Peak Murray vs Peak Medvedev on Hard Courts - who wins?

Who wins?

  • Peak Murray

    Votes: 73 70.9%

  • Peak Medvedev

    Votes: 30 29.1%
  • Total voters
    103
aman92

aman92

Legend
Let's take their peak versions at the current age of Medvedev. Both defeated Djokovic at the USO to win their first slam - Murray beat peak Djokovic but Medvedev probably the mentally strongest version of Novak. Both also reached the Aus Open final immediately afterwards.

Looking at their hard court stats :
Murray has more titles, more slam finals but Med reached a higher year end ranking and has a claim to be the best hardcourt player of his generation.

Who wins peak to peak - Match is played on an outdoor hard court.
 
Last edited:
Mainad

Mainad

Bionic Poster
aman92 said:
Let's take their peak versions at the current age of Medvedev. Both defeated Djokovic at the USO to win their first slam - Murray beat peak Djokovic but Medvedev probably the mentally strongest version of Novak. Both also reached the Aus Open final immediately afterwards.

Looking at their hard court stats :
Murray has more titles, more slam finals but Med reached a higher ranking and has a claim to be the best hardcourt player of his generation.
Click to expand...

Eh what??? :confused:
 
T

TheNachoMan

Guest
Medvedev will likely win 4-5 slams, at minimum. But I’ll still rate Murray higher. 11 slam finals, all but one against Federer or Djokovic in their prime years.
 
NeutralFan

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
Imo, Murray performance at the hc slams against big guys were more often than not disappointing, plus he has choked too many ao matches against Novak on HC slams .
 
InsideOut900

InsideOut900

Legend
aman92 said:
Let's take their peak versions at the current age of Medvedev. Both defeated Djokovic at the USO to win their first slam - Murray beat peak Djokovic but Medvedev probably the mentally strongest version of Novak. Both also reached the Aus Open final immediately afterwards.

Looking at their hard court stats :
Murray has more titles, more slam finals but Med reached a higher ranking and has a claim to be the best hardcourt player of his generation.

Who wins peak to peak - Match is played on an outdoor hard court.
Click to expand...
AO - Murray in 4 routine sets
FO and Wimb - Murray in straights
USO - Murray in 4 competitive sets
 
J

jondice

Semi-Pro
It would be long, draining match that felt endless. But, assuming Peak Med is right now? I'd give Murray the slightest of edges.
 
T

TheNachoMan

Guest
Murray has beaten Djokovic more recently at a slam than Federer has btw.
 
aman92

aman92

Legend
InsideOut900 said:
AO - Murray in 4 routine sets
FO and Wimb - Murray in straights
USO - Murray in 4 competitive sets
Click to expand...
Only hard courts, obviously Murray is much better on other surfaces

Agree with AO, but USO could go Med's way, Murray was never that consistent there compared to AO
 
NeutralFan

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
Mainad said:
Some of us have flashbacks of Murray beating each of the Big 3 in hardcourt Slams. None of us have any flashbacks of Medvedev doing this yet!
Click to expand...

Well, He beat a totally out of form Fed at Australian open . he never beat them when it mattered the most . I love Andy but he could never being it on against Big guys when it mattered the most ( on hc ) he was absolutely majestic in bo3 , never denied that.
 
InsideOut900

InsideOut900

Legend
aman92 said:
Only hard courts, obviously Murray is much better on other surfaces

Agree with AO, but USO could go Med's way, Murray was never that consistent there compared to AO
Click to expand...
USO 08 semi / USO 12 Murray beats any Medvedev in 4 competitive sets. Better now?

2012 Djokovic is still much better than 2019 Nadal or 2021 Djoker.
 
Mainad

Mainad

Bionic Poster
NeutralFan said:
Well, He beat a totally out of form Fed at Australian open . he never beat them when it mattered the most . I love Andy but he could never being it on against Big guys when it mattered the most ( on hc ) he was absolutely majestic in bo3 , never denied that.
Click to expand...

Not interested in excuses, only the stats. Fact remains that Murray beat each of the all-time Big 3 in hardcourt Slams. Medevedev has yet to do this.
 
aman92

aman92

Legend
D.Nalby12 said:
Murray got straight setted by 34 yo Fed in slam. Nadal is not at his peak but still he is impressive.
Click to expand...
And Med got destroyed by 34 year old Djokovic a year ago. I am talking about hard courts and also comparing what they have achieved at their current ages. Med hypothetically could win more hard court slams taking advantage of a weak field but that's not the basis for comparison right now
 
D

D.Nalby12

G.O.A.T.
aman92 said:
And Med got destroyed by 34 year old Djokovic a year ago. I am talking about hard courts and also comparing what they have achieved at their current ages. Med hypothetically could win more hard court slams taking advantage of a weak field but that's not the basis for comparison right now
Click to expand...

Weak field lol. You're talking as of Murray didn't beat Freaking Raonic and Zombie Windovic to win his Slams.
 
D

D.Nalby12

G.O.A.T.
aman92 said:
His performance at 2021 USO Final was much worse and that had nothing to do with Medvedev
Click to expand...

Same I can say about his Wimbledon 13 Final loss. It had nothing to do with Murray. He just played awful Tennis.

The last thing Murray fans should do is to put down Slam wins of other players. Murray's slam wins were hardly impressive. He found Djokovic on his worst days - nothing special about it.
 
No_Kwan_Do

No_Kwan_Do

Semi-Pro
At this stage, Murray. He only won the 1 slam on HCs, but did reach 7 finals and a bunch other SFs. Not to mention his superior MS record.

Murray also had to play 3 of the GOATs regularly, either at their peak or in their respective primes, and he also beat them all at HC slams. Who's Med really had to compete with over the last couple of years? A steadily declining Novak, and zero-slammers Zod and Cheatsipas? Thiem hasn't been the same for the last 18 months.

There's a reason Murray gets a lot more credit than a 3-slam winner normally would on the tour, because he played with and won the most matches of any other player against the 3 best players to ever play the game.

Why are people claiming Novak was some sort of mental beast in last years USO? He was a shadow of himself and played like it. Probably the worst slam performance I've seen him put in since he came back from injury. Peak Murray would have routined him as well.
 
Jaitock1991

Jaitock1991

Hall of Fame
Hard to judge them based on their slam performances against the big guys imo. If Murray at his peak had the "luxury" of facing Rafa and Novak at this stage of their careers rather than when they were both more or less in their prime the way he did, then I'd say it's quite hard to deny that Murray would do at least as well as Medvedev has, probably significantly better. The opposite could be said about Medvedev (who in Murray's shoes would also have to deal with prime Fed).

As for how they would actually do against each other directly, it really depends on how their respective games match up against each other. They're both excellent HC players with plenty of tools to make life hard for each other. Would be a very interesting match to watch for sure!

My guess would be Murray in 4, but it could honestly go both ways to be fair.
 
Gary Duane

Gary Duane

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm going against the grain here.

Med has won around 56% of his career games on HC.

Murray is around 57%. Edge to Murray.

But I don't think we have seen the last of Med, so it may turn out to be close. At the moment I'd say just flip a coin.
 
abmk

abmk

Bionic Poster
peak Murray. better mover, better shot tolerance, better return.
importantly in their matchup, he'd slice Med to death.
 
Third Serve

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
NeutralFan said:
You won't be saying same once Medvedev becomes multi slam champions and win 5-6 slams on Hc. Btw these hypotheticals can't determine anything.
Click to expand...
Maybe, maybe not. But we’re comparing peak to peak and I’ve frankly seen more impressive stuff from Murray at his best than Med at his best on HC at this point in time. Like the US Open 2008 match against Nadal to name one.
 
D

Deleted member 758560

Guest
AnOctorokForDinner said:
*laughs*
Murray everywhere obviously.
Click to expand...
значит получается медвежонок не будет являться атг если он допустим выиграет 5-6 титулов, хотя сообщество будет смотреть только на число и то есть будет считать его атг, несмотря на всю слабину нынешнего тенниса, если пик маррея выше, в том числе и на грунте, но подоплека то такая возможна что в силу кое-каких обстоятельств, он не выиграл больше трех шлемов, и что мы получаем, как и следовало ожидать, что все эти толки абсолютно бессмысленны в определении кто более великий, по разным фронтам
 
Hood_Man

Hood_Man

G.O.A.T.
Murray every time. All he has to do is drag the match past the 3 hour mark and he'll win, and that's Murray's bread and butter.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

weakera
Who wins: Peak Federer vs. Peak Djokovic on clay?
Replies
43
Views
1K
ImmorTAL Big 3
I
M
  • Poll
Murray V Ferrer - Higher clay peak
Replies
21
Views
2K
BlackSilver
B
G
  • Poll
Peak Novak Djokovic vs peak Rafael Nadal at US Open, who wins?
2
Replies
88
Views
5K
Deleted member 770948
D
clout
  • Poll
Higher peak on HCs: Roddick or Medvedev?
2
Replies
50
Views
2K
One Handed Dynasty
One Handed Dynasty
N
Peak to peak 10 matches on grass - Djokovic vs Murray. Who wins ?
Replies
49
Views
1K
SecondToNone
SecondToNone
Top