Phantom 100p vs Phantom 107G

[B Cubed]

Gang,

I'm looking for a potential new go-to racket. And I keep going back and forth between staying in the Phantom P line, or going back to my roots with an OS. I believe this topic was covered some place, but I couldn't find it while searching.

About my rackets - My go-to MP is the Prince Phantom Pro 100P; I also have lately been pulling out my PCG 107, and my Head Radical OS Ltd. I can relatively go back and forth between my P100P and my PCG107 relatively easily.

I've demoed the Phantom 100P and the Phantom 107G a few times; I really like them both, and can easily play with either.

As much as I like my PP100P, I think sometimes I just don't gel - possible reasons the major taper and the dynamic string bed. I've even put weight in the throat to dissipate the polarization once or twice.

P100P - What I like about the new P100P version is that the taper start lower in towards the handle (mid section is slightly thicker), which then although keeping the CTS mass, is a little less polarized.

P107G - For me the P107G is also really good, and I can easily dial in. If I owned one, I'd probably look to up the weight for a little more mass base power.

Side note: Weight doesn't seem to be an issue for me. I can still pull out an old school Radical Zebra OS and have a session with it.

Would love the Hive's thoughts on the two

 

[Dartagnan64]

I like all the phantoms but I’m currently using the 107G. Bit more oomph and more forgiveness. I can live with the lower level of control since it still has lots of feel.

 

[time_fly]

In reading your post, I didn't see any cons cited for the P107G, and you said that you are comfortable using an OS racquet. On the flip side you specifically said you have issues with the P100P at times. So I am guessing you have some other issue that you didn't mention with the P107G, or else this decision is a no-brainer?

 

[B Cubed]

In reading your post, I didn't see any cons cited for the P107G, and you said that you are comfortable using an OS racquet. On the flip side you specifically said you have issues with the P100P at times. So I am guessing you have some other issue that you didn't mention with the P107G, or else this decision is a no-brainer?

Probably the pop for the 107G. It is a little less powered than the Phantom 100p. What I've liked about both versions of the 100P has been the additional pop it brings to the phantom family. It's some reliable mass based power you get. So, if I can probably add the appropriate weight to get the 107G to have more pop... then I think the answer would be quick.

 

[Nebulous]

Played with the Phantom Pro 100p for a couple of years -- a good racquet although a bit weak on serves and flexy in the upper hoop. The newer P100p has better serving potential and more relative power and an improvement on the Pro 100p if you can handle the decrease in maneuverability and somewhat smaller sweet spot. Currently using the 107g and very much enjoying it as it is more maneuverable with good power and spin, and for me at least it plays better than either P100p with no need to added weight.

 

[time_fly]

Probably the pop for the 107G. It is a little less powered than the Phantom 100p. What I've liked about both versions of the 100P has been the additional pop it brings to the phantom family. It's some reliable mass based power you get. So, if I can probably add the appropriate weight to get the 107G to have more pop... then I think the answer would be quick.

The easiest way to get more pop out of an OS racquet is just use a more powerful string or drop the string tension slightly. Since the strings are so long in a large head, there's good potential to get more snap and power from them with relatively small changes in the setup.

 

[B Cubed]

True, I'm a full bed multi man. And it only took me a life time of playing tennis to realize a low-mid range is my sweet spot for tensions. Ironically, as I'm getting older (mid-40's), I'm finding it easier to play with more mass, my sweet spot is around 11.75 oz.

 

[time_fly]

True, I'm a full bed multi man. And it only took me a life time of playing tennis to realize a low-mid range is my sweet spot for tensions. Ironically, as I'm getting older (mid-40's), I'm finding it easier to play with more mass, my sweet spot is around 11.75 oz.

If you are open to demo something else, try the Blade 104 v7. It's a bit thicker than a Phantom but still has good flex and feel, and because it's extended it has good swing weight and power. You could possibly add some weight, but since it's an XL frame you probably wouldn't need to add much.

 

[ChanterRacquet]

So I don’t sound like a broken record I don’t end every post with it, but since someone else brought it up...blade 104 v7. The ball pocketing flex, power on serve, just stand up and hit the crap out of those floaters...drool

 

[tennis347]

The Phantom 100p is really an underrated frame that really does everything well. The relatively high 320's SW and high twistweight make it really good for hard hitting with control as well as really nice feel. It's pretty easy to use and very forgiving with top notch stability. It's just a matter of dialing in the right string and tension based upon your game style and level. I personally added just a tad of lead at 10 and 2 (1.5 grams total and the same to the butt of the handle). My string choice has been Gosen Micro 16 in the lower 50's to 55 depending on the time of the year due to temperature changes.

I have not hit with Phantom 107 but would imagine it we be a good all around frame as well. I have seen alot of positive reviews on Phantom 107. It's too bad not many pros use any Prince frames as they are making a strong comeback with the Phantom line!

 

[Rock-solid]

I had both the 2020 100P and the 107G, I traded in the 107G for another 100P. In my opinion the 100P does everything better than the 107G. While the 107G is a fine racket, what I did not like about it was that it felt very clunky moving through the air. It is not the weight, as I have two Angell rackets that are in the 340-350g range and have no problem swinging them. I felt that the the box beam design and the crossbar in an oversize slowed the racket down and made it less maneuverable. If you are playing on clay and standing twenty feet behind the baseline, then the 107G is probably OK, but if you are trying to play aggressive hardcourt tennis and taking the ball early, then the 100P is a much better racket.

 

[Dartagnan64]

I had both the 2020 100P and the 107G, I traded in the 107G for another 100P. In my opinion the 100P does everything better than the 107G. While the 107G is a fine racket, what I did not like about it was that it felt very clunky moving through the air. It is not the weight, as I have two Angell rackets that are in the 340-350g range and have no problem swinging them. I felt that the the box beam design and the crossbar in an oversize slowed the racket down and made it less maneuverable. If you are playing on clay and standing twenty feet behind the baseline, then the 107G is probably OK, but if you are trying to play aggressive hardcourt tennis and taking the ball early, then the 100P is a much better racket.

Yep you have to sacrifice something to get that OS forgiveness. But as someone that has played a lot with the POG 107, the 107G is much quicker and more nimble.

The Phantom 100 O3 and 93P are even quicker through the air but I just don't get the same forgiveness and ability to re-direct pace with them that I get from the 107G. If I'm the better player, the 93P is my favourite. If I'm the weaker player the 107G keeps me in more points.

 

[acintya]

how is the 107 compared to Head Microgel OS?

sweetspot, spin, serve, power? and what string you use init? head mg os goes well bigbanger alu power

 

[Dartagnan64]

how is the 107 compared to Head Microgel OS?

sweetspot, spin, serve, power? and what string you use init? head mg os goes well bigbanger alu power

Haven't played with a Head racket in over a decade so I can't help you with that question. I imagine that the Head would have less spin and smaller sweetspot given it's tighter string pattern. I imagine the 107G would have more power based on the ATS and higher RA. Most people comment on the Head microgels as being "wet noodles" where you need to bring your own power.

As far as strings go, I've used gut, poly, multi and syn gut. I think any string type is fine but gauge and tension are the big factor. 17g loses tension too quickly for my taste and the open string pattern doesn't really need the thinner strings. I'd go 16g at the minimum. Tensions will vary based on string type. 50-52lbs for poly, 56-58 lbs for multi and gut, 54-56 lbs for more muted multis like Velocity, PPC and Triax. String on the looser end if you are a spin player and the higher end if you are flatter hitter.

 

[graycrait]

@B Cubed , as a long time OS racket fan... I traded or gave away my PP100P and then traded off my 107G. In that 106/7" head size my favorites are: Ncode Nblade 106, original Bumble Bee Head Rad OS, IG Rad OS and then any of the other Rad OS's. I have had a real "pile" of Prince 107s from yesteryear. I've had a couple of iterations of the Wilson 104s and got rid of them in short order. I used to buy 110 to 116 rackets and lead those up to around 11 oz and see how they worked. My favorite rackets to play with now are: #1 - Wilson 4.7Eb 115, #2 - Wilson 5.7Eb 115, #3 Babolat Pure Storm 98 GT Tour, #4 Wilson 4.7Eb 100 (Midplus).

 

[acintya]

Haven't played with a Head racket in over a decade so I can't help you with that question. I imagine that the Head would have less spin and smaller sweetspot given it's tighter string pattern. I imagine the 107G would have more power based on the ATS and higher RA. Most people comment on the Head microgels as being "wet noodles" where you need to bring your own power.

As far as strings go, I've used gut, poly, multi and syn gut. I think any string type is fine but gauge and tension are the big factor. 17g loses tension too quickly for my taste and the open string pattern doesn't really need the thinner strings. I'd go 16g at the minimum. Tensions will vary based on string type. 50-52lbs for poly, 56-58 lbs for multi and gut, 54-56 lbs for more muted multis like Velocity, PPC and Triax. String on the looser end if you are a spin player and the higher end if you are flatter hitter.

Thanks!!! maybe some day i will test it

 

[tennisintheeighties]

Which one is the most arm friendly ?
My golfer elbow is back (i need to change the mouse of my computer asap)

 

[Rock-solid]

100P is easier on the arm, the 107g hurt my elbow a bit, the only phantom to do that. Even though I am right handed I use my left hand for the mouse, I was able to adapt very quickly and wrist tendonitis was solved (in my right hand).

 

[tennisintheeighties]

100P is easier on the arm, the 107g hurt my elbow a bit, the only phantom to do that. Even though I am right handed I use my left hand for the mouse, I was able to adapt very quickly and wrist tendonitis was solved (in my right hand).

Yes good idea, mouse is terrible for elbow tendonitis.
Ok thank you, i got the phantom 100p demo here, i will put a syn gut first before hitting with
- hey from Vancouver ! -

 

[tennis347]

The Phantom 100P is a phenomenal all around racquet. I can't say enough good things about this frame. This is why I started my own thread last year!

 

[Dartagnan64]

Still using my 107G. recently Put some 17 g gut/poly in it and was amazed at how spin friendly it was as well as shocked at how launch-y it tended to be. I think I’ve got to stick with 16g strings. Keep the 17g for my 18x20 rackets.

Overall its Still my favorite phantom but mostly because of feel and forgiveness. The 93p is my second favorite but it’s far less forgiving.