people complaining in tennis

#1
Kind of paradoxical, I'm complaining about complaining... but its ok since its a paradox.

Inspired by this post by @Rafaboy https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?goto/post&id=12936053

its almost unbelievable. Read the AA poem ffs, control what you can, accept what you cant, and know the difference.

Yeah you get bad bounces on grass, so does the other guy. It all evens out at the end of the day. Same with lines and net cords.

People saying things like "he's so bad to play against cos he doesnt hit hard" LOL then it should be easy for you, with all the time in the world, to cream your shot. Cant do it? How about developing a bigger swing for that shot then. You probably just have a small swing that redirects pace. Or develop better positioning and ability to hit on the rise. Better yet, research some tactics applicable to your own gamw yourself.

The guy who sits there saying "yeah it was bad bounces and hes a **** pusher but id probably win normally im better" and loses 6-1 6-1 is spending his time complaining, falsely talking himself up, so he can continue to sit in a kind of mental comfort zone without having to strive. Whats worse, its putting down the guy who just beat them 6-1 6-1 who probably worked hard for that win with solid tactics, research and application.

Its akin to the 40 yearold still living at their parents home "yeah the world is a **** place thats why i wont go out in it". No. If that job washing dishes is all you can get right now, thats your job ntrp. Start there and build.

In the end the scoreline cant be argued with. Your rank cant be argued with. Facts dont care about your feelings, and its dangerous to start telling yourself fantasy stories like "i lost due to bad bounces". You lost because your opponent was better, somehow someway.


If you have a strong serve, reliable return, decent ground game and volleys... then you should be beating pushers etc anyway.

People will complain about anything
 
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#3
Kind of paradoxical, I'm complaining about complaining... but its ok since its a paradox.

Inspired by this post by @Rafaboy https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?goto/post&id=12936053

its almost unbelievable. Read the AA poem ffs, control what you can, accept what you cant, and know the difference.

Yeah you get bad bounces on grass, so does the other guy. It all evens out at the end of the day. Same with lines and net cords.

People saying things like "he's so bad to play against cos he doesnt hit hard" LOL then it should be easy for you, with all the time in the world, to cream your shot. Cant do it? How about developing a bigger swing for that shot then. You probably just have a small swing that redirects pace. Or develop better positioning and ability to hit on the rise. Better yet, research some tactics applicable to your own gamw yourself.

The guy who sits there saying "yeah it was bad bounces and hes a **** pusher but id probably win normally im better" and loses 6-1 6-1 is spending his time complaining, falsely talking himself up, so he can continue to sit in a kind of mental comfort zone without having to strive. Whats worse, its putting down the guy who just beat them 6-1 6-1 who probably worked hard for that win with solid tactics, research and application.

Its akin to the 40 yearold still living at their parents home "yeah the world is a **** place thats why i wont go out in it". No. If that job washing dishes is all you can get right now, thats your job ntrp. Start there and build.

In the end the scoreline cant be argued with. Your rank cant be argued with. Facts dont care about your feelings, and its dangerous to start telling yourself fantasy stories like "i lost due to bad bounces". You lost because your opponent was better, somehow someway.


If you have a strong serve, reliable return, decent ground game and volleys... then you should be beating pushers etc anyway.

People will complain about anything

But in doubles, if you lose, it's always your partner's fault!
 
#6
I appreciate you starting/writing this thread. I bothers me to hear people making excuses about anything on the courts. You wanna know why you lost, the other player/team was better than you. Instead of making a list of excuses as to why you lost, acknowledge the defeat and look at ways to improve your game. Every time you walk off the courts, win or lose you should assessing yourself as to what you could have done and what you can do better.
 
#7
Kind of paradoxical, I'm complaining about complaining... but its ok since its a paradox.

Inspired by this post by @Rafaboy https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?goto/post&id=12936053

its almost unbelievable. Read the AA poem ffs, control what you can, accept what you cant, and know the difference.

Yeah you get bad bounces on grass, so does the other guy. It all evens out at the end of the day. Same with lines and net cords.

People saying things like "he's so bad to play against cos he doesnt hit hard" LOL then it should be easy for you, with all the time in the world, to cream your shot. Cant do it? How about developing a bigger swing for that shot then. You probably just have a small swing that redirects pace. Or develop better positioning and ability to hit on the rise. Better yet, research some tactics applicable to your own gamw yourself.

The guy who sits there saying "yeah it was bad bounces and hes a **** pusher but id probably win normally im better" and loses 6-1 6-1 is spending his time complaining, falsely talking himself up, so he can continue to sit in a kind of mental comfort zone without having to strive. Whats worse, its putting down the guy who just beat them 6-1 6-1 who probably worked hard for that win with solid tactics, research and application.

Its akin to the 40 yearold still living at their parents home "yeah the world is a **** place thats why i wont go out in it". No. If that job washing dishes is all you can get right now, thats your job ntrp. Start there and build.

In the end the scoreline cant be argued with. Your rank cant be argued with. Facts dont care about your feelings, and its dangerous to start telling yourself fantasy stories like "i lost due to bad bounces". You lost because your opponent was better, somehow someway.


If you have a strong serve, reliable return, decent ground game and volleys... then you should be beating pushers etc anyway.

People will complain about anything
My opponent beat me tonight. I lost because I was cramping and had to stop...**** world! Sure he won the 1st set 7-5 and was up 4-3 but I was serving and except for the cramping would have won due mostly to that kick serve vid I saw today.
 
#11
People who complain in tennis complain in pickleball. People who complain in pickleball complain in ping pong. People who complain in ping pong complain in badminton.
People who complain in badminton complain in pool. People who complain in pool complain in chess. (ESPECIALLY in chess… "I had a won game but…")
I know, because I'm one of them.
 
#12
People saying things like "he's so bad to play against cos he doesnt hit hard" LOL then it should be easy for you, with all the time in the world, to cream your shot. Cant do it? How about developing a bigger swing for that shot then. You probably just have a small swing that redirects pace. Or develop better positioning and ability to hit on the rise. Better yet, research some tactics applicable to your own gamw yourself.

The guy who sits there saying "hes a **** pusher but id probably win normally im better" and loses 6-1 6-1 is spending his time complaining, falsely talking himself up, so he can continue to sit in a kind of mental comfort zone without having to strive. Whats worse, its putting down the guy who just beat them 6-1 6-1 who probably worked hard for that win with solid tactics, research and application.

In the end the scoreline cant be argued with. Your rank cant be argued with. Facts dont care about your feelings, and its dangerous to start telling yourself fantasy stories like "i lost due to bad bounces". You lost because your opponent was better, somehow someway.


If you have a strong serve, reliable return, decent ground game and volleys... then you should be beating pushers etc anyway.

People will complain about anything
There are 2 fundamentally different issues here:

1) The "pusher" beats you by exposing weaknesses in your game. You can't beat the pusher.

2) The "pusher" plays a style that you can defeat, but isn't fun to play against.

I'll give you an example of #2. I played against a guy last night that "cuts" every ball. He terrorizes 4.0 and lower with this game (they can't beat him; lack the skill set necessary). 4.5 and above beat him easily. So playing him last night, I do what I know works. Namely, not giving him the pace he needs to hit his "cut" shot effectively. Staying in good court position to be able to defend the cut/dropshot when it comes. And moving into net on "smart" approach shots.

This is all good and fine, but I'd also like to have baseline rallies. Well, that's not an option with this guy. He simply won't do it. Is that "wrong"? Well of course not. But his style is one that:

1) If you can't beat it, you are frustrated to no end with his dinks and cuts.
2) If you can beat it, he's just not a guy you want to play.

Now the big question; did I beat him. Not last night. I won the games where I played the "correct" strategy against him. But I lost most of the games where I hit hard shots from the back of the court. He "cuts" those into the front court and is effective at getting you out of position and passing or lobbing you. He's actually very good at this strategy. And if you let him dictate play in this manner, you'll probably lose. But, I don't play very often during the winter, so I like to hit/practice all types of shots. And he just happened to be the guy that was available to play at the time an indoor court time opened up.

I've beaten him in the past. Quite easily in fact. But that doesn't mean I don't complain at having to play him. Just the opposite. I hate playing the guy and I'm not at all ashamed or embarrassed to say so.
 
#14
There are 2 fundamentally different issues here:

1) The "pusher" beats you by exposing weaknesses in your game. You can't beat the pusher.

2) The "pusher" plays a style that you can defeat, but isn't fun to play against.

I'll give you an example of #2. I played against a guy last night that "cuts" every ball. He terrorizes 4.0 and lower with this game (they can't beat him; lack the skill set necessary). 4.5 and above beat him easily. So playing him last night, I do what I know works. Namely, not giving him the pace he needs to hit his "cut" shot effectively. Staying in good court position to be able to defend the cut/dropshot when it comes. And moving into net on "smart" approach shots.

This is all good and fine, but I'd also like to have baseline rallies. Well, that's not an option with this guy. He simply won't do it. Is that "wrong"? Well of course not. But his style is one that:

1) If you can't beat it, you are frustrated to no end with his dinks and cuts.
2) If you can beat it, he's just not a guy you want to play.

Now the big question; did I beat him. Not last night. I won the games where I played the "correct" strategy against him. But I lost most of the games where I hit hard shots from the back of the court. He "cuts" those into the front court and is effective at getting you out of position and passing or lobbing you. He's actually very good at this strategy. And if you let him dictate play in this manner, you'll probably lose. But, I don't play very often during the winter, so I like to hit/practice all types of shots. And he just happened to be the guy that was available to play at the time an indoor court time opened up.

I've beaten him in the past. Quite easily in fact. But that doesn't mean I don't complain at having to play him. Just the opposite. I hate playing the guy and I'm not at all ashamed or embarrassed to say so.
The gist of your post is that you are 4.0 or lower since you lost to him. Weren't you the guy who claimed to serve at 120 mph?
 
#15
Even about people complaining! 8-B:p
so true. if one realizes that everything people say, is a reflection of themselves, then it becomes grossly aparent how naked we truly are.

yoko ono once asked john lenon, "why are you so naked?"

it really tripped out his mind so bad. then they took pics of themselves naked and released in in their album.

they wernt trying to be exibitionistc, they were making a statement that beyond all the facades people create, they are truly naked.

and the more facades they create, the more naked they become.
 
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#16
The gist of your post is that you are 4.0 or lower since you lost to him. Weren't you the guy who claimed to serve at 120 mph?
That's actually another interesting point when playing a guy like this. A fast serve isn't at all effective unless it's placed very well. All he's ever trying to do is use your pace and block everything back. So it's actually far more effective to serve fairly slowly. Not so slowly that he can actually hit a "proper" return. But not too fast either, so he doesn't have sufficient pace to just redirect.

One of my favorite points from last nights match was when I hit a serve with pretty good pace and some kick. He managed to "cut/chop" it, so it went cross court, right near the double alley and just barely cleared the net. Obviously he can't place everything perfectly like this. But he has a real knack for "cutting" a ball hit at him with pace and returning it in uncomfortable spots on the court.

Anyway, it is interesting playing guys like this. But in the end, all you really have to do is serve/volley, chip/charge. And when you are at the baseline, hit everything high and deep. Not too much pace. Playing these guys is boring (many people call it "anti-tennis"), but you do have to learn how to handle these guys. There's always a few in every tennis crowd.
 
#17
so true. if one realizes that everything people say, is a reflection of themselves, then it becomes grossly aparent how naked we truly are.

yoko ono once asked john lenon, "why are you so naked?"

it really tripped out his mind so bad. then they took pics of themselves naked and released in in their album.

they wernt trying to be exibitionistc, they were making a statement that beyond all the facades people create, they are truly naked.

and the more facades they create, the more naked they become.
This was an unexpectedly deep post after i (rather immaturely) singled you out in this thread.

It is true, I have had urges to complain. I think we all do.
IMO u can:
1. embrace those urges, feed them, let them grow to the point you're throwing your racquet around and cursing like a 12 year old brat...
2. bury them deep inside and release the frustration to your buddies after the match
3. you can talk about it and bring it out into the open with the negative critical viewpoint it deserves

theres this old guy at my club who isn't very good who absolutely rages when he misses a shot he just stood there trying to arm. its so cringe worthy to watch. trying to hit a high-level topspin shot on the run, trying really hard, putting all the work in to position your body etc... then you get a bad bounce. I can understand being frustrated. But standing flat footed trying to arm the ball in... lol c'mon man you don't need to bust a vein over that
 
#18
That's actually another interesting point when playing a guy like this. A fast serve isn't at all effective unless it's placed very well. All he's ever trying to do is use your pace and block everything back. So it's actually far more effective to serve fairly slowly. Not so slowly that he can actually hit a "proper" return. But not too fast either, so he doesn't have sufficient pace to just redirect.

One of my favorite points from last nights match was when I hit a serve with pretty good pace and some kick. He managed to "cut/chop" it, so it went cross court, right near the double alley and just barely cleared the net. Obviously he can't place everything perfectly like this. But he has a real knack for "cutting" a ball hit at him with pace and returning it in uncomfortable spots on the court.

Anyway, it is interesting playing guys like this. But in the end, all you really have to do is serve/volley, chip/charge. And when you are at the baseline, hit everything high and deep. Not too much pace. Playing these guys is boring (many people call it "anti-tennis"), but you do have to learn how to handle these guys. There's always a few in every tennis crowd.
he must be some what well coordinated if he can return huge serves all day. if he's playing 4.0 or lower, he probably doesnt see them that often.

this is the point i'm trying to make. if technique doesn't REALLY matter below 5.0 level, then its all down to fitness, focus, coordination, dunno maybe "talent", i believe there are different levels of "rec hacker talent" where ones hand-eye is just brutally good they can compensate for ****ty form (or rather, make their ****ty technique work for them)

don't like playing him? thats fine
saying you can always beat him (which you didn't, i noted)? that wouldn't be fine.

Sounds like you've met your match with this guy. it would be interesting to see the win loss ratio. maybe you'd win more if you respected him as a player / his playstyle and took it more seriously
 
#19
Sounds like you've met your match with this guy. it would be interesting to see the win loss ratio. maybe you'd win more if you respected him as a player / his playstyle and took it more seriously
I told you I know how to beat him and have beaten him easily in the past.

I just wanted to make a distinction between the two cases I outlined above. If you don't believe what I'm saying, that's fine.
 
#20
I told you I know how to beat him and have beaten him easily in the past.

I just wanted to make a distinction between the two cases I outlined above. If you don't believe what I'm saying, that's fine.
I rarely agree with sureshs, but he's correct in this case. You say that a 4.5 beats this guy easily, but you lost. So either you're not a 4.5 or you're underrating this guy's level. Saying that you lost because unlike him you were actually trying to hone your all-court game or insulting his game as 'anti-tennis', comes off as being a sore loser.

If you're clearly better than him, then your baseline game should handle him easily too. The fact that you have to abandon your normal game and go out of your comfort zone or risk lising to him tells me that not much separates him from you.
 
#21
I rarely agree with sureshs, but he's correct in this case. You say that a 4.5 beats this guy easily, but you lost. So either you're not a 4.5 or you're underrating this guy's level. Saying that you lost because unlike him you were actually trying to hone your all-court game or insulting his game as 'anti-tennis', comes off as being a sore loser.

If you're clearly better than him, then your baseline game should handle him easily too. The fact that you have to abandon your normal game and go out of your comfort zone or risk lising to him tells me that not much separates him from you.
You’re right.
 
#22
Some players might seem weaker in level because they push and retreive, but there are even very high level players like this, only that the really high level ones can also finish short balls.

Its not a fun style to play against and takes a long grinding match with tons of exchanges usually.
 
#23
This was an unexpectedly deep post after i (rather immaturely) singled you out in this thread.

It is true, I have had urges to complain. I think we all do.
IMO u can:
1. embrace those urges, feed them, let them grow to the point you're throwing your racquet around and cursing like a 12 year old brat...
2. bury them deep inside and release the frustration to your buddies after the match
3. you can talk about it and bring it out into the open with the negative critical viewpoint it deserves

theres this old guy at my club who isn't very good who absolutely rages when he misses a shot he just stood there trying to arm. its so cringe worthy to watch. trying to hit a high-level topspin shot on the run, trying really hard, putting all the work in to position your body etc... then you get a bad bounce. I can understand being frustrated. But standing flat footed trying to arm the ball in... lol c'mon man you don't need to bust a vein over that
lol its an imperfect world.
 
#26

This blue guy is the type of player I really don't like to play with, yelling and frustrated all the time.

But there are MUCH MUCH worse ones than him, ones that yell out the top of their lungs and swear after every miss.
 
#28
Some players might seem weaker in level because they push and retreive, but there are even very high level players like this, only that the really high level ones can also finish short balls.

Its not a fun style to play against and takes a long grinding match with tons of exchanges usually.
Unless you can lay the smack down by shortening points


Still IMO pushing and defensive play works all the way to the top, aka djokovic the best player of recent times. This is why i like wawrinkas game so much... consistent aggression. Nothing more satisfying than seeing wawrinka blast holes through the djokovic defense

He has like a 0-10 win loss ratio agai st djoko then like a 2-0 win loss in grand slams LOL
 
#29
Unless you can lay the smack down by shortening points


Still IMO pushing and defensive play works all the way to the top, aka djokovic the best player of recent times. This is why i like wawrinkas game so much... consistent aggression. Nothing more satisfying than seeing wawrinka blast holes through the djokovic defense

He has like a 0-10 win loss ratio agai st djoko then like a 2-0 win loss in grand slams LOL
Do you really look at any of the big 3 as pure retrievers playing a defensive style? Their base might be great defense when needed, but all 3 of them go on the attack the moment they get a short ball. It is beautiful tennis.

I don’t see any of them winning majority of their matches purely due to unforced errors on part of their opponents.
 
#30
Do you really look at any of the big 3 as pure retrievers playing a defensive style? Their base might be great defense when needed, but all 3 of them go on the attack the moment they get a short ball. It is beautiful tennis.

I don’t see any of them winning majority of their matches purely due to unforced errors on part of their opponents.
People often ignore these things whenever they see someone who defends alot of shots, they immediately put them into the pusher category, but ignoring the fact that they just have very good defense when they are not in control of the point, and whenever they get a short ball they attack and hit winners or volley winners after, but that 2nd part seems to be ignored, most ppl just see that they defend alot of balls and say they are pushing :laughing:
 
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