Pete Sampras '05 vs Top Five '05

Galactus

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We've done the 'Sampras - Federer-in-their-primes' thread with over 200 replies in a hotly debated topic, but what of the rest of today's top 5 players?
How do your picks go with a 1995 Sampras against:
* Andy Roddick
* Lleyton Hewitt
* Marat Safin
* Rafael Nadal
(on either hardcourt and grass)
 
Galactus said:
We've done the 'Sampras - Federer-in-their-primes' thread with over 200 replies in a hotly debated topic, but what of the rest of today's top 5 players?
How do your picks go with a 1995 Sampras against:
* Andy Roddick
* Lleyton Hewitt
* Marat Safin
* Rafael Nadal
(on either hardcourt and grass)

Safin, Hewitt, and Roddick assuming all are playing at their best could be threats to Pistol Pete on hardcourts, but grasscourts is no contest even with Roddick's serve. Nadal on clay would beat Pete with relative ease, but on hardcourts, maybe 25% chance, and on grass even more minimal.
 
Sampras would dismantle Roddick's game, u need to have more then a big serve to beat Pete!No chance at all.Not to mention he would serve and volley him to death.
 
ACE of Hearts said:
Sampras would dismantle Roddick's game, u need to have more then a big serve to beat Pete!No chance at all.Not to mention he would serve and volley him to death.
Yep...Roddick would be the easiest of the bunch (on all surfaces, that is).
As bif as the 10-year gap is between the primes of Sampras and the guys I mention, I'm pretty sure that they don't hit the ball that much harder.
Compare an average Roddick serve with Sampras': I don't think that extra 10mph makes a ton of difference at these guys' playing level....
 
hewitt and safin both beat him pretty bad. hewitt more so, i think pete only won like 6 games total.

he would beat roddick and nadal though.

watching him play roddick would possibly be the worst match as a spectator. it would be 7-6 7-6 with a handful of groundstrokes hit. very unappealing tennis, unless ur looking for serving tips.
 
Give Pete another day to rest in those US Open finals you're talking about where Hewitt and Safin beat him pretty badly, and you might have a different outcome. Pete was pushing 30, and with the US Open (foolishy) making the men play the semi's on Saturday, then the final the next day, it really favors the younger guys. That said, Safin did play out of his mind, so it might not have made a difference.
 
Galactus said:
We've done the 'Sampras - Federer-in-their-primes' thread with over 200 replies in a hotly debated topic, but what of the rest of today's top 5 players?
How do your picks go with a 1995 Sampras against:
* Andy Roddick
* Lleyton Hewitt
* Marat Safin
* Rafael Nadal
(on either hardcourt and grass)

I'm sure there will be a few people who have been following tennis for all of 2 years, who will write that one or even all of these guys could beat PS on hard or grass...right. Another stupid post that can't "prove" anything.
 
pete sampras, if he played would be right up there with the top ten. i think he could destroy roddick, nadal and hewitt.

it would be a great rivalry between him and federer
 
that's very arguable, also because hewitt and sampras are my 2 heroes in tennis. sampras for being so good and hewitt for his playstyle.
 
Pete in 95 was incredible.

All the top players today, including Roger Federer, would have to be at their very best to have a chance against a prime form Pete Sampras.
 
Phil said:
I'm sure there will be a few people who have been following tennis for all of 2 years, who will write that one or even all of these guys could beat PS on hard or grass...right. Another stupid post that can't "prove" anything.
Phil,
Yeah - I know what you mean by the 'can't prove anything' part, but don't you think it's interesting to compare specific styles and games of tennis players from the last decade to today's guys?
Why do you think so many people like to compare how Muhammad Ali would've done against a prime Mike Tyson?? Or the 90s Bulls vs the 80s Lakers?? it's all done in a light-hearted yet debatable fashion...
The thread isn't intended in any way to 'prove' that Sampras could ace someone like Nadal off-court...not in the slightest. It's just bringing a bit of 'fun' discussion to the forum rather than have everyone b!tching at each other.
For those that you mention that the really 'green' tennis fans - the ones who say that Sampras would be no match for today's players....well, that's why the mature lot on here are there to disprove them...
As for the really stupid part, well, I think a 'Mythical Matchup' between Borg and Federer really would be stupid...

It doesn't have to be that serious, Phil.
 
Galactus said:
As for the really stupid part, well, I think a 'Mythical Matchup' between Borg and Federer really would be stupid...

It doesn't have to be that serious, Phil.

Yes, maybe, but if I could snap my fingers and make things like that happen, I would-Borg vs. Federer...would make for some fine TV.
 
Phil said:
Yes, maybe, but if I could snap my fingers and make things like that happen, I would-Borg vs. Federer...would make for some fine TV.
True...but it's okay to envisage or dream about how each other's gameplay, style, tactics, all-round tennis aspects could produce an outcome?
Sports fans have done this for years and always will.

I only picked a '95 Sampras as I don't feel that today's players hit the ball that much harder to make events such a mismatch.
Roddick is today's Ivanisevic (minus a few mph), so those newbies who say he'd blow Sampras off-court have to look a little deeper than just a massive serve.
 
Actually, if Roddick is "today's Ivanisevic" it would be PLUS a few mph-I don't think Goran ever broke 140 let along 155. As for the '95 Sampras, I don't think anyone playing today hits the ball harder than he does-not on the forehand side. Never in my tennis spectating life have I seen a harder non-serve shot.
 
For as much as I can't stand Sampras, i enjoy this question. Game wise, I don't think this list could really challenge him in all areas. Nadal beating Sampras on clay would be a given. As for the other surfaces, grass goes to Sampras, and the hard court would depend who was on their game the best. As for Roddick, I think Sampras would beat him both on grass and hard court, and the clay would probably go to Sampras as well, but this would be the closest surface. As for Hewitt and Safin they'd lose to Pete on grass, but I believe they would be competitive on hard court and clay.

So overall:
Nadal I think would be the greatest challenger. He would beat Pete on clay no question. The reverse is also true for grass where Pete would beat Nadal no question. Then I think the hard court would be an even split and come down to who was more into the game at that moment.
Hewitt and Safin would be the medium challengers, but I see Pete beating them both on at least grass and hardcourts, and the clay would probably go to Hewitt and Safin
Roddick would lose to Pete on both grass and hardcourt, and even though Pete didn't have much success on clay, I think he'd beat Roddick here as well.
 
See, that's why I say these things are absurd...here you have juka1970 who's actually trying to construct a "logical" scenario where Nadal, who just recently won his first hard court tournament (not a major) beats (or splits with) a guy with 7 hard court majors and countless other hard court victories. You've been following tennis for what, 18 months? For crissakes, see if you can get a video of Sampras playing before 2002...No offense, but you can't make a comparison if you're not familiar with the subjects of the comparison.
 
On a good day, Sampras would beat Nadal on clay. Check out some of his past clay victories, he had a couple of boomers.
 
Phil said:
See, that's why I say these things are absurd...here you have juka1970 who's actually trying to construct a "logical" scenario where Nadal, who just recently won his first hard court tournament (not a major) beats (or splits with) a guy with 7 hard court majors and countless other hard court victories. You've been following tennis for what, 18 months? For crissakes, see if you can get a video of Sampras playing before 2002...No offense, but you can't make a comparison if you're not familiar with the subjects of the comparison.
They are absurd when such scenarios are suggested. Jukka1970 might have shot himself in the foot with his 'Nadal/Sampras-would-be-close-on-hardcourt' theory':
1 - He finds Sampras 'boring' for a start
2 - He enjoys Nadal's style
3 - A comparison is bound to favour Nadal

So, on hardcourt we have a '95 Sampras at 37-6 (using the 1st and 2nd serves at 125-130mph and 115-120mph respectively) facing a '05 Nadal at 18-6 (and who was 14-10 last year) and has beaten an old Agassi in his best outing?? Hmmmm...look back at the match against Blake last Sunday - Sampras would have Nadal so far beyond the baseline, that the S&V game would account for him easily: Sampras 6-3 6-3 6-1 Nadal.
Grasscourt is a no-brainer: Sampras was 12-0 for this year, crushing guys like Becker, Ivanisevic, Rusedski and Henman. Against Nadal is would look brutal.
Onto clay and I agree here: Sampras did pretty bad on clay that year (but strangely wasn't that bad the two preceeding years?!) and clay is Nadal's tour-de-force: Nadal in straight sets.

However, Phil....these aren't really meant to be serious as I said....sports fans have done this for eons, comapring past masters to today's stars. It only gets annoying when someone absolutely can't see the bigger picture and automatically picks today's top guys as 'the ****'!!! :mrgreen:
 
Phil said:
Actually, if Roddick is "today's Ivanisevic" it would be PLUS a few mph-I don't think Goran ever broke 140 let along 155. As for the '95 Sampras, I don't think anyone playing today hits the ball harder than he does-not on the forehand side. Never in my tennis spectating life have I seen a harder non-serve shot.
My mistake. I should have clarified...Ivanisevic topped out at about 130-135, maybe? (along with Rusedski and Philloppoussis).
I might be totally wrong, but I havent seen a match yet when Roddick has been able to consistently hit the 140+mph mark throughout a game for his extra speed to much of a difference at that level.

Sampras/hard-hitting: I totally agree with this one. Add to that, 4 years later, the Wimbledon final in '99 and USO Qtr in '01 games vs Agassi were unreal in an example of cleaner, harder hitting...
 
Nadal on a hardcourt like Rebound Ace would have a decent shot against Sampras. Nadal still seems awkward and having a lost of footing on grass, so at the moment Sampras hands down. Despite losing to Blake in the third round of the USO, Nadal did have a nice run in Montreal. The edge definitely goes to Sampras on DecoTurf type courts, but Nadal should not be taken out of the equation.
 
Using 1997 Australian Open as a reference, Sampras dealt with Muster and Moya in the semifinal and final very easily indeed. In the two matches combined he got about 9 breaks whilst dropping serve twice. Like these two, Nadal plays too far the basline. Sampras could hit stop volleys, push him deep with volleys then hit a stop volley. Force him back with his powerful ground strokes. Continually serve out wide on both courts as Nadal stands way back on returns. Sampras had a lot of ways to beat those guys and Nadal plays a similar game.
 
Who knows? All I know is Sampras between 1998-2002 had a 4-5 record against Hewitt. He lost to Hewitt badly in their only grand slam meeting at US Open in 2001, lost to Hewitt twice on grass at Queens. During same time period, Sampras had a 3-4 record against Safin.

Comparing players at their prime during different era is tricky. I don't know how to do that. It doesn't seem anyone else gave me insight how they did theirs.

All I know is Nadal has no chance against Sampras on grass, slow or fast.
 
sampras beat hewitt in the 2000 us open sf in straight sets. hewitt won 80 matches that year & qualified for the masters cup.
hewitt was better in '01, but sampras was worse(very tough road to the final that year)
 
Agreed Kevin. Everyone talks about Sampras' loss to Safin in 2000 final. So its not logical that Sampras should beat Safin in straight sets in 2001 semifinal. It just shows that had Sampras had more recovery time in 2000 the result might have been very different.

When Sampras beat Hewitt in 2000, it was 4:1 to Sampras at that stage before his decline and Hewitt won the last matches between them.

Although I do feel I'm repeating myself a lot. Maybe we get new users every day and I have to rehash these points in case people forgot.

Just one more point, in 2000 Key Biscane semifinal, Sampras literally bludgeoned Hewitt from the baseline. Hewitt couldn't handle Sampras' power at all. Makes me wonder what a young baseline Sampras would have done to Hewitt off the ground. Hewitt has always loved a target at net.
 
laurie said:
Agreed Kevin. Everyone talks about Sampras' loss to Safin in 2000 final. So its not logical that Sampras should beat Safin in straight sets in 2001 semifinal. It just shows that had Sampras had more recovery time in 2000 the result might have been very different.

That's the problem I have with definite answer one way or the other. Yes, Sampras beat Safin in 2001, and Safin beat Sampras in 2000. What that tells you? It just tells me Sampras at his best can beat anyone, at the same time, Safin at his best can beat anyone as well. When both of them at their best, who knows? Are we talking about one match, or consistency? This is the problem I have with people who gave definite answer. They are answering a vague question they even didn't think about it what was asked.
 
Sampras would have the edge over everyone, including Federer on grass and hardcourts. Pete won 2 Australian opens and 0 French opens. Pete flourished at Wimbledom winning a record 7 championships. At the US Open, he is a 5 time winner and a runner up 3 times. Had he won those 3 finals, he would have 8 US Opens, 1 more than even Wimbledon. None of today's top players, including Federer can claim such dominance on grass or hard courts.

I know some will then say, well he lost 3 times at the US Open finals. Pete has Thalassemia Minor which is a blood disorder that causes shortness of breath and weakness, loss of energy. If we look at the history of Pete's matches we do notice a trend to how the elements affect his performance.

The Australian and French Opens are probably the 2 most physically demanding tournaments of the grand slams. The extreme sun, heat and temperatures there give an edge to athletes who have the best conditioning and fitness. The weak sunlight at Wimbledon is less demanding on the athletes and makes for more optimal playing conditions. The US Open is unique in that it has night matches which is desired by everyone, however it is probably the most humid and therefore the day matches are still very difficult and dehydration is a problem.

Pete dominated under the Wimbledon fog where the cooler temperatures and playing conditions were more ideal for his condition. When Pete lost to Safin/Hewitt in the sweltering hot sun of the 2000 & 2001 US Opens, he was clearly several steps slow. A combination of his age, previous grueling matches, and his anemic condition may have finally caught up with him.

As some posters have mentioned, with another day's rest before the final and Pete could potentially have 7 US Open titles to his credit, his loss at a young age to Edberg being his only blemish at US Open finals. (While I think they are lucky to have met a empty tank, non-competitive Sampras in the final, Safin/Hewitt did reach the finals and raise their game so they full deserve the title and Pete only deserves to be known as a 5 time US Open champion. Poor Pete!) If the final would have been played at night during cooler temperatures, I would also pick him over Safin and Hewitt.

Pete has never lost a night-match at the US Open and holds a perfect 20-0 record.

Watching Pete, I always thought that his pure game was the most dominate of any that I have ever seen and that his only weakness was his fitness and conditioning being suspect under extremely hot temperatures and tough schedules. Obviously this would affect him more as he got older and that is why he tanked in those 2 US Open finals. However a young Sampras would be my favorite to win on grass or hard courts against anyone that is playing today.
 
Based on his numbers, some could even venture to go out on a limb and say that Sampras could have been just as dominate on hard courts as he was on grass. If the US Open was held under conditions more similar to Wimbledon instead of the sweltering sun and humidity of NY, who knows now many more US Opens Pete could have won? Conversely, if Pete played on grass but Wimbledon was held somewhere else with conditions closer to the French/Australian Opens, would he still have dominated Wimbledon to the same degree?

What do you guys think?
 
What I do know Spencer is that Sampras is second on the all time list of hardcourt titles won behind Agassi. Thats impressive.

The most impressive thing for me about Sampras on hardcourts is the volleys. Watching volleyers today, the ball always seems to sit up, waiting to be spanked. With Sampras' incredible technique he put so much slice, sidespin and sometimes backspins on volleys he always kept balls extremely low, making it very hard to pass him even on hardcourts.
 
Spencer said:
Based on his numbers, some could even venture to go out on a limb and say that Sampras could have been just as dominate on hard courts as he was on grass. If the US Open was held under conditions more similar to Wimbledon instead of the sweltering sun and humidity of NY, who knows now many more US Opens Pete could have won? Conversely, if Pete played on grass but Wimbledon was held somewhere else with conditions closer to the French/Australian Opens, would he still have dominated Wimbledon to the same degree?

What do you guys think?

What's the point of talking about if condition is like this or that? This is what sports is all about. Condition and health is part of the game, players are playing under the same condition.

This is another problem with this type of discussion. It seems people always argue in favor of his favorite players without giving the thought of objectivity. Just think of about your own question, others can argue what if Wimbledon is played under swelting heat condition like at Melbourne or NYC? Would Sampras have won 7 Wimbledons? To me this is a nonsense question, the same goes with your question.
 
laurie said:
What I do know Spencer is that Sampras is second on the all time list of hardcourt titles won behind Agassi. Thats impressive.

The most impressive thing for me about Sampras on hardcourts is the volleys. Watching volleyers today, the ball always seems to sit up, waiting to be spanked. With Sampras' incredible technique he put so much slice, sidespin and sometimes backspins on volleys he always kept balls extremely low, making it very hard to pass him even on hardcourts.

There is no question Sampras was the most explosive tennis player I have ever seen. He has great all-around game. His only weakness if you have to pick one was his consistency off his backhand.
 
Spencer said:
Based on his numbers, some could even venture to go out on a limb and say that Sampras could have been just as dominate on hard courts as he was on grass. If the US Open was held under conditions more similar to Wimbledon instead of the sweltering sun and humidity of NY, who knows now many more US Opens Pete could have won? Conversely, if Pete played on grass but Wimbledon was held somewhere else with conditions closer to the French/Australian Opens, would he still have dominated Wimbledon to the same degree?

The tennis guy said:
What's the point of talking about if condition is like this or that? This is what sports is all about. Condition and health is part of the game, players are playing under the same condition.

This is another problem with this type of discussion. It seems people always argue in favor of his favorite players without giving the thought of objectivity. Just think of about your own question, others can argue what if Wimbledon is played under swelting heat condition like at Melbourne or NYC? Would Sampras have won 7 Wimbledons? To me this is a nonsense question, the same goes with your question.
I have to agree with The Tennis Guy on this issue: it's a massive 'what if' to state that if the US Open was still being played on grass, like it was in the early 70s, Sampras would have won 3 or 4 more titles there.
It wasn't, he didn't...but the fact is that in all conditions, tennis players have to adapt in some way.
 
I think, Safin in 2000 played a perfect match, i don't buy, that Pete Sampras was not fully fit. A few weeks ago at Canadian Open Safin had beaten Sampras in semis or quarters in a close match, saving match points. Safin was awfully strong that year. At the year end Masters indoors Sampras beat Safin, who was overplayed then and lost his chance for Nr.1 spot against Kuerten, despite having won 8 titles in the year. And on the other hand, Agassi had to play the late second semi at Flushing a few times against dangerous opponents, before taking on Sampras in the final. I recall 1995, when Agassi had a difficult match vs. Becker, and 2002, when he had to beat then Nr. 1 Hewitt, spending his energy.
 
Whoa guys, I am not trying to discount or credit Sampras for his wins/losses at the majors. It is what it is and his numbers will not change and he deserves his accomplishments as does ANYONE who has ever won a tennis championship. The reason I bring it up is more for hypothetical musings, if you guys don't want to play then why did you respond to this hypothetical thread anyway?

My main point was that I think Pete as a pure tennis player had a stronger game than anyone that is playing today. As an pure athlete he was not as well conditioned. That is not to say he did not possess athleticism. He had incredible touch and uncanny reflexes but one would not argue that his fitness or day-in/out competitiveness was as great as say Agassi or Federer.

I actually prefer to watch night matches because I think the competitors play at a higher level and for a longer period when they do not have to face the wear/tear of the sun.
 
There is no "pure tennis player". Sports is a combination of skill and athleticism - explosiveness and endurance are part of athleticism. There is no point to discuss if one player hadn't had certain skill or another player were a little bit more athletic because that would be a different player.
 
I agree with you on your definition of sports. However people do break down the individual aspects of athleticism. How else will a athlete know what to work on or try to improve. It's important to know your strengths/weaknesses.

So you are saying that the elements & venue doesn't affect the performance or that people shouldn't discuss this? Why is it that people always talk about the altitude when sports teams go to denver? What about other in-door sports including basketball and boxing. What if these two sports were held outdoors in the high noon sun instead of in air-conditioned arenas. Don't you think the quality of their performances will suffer greatly?

Do you not understand the meaning of hypothetical musings? How about personal opinions? With all due respect, I can discuss anything I want in an open forum.
 
Some hypothetical musings which have potential to be reality are legit while others are nonsense. The one you discussed is nonsense. That's my opinion.
 
On note on Your thesis, Spencer, with the different weather conditions and the influence on the physical condition. It may be interesting, that Pete Sampras played his best at RG, when it was hot and dry, and the surface became fast and true. When it was cold and wet - like London - , the clay became slower, and he he lost first and second round to players like Schaller, Gaudenzi, Blanco or a Paraguaian, whose name I forgot. It was not a matter of conditioning, but more of the required footwork on clay, this special sliding technique, you need there. He never could really accommodate his moving on European clay.
 
Urban,

I think you are right about the clay surface. It was probably the biggest reason why Pete did not win the French because he did have good conditioning when he was younger and has won 2 championships at the Australian.

At 23 years of age Pete's 5 set record was 15-7. Notably, Federer's 5 set record is 8-8. So yeah, Pete definitely had plenty of gas in the tank when he was younger.

Interestingly, his clay record of 58-27 (68.2%) is very comparable with Roger's clay record of 69-30 (69.7%) if you compare the two of them at their respective careers at age 23.
 
Galactus said:
I only picked a '95 Sampras as I don't feel that today's players hit the ball that much harder to make events such a mismatch.
Roddick is today's Ivanisevic (minus a few mph), so those newbies who say he'd blow Sampras off-court have to look a little deeper than just a massive serve.

The conversation about who would beat who is fun. Unless one is a teenager and relatively new to the sport, referring to Sampras in archeological terms, as if he was something that happened to tennis many decades ago, is kind of funny. Especially so in that Sampras best contemporary, Andre, is holding his own against the current crop. Remember that Sampras remained the best when Andre rolled into, out of and back into his best form in his twenties, not at 35. AA has more slams from 2000 to present than any of the others, save Federer and is most likely going to the final of a major at age 35.

Sampras' main rival is still beating up on today's young guns and Sampras won his last major a scant three years ago a few months after Hewitt won his last. I'm a fan of Federer too, but I wonder how many Wimbledon titles Roger would have if a motivated Sampras had decided to vie for a few more titles there?

Sampras is not ancient history.
 
FiveO said:
I'm a fan of Federer too, but I wonder how many Wimbledon titles Roger would have if motivated Sampras had been decided to vie for a few more titles there?
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Just a reminder, Federer beat Sampras at Wimbledon. I know ifs and excuses are coming, Sampras was old and not motivated, but at the same time Federer was still a teenager back then.
 
The tennis guy said:
Just a reminder, Federer beat Sampras at Wimbledon. I know ifs and excuses are coming, Sampras was old and not motivated, but at the same time Federer was still a teenager back then.

Don't be silly. You shouldn't feel the need to offer any "ifs" or excuses.

Federer had the match of his life (to that point) v. Sampras at Wimby in 2001 and won in 5 and then couldn't repeat it in the QF when he lost to Henman. Sampras never lost to Henman in the four matches they played on grass, 3 at Wimbledon alone. It happened v. Krajicek too and then Krajicek went on to win the whole thing.

I was never assuring Sampras would win over Fed, and again I am a fan of both. But the assumption that Pete's game would not even threaten Roger on grass ignores the dynamic of that surface and how well Sampras' game dovetailed into it.
 
FiveO said:
I was never assuring Sampras would win over Fed, and again I am a fan of both. But the assumption that Pete's game would not even threaten Roger on grass ignores the dynamic of that surface and how well Sampras' game dovetailed into it.

I would never assume Federer is better than Sampras on grass. As I said many times, it is a match-up I really don't know what the outcome would be. It seems most people think Sampras would win over Federer on grass, which is why I put that match in there.
 
Federer was 19 when he beat Sampras at Wimbledon, however he had all the same tools and skills then that he currently employs today. He just wasn't as consistent on a day to day basis.

Consider this...

In 2001 Federer had victories over all the below players.

Safin (2000 US Open Champion, 2005 Australian Champion)
Ivanisevic (2001 Wimbledon Champion)
Roddick (2003 US Open Champion)
Philippoussis (2003 Wimbledon Finalist)
Kafelnikov (96 French Champion, 99 Australian Champion, ranked 6th in 2001)
Sampras (14 Championships, nuff said)

This tells me that Federer had a mature game in 2001 he just wasn't consistent. When he was playing his best tennis in 2001 he could very well have been just as good as he is today.

However, I give him all the credit in the world because he took down a Sampras who was playing in good form. (Sampras was serving well, and the match was very close) Still Federer definitely had all the tools and skills then that he has now, just not the same mental toughness.
 
Spencer, I agree w/ a lot of what you're saying. If it wasn't for Sampras' medical condition, he would've been more successful and probably have won at least one French Open, imo. The weakness many oppnents tried to exploit, even in Pete's prime, was not really his BH, but to some how get Sampras into a fifth set. It's not that Sampras couldn't play well on clay, it's just that he was not fit enough to finish the tournament.
 
Phil said:
See, that's why I say these things are absurd...here you have juka1970 who's actually trying to construct a "logical" scenario where Nadal, who just recently won his first hard court tournament (not a major) beats (or splits with) a guy with 7 hard court majors and countless other hard court victories. You've been following tennis for what, 18 months? For crissakes, see if you can get a video of Sampras playing before 2002...No offense, but you can't make a comparison if you're not familiar with the subjects of the comparison.

Well Phil, first off, I've watched tennis for the last 18 years, not 18 months, so why don't you go do some research yourself. I've read plenty of your posts where all you do is b**** and complain, so why don't you go answer the posts that don't take much thought. I mean considering you think this is a stupid question just shows your lack of intellect and insight into the game.

The question was talking about the players in their prime. And yes I have watched plenty of Sampras, who I think relied more on his serve then anything else. This is my big problem with Roddick. And the question asked us to take each player in their prime. Well Nadal hasn't reached his prime, and yes I do think depeneding on who was more fired up. And you can try and back up your views on Sampras all you want, it's not going to change everyones mind. And sorry but if Federer had been playing the same time as Sampras reaching their potential at the same time, then Sampras would not have 14 slam titles.
 
jukka1970 said:
I mean considering you think this is a stupid question just shows your lack of intellect and insight into the game.
Thanks...I don't think tennis 'Mythical Matchups' are stupid either....unless someone tries to compare a prime Borg with say, a prime Kuerten....when obviously so much as changed within the sport over the last 10-20 years.
Due to the non-technical changes in boxing (i.e. no use of equipment...gloves are essentially the same design and weight), hence it's easier to compare a 1940s-50's Sugar Ray Robinson with a prime Roy Jones Jr...
 
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