Perfection: Wilson H19 16X19 Pro Stock

I have been playing a lot with the H19 16x19 too lately. I will usually switch between Pro Tour 630. Both are modded to 357 grams strung. With the H19 more slightly headlight.

When i have a good day i will go with Pro Tour 630, it just delivers heavy groundstrokes. The feel the plush feel is second to none but the H19 is much more forgiving...when i play game i will tend to lean to the H19.
 
I would love to hit with these. Sweet racquets. I kind of had a revelation after hitting with a Microgel Prestige Pro for awhile. I would imagine these would be even better. I would imagine the grommets will last for a long time, as long as its not scuffed on the court too hard.
 
I would love to hit with these. Sweet racquets. I kind of had a revelation after hitting with a Microgel Prestige Pro for awhile. I would imagine these would be even better. I would imagine the grommets will last for a long time, as long as its not scuffed on the court too hard.

I have a goal of getting a PT57A but I'm pretty busy with other things at this time. It's on my long-term todo list. Not interested in the Wilson stuff as I'm a lot more familiar with Head Pro Stocks and the ins and outs.
 
Very good point. The head shapes are completely different, but that's what a heat gun or hair dryer is for. I know the string pattern from my Blade 18x20 looked almost exactly the same as my H22. The Blade's beam shape was more rounded, but a Pro Staff grommet may be close for the H19 16x19. I wonder how close a Prestige Pro would be (probably way off, but who knows)?
Hi, I own both a RF97 and a H19 16x19, to me the string pattern are very different, much more open on the RF (and I assume on the other PS)
 
How much more free power do you get with the h19 16x19? I feel like my PT57a 16x19 get as much power as my h22 16x19.


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I have been playing a lot with the H19 16x19 too lately. I will usually switch between Pro Tour 630. Both are modded to 357 grams strung. With the H19 more slightly headlight.

When i have a good day i will go with Pro Tour 630, it just delivers heavy groundstrokes. The feel the plush feel is second to none but the H19 is much more forgiving...when i play game i will tend to lean to the H19.

Which do you serve the best with?

I've been rotating H19, RF97 and PT630. Preparation takes the longest with the RF97. The required effort at times makes me wonder why i use it. It's the feel of the RF97 that I love.
All three have excellent control with the H19 and RF97 with the most power.
 
How much more free power do you get with the h19 16x19? I feel like my PT57a 16x19 get as much power as my h22 16x19.


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My H19 in stock form has less power than my retail PT630, because the H19 as a pro stock is super light, waiting to be modded.
Retail PT630 has a higher static and higher swing weight.

So I think it depends on the layup and if both frames are modded the same. My H19 has been modded to match my RF97 and it
has more power than my RF.

Do you have a pro stock PT57A?
 
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PT57a 16x19 on the left. H19 on the right. I got it before the virus hit and closed down all the courts. Been playing but still messing with the setup.


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Which do you serve the best with?

I've been rotating H19, RF97 and PT630. Preparation takes the longest with the RF97. The required effort at times makes me wonder why i use it. It's the feel of the RF97 that I love.
All three have excellent control with the H19 and RF97 with the most power.

I serve the best with the H19. I need to be on a really good form to serve well with the PT630.

Surprisingly I've never tried RF97A till this date, that thick beam is putting me off...or rather I'm afraid i will have to buy one after i try it LOL.

However with that being said, i still thirst for PT57A 16x19...the so called holy grail. The price is too much for me.

Anyways I've put down an order for Pro Tour 2.0, just have to try it. Can't resist.
 
I serve the best with the H19. I need to be on a really good form to serve well with the PT630.

Surprisingly I've never tried RF97A till this date, that thick beam is putting me off...or rather I'm afraid i will have to buy one after i try it LOL.

However with that being said, i still thirst for PT57A 16x19...the so called holy grail. The price is too much for me.

Anyways I've put down an order for Pro Tour 2.0, just have to try it. Can't resist.

I'm a bit of a racquetholic so it's bad for me to suggest you try the RF97................................LOL
 




I was fortunate enough to acquire 3 of Borna Coric's frames this week and had the chance to hit with them.

This is my first go around with a pro stock frame and I was blown away. The materials used, the paint job, the silicone in the handle, the look and feel, all just seem to be on a different level when compared to retail frames.

I know there has been a lot of discussion re the Ultra Tour being a H19. I think it's possible the UT is from the same mold, but the materials used in the H19 IMO are completely different. Could I get the same H19 feel if I added silicone to the UT and modded it exactly, i'd imagine it's possible but because the materials used in construction seem to be different I'm not so sure.

In terms of playability, my first impression is that the pros have a huge gear advantage. When acquired the frames were still matched to Borna's specs.

I added my strings (Volkl cyclone 19g at 40lbs.) which increased the HL balance slightly.

Final specs with strings, stock wilson pro stock synthetic grip, wilson overgrip and panda dampener.

static weight: 12.1 ounces
balance: 11pts HL
swing weight: 326

My main racquet for years has been the RF97. I've always played with and preferred 12.5+ frames. I'd sometimes struggle with the weight but the mass, plow, feel and stability always brought me back.

As we all know, the bonus of pro stock is that the frame can be customised to exactly match your desired specs. Unfortunately, unless you are a pro, finding the exact absolute best specs for your game is not an easy thing to achieve.

I don't know if pro stock frames are magic, but i've never had a frame feel so easy to play with. Borna's specs really worked for me. It felt like i had an unfair advantage. Everything was just so easy. Groundstrokes, Volleys, Serves, etc.

I do believe the integrity of pro stocks clearly add an advantage as well they should considering what's at stake for tennis professionals in terms of results and earnings.

My final specs of 12.1 ounces at 11pts hl is a difficult spec to arrive at unless you are starting with a pro stock. It would not have been possible to match with my RF97 or any other retail frame.

I'm aware that this is the reason many prefer Angell as you can completely customise your frame similar to pro stock. I've tried Angell frames in the past and felt they were nice but I wasn't blown away as many others have been.

The beam of the H19 is 21mm which is a hair thinner than my RF97 (21.5mm), and combined with the lighter static weight (12.1 vs 12.8) makes it loads easier to swing, and even tho the balance is similar to my RF, the H19 does not feel clubby at all.

The frame feels like a thinner beamed, more maneuverable, slightly softer RF97 with all the other benefits of plow, control and power. Additionally I was able to get more topspin with the H19.

At impact the ball sinks into the string bed slightly with a nice modest flex and is held momentarily similar to my RF97 but less harsh.

My racquet illness is finally cured. After hitting with this frame i'm not sure I can ever hit with anything else.

kinda heavy and way headlight is the way to GO, imo at least, particularly if you have longer strokes and a 1hbh. best of all possible worlds!
 
Well...aren't we all a racquetholic here in this board...mostly ? LOL

Btw i really enjoy reading your posts around here. Great insight!!

Thanks I appreciate that. I like soooo many frames and go through so many honeymoon periods. I rarely change my initial opinion about a frame, I just like
trying different ones. Is it considered a honeymoon phase if you still like the frame but move to something else?

LOL.

I think my biggest takeaway is that at a certain level, most people can play well with almost anything if they commit to the required time.

Most times I'm trying other frames even though I'm playing really well with my current stick, and changing makes zero sense at the time....But it sure is fun.
 
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Well...aren't we all a racquetholic here in this board...mostly ? LOL

Btw i really enjoy reading your posts around here. Great insight!!

So I am now selling my RF97 after all these years and the back and forth with them. I loved that freakin frame. If you're lucky enough to have pro stock frames, it's just getting it modded to where it works perfect. So many variables in one's favor with pro stocks. I should have kept modding instead going back and forth to my RF97's. My H19's now modded to my RF97 specs have substantially more power than my RF97's and are much easier to play with due to the thinner beam.
 
So I am now selling my RF97 after all these years and the back and forth with them. I loved that freakin frame. If you're lucky enough to have pro stock frames, it's just getting it modded to where it works perfect. So many variables in one's favor with pro stocks. I should have kept modding instead going back and forth to my RF97's. My H19's now modded to my RF97 specs have substantially more power than my RF97's and are much easier to play with due to the thinner beam.

Whew more power? How much lead did you put in the head of your H19?

Yea prostocks aren't cheap...but the H19 have stopped me from frames spree buying LOL
And man...i gotta say H19 is super comfortable!!

Now that you've said it...i am kinda curious to try the RF97A
 
12 grams in the top of the head from 3 to 9, long strips of tw tungsten tape.

I haven't bought any more frames after I got my H19, H22, and PT630's. I already had the RF97's.

The other sticks are in the garage and i've had for years.

When you have Pro Stocks and classic frames, there's no need. Doesn't hurt either
that along the way i sampled almost everything on the market. LOL.

I can be a little lazy with my H19's and still hit great shots. Against stiffer competition, you can't let
up for a 2nd with the RF97. Hit's an amazing ball but you still have to work for it.

I actually prefer the feel of my RF97 to any frame i've ever used. The wide open 16/19 with my low tension
of 40lbs with 19g strings just feels amazing. The RF97 mutes everything just right so you never feel any
vibration or anything remotely harsh even on the worst mishits.

For me the RF97 was the optimum bully racquet. If i need to dig out a win and i'm a wee bit tired and late, I'm toast.
 
12 grams in the top of the head from 3 to 9, long strips of tw tungsten tape.

I haven't bought any more frames after I got my H19, H22, and PT630's. I already had the RF97's.

The other sticks are in the garage and i've had for years.

When you have Pro Stocks and classic frames, there's no need. Doesn't hurt either
that along the way i sampled almost everything on the market. LOL.

I can be a little lazy with my H19's and still hit great shots. Against stiffer competition, you can't let
up for a 2nd with the RF97. Hit's an amazing ball but you still have to work for it.

I actually prefer the feel of my RF97 to any frame i've ever used. The wide open 16/19 with my low tension
of 40lbs with 19g strings just feels amazing. The RF97 mutes everything just right so you never feel any
vibration or anything remotely harsh even on the worst mishits.

For me the RF97 was the optimum bully racquet. If i need to dig out a win and i'm a wee bit tired and late, I'm toast.

So finally I've managed to tried RF97A and PS97, both the tuxedo paint version. A buddy of mine brought it to the last hitting session.

Both were strung with RPM Blast in the main and Babolat Gut in the cross. 1st impression of the RF97A, whew it was so easy to use...felt like a club smashing a ball when you hit it in the sweet spot but i feel it gets kinda sluggish if i am late, must be due to its massive weight and thick beam. Power check stability check forgiving check. But i am missing the feel from H19 and PT630.

As for PS97, i actually like it more than i thought. Very very forgiving, must say this 315 grams weight unstrung is the perfect blend of maneuverability and stability. I can picture by adding 5 grams to the handle will make it even better. Whippier perhaps?

Oh damn it...so many racquets to try. LOL.
 
So finally I've managed to tried RF97A and PS97, both the tuxedo paint version. A buddy of mine brought it to the last hitting session.

Both were strung with RPM Blast in the main and Babolat Gut in the cross. 1st impression of the RF97A, whew it was so easy to use...felt like a club smashing a ball when you hit it in the sweet spot but i feel it gets kinda sluggish if i am late, must be due to its massive weight and thick beam. Power check stability check forgiving check. But i am missing the feel from H19 and PT630.

As for PS97, i actually like it more than i thought. Very very forgiving, must say this 315 grams weight unstrung is the perfect blend of maneuverability and stability. I can picture by adding 5 grams to the handle will make it even better. Whippier perhaps?

Oh damn it...so many racquets to try. LOL.
What were the specs of the frame you played with?
 
What were the specs of the frame you played with?

H19 16x19
355 grams strung
9 pts Headlight
RS Lyon 1.20mm 52 lbs

ProTour 630
357 grams strung
8 pts Headlight
RS Lyon 1.20mm 48 lbs

Lately i have been hitting the PT630 more, it is just rewarding when i swing big. However the H19 is a tad more forgiving especially on my bad days.
 
So finally I've managed to tried RF97A and PS97, both the tuxedo paint version. A buddy of mine brought it to the last hitting session.

Both were strung with RPM Blast in the main and Babolat Gut in the cross. 1st impression of the RF97A, whew it was so easy to use...felt like a club smashing a ball when you hit it in the sweet spot but i feel it gets kinda sluggish if i am late, must be due to its massive weight and thick beam. Power check stability check forgiving check. But i am missing the feel from H19 and PT630.

As for PS97, i actually like it more than i thought. Very very forgiving, must say this 315 grams weight unstrung is the perfect blend of maneuverability and stability. I can picture by adding 5 grams to the handle will make it even better. Whippier perhaps?

Oh damn it...so many racquets to try. LOL.

My usual style of play is hugging the baseline and hitting everything extremely early like a half volley. The RF97 is made for that style of play as the frame does everything for you if you are early, and the mass just destroys the ball. If i'm late if becomes problematic like you described. With my H19 and PT630 I have to move further back from the baseline and take bigger cuts which means more running and longer rallies. So tiring with both frames but in a different way. RF97 i hit more winners and more errors because i'm up so close to the baseline, while with the H19 and PT630 the rallies are longer as I work the point and pick my spots to hit winners.

What was your friend's RF97 strung with? Tension? I love the feel of my RF97 over the H19 and PT630. I string them all with Volkl Cyclone 19G at 40.

Another thing that helps me with the RF97 is a smaller grip size versus what I use with my other sticks. 4 1/4 vs 4 3/8.
 
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My usual style of play is hugging the baseline and hitting everything extremely early like a half volley. The RF97 is made for that style of play as the frame does everything for you if you are early, and the mass just destroys the ball. If i'm late if becomes problematic like you described. With my H19 and PT630 I have to move further back from the baseline and take bigger cuts which means more running and longer rallies. So tiring with both frames but in a different way. RF97 i hit more winners and more errors because i'm up so close to the baseline, while with the H19 and PT630 the rallies are longer as I work the point and pick my spots to hit winners.

What are you stringing the RF97 with? Tension? I love the feel of my RF97 over the H19 and PT630. I string them all with Volkl Cyclone 19G at 40.

Another thing that helps me with the RF97 is a smaller grip size versus what I use with my other sticks. 4 1/4 vs 4 3/8.
Yes you're totally right...with PT630 and the H19 i have to usually move further back to give myself more time to take a big swing at the incoming ball. I really enjoy constructing points with the PT630.

The RF97 was strung with RPM Blast in the main and Babolat gut in the cross. Not sure what was tension.

I think i will try Cyclone 19G next time on the PT630. Currently i strung it with RS Lyon 1.20mm at 45 lbs down from 48 lbs. Just trying to experiment with the tension.
 
I tried them and thought they were ok. I actually preferred my Donnay's over them and got roasted over the coals on here.

Which Donnay racquets do you have? I was in love with my Pro One Penta for a while. The build quality isn’t great, and there are QC issues, but the sticks played really nice, stable, and plush, especially the 16x19. Also loved the PJ.
 
I keep being told and reading online that there are absolutely no differences in quality between a pro model and a retail model, in terms of materials or moulding. That its a myth. No first hand experience though.

Is this H19 really better than something like the Ultra Tour? Just about to pull the trigger on the Ultra Tour myself. I have generally been a person who plays flatter, but thinking maybe I should go for 16X19 pattern for more spin potential.

Also, the Ultra Tour 2.0, is this different from the current model? Seeing a good price on ****. There are also some CV models for a decent price.

Although, looking at those Angell rackets, they look fantastic too. Could customize that to be closer to what I might want.
 
I keep being told and reading online that there are absolutely no differences in quality between a pro model and a retail model, in terms of materials or moulding. That its a myth. No first hand experience though.

Is this H19 really better than something like the Ultra Tour? Just about to pull the trigger on the Ultra Tour myself. I have generally been a person who plays flatter, but thinking maybe I should go for 16X19 pattern for more spin potential.

Also, the Ultra Tour 2.0, is this different from the current model? Seeing a good price on ****. There are also some CV models for a decent price.

Although, looking at those Angell rackets, they look fantastic too. Could customize that to be closer to what I might want.

The only people saying the UT is just like the H19 are people who do not own a H19. The layup of the H19 is completely different. The mold may be the same or similar, but not the layup. This isn't to say the UT isn't a good racquet, but it's not the same quality as a pro stock frame. IMO the layup makes all the difference in terms of quality.

Demo, demo, demo before buying if you can.
 
Yes you're totally right...with PT630 and the H19 i have to usually move further back to give myself more time to take a big swing at the incoming ball. I really enjoy constructing points with the PT630.

The RF97 was strung with RPM Blast in the main and Babolat gut in the cross. Not sure what was tension.

I think i will try Cyclone 19G next time on the PT630. Currently i strung it with RS Lyon 1.20mm at 45 lbs down from 48 lbs. Just trying to experiment with the tension.
How are you serving with the PT630? I never served that great with it. Served better with RF97 and H19.
 
Which Donnay racquets do you have? I was in love with my Pro One Penta for a while. The build quality isn’t great, and there are QC issues, but the sticks played really nice, stable, and plush, especially the 16x19. Also loved the PJ.
I had the 2017 Donnay Pro One 16X19 Pentacore Black Edition. Fantastic stick.
 
How are you serving with the PT630? I never served that great with it. Served better with RF97 and H19.
I've always served better with the H19 16x19. I can always get a nice action on the slice serve. I struggle with consistency when i serve with PT630. I need to play at least 3 times a week to get into the zone for serving well with the PT630.
But groundstrokes with the PT630, whew...the sound it makes when you blast a ball from the sweetspot. That feeling...what makes me fall in love in tennis in the 1st place. LOL
 
Ha, i've heard that sound before. Flat serves or flat forehand winners sound like they were l
I've always served better with the H19 16x19. I can always get a nice action on the slice serve. I struggle with consistency when i serve with PT630. I need to play at least 3 times a week to get into the zone for serving well with the PT630.
But groundstrokes with the PT630, whew...the sound it makes when you blast a ball from the sweetspot. That feeling...what makes me fall in love in tennis in the 1st place. LOL
Flat serves and flat forehand winners sound like they were launched out of a canon......................yes i know that sound!!
I absolutely hate moving back from the baseline, which is why I always end up back to my RF97. I'm old like Fed and i'm either
winning the points quickly or losing the points quickly, all from on or within the baseline.

I will say with the H19 or PT630 I lull myself into Gael Monfils, hitting every spin available, trying and making insane angles, effortless caressing the ball with topspin from corner to corner and then hitting a drop shot for an outright winner or crushing a flat bomb out of nowhere. Gheez, just listening to myself makes me want to go back to those frames.

The RF is a banger frame with touch and feel but for sure is aggressively bashing every ball.
 
I serve the best with the H19. I need to be on a really good form to serve well with the PT630.

Surprisingly I've never tried RF97A till this date, that thick beam is putting me off...or rather I'm afraid i will have to buy one after i try it LOL.

However with that being said, i still thirst for PT57A 16x19...the so called holy grail. The price is too much for me.

Anyways I've put down an order for Pro Tour 2.0, just have to try it. Can't resist.

Did you try the Pro Tour 2.0? I've started playing with my PT 630's again as my main frame. I'm serving much better with it now as well.
 
Did you try the Pro Tour 2.0? I've started playing with my PT 630's again as my main frame. I'm serving much better with it now as well.

I haven't had the chance to try the PT 2.0 yet.

Yes i have been playing mostly with the PT630 myself, it is just so good, does everything so well. I am afraid i don't think i will ever change racquet again LOL.
Topspin drives, slices and even slice serves...it is just so precise and sublime. I strung mine with RS Lyon 1.20mm at 48 lbs btw. Will try 45 lbs next time.

I have been playing 3-4 times a week. Seems that has helped with my consistency with the PT630. Now I just can't wait to play again everytime i am back home. So addictive.

Seems like most people on this board thinks PT 2.0 is a bit stiffer and more powerful. I wonder how that one really plays out. I will have to wait for another month. I ordered one and sent it to Singapore. Haven't really traveled since...you know...
 




I was fortunate enough to acquire 3 of Borna Coric's frames this week and had the chance to hit with them.

This is my first go around with a pro stock frame and I was blown away. The materials used, the paint job, the silicone in the handle, the look and feel, all just seem to be on a different level when compared to retail frames.

I know there has been a lot of discussion re the Ultra Tour being a H19. I think it's possible the UT is from the same mold, but the materials used in the H19 IMO are completely different. Could I get the same H19 feel if I added silicone to the UT and modded it exactly, i'd imagine it's possible but because the materials used in construction seem to be different I'm not so sure.

In terms of playability, my first impression is that the pros have a huge gear advantage. When acquired the frames were still matched to Borna's specs.

I added my strings (Volkl cyclone 19g at 40lbs.) which increased the HL balance slightly.

Final specs with strings, stock wilson pro stock synthetic grip, wilson overgrip and panda dampener.

static weight: 12.1 ounces
balance: 11pts HL
swing weight: 326

My main racquet for years has been the RF97. I've always played with and preferred 12.5+ frames. I'd sometimes struggle with the weight but the mass, plow, feel and stability always brought me back.

As we all know, the bonus of pro stock is that the frame can be customised to exactly match your desired specs. Unfortunately, unless you are a pro, finding the exact absolute best specs for your game is not an easy thing to achieve.

I don't know if pro stock frames are magic, but i've never had a frame feel so easy to play with. Borna's specs really worked for me. It felt like i had an unfair advantage. Everything was just so easy. Groundstrokes, Volleys, Serves, etc.

I do believe the integrity of pro stocks clearly add an advantage as well they should considering what's at stake for tennis professionals in terms of results and earnings.

My final specs of 12.1 ounces at 11pts hl is a difficult spec to arrive at unless you are starting with a pro stock. It would not have been possible to match with my RF97 or any other retail frame.

I'm aware that this is the reason many prefer Angell as you can completely customise your frame similar to pro stock. I've tried Angell frames in the past and felt they were nice but I wasn't blown away as many others have been.

The beam of the H19 is 21mm which is a hair thinner than my RF97 (21.5mm), and combined with the lighter static weight (12.1 vs 12.8) makes it loads easier to swing, and even tho the balance is similar to my RF, the H19 does not feel clubby at all.

The frame feels like a thinner beamed, more maneuverable, slightly softer RF97 with all the other benefits of plow, control and power. Additionally I was able to get more topspin with the H19.

At impact the ball sinks into the string bed slightly with a nice modest flex and is held momentarily similar to my RF97 but less harsh.

My racquet illness is finally cured. After hitting with this frame i'm not sure I can ever hit with anything else.


Reviving this thread because I just got 2 H19 pro stocks 16x19 in exactly the strung spec that @asifallasleep listed a while ago:

342g / 31,5cm / 327 SW.

Now I'm trying to figure out who they belonged to. They have the 2015 Blade pj. Do people think they might be old Borna Coric sticks? They're in great, used condition. I think Borna has switched to the P25 in the meantime.

Are you still using yours @asifallasleep? What specs are yours now?
 
Great news. The grommets for the new Wilson Ultra Pro 16X19 fit my 16X19 H19's. Different layup but the same mould. So I am ecstatic.

This is good news. I have a pair of Ultra Pro 16x19s but really want to test out a true H19 16x19. And I have three sets of grommets, so there's now added incentive.
 
Reviving this thread because I just got 2 H19 pro stocks 16x19 in exactly the strung spec that @asifallasleep listed a while ago:

342g / 31,5cm / 327 SW.

Now I'm trying to figure out who they belonged to. They have the 2015 Blade pj. Do people think they might be old Borna Coric sticks? They're in great, used condition. I think Borna has switched to the P25 in the meantime.

Are you still using yours @asifallasleep? What specs are yours now?
I am using the Wilson Pro Staff ROK 93 now. IMO the best racquet I've ever used. Sort of stumbled into using it.
 
Reviving this thread because I just got 2 H19 pro stocks 16x19 in exactly the strung spec that @asifallasleep listed a while ago:

342g / 31,5cm / 327 SW.

Now I'm trying to figure out who they belonged to. They have the 2015 Blade pj. Do people think they might be old Borna Coric sticks? They're in great, used condition. I think Borna has switched to the P25 in the meantime.

Are you still using yours @asifallasleep? What specs are yours now?

How are you enjoying your H19's?
 
@asifallasleep, Did you try H22 and Blade Prostocks as well?
I have a pair of H22 16x19, 337g, 33cm (strung), 349 SW and one H19 338g, 32.3cm (strung), 315 SW (SW already strung!)

Next move is to try Blade Prostocks that are on their way, one @ 332SW and the other @ 340SW.

Trying to decide which of the three (H19, H22 and Blade Prostock) fits more into my liking.
 
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