PEDs for over 60 amateurs

graycrait

Legend
I was reading about WADA and then I saw the Lepchenko story and wondered: is there a PED that would give me, an amateur "over 60 yrs" an edge without killing me and providing my heirs with a nice insurance policy? I don't want to hear or read about eating better, better conditioning, more lessons, etc. I want drug induced "magic!" Would Adderall, the college academic drug of choice, give me an edge?

Here is what the drug has to overcome: 1) severe presbyopia, bifocal wearer nearly legally blind without glasses 2) 20lbs overweight 3) 4.5ish skill ignoring speed and endurance 4) nearly 62 yrs old

Suggestions?

I can't think of anything I grew up with in the late 60's or early 70's when I was wearing bell bottoms, listening to Black Sabbath, Black Oak Arkansas or Pink Floyd that would make me a better tennis player now. Maybe you "youngbloods" have some chemo majick "notions."
 

Noveson

Hall of Fame
I was reading about WADA and then I saw the Lepchenko story and wondered: is there a PED that would give me, an amateur "over 60 yrs" an edge without killing me and providing my heirs with a nice insurance policy? I don't want to hear or read about eating better, better conditioning, more lessons, etc. I want drug induced "magic!" Would Adderall, the college academic drug of choice, give me an edge?

Here is what the drug has to overcome: 1) severe presbyopia, bifocal wearer nearly legally blind without glasses 2) 20lbs overweight 3) 4.5ish skill ignoring speed and endurance 4) nearly 62 yrs old

Suggestions?

I can't think of anything I grew up with in the late 60's or early 70's when I was wearing bell bottoms, listening to Black Sabbath, Black Oak Arkansas or Pink Floyd that would make me a better tennis player now. Maybe you "youngbloods" have some chemo majick "notions."

There isn't a drug out there that is significantly performance enhancing that isn't dangerous to your health without a lot of supervision. Anyways most of them wouldn't help you. You definitely don't want to be taking stuff like Winstrol at 62, even if it could make you stronger, help you lose fat. There's stuff out there that helps recovery, but unless you're working out very hard probably not helpful. Then tehre's stuff like EPO that does help endurance, but it is in no way just simply taking a pill.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
I was reading about WADA and then I saw the Lepchenko story and wondered: is there a PED that would give me, an amateur "over 60 yrs" an edge without killing me and providing my heirs with a nice insurance policy? I don't want to hear or read about eating better, better conditioning, more lessons, etc. I want drug induced "magic!" Would Adderall, the college academic drug of choice, give me an edge?

Here is what the drug has to overcome: 1) severe presbyopia, bifocal wearer nearly legally blind without glasses 2) 20lbs overweight 3) 4.5ish skill ignoring speed and endurance 4) nearly 62 yrs old

Suggestions?

I can't think of anything I grew up with in the late 60's or early 70's when I was wearing bell bottoms, listening to Black Sabbath, Black Oak Arkansas or Pink Floyd that would make me a better tennis player now. Maybe you "youngbloods" have some chemo majick "notions."
http://cheribundi.com/products/

drink this and you will play so much better.
 

graycrait

Legend
Nostradamus, LOL! My 91 yr old WWII Marine friend has been drinking this stuff (cheribundi) for years. We use the empty bottles to hold ammo. His advice to me, "Avoid doctors and especially surgery like the plague, what you don't know won't kill you!" He has not had a TV since 1976 but stays connected via the internet. He lives out in the woods about 150 miles from me with 10,000 books, half a dozen dogs and an internet connection. After Djoker got beat in the the US Open he calls me and asks how old Djoker is, I tell him like 29, then he says "What does that say about you at nearly 62?" He then laughs uproariously. I love that guy.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
I was reading about WADA and then I saw the Lepchenko story and wondered: is there a PED that would give me, an amateur "over 60 yrs" an edge without killing me and providing my heirs with a nice insurance policy? I don't want to hear or read about eating better, better conditioning, more lessons, etc. I want drug induced "magic!" Would Adderall, the college academic drug of choice, give me an edge?

Here is what the drug has to overcome: 1) severe presbyopia, bifocal wearer nearly legally blind without glasses 2) 20lbs overweight 3) 4.5ish skill ignoring speed and endurance 4) nearly 62 yrs old

Suggestions?

I can't think of anything I grew up with in the late 60's or early 70's when I was wearing bell bottoms, listening to Black Sabbath, Black Oak Arkansas or Pink Floyd that would make me a better tennis player now. Maybe you "youngbloods" have some chemo majick "notions."

* Presbyopia: No need to correct this for tennis. We're not trying to read the prints on the ball. The ball is supposed to turn blurry at the strike zone anyway.

* 20 lbs: Liposuction?

* 4.5 skill: Good enough. Take lessons if you wish to improve.

* Endurance & Speed: Human growth hormone, testosterone, and workouts?

* 62 years old: Play opponents your age.
 

graycrait

Legend
https://www.steroid.com/Winstrol.php Holy moly!

62 years old: Play opponents your age. I wish this were possible in my town. Any other at that age than me around here want to play doubles and I almost hate doubles. The local D1 coach tells me that I need to go to some metro areas and play USTA singles in my age group to see what happens. Trouble is I would rather drive 10 minutes to hit with an 18 yr old kid or 60 yr old woman trying to get better than driving to some big city to play another old guy trying to build their "mojo" beating some other old guy.

P.S. Presbyopia is a pain at dusk, when the lights need to come on and quite a while afterwards.
 
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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Nostradamus, LOL! My 91 yr old WWII Marine friend has been drinking this stuff (cheribundi) for years. We use the empty bottles to hold ammo. His advice to me, "Avoid doctors and especially surgery like the plague, what you don't know won't kill you!" He has not had a TV since 1976 but stays connected via the internet. He lives out in the woods about 150 miles from me with 10,000 books, half a dozen dogs and an internet connection. After Djoker got beat in the the US Open he calls me and asks how old Djoker is, I tell him like 29, then he says "What does that say about you at nearly 62?" He then laughs uproariously. I love that guy.
No wonder he is 91 and kicking. did he win the nationals last year ?
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
https://www.steroid.com/Winstrol.php Holy moly!

62 years old: Play opponents your age. I wish this were possible in my town. Any other at that age than me around here want to play doubles and I almost hate doubles. The local D1 coach tells me that I need to go to some metro areas and play USTA singles in my age group to see what happens. Trouble is I would rather drive 10 minutes to hit with an 18 yr old kid or 60 yr old woman trying to get better than driving to some big city to play another old guy trying to build their "mojo" beating some other old guy.

P.S. Presbyopia is a pain at dusk, when the lights need to come on and quite a while afterwards.

Well, as long as those young guns are willing to play with you, play on!

Regarding your vision, you might have other problems on top of your presbyopia; perhaps cataracts.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Check with your eye doc to see if there are any surgical options for your condition.

I'm a big fan of running, flexibility work, strength-training, nutrition work as it improves overall quality of life as you get older.

It might help your tennis too.
 

graycrait

Legend
One of my ideas this past 6 months or so was to help more "lesser" players get better. I'm no USPTA coach or even close but some days I am on the courts even more than I want, but what the heck. I do get to see what others do wrong and sometimes it is a mirror of what I may be doing, giving me some incentive to fix myself or note something for when I am taking lessons. Lots of folks I see get pigeon-holed in 3.0 or 3.5 league play and hit what I call "survival" tennis, never really getting any better because no one has said to them, "Maybe if you try it this way and I'll feed or hit practice balls for/with you." In my mind it takes a lot of reps away from competition to get better for competition, even local rec competition. It is sad to see places where courts are in disrepair or have been torn up, replaced with something more "popular." I don't have money or the early expert training to make a dent in the sport but I have time now to make a small contribution. Plus I get the best pickles on the planet for when I string that one senior lady's racket!
 

graycrait

Legend
movdqa, I used to be a 5 day a week gym rat, plus run a couple of miles nearly every day. I quit my gym about 3 years ago and have not had an injury since. I do about 4 miles of fast walking with the mutts most every morning. I was reading something the other day that makes me want to try something new for me. Nothing but bench, squat and deadlifts. Economical and for my age and desire to hang out in a gym doesn't take a lot of time. My eye doctor has made me sport specific glasses for shooting, fishing and tennis. We talked about eye surgery but I do some activities that take accurate and close up seeing skills I don't want to give up or modify with other magnifying devices. Family history shows I'll end up with cataracts one day and that will be the time I get my eye's "fixed." Life's compromises.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Sounds similar to what I do - but I enjoy it and it feels great. I agree that you need to be efficient with your workouts. I just discovered that one of my gyms has fixed barbells from 10 to 120 pounds. So I'll do squats and military press at that gym because it don't have to spend the time loading weight plates on the bar.

My former manager had cataract surgery several years ago and is happy with the results. Someone else around the office has had it done as well. My manager is about ten years older than me so I listen to what he goes through as I'll be there in a decade. He's well past retirement age and working three days a week for intellectual stimulation.
 

Noveson

Hall of Fame
Anyway whether you like it or not probably the easiest answer to getting faster/better conditioning is losing weight...
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
You don't need PEDs for playing USTA leagues to improve performance. Just sandbag like most these multi-year national teams and work the system. You'll see your record improve.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
Caffeine is considered, by many, to be an effective PED. In fact, I believe, WADA limits how much of it a competing athlete can have in their system (at the time of testing, of course). Personally, I found coffee to be somewhat effective as a PE beverage. The problem that I've had with coffee is that often resulted in the jitters (and reduced performance) after some 30 mins or so of competition.

While most energy drinks have not produced any satisfactory PE effects for me, I have encountered a number of notable exceptions. The latter includes Choco Energy (Now Foods), ProEndorphin (Nutraceutics), 5-Hour Energy and 6 Hour Power. (There have been a few others but some are no longer on the market). Many of these products appear to work most effectively on a relatively empty stomach (or in the absence of competing protein or amino acids). Effects are often enhanced by employing 10-15 minutes of cardio prior to competition.

While not a PED in the conventional sense, many athletes have found that a small amount of alcohol can improve athletic performance. It does so by calming the nerves enough to elicit or allow a peak performance. The problem with alcohol is the it will also reduce reflexes/RT and impair judgement in moderate or high doses. Generally, 1/2 serving (or a bit less), can elicit the desired PE effect. Those who claim that they play/perform (sports) better after 2 beers are probably deceiving themselves.

I've found some moderate benefit, myself, with 1/3 to 1/2 serving of alcohol. I've tested this out (some 15-20 years ago) employing psychometric testing software. The software suite that I was using employed a number of ECTs (elementary cognitive tasks). These ECTs tested/measured simple visual RT, simple auditory RT, complex (choice) RT, subliminal awareness, peripheral awareness and other athletic/cognitive skills.

Several studies have also shown positive PE effects with small amounts of alcohol. I came across 1 of these studies 2-3 months ago. I can try to dig that up if anyone is interested.
 
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SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
Modafinil and, to a lesser extent, Adrafinil (Olmifon) has been found to produce cognitive and athletic PE effects. Both are considered to be nootropic. I believe that WADA disallows both of these for competition. I've heard that Olmifon has been discontinued by the manufacturer a few years back. I believe, however, that other versions of Adrafinil are still readily available from various US sources (like GNC). Modafinil, which is regarded to be considerably superior to Adrafinil, can be obtained from a number of European (and, possibly, Canadian) sources. Those in the US, who are interested in Modafinil, might be able to purchase a 3-month supply from Euro or other sources.

Some have found Creatine to produce significant PE effects. For me, the effects have been subtle. Many athletes swear by Sodium Bicarbonate to be PE. Just learned about this and have never tried it as a PED myself. Other possible legal PEDs:

http://roidvisor.com/performance-enhancing-drugs-used-by-elite-athletes-that-are-surprisingly-legal/
http://sportsanddrugs.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=001204
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
If I am over 60, I prefer Viagra lol

This brings up an interesting point. While many denounce the use of PEDs for athletes, they readily accept the use of caffeine (or coffee) and Viagra to enhance their own performance. Certainly appears to be something of a double standard. We should hold athletes to a higher standard than the rest of us?

And how about PEDs vs Novak's egg chamber (CVAC Pod)?
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/novak-...cvac-space-egg-helped-climb/story?id=14406674
 

maggmaster

Hall of Fame
Heh I used Adrafanil to survive my daughters first two months of life while still feeling pretty normal. It has an amazingly smooth, slow energy release that lasts almost 14 hours. Watch the liver enzymes though, it can be a bit hepatoxic. The best performance enhancers in someone over 60 would almost certainly be testosterone and growth hormone but neither can be obtained legally without a prescription.
 

Noveson

Hall of Fame
This brings up an interesting point. While many denounce the use of PEDs for athletes, they readily accept the use of caffeine (or coffee) and Viagra to enhance their own performance. Certainly appears to be something of a double standard. We should hold athletes to a higher standard than the rest of us?

And how about PEDs vs Novak's egg chamber (CVAC Pod)?
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/novak-...cvac-space-egg-helped-climb/story?id=14406674

Because most people don't even have to think about it to realize the difference between caffeine and anabolic steroids or EPO. There's a very blurry line somewhere in the middle, but people that take the term "Performance Enhancing Drugs" in the most literal sense are completely missing why the term was created, and what the purpose of it is.
 
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Noveson

Hall of Fame
Heh I used Adrafanil to survive my daughters first two months of life while still feeling pretty normal. It has an amazingly smooth, slow energy release that lasts almost 14 hours. Watch the liver enzymes though, it can be a bit hepatoxic. The best performance enhancers in someone over 60 would almost certainly be testosterone and growth hormone but neither can be obtained legally without a prescription.

Neither of those would be good for someone over 60. The risk of serious adverse side affects would be much much larger than any potential benefit.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
I was reading about WADA and then I saw the Lepchenko story and wondered: is there a PED that would give me, an amateur "over 60 yrs" an edge without killing me and providing my heirs with a nice insurance policy?
How much bacon do you eat? Probably not enough.
 

graycrait

Legend
As the OP to this I have to laugh at most of this. I take ibuprophen once in a while, not every week and sometimes not every month. Other than red wine, "bacon" and other non-organic GMO laden food I am "drug free." Come on WADA the only Performance Enhancer I need is Ashaway Kevlar in the mains and Ashaway Zyex in the crosses of a 12.4-13.0 oz racket around 64-66 RA. More lessons wouldn't hurt.
 

Kalin

Legend
This brings up an interesting point. While many denounce the use of PEDs for athletes, they readily accept the use of caffeine (or coffee) and Viagra to enhance their own performance. Certainly appears to be something of a double standard. We should hold athletes to a higher standard than the rest of us?

I agree. That's why when I won and later defended my title at the World Lovemaking Championship I stayed all natural and relied on experience and finely honed skills. Faking it when you have to also helps; the rules allow it.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Many athletes swear by Sodium Bicarbonate to be PE. Just learned about this and have never tried it as a PED myself. Other possible legal PEDs:
I read about this just yesterday in another context (digestion) and it said that it buffers the lactic acid or delays build-up.

Maybe I should try it before my long runs, since i have digestive issues whenever I run over an hour or two.
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
1) severe presbyopia, bifocal wearer nearly legally blind without glasses 2) 20lbs overweight 3) 4.5ish skill ignoring speed and endurance 4) nearly 62 yrs old

Suggestions?

Almost the same here - astigmatism, 96 kg/185 cm, 62 yo - but lower skills. So I bought a ball machine last year and built a tennis court this year with my two left hands. Young people come to play. I don't like doubles either.

court14.jpg
 

TnsGuru

Professional
At 60 if you take PED's you run the risk of being DUA! But seriously, is it worth it? You see what it has done to young bodies...imagine a 60 yr old.
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This guy Dr. Life is 73 yrs old and has been on some HGH therapy. Looks like his head superimposed on a younger body.
 
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AllCourtHeathen

Guest
things that have worked for other professional athletes that were definitely clean:
Vegan diet & meditation
Eating horsemeat
Training at altitude
Protein shakes & Jesus
Paleo diet
 
I was reading about WADA and then I saw the Lepchenko story and wondered: is there a PED that would give me, an amateur "over 60 yrs" an edge

all the guys over 60 who I know have matured to the point that they're happy if they can just get out and play the game without hurting too much when they come off the court. Perhaps you should give some consideration to why at your age it still matters this much to have an "edge" over your peers.
 

graycrait

Legend
El Diablo, believe me, I never take myself too seriously playing tennis and my PED comment was tongue in cheek. I tell folks I play tennis with if I am not laughing I am not playing. I used to do serious stuff for a living, tennis is not serious stuff to me. It is a game, one that gives me the chance to play with the same abandon as I did when I was 10 yrs old. I'll walk off the court and have when wannabes get so serious about this game they suck the fun out of it. That doesn't mean I do not strive to get better, I practice nearly every day, but have some fun doing it, even against the wall.
 

Mac33

Professional
My Mitre walking shoes fitted with two quality insoles on each shoe that I play tennis with - last me no more than 4-5 weeks of constant play ( around 3-4 times per week)

This week my movement has been terrible as my legs have felt jaded.

After returning home today after playing tennis I put on a new pair of the same shoes.....and suddenly my legs sprung back to life!

The old shoes were around 7 weeks old and the softish sole had compacted to such an extent it was not providing me much cushioning.

No wonder I did not feel like chasing balls down.

To feel a new lease of life on your legs - change your shoes often!
 

maleyoyo

Professional
I was reading about WADA and then I saw the Lepchenko story and wondered: is there a PED that would give me, an amateur "over 60 yrs" an edge without killing me and providing my heirs with a nice insurance policy? I don't want to hear or read about eating better, better conditioning, more lessons, etc. I want drug induced "magic!" Would Adderall, the college academic drug of choice, give me an edge?

Here is what the drug has to overcome: 1) severe presbyopia, bifocal wearer nearly legally blind without glasses 2) 20lbs overweight 3) 4.5ish skill ignoring speed and endurance 4) nearly 62 yrs old

Suggestions?

I can't think of anything I grew up with in the late 60's or early 70's when I was wearing bell bottoms, listening to Black Sabbath, Black Oak Arkansas or Pink Floyd that would make me a better tennis player now. Maybe you "youngbloods" have some chemo majick "notions."
Magic?
If you want magic just get a girlfriend half your age because that would make you feel 15 years younger instantly.
All that chasing her around the house and beyond will do wonder to your stamina on and off the court
 

wsk429

Semi-Pro
Almost the same here - astigmatism, 96 kg/185 cm, 62 yo - but lower skills. So I bought a ball machine last year and built a tennis court this year with my two left hands. Young people come to play. I don't like doubles either.

court14.jpg

It's so beautiful and peaceful.
 
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