Philippoussis vs Davydenko vs Berdych

Who is better

  • Scud

  • Davydenko

  • Berdych


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NAS

Hall of Fame
Now recently at the most talented player never to win slam thread, many people named Davydenko and Berdych but I don't remember any body mentioning Scud at all.
Scud was awesome but was not serious with career then add he got injuries to derail his career further.
Sampras said this in his book after AO loss
"I made the trip, though, and I played and ended up losing in the third round to an Aussie, Mark Philippoussis. The conditions were perfect for an upset: Mark had an adoring home crowd behind him and it was a night match, with some eighteen thousands fans jammed into the Rod Laver Arena, hungry for an upset. Mark just overpowered me – he was in the mythic zone, and when that happens to a player who has as big and versatile a game as Philippoussis, you’re in trouble."
Now in last few years there are sudden hypothetical myth of Davydenko and Berdych has grown.
So I am asking members to have opinion that who was the best talent among three.
With discussion I can find out that I am the only one who thinks he was one of the best talent or there are others also
 

urban

Legend
Scud was indeed, when he came up in the late 1990s, a frightening sight. Big, strong, solid allround game I think, that Sampras was afraid of him, looking at a bigger, younger version of himself. His serve was several times bigger than that of Ivanisevic, i remember that Goran litterally ducked away from Scuds aces in a Queens final, when he got back some of his own medicine. He could play on clay too, i remember a fine 5 set RG match, which he won over Sampras, and he singlehandedly won the DC for Australia vs. France on indoor clay. His Bercy final vs. Safin in 2000 was a mighty match of giants, which imo looked a like a forerunner of the robocop matches of the imaginable future. Later on, since ca. 2002 he suffered from injuries, and began to slow down in his movement.
 
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arvind13

Professional
davydenko more consistent than scud, but a healthy scud playing in his prime would beat davydenko most of the time on hard and grass courts, while davydenko would beat scud most of the time on clay.
 

mental midget

Hall of Fame
ah, scud...definitely could have won a major or two, i think injuries derailed him as well (and maybe a lack of dedicated training?) big, powerful guy but with a legit all-around game, good touch at net. i remember the ball sounding like a cannon coming off his racket.
 
But Scud has two slam final which in my eye is huge
Draw plays a role. Davydenko was often stopped in QF/SF by high-peak players, especially Federer himself five times. Phil played well to get to both finals but the way he was overwhelmed in either final takes off the shine. (The WIM final had a decent scoreline on the back of great serving by Scud but he had no chance on return and faltered in both tiebreaks.)
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Peak-wise: Phil > Denko > Birdie
Consistency: Birdie > Denko >> Phil

Davydenko's YEC win swings it his way I think. Scud could never make the YEC while Berdych could never do much there.
Are you sure Davy's peak is higher than Berd's? Berd at his best has overwhelming power. Just look at AO 2009 vs Fed.
 
Davydenko for me. He’s the most complete player of the 3 (I didn’t say most powerful serve or most powerful player, but most complete in terms of his total game) in my opinion. He was terrific on every kind of surface, won numerous Masters Series titles and played GREAT to win the ATP Finals in 2009. He also had one of the best backhands I’ve seen from a male player in the last 20 years. He was just reaching his peak level before injuries and off court stuff stalled his career
 

TennisLurker

Semi-Pro
I am sure Davydenko would have played more competitive finals against Nadal at the French Open than Federer, at least in the 2005-2007 period, in 2008 Nadal was untouchable.
IIRC he was stopped by Mariano Puerta in the semifinals (Puerta was doped), in 2006 by Nalbandian in quarterfinals (Nalbandian retired in the semifinals against Federer with one of his many absominal strains), and the following year by Federer in semifinals.
Davydenko was a bad match up for Nadal.

I think Davydenko was the best of the three.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Davydenko for me. He’s the most complete player of the 3 (I didn’t say most powerful serve or most powerful player, but most complete in terms of his total game) in my opinion. He was terrific on every kind of surface, won numerous Masters Series titles and played GREAT to win the ATP Finals in 2009. He also had one of the best backhands I’ve seen from a male player in the last 20 years. He was just reaching his peak level before injuries and off court stuff stalled his career
He sucked on grass.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I am sure Davydenko would have played more competitive finals against Nadal at the French Open than Federer, at least in the 2005-2007 period, in 2008 Nadal was untouchable.
IIRC he was stopped by Mariano Puerta in the semifinals (Puerta was doped), in 2006 by Nalbandian in quarterfinals (Nalbandian retired in the semifinals against Federer with one of his many absominal strains), and the following year by Federer in semifinals.
Davydenko was a bad match up for Nadal.

I think Davydenko was the best of the three.
Davydenko was a bad match-up for Nadal on HC, not clay. He only won 1 set vs Rafa on clay in his entire career.
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
I am sure Davydenko would have played more competitive finals against Nadal at the French Open than Federer, at least in the 2005-2007 period, in 2008 Nadal was untouchable.
IIRC he was stopped by Mariano Puerta in the semifinals (Puerta was doped), in 2006 by Nalbandian in quarterfinals (Nalbandian retired in the semifinals against Federer with one of his many absominal strains), and the following year by Federer in semifinals.
Davydenko was a bad match up for Nadal.

I think Davydenko was the best of the three.
Davy wouldn't have played better than Fed atleast in 05,06,07.
There is a reason that nobody took Rafa to even set five in those years
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
I am sure Davydenko would have played more competitive finals against Nadal at the French Open than Federer, at least in the 2005-2007 period, in 2008 Nadal was untouchable.
IIRC he was stopped by Mariano Puerta in the semifinals (Puerta was doped), in 2006 by Nalbandian in quarterfinals (Nalbandian retired in the semifinals against Federer with one of his many absominal strains), and the following year by Federer in semifinals.
Davydenko was a bad match up for Nadal.

I think Davydenko was the best of the three.
2005 maybe
not in 06 (lost to nalby)
not in 07 - didn't get a set vs fed and fed played well in the final himself and that was nadal's 2nd best/3rd best RG (after 08 and maybe 12)
 
2005 maybe
not in 06 (lost to nalby)
not in 07 - didn't get a set vs fed and fed played well in the final himself and that was nadal's 2nd best/3rd best RG (after 08 and maybe 12)
Probably right but who knows. The psychological aspect of both the Federer-Nadal and Davydenko-Nadal match ups is big (Davydenko vs Federer too for that matter). And Davydenko's game is perfectly designed to hurt Nadal. Even losing to Nalbandian who is a totally different player to Nadal, wouldn't neccessarily speak to him playing Nadal.

I don't know if they had a lot of matches on clay though. I know of one that Nadal won 7-5 in the 3rd in a best of 3, but that is all I remember. So whether Davydenko's big success on hard courts would have any real chance to translate even a bit to clay, I am not that sure of.
 
This is such a close comparison that in some instances even when you divide by peak level and a further condition of by surface it is hard to get it down to a single player.

I thought focusing on peak level on grass would yield Phillippoussis but I'm not sure his peak level there was quite as high as what Berdych produced in Wimbledon 2010 SF.
 
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