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Doubt any version of Nadal could take a set from peak Djoko at USO.
Peak Novak Djokovic vs peak Rafael Nadal at US Open, who wins?
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Nadalgaenger
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2011 Djokovic lost third set to Nadal
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
Arguably the best single set of all time. Peak Djokodal war of attrition.
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic. It won't be easy but it's gotta be him.
He was a monster in 2011. People underestimate him because the Federer match.
But he was on a different planet. He was so overwhelmingly strong from Baseline that his hampered serving didn't stop him from mauling Nadal.
Even in the third when Nadal gave his all, it seemed Djokovic was a shade better.
People get misled from the Federer match, Federer had a strong game plan and variety with a strong serve . He somehow managed to execute it all to utter perfection and got those two sets.
One small blip in concentration and he was routed in sets 3 and 4.
Nadal 2010 has the serve , but Djokovic 2011 can return well enough . Despite Nadal's aggression, he still made more errors in 2010 F than usual.
Imagine that against Djokovic who is superior from the baseline and will not only absorb most of Nadal's bombs but also make him run around rather than keep commanding. Errors will leak if Nadal chooses to keep being that aggressive.
2011 Djokovic by a hint
He was a monster in 2011. People underestimate him because the Federer match.
But he was on a different planet. He was so overwhelmingly strong from Baseline that his hampered serving didn't stop him from mauling Nadal.
Even in the third when Nadal gave his all, it seemed Djokovic was a shade better.
People get misled from the Federer match, Federer had a strong game plan and variety with a strong serve . He somehow managed to execute it all to utter perfection and got those two sets.
One small blip in concentration and he was routed in sets 3 and 4.
Nadal 2010 has the serve , but Djokovic 2011 can return well enough . Despite Nadal's aggression, he still made more errors in 2010 F than usual.
Imagine that against Djokovic who is superior from the baseline and will not only absorb most of Nadal's bombs but also make him run around rather than keep commanding. Errors will leak if Nadal chooses to keep being that aggressive.
2011 Djokovic by a hint
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
That was definitely bump-worthy.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
I really don’t know how this is still a debate. Nadovic played at the USO 3/4 years between 2010-2013, and RAFA won 2/3 matches. Both of them served terribly in 2011 which was a big reason they had so many crazy rallies, that and 2011 was one of the slowest playing editions in recent history. Darthdal was better than 2011dal in every facet of the game. The serve, deeper more powerful groundies, and no mental baggage would be the difference makers. I think he takes it in a tighter 4 sets.
The Guru
Legend
You won't even give him a set difference between 2010 and 2011 lmfaoI really don’t know how this is still a debate. Nadovic played at the USO 3/4 years between 2010-2013, and RAFA won 2/3 matches. Both of them served terribly in 2011 which was a big reason they had so many crazy rallies, that and 2011 was one of the slowest playing editions in recent history. Darthdal was better than 2011dal in every facet of the game. The serve, deeper more powerful groundies, and no mental baggage would be the difference makers. I think he takes it in a tighter 4 sets.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
The only thing I care about is the 2-1 H2H and 4 titles to 3 
The Blond Blur
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abmk
Bionic Poster
@ first bold part: Djok was tied 1 all vs Tipsy in the QF at first.
@ 2nd bold part: Only 4th set was a rout and federer was tiring and not moving well in that set (granted Djokovic played great). Fed found a second wind in the 5th. Up 2 MPs before that djokovic return and fed choking.
RS
Bionic Poster
Nadal didn’t make a lot of errors in the USO 10 final ......
MichaelNadal
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MichaelNadal
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DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal in 5 sets.
The Spaniard has something 'extra' in NY over the Serbian that for some reason he cannot replicate his enormous level shown at the Australian Open and transfer it to the USO; Bull seems a little more comfortable with the (old) surface, the crowds there and the city in itself.
The Spaniard has something 'extra' in NY over the Serbian that for some reason he cannot replicate his enormous level shown at the Australian Open and transfer it to the USO; Bull seems a little more comfortable with the (old) surface, the crowds there and the city in itself.
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PerilousPear
Professional
Whoever goes through LOLbredo, Berrettinni and Anderson will be fresher and therefore win the final.
PerilousPear
Professional
Whoever goes through LOLbredo, Berrettinni and Anderson will be fresher and therefore win the final.
PerilousPear
Professional
Whoever goes through LOLbredo, Berrettinni and Anderson will be fresher and therefore win the final.
PerilousPear
Professional
Whoever goes through LOLbredo, Berrettinni and Anderson will be fresher and therefore win the final.
6august
Hall of Fame
PerilousPear
Professional
It's a mistake. I was on mobile and using a bad wi-fi. Probably clicked it too many times waiting for it to load
zagor
Bionic Poster
Wow, im impressed. Slay
It's just what I think.
We have no way of knowing of course but if I was ever really impressed by Nadal off clay, it's 2010 USO.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Man if only Nadal could have kept that serve. He could have won a couple more big matches, or even swung the few points he needed AO12/AO17/Wimby18 if he could hit bombs like that still. Almost makes me mad how few aces he hits these days.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
I don't think Nadal even beats prime Djokovic if Djokovic isn't involved in 4h+matches in the SF against Federer/Wawrinka instead of 1,5h practice sessions against Youzhny, Gasquet or Berrettini.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Djokovic's fitness is just fine, and is literally one of the rarest reasons he loses a match. These guys are very fit at the top level, Djokovic breezed over Nishikori at Wimby 18 and Nadal had a 5 set war with Delpo and still played at a ridiculously high level against Novak in the semi for 2 days.
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Prime Djokovic couldn't even beat Nishikori at USO after the latter played 2 5 setters back to back with Raonic and Wawrinka
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tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Nishikori did more damage to Djokovic in that one match than Nadal did in all of his matches combined outside of clay since August 2013 LMAO. What's the h2h now, 0-16? Please remind me.Prime Djokovic couldn't even beat Nishikori at USO after the latter played 2 5 setters back to back with Raonic and Wawrinka
MichaelNadal
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Deleted member 775898
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Way to change the subject after getting owned, don't you think ?
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Nadal's fitness > Novak's.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Getting owned lmao. If it's such a big deal then let's discuss who prime Nadal lost to at Wimbledon as proof that he couldnt beat xyz.Way to change the subject after getting owned, don't you think ?
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Deleted member 758560
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u're right.. bringing up a very funny/'off the charts' argument as an evidence of something, i guess apollo didn't get the drift until now that apollo is getting owned by apollo
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Djokovic has no answer for Nadal's forehand down-the-line at the US Open, as we saw in 2010 and 2013.
In 2011 we didn't see much of Nadal's forehand down-the-line, as he lacked confidence and went crosscourt too much on big points.
Djokovic is extremely overrated at the US Open.
There is a reason why Nadal has won 4 US Opens to Djokovic's 3 US Opens, and why Nadal leads their US Open h2h 2-1.
In 2011 we didn't see much of Nadal's forehand down-the-line, as he lacked confidence and went crosscourt too much on big points.
Djokovic is extremely overrated at the US Open.
There is a reason why Nadal has won 4 US Opens to Djokovic's 3 US Opens, and why Nadal leads their US Open h2h 2-1.
SABRvolley
Rookie
Nadal was playing pretty close to his peak during 2011 USO, but Djokovic was too good.
There is your answer
There is your answer
Tennfan123
Legend
Nads in straights
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
The 2010 F was delayed until Monday due to rain, and the 2013 F was also played on a Monday. Joker had plenty of time to recover. With actual context your propaganda falls apart. You tried thoughIn his entire career, Rafa has never won a set in a Slam on the main surface against the GOAT—except when the GOAT was worn down by a 5-setter right before their encounter.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Lol, no.
SABRvolley
Rookie
25 year old, healthy Nadal was beating everyone up in that tournament, only Novak stopped him.
In fact, his 2011 USO draw was much tougher than both his 2010 and 2013 draws, yet he still made it to the final comfortably.
2011 Nadal was peak, Novak’s peak is just higher
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
If we are going to have an honest conversation about peak vs peak, then you’d have to use both player’s respective peaks. 2010dal played significantly better than 2011dal in the matches vs Joker. To pretend like 2011dal who was serving cream puff serves compared to the bombs 2010dal was serving alone disproves that 2011 was supposedly his peak. It’s always so funny when any tries to say that 2011 was better than his 2010 form.
Neptune
Hall of Fame
You are correct, evidence is clear when you remove all matches vs Nole:
Rafa | vs Top5 | T5 Weight | vs Top10 | T10 Weight | vs T11+ | T11+ Weight | vs All |
2008 | 4 (3-1) 75.00% | 4.82% | 13 (9-4) 69.23% | 15.66% | 70 (65-5) 92.86% | 84.34% | 83 (74-9) 89.16% |
2009 | 3 (2-1) 66.67% | 4.23% | 16 (9-7) 56.25% | 22.54% | 55 (52-3) 94.55% | 77.46% | 71 (61-10) 85.92% |
2010 | 4 (2-2) 50.00% | 5.19% | 12 (8-4) 66.67% | 15.58% | 65 (60-5) 92.31% | 84.42% | 77 (68-9) 88.31% |
2011 | 6 (5-1) 83.33% | 8.11% | 17 (13-4) 76.47% | 22.97% | 57 (53-4) 92.98% | 77.03% | 74 (66-8) 89.19% |
2012 | / | / | 7 (7-0) 100.00% | 16.67% | 35 (31-4) 88.57% | 83.33% | 42 (38-4) 90.48% |
2013 | 8 (6-2) 75.00% | 11.11% | 19 (17-2) 89.47% | 26.39% | 53 (51-2) 96.23% | 73.61% | 72 (68-4) 94.44% |
Racquet_smash
Professional
2011 Nadal wasn't peak Nadal just like 2013 Djokovic wasn't peak Djokovic.
