnotist to make like these never happened

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Wait 2008 and 2009 were his peak?

I remember distinctly Roger was starting to get written off in 2008 after the slam losses in AO, FO and Wimby. Only the USO saved his year somewhat.

For me Roger’s peak was 2004-2007

Here is a custom list I prepared for you then:

Roddick Canada 2003
Nalbandian Cincinnati 2003
Hewitt Davis Cup 2003
Nadal Miami 2004
Safin AO 2005
Nadal RG 2005
Nalbandian WTF 2005
Nadal Dubai 2006
Nadal Monte Carlo 2006
Nadal Rome 2006
Nadal RG 2006
Murray Cincinnati 2006
Cañas Indian Wells 2007
Cañas Miami 2007
Nadal Monte Carlo 2007
Volandri Rome 2007
Nadal RG 2007
Djokovic Canada 2007
Nalbandian Madrid 2007
Nalbandian Paris 2007
Gonzalez WTF 2007

 

[Deleted member 763024]

Here is a custom list I prepared for you then:

Roddick Canada 2003
Nalbandian Cincinnati 2003
Hewitt Davis Cup 2003
Nadal Miami 2004
Safin AO 2005
Nadal RG 2005
Nalbandian WTF 2005
Nadal Dubai 2006
Nadal Monte Carlo 2006
Nadal Rome 2006
Nadal RG 2006
Murray Cincinnati 2006
Cañas Indian Wells 2007
Cañas Miami 2007
Nadal Monte Carlo 2007
Volandri Rome 2007
Nadal RG 2007
Djokovic Canada 2007
Nalbandian Madrid 2007
Nalbandian Paris 2007
Gonzalez WTF 2007

What exactly am I staring at again?
“Oh wow look the GOAT lost a handful of matches over the span of a few years.”

Okay. So what?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

What exactly am I staring at again?
“Oh wow look the GOAT lost a handful of matches over the span of a few years.”

Okay. So what?

I'm simply preparing the list for you as per your definition of Fed's prime, you know, the topic of this thread.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Rome 06, best he has ever played on clay bar Hamburg (very low bouncing for clay).

One of the finest matches ever and a point away from winning against a young fresh legged Nadal I'm b05 on clay.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

It was impressive for Muzz to lead peak Federer 6-2 H2h2 and for Fed to turn it around to now lead the H2h 14-11.

The big 4 obviously pushed Fed to improve and evolve his game beyond his peak results years.

This was a good match between 19yo Murray and peak Federer at Cinci 2006: