Pickleball is spreading

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I read a tennis industry magazine recently, and Pickleball is all over the place. Sponsors are jumping onboard, paddle sales are off the charts, and crash courses for Pickleball teaching certification have sprung up.
 

zaskar1

Semi-Pro
we all should play pickleball when we can no longer run and move. its a great game for standing or taking one step.
i am looking forward to playing it when that happens to me. its either pickleball or golf when i become movement challenged.
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BlueB

Legend
we all should play pickleball when we can no longer run and move. its a great game for standing or taking one step.
i am looking forward to playing it when that happens to me. its either pickleball or golf when i become movement challenged.
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Why? Pingpong singles is a lot faster and racquet skill more advanced game, while you don't have to move feet too much (not talking pro level). Pingpong doubles is one of the tactically most interesting games.
 

puppybutts

Semi-Pro
was at a popular park that SPECIFICALLY has separate pickleball courts. yet there were pickleball players on the tennis courts, with tennis players waiting for an open court. because they did not want to wait their turn at the pickleball court. am i wrong to be mad about it? the stupid hallow clacking of the paddles on the ball...secretly i wish i enjoyed pickleball because it is easier on the body, but rather than play a sad version of tennis, i would change sports at that point and pick up swimming and do old man aquatics.
 

puppybutts

Semi-Pro
They had no business at the tennis courts...
i wanted to tell them off....but then is it a case where i make myself the bigger ******* by walking across 3 tennis courts in play to stand there arguing with them? :cry: plus, you never know who will be reasonable and who will be a psycho about it :X3:o_O:happydevil::alien:(n)
 

treo

Semi-Pro
A great thing about pickleball spreading is that now there a lot more places to play Spec Tennis. I tried it out for the first time last night and it is a lot of fun. We were using some cheap wood paddles but it was so fun I ordered some paddles designed for Spec Tennis.

As a baseliner who has been playing tennis for 25 years it is easy to play pickleball at a beginner level but when you start playing against advanced players it gets difficult, where controlling the net is important and a baseliner won't likely beat a net player. It takes a whole different mindset. Maybe a S&V player will advance quicker but you can't S&V in pickleball. It is allowed in Spec Tennis.

I enjoy playing all three sports and the small court ones are more appealing during hot summer days, especially when indoor play is readily available.
 
Just this week at one of our outdoor local public parks that had 12 tennis courts is now cut in half to 6 tennis courts. We had two rows of 6 courts previously.

Now we have 1 row of 6 tennis courts and then the back row they re-paved and painted 16 brand new pickleball courts.

Tennis players dont agree with reducing the # of courts in half at a popular park. On a nice evening, all 12 tennis courts would be occupied with potential players waiting.They couldve built pickleball courts with all their land anywhere on property and left our tennis courts to us! We must rebel!
 

BillKid

Professional
So you were playing pickleball for the first time and were immediately playing and winning at their 4.5 level? I believe it.

In fact, many of the top pickleball professionals in the world are former 4.5 and 5.0 tennis players that dropped into the sport in their 30s. Our former teaching pro at our club is one of them. She was a good tennis player - a 5.0 that won a state doubles title in high school, but was often injured and had numerous knee, back, and shoulder surgeries. Then in her mid-30s, she started playing pickleball. After less than a year of starting, she won numerous "professional" pickleball titles, including the US Open, and got ranked inside the top 10 in the world. Her face is now used in several commercials for pickleball equipment. She was going nowhere as a tennis teacher, so I'm glad for her success... but...

It would be impossible for a 4.5 pickleball player to play tennis for the first time and immediately be able to play at a 4.5 tennis level. I doubt such a player would even be able to win any points, much less games or matches.

To me, this is exactly why I can't take pickleball seriously. It's a sport for old worn out people and non-athletes that don't want to move. The comparison to shuffleboard is not far off. The only thing that sucks is that their game is encroaching on tennis and taking over a lot of the courts. We've already lost two of our seven tennis courts at my club now.
Not really kind but probably true :)
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Just this week at one of our outdoor local public parks that had 12 tennis courts is now cut in half to 6 tennis courts. We had two rows of 6 courts previously.

Now we have 1 row of 6 tennis courts and then the back row they re-paved and painted 16 brand new pickleball courts.

Tennis players dont agree with reducing the # of courts in half at a popular park. On a nice evening, all 12 tennis courts would be occupied with potential players waiting.They couldve built pickleball courts with all their land anywhere on property and left our tennis courts to us! We must rebel!
Who is holding the paddle?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Watched a pickleball tutorial. For every point, you need to call the score as well as if you are server number 1 or 2. This is being touted as improving memory skills in seniors. I think it is too much of a burden.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Watched a pickleball tutorial. For every point, you need to call the score as well as if you are server number 1 or 2. This is being touted as improving memory skills in seniors. I think it is too much of a burden.
Till you play a forgetfull senior. Always in his favor
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Lost cause. Here is a post from my Nextdoor Pickle group today:


Many moons ago I played tennis so trying to break those habits and get better at playing pickleball.


LOL tennis skills are now bad habits.
 

Crazy Finn

Hall of Fame
Sorry but they suck compared to world class tennis players, guarantee that if Barty practiced pickle for one day she would destroy these players.
Barty? For sure.

Heck any decent tennis 4.0 or higher would mop the floor with 98% of pickleball players.
 

David I.

New User
Sorry but they suck compared to world class tennis players, guarantee that if Barty practiced pickle for one day she would destroy these players.
Talent goes to where the money is.
U.S. Open Tennis Championships — A Comparison to U.S. Open Pickleball
Certainly, a total pickleball purse of $54,000 is nothing to sneeze at. But how does that total prize purse compare to that of the U.S. Open TennisChampionships?
Glad you asked! At the 2019 U.S. Open Tennis Championships the total purse exceeded $57,000,000 with the men’s and women’s singles champion pocketing $3,850,000 and the men’s and women’s doubles champion pocketing $740,000 (per team).
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Talent goes to where the money is.
U.S. Open Tennis Championships — A Comparison to U.S. Open Pickleball
Certainly, a total pickleball purse of $54,000 is nothing to sneeze at. But how does that total prize purse compare to that of the U.S. Open TennisChampionships?
Glad you asked! At the 2019 U.S. Open Tennis Championships the total purse exceeded $57,000,000 with the men’s and women’s singles champion pocketing $3,850,000 and the men’s and women’s doubles champion pocketing $740,000 (per team).
Because why would a TV audience want to watch a PB match over a Tennis Match? The paddle to ball interaction is so limited that you can't really do as much with spin, the ball moves so slowly through the air and the court is so small, you can't hit winners. It comes down to who makes the error first.
Basically the only people that want to watch it are PB players themselves.
 

StringGuruMRT

Semi-Pro
Barty? For sure.

Heck any decent tennis 4.0 or higher would mop the floor with 98% of pickleball players.
This may be true at recreational levels, but when you start playing in tournaments and run into the pickleball players who excel at dinking and not just banging the ball (like most tennis players who pick up the game) you realize that you still have work to do. This is especially evident in doubles. And trust me I speak from experience!
 

atatu

Legend
This may be true at recreational levels, but when you start playing in tournaments and run into the pickleball players who excel at dinking and not just banging the ball (like most tennis players who pick up the game) you realize that you still have work to do. This is especially evident in doubles. And trust me I speak from experience!
Do you think a professional tennis doubles team would lose to the top pickleball doubles team ?
 

StringGuruMRT

Semi-Pro
Do you think a professional tennis doubles team would lose to the top pickleball doubles team ?
Yes. I think the top Pickleball doubles team would beat a professional tennis doubles team. There are similarities in the two games, but they are played differently strategically.
 

Crazy Finn

Hall of Fame
This may be true at recreational levels, but when you start playing in tournaments and run into the pickleball players who excel at dinking and not just banging the ball (like most tennis players who pick up the game) you realize that you still have work to do. This is especially evident in doubles. And trust me I speak from experience!
I played pickleball back decades ago as in gym class in junior high and high school. Dinking in pickleball isn't that hard. Basically all of the skills in pickleball are easier than their tennis equivalents. They might be different strategically, but it's kind of checkers to chess in comparison to tennis.

I'm sure you're convinced of it's skill level and there's just no way you'll ever convince me. I've watch YouTube clips of championship matches and played a bit myself. It is what it is.

Yes. I think the top Pickleball doubles team would beat a professional tennis doubles team. There are similarities in the two games, but they are played differently strategically.
I think a top tennis doubles team with some prep and a few pointers and coaching would definitely beat a top pickleball doubles team.
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
At least in SoCal...many teaching pros have been playing pickle ball and entering local/regional tourneys and grabbing some money.
 

atatu

Legend
Yes. I think the top Pickleball doubles team would beat a professional tennis doubles team. There are similarities in the two games, but they are played differently strategically.
I guess I disagree with you here, I imagine this is what would happen, the pickleball team would dink into the kitchen, the tennis guys would hit it up high and the pickleball players would try to volley through them...only to see the ball reflexed back into their chest, again and again and again.
 

treo

Semi-Pro
I'm a 4.0 tennis player and after playing pickle for a month I attended the Atlanta Pickleball Open as a spectator and felt I had no chance at 4.0 but would could be competitive at 3.5 so I entered a tournament a month later in doubles 3.5 and we came in second to last. A month after that I entered a singles tournament at 3.0 and won half my matches.
If you want to test your tennis skills in pickle for yourself, enter a tournament near you and you might have a new respect for pickle like I do.
 

StringGuruMRT

Semi-Pro
I guess I disagree with you here, I imagine this is what would happen, the pickleball team would dink into the kitchen, the tennis guys would hit it up high and the pickleball players would try to volley through them...only to see the ball reflexed back into their chest, again and again and again.
I think that it would be a very competitive match, don't get me wrong, but the top pickleball team has very good reflexes for volleys as well. Don't forget that the pickleball travels at a different rate than a tennis ball, so there would be some adjustment for the tennis players for that. Tennis players can judge the speed of a tennis ball coming off of an opponents racquet based on the velocity of their shot and the speed of their opponents swing, a pickleball will no travel at that same velocity as a tennis ball when both swings are identical. Also many of the top players in pickleball are also very accomplished tennis players in their own right. Maybe not at the top pro levels, but there are many very accomplished former college players, and open level tournament players.
 

StringGuruMRT

Semi-Pro
I'm a 4.0 tennis player and after playing pickle for a month I attended the Atlanta Pickleball Open as a spectator and felt I had no chance at 4.0 but would could be competitive at 3.5 so I entered a tournament a month later in doubles 3.5 and we came in second to last. A month after that I entered a singles tournament at 3.0 and won half my matches.
If you want to test your tennis skills in pickle for yourself, enter a tournament near you and you might have a new respect for pickle like I do.
This is almost my experience exactly! The first time I played singles in a pickleball tournament, I finished 3rd out of 5. I did win a smaller doubles tournament at the 4.0 level, but when my partner and I played in an AAU National Tournament, our results were not as successful.

I think it is very easy as tennis players to judge pickleball as a lesser sport, but it really isn't. Maybe 5 years ago as a strong tennis player you could go out and win some matches in some larger tournaments, but those days are over. There are a lot of players out there taking the sport very serious at the professional level, and making a living at it. The level has jumped tremendously in the last few years at both the recreational level, and the competitive level.
 

atatu

Legend
I think that it would be a very competitive match, don't get me wrong, but the top pickleball team has very good reflexes for volleys as well. Don't forget that the pickleball travels at a different rate than a tennis ball, so there would be some adjustment for the tennis players for that. Tennis players can judge the speed of a tennis ball coming off of an opponents racquet based on the velocity of their shot and the speed of their opponents swing, a pickleball will no travel at that same velocity as a tennis ball when both swings are identical. Also many of the top players in pickleball are also very accomplished tennis players in their own right. Maybe not at the top pro levels, but there are many very accomplished former college players, and open level tournament players.
This isn't pickleball, but it's an interesting look at what happens when a world class tennis player takes on the best in the world at paddle tennis (the guy called himself the Roger Federer of paddle tennis).
 

Mongolmike

Hall of Fame
Had to laugh today, clearly there are other people who do not like pickleball, even if they aren't tennis players.

I had just finished biking and was sitting in my car cooling off and texting a friend. Maybe 50 yards away is a tennis court (3 courts), with one of the courts converted to permanent pickleball nets and there were two people pickling.

At one point I hear a man's voice in the parking lot (couldn't see him), but he was calling out the following in rythmn with the clack of the pickleball:

"Pickleball

Pickleball

Echo

Pickleball

I hear you

Echo

Pickleball"

etc. This went on for about a full minute. Had to laugh. Clearly, he was not a fan.
 

StringGuruMRT

Semi-Pro
This isn't pickleball, but it's an interesting look at what happens when a world class tennis player takes on the best in the world at paddle tennis (the guy called himself the Roger Federer of paddle tennis).
Maybe I'm wrong... But I have played tennis at a high level for many years, and I have been playing pickleball competitively for a few. I feel like I'm speaking from a pretty well educated background in both.
 

atatu

Legend
Maybe I'm wrong... But I have played tennis at a high level for many years, and I have been playing pickleball competitively for a few. I feel like I'm speaking from a pretty well educated background in both.
I've played tennis at fairly high level as well, but let's face it, when we are talking about ATP tour level players, they are on a different level than any of us. Here's another story, a friend of mine who is a good 5.0 level player has a sister who is in her 50's, she actually was on the WTA tour and played at Wimbledon, etc. He has started playing pickle and he got his sister to play as well. He told me "my sister has been playing pickleball for 4 months and she already has two national titles." I think that pretty much tells you what you need to know, I'm not aware of any other sport where someone win National titles after playing for 4 months. This woman wasn't even a top WTA player in her prime, she was maybe top 300. Now compare her to The Bryan Brothers or Mahut and Hebert ?
 

Mongolmike

Hall of Fame
Pickleball players are very defensive of the skill required in their "sport". Laughably so. Yet, many older, non athletic, and often times overweight people are the loudest voices in support.
That part just doesn't make sense to me.
I guess if someone never played many organized or rec level sports in their younger years or thru middle age, then yes, pickleball is intense, competitive, challenging, etc. Glad they are getting some exercise.
 

StringGuruMRT

Semi-Pro
I've played tennis at fairly high level as well, but let's face it, when we are talking about ATP tour level players, they are on a different level than any of us. Here's another story, a friend of mine who is a good 5.0 level player has a sister who is in her 50's, she actually was on the WTA tour and played at Wimbledon, etc. He has started playing pickle and he got his sister to play as well. He told me "my sister has been playing pickleball for 4 months and she already has two national titles." I think that pretty much tells you what you need to know, I'm not aware of any other sport where someone win National titles after playing for 4 months. This woman wasn't even a top WTA player in her prime, she was maybe top 300. Now compare her to The Bryan Brothers or Mahut and Hebert ?
Yes, the learning curve is shorter than tennis! Yes tennis players have an advantage over players who start new with Pickleball. I'm agreeing to all of this! But the premise of your question was (as I read it) that would a top tennis doubles team beat THE TOP Pickleball team with little to no preparation, and I said that the Pickleball team would win in a competitive match. As for your friend's sister, I'm sure that since she was an WTA tour player, she probably has a very intense work ethic, and didn't casually play pickleball for 4 months. I'm sure she made it her goal to become a top competitor, and worked hard at it. Also I have competed in an AAU National Pickleball Tournament and had a chance to win as well. None of the top players were there, so its also a lot about what tournament and what the level of competition is.

All I'm saying is that pickleball (at it's highest level) isn't as easy as so many 3.0-3.5 tennis players on here think it is. Just because you have watched a couple of YouTube clips, and swing a RF97A customized to 380g because "that's the only racquet you can play with" doesn't mean that you can compete with Ben Johns, Tyson McGuffin, and Simone Jardin after a week of slapping the ol wiffle ball around. Show some respect.
 

atatu

Legend
Yes, the learning curve is shorter than tennis! Yes tennis players have an advantage over players who start new with Pickleball. I'm agreeing to all of this! But the premise of your question was (as I read it) that would a top tennis doubles team beat THE TOP Pickleball team with little to no preparation, and I said that the Pickleball team would win in a competitive match. As for your friend's sister, I'm sure that since she was an WTA tour player, she probably has a very intense work ethic, and didn't casually play pickleball for 4 months. I'm sure she made it her goal to become a top competitor, and worked hard at it. Also I have competed in an AAU National Pickleball Tournament and had a chance to win as well. None of the top players were there, so its also a lot about what tournament and what the level of competition is.

All I'm saying is that pickleball (at it's highest level) isn't as easy as so many 3.0-3.5 tennis players on here think it is. Just because you have watched a couple of YouTube clips, and swing a RF97A customized to 380g because "that's the only racquet you can play with" doesn't mean that you can compete with Ben Johns, Tyson McGuffin, and Simone Jardin after a week of slapping the ol wiffle ball around. Show some respect.
Fair enough, and you're probably right about the doubles, although I think given a week to practice a top ATP doubles team could compete with the best PB teams. I'm not sure who you are referring to with respect to the 3.0 player who swings an RF97A or if you are just making some kind of generalization. As far as respect for pickleball, I mean, it's tough to respect any sport/game that uses a wiffleball the be honest. I don't know who those pickleball players are, but I'm willing to bet that at least one of them tried to make it on the ATP tour but failed, am I right ?
 

jhick

Hall of Fame
Fair enough, and you're probably right about the doubles, although I think given a week to practice a top ATP doubles team could compete with the best PB teams. I'm not sure who you are referring to with respect to the 3.0 player who swings an RF97A or if you are just making some kind of generalization. As far as respect for pickleball, I mean, it's tough to respect any sport/game that uses a wiffleball the be honest. I don't know who those pickleball players are, but I'm willing to bet that at least one of them tried to make it on the ATP tour but failed, am I right ?
Not sure about the guys, but the one gal playing in the video posted previously is only 14, so I highly doubt she played on the WTA tour. So she is like the Hingis or Capriati of PB.
 

StringGuruMRT

Semi-Pro
Fair enough, and you're probably right about the doubles, although I think given a week to practice a top ATP doubles team could compete with the best PB teams. I'm not sure who you are referring to with respect to the 3.0 player who swings an RF97A or if you are just making some kind of generalization. As far as respect for pickleball, I mean, it's tough to respect any sport/game that uses a wiffleball the be honest. I don't know who those pickleball players are, but I'm willing to bet that at least one of them tried to make it on the ATP tour but failed, am I right ?
I know that Ben Johns used to play tennis, but got burned out. He's only 22, and a student at University of Maryland.
Tyson McGuffin was at one point rated a 5.5 tennis player, so he probably wasn't a strong enough player to make a legit run at ATP.
Simone Jardin used to coach the women's tennis team at Michigan State, I don't know her playing background.

Failing to make it on the ATP Tour doesn't make a player a failure. It makes them the majority.
 
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