Peak Nole vs Peak Rafa on clay

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Someone explain to me how Rafa wins. I saw in one thread that said Peak Rafa would beat Peak Nole on clay 100% of the time.

In 2011, one year after sNadal' best year, Nole was crushing him on clay. Might have beaten him FO as well due to confidence and the fact that Nole matches up well with Rafa.

Explain how Peak Rafa sweeps against Peak Nole clay season.
 
I agree. Fed took at least a set in both RG finals in 2006-07 when Rafa could bully his backhand.

Djokovic lost an intense 5 setter in RG SF 2013 (Rafa’s 3d best year) not being as good and aggressive as in 2011.

It would be a lot closer than people think.
 
Nadal leads 6-1 Djokovic at RG. Djokovic defeated him only in 2015, the worst Nadal year. Nadal was not injured in 2015, it is still a meritory victory from Djokovic, but that year Nadal was not confident with his game.

To suggest that Nadal was at his peak in 2015 is like claiming that Djokovic is at his peak in 2018. Djokovic does not have more elbow problems, he is not injured, but lacks confidence.
 
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Sorry, but I had to laugh about „one year after Nadal’s best year”.

With the same logic you could say: “In 2012, just one year after Djokovic’s best year, Nadal crushed him in all 3 clay finals they played.” And he did it at Roland Garros as well, not just hypothetically.

While Rome 2011 was clearly one of Djokovic’s best matches on clay, it is beyond me why Nadal should have been in peak form there as well (and not say in 2008, 2010, 2013 or 2017).

Again, with the same logic you could pick one of the many matches where Nadal beat Djokovic at RG and then just assume: “But Nole was at his peak there as well...”
 
Plamen1234 said:
Peak Nole lost to Stan and to Federer at RG lol.
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Clayovic wasn't 2015 lol. It was 2011. Plus Fed's game always matched up better against Nole comapred to Rafa. Plus it wasn't a blowout either.

Sport said:
Nadal leads 6-1 Djokovic at RG. Djokovic defeated him only in 2015, the worst Nadal year. Nadal was not injured in 2015, it is still a meritory victory from Djokovic, but that year Nadal was not confident with his game.
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We're talking about 2011 buddy

KG1965 said:
Rafa in 4 or 5 to French.
Rafa in 3 to Rome.
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How?! Pls explain?
 
Peak to peak

Rafa in 2 at MC
Rafa in 3 at Madrid
Rafa in 2 or 3 at Rome
Rafa in 4 at RG

There ain't nothing like Rafa on clay, plus I gave Novak a few sets.

Also, Rafa was better in 2007/2008/2010/2012/2013/2017 than in 2011 on clay.
 
ChrisRF said:
Sorry, but I had to laugh about „one year after Nadal’s best year”.

With the same logic you could say: “In 2012, just one year after Djokovic’s best year, Nadal crushed him in all 3 clay finals they played.” And he did it at Roland Garros as well, and not just hypothetical.

While Rome 2011 was clearly one of Djokovic’s best matches on clay, it is beyond me why Nadal should have been in peak form there as well (and not say in 2008, 2010, 2013 or 2017).

Again, with the same logic you could pick one of the many matches where Nadal beat Djokovic at RG and then just assume: “But Nole was at his peak there as well...”
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How was he not peak? He crushed everyone in clay season and outside of clay season as well outside of Nole. Sure. he wasn't as good 2010, but he certainly had better form than 2012 Nole when compared to 2011.

Lol. Nadal beat everyone convincingly on clay EXCEPT Nole...So...
vanioMan said:
Peak to peak

Rafa in 2 at MC
Rafa in 3 at Madrid
Rafa in 2 or 3 at Rome
Rafa in 4 at RG

There ain't nothing like Rafa on clay, plus I gave Novak a few sets.

Also, Rafa was better than 2011 in 2007/2008/2010/2012/2013/2017 (on clay).
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Rafa on clay in his young years still lost sets to Nole. 2017 Rafa doesn't count. Sucky competition. 2013 Rafa still lost to Nole and 2013 Nole took him to 5 sets at RG.

I'd have to look more at 2010 and 2008
 
KG1965 said:
No explain ... simply the "clay GOAT" can not lose a match. Nole is for me the 2nd all time and ... loses.
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Rafa third best year, 2013 Nole takes him to 5 at RG(should have won) and beat him at Monte Carlo
 
Nadal wasn't himself in 2015 and 2016 on clay. Nadal was 5-6 vs the top 10 on clay from 2015-2016. Andy Murray straight-setted him twice during this time frame, which includes a 6-3, 6-2 destruction in Madrid. As a matter of fact, all of Nadal's 6 losses against the top 10 were in straight sets. Fognini even went 2-1 vs Nadal on clay in 2015.

Nadal also wasn't at his peak in 2011 either. But Nadal still won the FO that year, along with 2012-2014.

Peak Nadal on clay was from 2005-2008. That is when Nadal had an 81 match winning streak on that surface. He was unbeatable. Peak Djoker could have stolen a couple of matches during that time frame. But he's not beating Nadal at RG.

As far as 2013 goes, Nadal dropped a set at RG to Klizan. Daniel Brands at RG won the first set against Nadal and pushed Rafa to a tiebreak in the 2nd set. This Nadal wasn't at his best on clay either. For the first time that I ever watched Nadal, I though that he was going to lose on clay when he matched up with Djoker. But he didn't lose.

Nobody is saying that peak Nadal would sweep peak Djokovic in all of their clay matches. But I think Nadal wins 80% of their matches, including every single one of their RG matches.
 
You have to laugh at the sick amount of matches Djokovic "should have won" but didn't. I mean, we can all check what actually happened, which is what matters in the end.

On topic, Nadal, and is not even close. Djokovic did trouble him in the smaller events, but couldn't beat him when it mattered the most until Nadal had a down year in 2015, arguably one of the two worst years of his pro career.
 
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BrokenGears said:
Rafa third best year, 2013 Nole takes him to 5 at RG(should have won) and beat him at Monte Carlo
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It may have been rafa's 3rd best year in general, but not even remotely close on clay.

2007, 08, 10, 12 were considerably better.
06 slightly better or about even at worst.
05,17 about even.
 
Hawaiian grip said:
You have to laugh at the sick amount of matches Djokovic "should have won" but didn't. I mean, we can all check what actually happened, which is what matters in the end.

On topic, Nadal, and is not even close. Djokovic did trouble him in the smaller events, but couldn't beat him when it mattered the most until Nadal had a down year in 2015, arguably one of the two worst years of his pro career.
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Nadal "not even close"

Lol
 
Djo isn't even an honorable mention compared to Nadal. Even Djo at his PED 'riod ragingin' best Nadal beat him.
 
in 2014 Djokovic beat Nadal going into RG, the same as 2011 he was beating him in masters before RG. But he couldn't get the job done in the 'big ones' , the slams.
If Djokovic in 2011 had gotten to that final, he would've bottled it against Nadal. Federer done him a favour beating him.
Djokovic has never really gotten close other than 2013, but Nadal was dropping sets to guys he should've had bagels against LOL
Nadal all day long at their peaks.
2015 really doesn't count, as Nadals form was shocking well before RG begun.
 
It's really hard to defend that a 1 time FO champ has a higher peak level than a 10 times FO champ. Rafa also leads their H2H on both FO and clay overall.

The ones thinking Nole has a higher peak level on clay are really grasping at straws here. They do the common mistake that haters usually do vs Federer, thinking that Feds level is constant, while the other players level goes up and down. In other words: Djokovic defeating Rafa on clay doesnt have to mean Djoker has a higher peak level, It could mean Rafa is having a bad period.
 
BrokenGears said:
Someone explain to me how Rafa wins. I saw in one thread that said Peak Rafa would beat Peak Nole on clay 100% of the time.

In 2011, one year after sNadal' best year, Nole was crushing him on clay. Might have beaten him FO as well due to confidence and the fact that Nole matches up well with Rafa.

Explain how Peak Rafa sweeps against Peak Nole clay season.
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If you're really 17 that explains your ignorance and unfounded over-the-top Djokovic love.
 
Oh my goodness, you are hopeless, OP!

All you need to know is this:

The h2h between Nadal and Djokovic at RG is 6-1 for Nadal and the only reason Nadal has one loss is due to the fact that at RG 2015, Nadal was a ghost of his best form.

I know that Djokovic beat prime Nadal on clay at Masters 1000s and it's great that Djokovic did that but when it really mattered on clay, i.e. at RG, Nadal was the winner.
 
Hey OP!

It took Novak 6 years to finally beat Rafa in a best of 3 on clay.

It took Novak 10 years to beat Rafa at RG (2015).

What Novak proved there in 2015 is that he can thrash the most experienced (9 time champion) and matured version ever of Peak Nadal on clay without even Breaking sweat. No wonder Rafa and I agree that Novak has highest tennis level ever. So Yeah, peak vs peak, it would be 10-0 to Nole, all straight set wins. However, if Rafa plays flawless, one of those 30 sets could be a tiebreak where Nole wins 7-5. :)
 
BrokenGears said:
Someone explain to me how Rafa wins. I saw in one thread that said Peak Rafa would beat Peak Nole on clay 100% of the time.

In 2011, one year after sNadal' best year, Nole was crushing him on clay. Might have beaten him FO as well due to confidence and the fact that Nole matches up well with Rafa.

Explain how Peak Rafa sweeps against Peak Nole clay season.
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Peak Rafa on clay will slay the fusion of Novak, Roger, Stan, and Murray on clay.
 
SilverSurfer23 said:
Peak Rafa on clay will slay the fusion of Novak, Roger, Stan, and Murray on clay.
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That’s a lie and you know it:)

2015 was no fusion. It was a pure unadulterated destruction of peak Rafa at the hands of Novak’s unbeatable highest level seen on a tennis court. Those 3 you mentioned couldn’t even touch baby Nadal 2005-2008.:)
 
Sabratha said:
If you're really 17 that explains your ignorance and unfounded over-the-top Djokovic love.
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I mean, I've watched Peak Fed videos. How am I ignorant? I just like Nole more...Is it a crime to not like Federer?

At least I fully admit my bias, which is more than some Fed fans are willing to go
 
Incognito said:
That’s a lie and you know it:)

2015 was no fusion. It was a pure unadulterated destruction of peak Rafa at the hands of Novak’s unbeatable highest level seen on a tennis court. Those 3 you mentioned couldn’t even touch baby Nadal 2005-2008.:)
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Hell 2007 Nole could beat Peak Fed and Peak Rafa golden set
 
BrokenGears said:
I mean, I've watched Peak Fed videos. How am I ignorant? I just like Nole more...Is it a crime to not like Federer?

At least I fully admit my bias, which is more than some Fed fans are willing to go
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You haven't watched more than highlights. You didn't experience just how untouchable peak Fed was. You just think because Nadal beat him on clay and other surfaces later on that he was beatable and everyone else were just mugs.

LOL. You don't know peak Fed dude.
 

Watch this and listen to the players opinions on peak Fed. ESPECIALLY Safin.
 
BrokenGears said:
I was going to do a legit comment, but this comment from you just made me learn that people are really really stupid
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Takes one to know one. :D

But really man, how can you argue that "Nole" is the greatest of all time if he has a losing record to Andy Roddick; Federer's main pigeon?

Even Nadal doesn't have a losing H2H to Rodman.
 
Sabratha said:
Takes one to know one. :D

But really man, how can you argue that "Nole" is the greatest of all time if he has a losing record to Andy Roddick; Federer's main pigeon?

Even Nadal doesn't have a losing H2H to Rodman.
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@Incognito or anyone with half a brain. Please explain this numbskull what sarcasm is. I know it is a very complex topic, but you should be able to handle it.

Like honestly, I said that Nole would golden set Peak Fed and Peak Rafa. How high are you? Double dose on meth and weed?
 
BrokenGears said:
@Incognito or anyone with half a brain. Please explain this numbskull what sarcasm is. I know it is a very complex topic, but you should be able to handle it.

Like honestly, I said that Nole would golden set Peak Fed and Peak Rafa. How high are you? Double dose on meth and weed?
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Backpedal mania right here bro.

Going to say you other trash threads/comments are sarcasm too? :D
 
Sabratha said:
Backpedal mania right here bro.

Going to say you other trash threads/comments are sarcasm too? :D
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OMFG lol.

I was serious for 3/4 of the thread and then me and Incognito had some banter that involved sarcasm. Please read and enlighten yourself.
 
BrokenGears said:
OMFG lol.

I was serious for 3/4 of the thread and then me and Incognito had some banter that involved sarcasm. Please read and enlighten yourself.
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Then you're mentally incapacitated in some way considering the OP is one of the dumbest topics ever created.
 
Sabratha said:
Then you're mentally incapacitated in some way considering the OP is one of the dumbest topics ever created.
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You're an idiot for believing that Peak Rafa would steamroll Peak Nole in two sets. Peak Nole is definitely taking Rafa to three at most or if not all of the clay tourneys.
 
BrokenGears said:
You're an idiot for believing that Peak Rafa would steamroll Peak Nole in two sets. Peak Nole is definitely taking Rafa to three at most or if not all of the clay tourneys.
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"Someone explain to me how Rafa wins. I saw in one thread that said Peak Rafa would beat Peak Nole on clay 100% of the time.
In 2011, one year after sNadal' best year, Nole was crushing him on clay. Might have beaten him FO as well due to confidence and the fact that Nole matches up well with Rafa.

Explain how Peak Rafa sweeps against Peak Nole clay season."

You would have to be the dumbest person on the forum to actually think that given they have played a number of matches at the French Open with your boy losing all them bar one (which came during a period where Nadal could've lost the QF to a mug like Murray).
 
BrokenGears said:
@Incognito or anyone with half a brain. Please explain this numbskull what sarcasm is. I know it is a very complex topic, but you should be able to handle it.

Like honestly, I said that Nole would golden set Peak Fed and Peak Rafa. How high are you? Double dose on meth and weed?
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Leave me out of this please. I was being Sirius with my poasts.:)
 
Sabratha said:
"Someone explain to me how Rafa wins. I saw in one thread that said Peak Rafa would beat Peak Nole on clay 100% of the time.
In 2011, one year after sNadal' best year, Nole was crushing him on clay. Might have beaten him FO as well due to confidence and the fact that Nole matches up well with Rafa.

Explain how Peak Rafa sweeps against Peak Nole clay season."

You would have to be the dumbest person on the forum to actually think that given they have played a number of matches at the French Open with your boy losing all them bar one (which came during a period where Nadal could've lost the QF to a mug like Murray).
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It's hard to explain stuff to someone who can't read.

Never mentioned 2015 first of all.

Djokovic has taken Rafa to at least 4 sets in many of their matches. 5 in 2013. It's not out of the question that Nole could have beaten Rafa at RG in 2011.
 
BrokenGears said:
It's hard to explain stuff to someone who can't read.

Never mentioned 2015 first of all.

Djokovic has taken Rafa to at least 4 sets in many of their matches. 5 in 2013. It's not out of the question that Nole could have beaten Rafa at RG in 2011.
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>Someone who doesn't read.
>Addressed the points in your post.

Lol.

BrokenGears... more like BrokenMind.

Also, Gulbis and Ferrer were taking sets off Nadal on clay in 2013.
 
Sabratha said:
>Someone who doesn't read.
>Addressed the points in your post.

Lol.

BrokenGears... more like BrokenMind.

Also, Gulbis and Ferrer were taking sets off Nadal on clay in 2013.
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1. You used 2015 as an argument. Never brought that up
2. Where TF did you explain to me how Peak Rafa beats Peak Nole? You were too busy wanking off to Peak Fed.

Federer was losing sets in 2005-2007 as well. As was Nole and Rafa. And those players are 10x better than the **** that Fed and Nadal had to "fight" through in 2017 and 2018
 
BrokenGears said:
1. You used 2015 as an argument. Never brought that up
2. Where TF did you explain to me how Peak Rafa beats Peak Nole? You were too busy wanking off to Peak Fed.

Federer was losing sets in 2005-2007 as well. As was Nole and Rafa. And those players are 10x better than the **** that Fed and Nadal had to "fight" through in 2017 and 2018
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I did explain it. :)

They have already played a number of matches at the French Open. In 2012 Nadal hammered Djokovic in the final asserting his dominance over the clay field.

At least we agree on one thing. The players today kinda suck. It's like having a whole bunch of Ljubicic-type players in the top ten bar two guys.
 
Sabratha said:
I did explain it. :)

They have already played a number of matches at the French Open. In 2012 Nadal hammered Djokovic in the final asserting his dominance over the clay field.

At least we agree on one thing. The players today kinda suck. It's like having a whole bunch of Ljubicic-type players in the top ten bar two guys.
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2011 Rafa was miles better than 2012 Nole when coming off their respective peaks. And in those FO matches, they were often 4 sets.

:eek:
 
Sabratha said:
2012 Djokovic was still near his absolute best.
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Then 2011 Rafa was near his absolute best as well according to that logic.

I'm pretty sure 2011 Rafa performed miles better than 2012 Nole...
 
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