EloQuent
Legend
This explains so much.
People can't count
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I honestly do not know why "behaviour sounds completely obnoxious". Please explain clearly so I can understand.
What exactly do you not believe? This is an honest question.
I love hearing Old Timers speak (that's speak, not talk). They have so much life experience behind them.
I think Paul Orndorff said somewhere, "If you want people to hate you, just tell the truth."
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Tell me 1 thing he said that is not true.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/gym-musings.633938/post-13066989
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/gym-musings.633938/post-13066989
I'm an Old Geezer, and it's story time, kids.
100% true story.
I know a lady who is currently a semi-professional singer. She knows music, sound recording on magnetic tapes, electronics, everything. The style of singing she learned growing up is opera. I actually went to see my first opera with her, Tosca.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/which-is-your-first-language.638693/post-13279427
She used to go to the Duke Ellington School of the Arts. Her father moved around, so she ended up in public school. The first day in public school, she was speaking funny.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/is-it-racket-or-racquet.562237/post-13299732
They dragged her to the bathroom and beat the s**t out of her. She's black. The other kids were black, if I have to spell it out for you. That's what happens when you are better than the other kids.
100% true story.
I know a lady who is currently a semi-professional singer. She knows music, sound recording on magnetic tapes, electronics, everything. The style of singing she learned growing up is opera. I actually went to see my first opera with her, Tosca.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/which-is-your-first-language.638693/post-13279427
She used to go to the Duke Ellington School of the Arts. Her father moved around, so she ended up in public school. The first day in public school, she was speaking funny.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/is-it-racket-or-racquet.562237/post-13299732
They dragged her to the bathroom and beat the s**t out of her. She's black. The other kids were black, if I have to spell it out for you. That's what happens when you are better than the other kids.
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Cashman
Hall of Fame
As I said, the problems with your behaviour should be very obvious to anyone not on the autism spectrum.
If you sincerely have problems parsing the implications of what you're saying, then I'd strongly encourage professional help.
You didn't say anything. If it's obvious, tell me what is obviously wrong with me, exactly.
Cashman
Hall of Fame
The way you talk to people is rude and tone-deaf, and makes you look like an unpleasant person that it would not be enjoyable to spend time with.
If this is incomprehensible to you, seek help.
Oh excuse me. The way I talk. Not what I say, but the way I said it.
Maybe you don't like the way I talk is because of what I have to say.
"The truth you speak doth lack some gentleness . . . " - The Tempest - Shakespeare.
Cashman
Hall of Fame
The way you talk includes both what you choose to say, and how you choose to say it...
...like this.
Did you get beaten up much in school, son?
What does that even mean?
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/people-cant-count.642648/post-13324224
Am I weak because I got beat up in school? Are the guys doing the beating up the strong?
Is it better to do the beating up than to be beaten up? Answer that question directly. You're talking to Socrates here.
What I say and how I say it is of my choosing.
How you listen to it is of your choosing.
Cashman
Hall of Fame
Well yes. But when you talk to people in a snotty and overbearing way, they are going to choose to think that you are a jackass. And people don't like to associate with jackasses.
So maybe choose to be less of a jackass? Just a thought.
That doesn't sound anything. You choose the answer.
Is it better to do the beating up than to be beaten up?
I tell the truth, sugar coated or not.
Other people lie, pleasantly or not.
Liars can go to hell.
EloQuent
Legend
You say everyone else is stupid and wrong. I think you might be wrong sometimes, maybe all the time.
The black girl who went to an Art school got beaten up the first day in public school by the other black kids. Yes she did. What do have to say about that?
In the exact context of the exact words of this thread.
EloQuent
Legend
I answered your question. I think you either frame the facts with a bias, or you misremember the facts. Or maybe you're outright lying. All I know is that you keep posting threads about how everyone else is wrong. The common denominator is you.
That is your perception.
tennis tom
Legend
Actually, observing one of LGQ7's "meet-ups" (if they exist) might be interesting to attend and observe. Maybe Justin Gimelslob could be sentenced to attend and do a Tennis Channel show about them as part of his "community service" punishment. Maybe participants would have to be naked--sort of a "Tennis Naked and Afraid of Getting Hit by a Fuzzy Little Ball" sort of theme.
What did I say in this thread that you did not believe? when you wrote this:
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/people-cant-count.642648/post-13309165
It exists. It is run exactly like a chess club. Go to a chess club and see.
Cashman
Hall of Fame
It seems to be a fairly common one. If I were you, I'd be wondering why.
EloQuent
Legend
I don't believe you. It's really very simple.
Who cares what you believe, if you cannot explain why.
EloQuent
Legend
EloQuent
Legend
Precisely. I don't believe what you said because you said it.
Ad hominem (Latin for "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
This logical concept was laid down thousands of years before you were born. And it will continue thousands of years after you die.
Cashman
Hall of Fame
You think far too much of yourself, but that's not really the problem. I've met people who have more tickets on themselves, but nonetheless manage to be far more pleasant human beings.
You seem to take some sort of perverse pride in being unpleasant, which is quite mystifying. Niceness costs nothing.
That is your perception. How many times do I have to repeat it?
Cashman
Hall of Fame
In social interactions, the perception of the person you are talking to is reality. And an awful lot of people who you talk to have the same perception.
You can either deal with it or not. But whining about how you're so smart and misunderstood won't get you anywhere. Maybe go post it on tumblr with all the other angsty teens?
I'll repeat it again. The presence of a black student from an Art School is unpleasant to the black kids in public schools. So they beat the **** out of her.
Cashman
Hall of Fame
In that case, your behaviour is even more embarrassing.
I, being Socrates, will help you, seriously. You navigate through the world by numbers. If a lot of people do it, it must be correct. The theory is sound. But when you are in the boxing ring with a Master, you throw out the probables. The probables will get you killed in the boxing ring. Truth cannot be defined by numbers of people believing in it. It must be logically true.
Everything you learned in every boxing gyms in the world are thrown out of the window when you face this guy.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...ateboarding-and-climbing.640396/post-13237625
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Truth does not depend of the numbers of people believing in it. One house is different than all the others. It's the only one left standing.
That is the most beautiful metaphor I've ever heard. I doesn't matter if I said it, or somebody said it before me. Truth is truth, doesn't matter who discovers it, or re-discovers it.
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
The discussion isn't about truth. It's how the message is conveyed. You give no weight to the latter; most of society does. And, like your truth, it doesn't matter whether you believe it or not; it's how others perceive that will determine their reaction to you. From being banned from MeetUp groups to trying to take over other MeetUp groups to hounding new MeetUp group members about their score, your behavior turns people away.
Truth is not the issue as hard as it might be for you to believe. I suspect you know this but refuse to recognize it.
Let's get into it.
You suspect I lie to myself. I would not lie to myself.
I don't give a damn how other people perceive me, for myself. I only give a damn for their betterment that they should perceive me differently. I don't care how I deliver what I deliver. I come from a chess club. Let me tell you how out-of-this world a chess club is.
Every Friday, we meet in the basement of Church, for an average of 3 hours. 3 hours, that's average. It could go from 2 hours to 4 hours. 49 guys and 1 girl. And there is absolute silence! All you hear is the ticking of the old sckool mechanical clocks, made in West Germany, when there was an East and West Germany.
Imagine 50 women meeting every week in a room, the decibel in that room would be deafening.
Chess is so perfect, we don't need to talk. We are talking, but in a different way, in a different "language". Everything is on the board. Everything is precise. Everything is exact. Everything is "laid" out. Nothing is hidden, like cards, like people. A chess game is a conversation. This language I'm speaking with is a pale imitation of the language chess players speak. It is exactly like boxing. How you perceive me and how I perceive you matters. But what counts in the end is who is standing and who is not.
It literally is black and white.
I'm here yapping yapping yapping.
I wish you all would go to a chess club and see how it works. There is an order and a truth to it that is sublime. I'm trying to turn tennis into chess. I wish you could see it as I see it.
kylebarendrick
Professional
So how would your chess group go if someone showed up and insisted on replacing all of the pawns with rooks because they believe it is a better game?
As much as you may want to turn tennis into chess, other people show up for a tennis match with the intent of playing tennis. The onus is then on you to influence and convince, generally through building relationships. As I noted earlier in this thread, tennis games are played to 4. Insisting that people score to 21 and getting frustrated with them when they screw it up seems (from this person that wasn't there) unreasonable.
As much as you may want to turn tennis into chess, other people show up for a tennis match with the intent of playing tennis. The onus is then on you to influence and convince, generally through building relationships. As I noted earlier in this thread, tennis games are played to 4. Insisting that people score to 21 and getting frustrated with them when they screw it up seems (from this person that wasn't there) unreasonable.
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