Pickleball is spreading

thehustler

Semi-Pro
It's taken over two of our tennis courts at the park I can walk to from lunch. They have scheduled times they can use the courts and it's usually early enough that it doesn't affect my group that plays during lunch time. However starting today they're having lessons at the park from 8am to 1pm or so the sign says. That can take up all the courts at times, so I'll be interested to see what happens if the lessons are taking over all the courts and the pickleball players want to take over their two courts. I don't know who has precedence so it should be fun to watch.

I just can't stand watching them play. Barely any movement. Just lunging forward at the waist to get a ball. Ugh. And that sound, grr.
 

atatu

Hall of Fame
This is the worst. Remember when they wanted to make pole dancing a competitive sport ? Strippers thought it was great because they could keep their clothes on and win contests. Then some washed up gymnasts started showing up and dominating the competitions. Then real gymnasts started showing up to win the contests and people realized pole dancing is just watered down gymnastics. Pickle ball is like pole dancing.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Really should be relegated to seniors complexes and gated communities. For the under 60 crowd there's more than enough racket sports to choose from that we didn't need one more (that is even less exercise). Badminton, Tennis, Squash, Racquetball, Table tennis all exist already. I think its just a market scam for racquet manufacturers to dig into the boomers wallets.
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
This is the worst. Remember when they wanted to make pole dancing a competitive sport ? Strippers thought it was great because they could keep their clothes on and win contests. Then some washed up gymnasts started showing up and dominating the competitions. Then real gymnasts started showing up to win the contests and people realized pole dancing is just watered down gymnastics. Pickle ball is like pole dancing.
 

shazbot

Semi-Pro
It's taken over two of our tennis courts at the park I can walk to from lunch. They have scheduled times they can use the courts and it's usually early enough that it doesn't affect my group that plays during lunch time. However starting today they're having lessons at the park from 8am to 1pm or so the sign says. That can take up all the courts at times, so I'll be interested to see what happens if the lessons are taking over all the courts and the pickleball players want to take over their two courts. I don't know who has precedence so it should be fun to watch.

I just can't stand watching them play. Barely any movement. Just lunging forward at the waist to get a ball. Ugh. And that sound, grr.
Pickle ball lessons are actually a thing? That's almost like someone getting mini golf lessons instead of real golf lessons.

If you have actually watched pickle ball, you would realize what a joke lessons must be.
 

thehustler

Semi-Pro
Pickle ball lessons are actually a thing? That's almost like someone getting mini golf lessons instead of real golf lessons.

If you have actually watched pickle ball, you would realize what a joke lessons must be.
Sorry I meant tennis lessons. I found out that they're basically kicking off the pickleball players to some other courts for the summer to not conflict with the tennis lessons.
 
How many of you have actually played Pickleball? It's actually a lot of fun to play, and at higher levels it can be a decent workout. Obviously not on the same level as tennis because the court is much smaller, but with good players the points are extended quite a bit. It can be played fast with power or slower with angles and finesse. It's completely unfair to judge an entire sport by seeing it played at it's lowest levels. People don't judge the level of Wimbledon when they come out and see a bunch of 3.0 doubles hackers on the local park courts!
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
How many of you have actually played Pickleball? It's actually a lot of fun to play, and at higher levels it can be a decent workout. Obviously not on the same level as tennis because the court is much smaller, but with good players the points are extended quite a bit. It can be played fast with power or slower with angles and finesse. It's completely unfair to judge an entire sport by seeing it played at it's lowest levels. People don't judge the level of Wimbledon when they come out and see a bunch of 3.0 doubles hackers on the local park courts!
I’ve never played before, but I heard it’s like pole dancing?
 
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sureshs

Bionic Poster
One thing I don't get about PBall is that there is no way to pick up the ball without bending. Though that is a good exercise all by itself, several senior citizens have dizziness problems if they have to keep bending repeatedly. Apart from that, it is no fun to do so.
 

thehustler

Semi-Pro
How many of you have actually played Pickleball? It's actually a lot of fun to play, and at higher levels it can be a decent workout. Obviously not on the same level as tennis because the court is much smaller, but with good players the points are extended quite a bit. It can be played fast with power or slower with angles and finesse. It's completely unfair to judge an entire sport by seeing it played at it's lowest levels. People don't judge the level of Wimbledon when they come out and see a bunch of 3.0 doubles hackers on the local park courts!
I'm sure most things at higher levels are a decent workout. But since we're amateurs and hang around amateurs and see other amateurs playing sports we see it a certain way. I watch amateurs play basketball, it looks fun and something I want to play (I have played a lot of bball). Soccer, sure, not my thing, but looks fun at the hack/amateur level. Tennis? Definitely. Pickleball? Barely moving? Dinking? That awful noise?
 

atatu

Hall of Fame
How many of you have actually played Pickleball? It's actually a lot of fun to play, and at higher levels it can be a decent workout. Obviously not on the same level as tennis because the court is much smaller, but with good players the points are extended quite a bit. It can be played fast with power or slower with angles and finesse. It's completely unfair to judge an entire sport by seeing it played at it's lowest levels. People don't judge the level of Wimbledon when they come out and see a bunch of 3.0 doubles hackers on the local park courts!
I've played and I beat some guys who were supposedly good experienced players, no idea if they actually were. I've also seen youtube clips of National level players and the best playerers hardly move at all, they do have great reflexes and volleys, but there is virtually no movement at all, that can't be denied.
 

tennis4me

Hall of Fame
Several interesting tidbits:
- What's the average age of Pickleball players? According to Sports & Fitness Industry Association (SFIA) - 75% of "Core" players has an average age of 55 and older. (Core is defined as those who play 8 or more times a year).
- It was invented by the late Congressman Joel Pritchard and two friends in 1965.
- Named after Pritchard's dog, Pickles.
- The US Open Pro singles champion prize money is $1750.
- The high-end pickleball paddle price is around $160, made of carbon/fiberglass with polymer core.

Other than smaller court size and easier to play/learn, I don't quite understand why it's so popular in the over 55 age considering how much lower the ball bounce -- thus requiring a LOT of bending. And we know how those knees get when one gets up there in age.

I have actually tried pickleball, without knowing much of the rules - just hitting around. Have to say it's more fun than I thought it'd be, but it's not as satisfying as hitting a tennis ball. The sound the paddle makes when hitting the balls is a bit annoying/loud, though.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
It's actually a lot of fun to play
So is table tennis. Doesn't mean it should be anything more than a niche sport for the elderly. The thing that keeps people addicted to sports like tennis and golf is that they are so hard to master. You can always improve. After a while Pickleball excitement will fade as people realize you can only hit a few different kinds of shots, all of which aren't terribly hard to master.
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
Pickleball is taking over our club. They use 2 of our 6 indoor courts pretty regularly throughout the day. There are now lessons, tournaments, and a new juniors' program. Ugh.
 
Pickleball is ridiculous. Now, Padel Tennis that's something worthy. I wish Padel Tennis had some sort of overtaking as pickleball. It's just so fun to play it and very similar to tennis but with more action (especially for newbies). It;s great for newbies too to get used to spacial awareness and net game.
 

Clintspin

Professional
Pickleball was not named after the dog. In fact, it was the opposite. I believe the inventor's wife named it after a rowing term.
 

Geoff

Hall of Fame
I have drunk the Pickleball juice and have become certified to teach Pickleball through the IPTPA (USPTA endorsed) and am doing the PPR certification (PTR endorsed) this weekend. We have no dedicated Pickleball courts (or room to build them) at our club but there is interest brewing with the members. I was at a top resort this weekend that is converting 2 Har Tru courts to Pickleball courts. In Atlanta if a tennis court has permanent Pickleball lines on it the court is not considered to be allowed to be used for sanctioned tennis matches.
 

WhiteOut

Semi-Pro
at our tennis club, the head pro was full boat into pickleball. so much so that tennis folks could not get a single court on certain evenings...wtf?! That pro is no longer at our club, nor is pickleball. and the courts are always full of tennis players. win one for the tennis folks!
 

shazbot

Semi-Pro
I have drunk the Pickleball juice and have become certified to teach Pickleball through the IPTPA (USPTA endorsed) and am doing the PPR certification (PTR endorsed) this weekend. We have no dedicated Pickleball courts (or room to build them) at our club but there is interest brewing with the members. I was at a top resort this weekend that is converting 2 Har Tru courts to Pickleball courts. In Atlanta if a tennis court has permanent Pickleball lines on it the court is not considered to be allowed to be used for sanctioned tennis matches.
Not a knock on you, but what is there to really teach in pickle ball? From a lessons stand point.

A tournament in Florida was on Fox Sports a few months ago and from what I can tell, there is very, if any, learning curve to the game.

The serve is just an underhand dink. 95% of the shots are cross court dinks and there is no explosive footwork needed. There is no racquet preparation needed or swing path to teach.

Like I have said in another pickleball thread before, anyone who has even an ounce of athleticism in them can probably be a good pickle ball player in a matter of 20-30 minutes.
 

Geoff

Hall of Fame
Not a knock on you, but what is there to really teach in pickle ball? From a lessons stand point.

A tournament in Florida was on Fox Sports a few months ago and from what I can tell, there is very, if any, learning curve to the game.

The serve is just an underhand dink. 95% of the shots are cross court dinks and there is no explosive footwork needed. There is no racquet preparation needed or swing path to teach.

Like I have said in another pickleball thread before, anyone who has even an ounce of athleticism in them can probably be a good pickle ball player in a matter of 20-30 minutes.
I think part of the appeal is the quick learning curve (much to your point). I feel that the smaller court, simpler strokes allow people to keep the ball in play and feel that they have proficiency in the game. The Pickleball "leaders" that I have encountered respect the skills of tennis players and recognize their ability to be very good Pickleball players.
 
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shazbot

Semi-Pro
I think part of the appeal is the quick learning curve (much to your point). I feel that the smaller court, simpler strokes allow people to keep the ball in play and feel that they have proficiency in the game. The Pickleball "leaders" that I have encountered respect the skills of tennis players and recognize their ability to be very good Pickleball players.
That's pretty much what I suspected. We played pickleball in gym class in high school, so over 20 years ago. That was before I even starting playing tennis and even then, I found it incredibly easy.

I'd wager to say any 4.5 tennis player could probably compete in any pickleball tournament in the country. I'm for all people getting out and getting exercise though, I just hate when they take over the tennis courts haha :)

When it really comes down to it, I guess I just don't like it because of the lack of learning curve. It's like if they made a new version of basketball and made the ball half the size and made the hoop 3 times the radius. Sure, everyone would be instantly good at it, but in the end, how fun is it when any joe schmo can pick up the ball and be great?
 

MathGeek

Hall of Fame
People don't judge the level of Wimbledon when they come out and see a bunch of 3.0 doubles hackers on the local park courts!
Don't judge us 3.0 hackers either!

So is table tennis. Doesn't mean it should be anything more than a niche sport for the elderly. The thing that keeps people addicted to sports like tennis and golf is that they are so hard to master. You can always improve. After a while Pickleball excitement will fade as people realize you can only hit a few different kinds of shots, all of which aren't terribly hard to master.
America is getting fatter and lazier. When pickleball fades, I expect something even worse will take its place.

But it is better than video games and being glued to a smart phone.
 
Those of you who haven't played before I would suggest giving it a try! Tennis players have a huge advantage over non players in Pickleball. Also for me, Pickleball uses all of my favorite elements of doubles in tennis, angles, quick hands, misdirection. If you're strictly a singles player it might not appeal to you as much, because as much as I enjoy playing doubles in Pickleball, Pickleball singles sucks!
 

Raul_SJ

Legend
It seems that even pickleball ball machines have arrived in the market!

And new pickleball-specific court surfaces!
Picklers just paint over existing hard courts and kindly share the court with tennis players.
Hopefully no special pickle surface is necessary, otherwise be prepared for massive tennis court demolition.
 
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Dartagnan64

Legend
Don't judge us 3.0 hackers either!



America is getting fatter and lazier. When pickleball fades, I expect something even worse will take its place.

But it is better than video games and being glued to a smart phone.
Only thing worse than Pickleball is E-sports.
 

Cawlin

Semi-Pro
Two summers ago, I saw a couple teenagers playing pickleball on the tennis court next to where my wife and I were playing tennis. That was very early in my own tennis play, so I was extremely focused on spin generation on groundstrokes and serve of course. Watching these guys playing pickleball, it looked like all they were doing was playing a large version of scrub table tennis - all dinks - no spin - just pop it back and forth and try to hit it where the other guy wasn't...

So my question about this game is: How effective/useful/prevalent is spin generation?
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
I think part of the appeal is the quick learning curve (much to your point). I feel that the smaller court, simpler strokes allow people to keep the ball in play and feel that they have proficiency in the game. The Pickleball "leaders" that I have encountered respect the skills of tennis players and recognize their ability to be very good Pickleball players.
is there a rating system? is there a chart for NTRP to Pickleball level?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Picklers just paint over existing hard courts and kindly share the court with tennis players.
Hopefully no special pickle surface is necessary, otherwise be prepared for massive tennis court demolition.
Yeah it seems the court surface is the same as tennis for asphalt and concrete.

But as the sport grows, won't players demand red clay pickleball courts?
 

schmke

Hall of Fame
Yeah it seems the court surface is the same as tennis for asphalt and concrete.

But as the sport grows, won't players demand red clay pickleball courts?
Only if Europeans or South Americans fall into the pickleball trap and pick the game up.
 

darkhorse

Semi-Pro
I remember playing pickleball in gym class, it was fun but I typically dominated because I played tennis and could put spin on the ball. It seems less strategic than tennis for sure
 

Raul_SJ

Legend
The average American is obese. Tennis is too strenuous for the majority of the population.
Pickleball is a good thing if it gets these people active. If it is at the cost of replacing tennis courts with pickle courts, so be it.
The greatest good for the greatest number.
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Adult Obesity Facts | Overweight & Obesity | CDC
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
The prevalence of obesity was 39.8% and affected about 93.3 million of US adults in 2015~2016. [Read CDC National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) data ...
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
The average American is obese. Tennis is too strenuous for the majority of the population.
Pickleball is a good thing if it gets these people active. If it is at the cost of replacing tennis courts with pickle courts, so be it.
The greatest good for the greatest number.
:unsure:

Adult Obesity Facts | Overweight & Obesity | CDC
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
The prevalence of obesity was 39.8% and affected about 93.3 million of US adults in 2015~2016. [Read CDC National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) data ...
The main reasons for obesity are long sedentary working hours and excess eating. Tennis vs pickleball is a minor issue here. In fact, these activities are often accompanied by more eating and drinking. Witness the "refreshments" brought by home league players for themselves and the opposing team. Chips, donuts, pizza, soda, beer are the staples. Better to skip tennis and take a walk instead.
 
So my question about this game is: How effective/useful/prevalent is spin generation?
There is spin, but mostly under and side... Topspin doesn't really become a thing until the higher levels (4.5/5.0). The paddle face is pretty smooth, as is the ball, so spin generation can be more difficult. For me, I am always trying to find a paddle that has more texture to allow me to whip my forehand. Pickleball is the only "racquet" sport that I have played where my backhand is my stronger shot.
 

thehustler

Semi-Pro
Those of you who haven't played before I would suggest giving it a try! Tennis players have a huge advantage over non players in Pickleball. Also for me, Pickleball uses all of my favorite elements of doubles in tennis, angles, quick hands, misdirection. If you're strictly a singles player it might not appeal to you as much, because as much as I enjoy playing doubles in Pickleball, Pickleball singles sucks!
And there's the problem, pickleball singles sucks. Of all the times I've seen these people play pickleball there's never been a singles match, only doubles. If there's a game that has singles and doubles and only one of them is fun to play then that's not good.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I don't like doubles. I am highly individualistic and want the space and freedom to execute as per my wishes. I also don't want to "communicate" with anyone.
 
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