Pickleball is spreading

And there's the problem, pickleball singles sucks. Of all the times I've seen these people play pickleball there's never been a singles match, only doubles. If there's a game that has singles and doubles and only one of them is fun to play then that's not good.
In my opinion the game just doesn't translate as well to singles. Maybe sucks was a bit dramatic, I just greatly prefer doubles. The same could be said for my feelings about tennis as well, but not to the same extent.
 

Cawlin

Semi-Pro
There is spin, but mostly under and side... Topspin doesn't really become a thing until the higher levels (4.5/5.0). The paddle face is pretty smooth, as is the ball, so spin generation can be more difficult. For me, I am always trying to find a paddle that has more texture to allow me to whip my forehand. Pickleball is the only "racquet" sport that I have played where my backhand is my stronger shot.
Are there restrictions on paddle surfaces with regard to friction/spin potential? I.e. could someone go out with a really sticky rubber faced paddle and begin to make that wiffleball REALLY dance with extreme spin?
 
Are there restrictions on paddle surfaces with regard to friction/spin potential? I.e. could someone go out with a really sticky rubber faced paddle and begin to make that wiffleball REALLY dance with extreme spin?
I'm sure there are restrictions of some sort, but if you're not playing a tournament, and just playing with friends, why not?! One of the things that differentiates higher level players from lower is the ability to take the pace off of power shots, a rubbery paddle face would probably help that!
 

Cawlin

Semi-Pro
I'm sure there are restrictions of some sort, but if you're not playing a tournament, and just playing with friends, why not?! One of the things that differentiates higher level players from lower is the ability to take the pace off of power shots, a rubbery paddle face would probably help that!
I looked into some videos of "essential" shots for pickle ball, and if there aren't restrictions on the surface material of the paddles, there definitely will be soon. If you could get something like the sticky rubber on quality table tennis paddles for pickleball, and hit that wiffleball with one of those paddles and "extreme" brush for spin generation (side, slice, or top), that ball will move through the air dramatically differently. I am not familiar enough with the specifics of it to be able to predict how much the ball will bounce differently... but it surely would have big impact.

*edit* OK I see that there are specific rules for the paddle surface. Here's an excerpt dealing with my question specifically.

https://www.usapa.org/docs/ifp/USAPA-Rulebook.pdf
USAPA Rulebook said:
2.E.2. Surface. The paddle hitting surface shall not contain holes, indentations, rough texturing, or any objects or features that allow a player to impart additional spin on the ball. Paddle roughness is determined using a Starrett SR160 Surface Roughness Tester (or equivalent). The allowable limits for roughness shall be no greater than 30 micrometers (µm) on the Rz reading (average maximum height, peak to valley) and no greater than 40 micrometers on the Rt reading (average maximum height, peak to valley). All readings will be taken in six different directions...
...2.E.6. Prohibited Surface Features and Mechanical Features. 2.E.6.a. Anti-skid paint or any paint textured with sand, rubber particles, or any material that causes additional spin. 2.E.6.b. Rubber and synthetic rubber. 2.E.6.c. Sandpaper characteristics...
 
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sureshs

Bionic Poster
Did you know that pickleball was invented by a US Congressman to amuse himself when he had nothing else to do?
 

darkhorse

Semi-Pro
Can somebody explain why the prevailing strategy seems to be hitting the ball softly into the restricted area (or whatever it's called)?
 

Cawlin

Semi-Pro
Can somebody explain why the prevailing strategy seems to be hitting the ball softly into the restricted area (or whatever it's called)?
Excellent question - I wondered the same.. perhaps it's the "one more ball" strategy? Maybe they're hoping the other guy will pop up one of those short shots and give you a putaway option?
 

Geoff

Hall of Fame
Excellent question - I wondered the same.. perhaps it's the "one more ball" strategy? Maybe they're hoping the other guy will pop up one of those short shots and give you a putaway option?
The strategy is that the ball does not bounce high. Having the ball bounce into the Non Volley Zone (NVZ) or "Kitchen" prevents the opponent from getting a put away shot. For those that don't know you can not hit the ball out of the air if any part of you is touching the NVZ/Kitchen line or closer to the net. When you play you see how important it is to avoid letting someone hit a volley.
 

thehustler

Semi-Pro
The strategy is that the ball does not bounce high. Having the ball bounce into the Non Volley Zone (NVZ) or "Kitchen" prevents the opponent from getting a put away shot. For those that don't know you can not hit the ball out of the air if any part of you is touching the NVZ/Kitchen line or closer to the net. When you play you see how important it is to avoid letting someone hit a volley.
That's like telling a tennis player they can't volley inside the service box. What a waste.
 

Geoff

Hall of Fame
That's like telling a tennis player they can't volley inside the service box. What a waste.
With the court being so small I can see the reason. Hard to hit a winning lob. I changed my perception of Pickleball once I played. Nothing will ever top tennis for me but Pickleball is a fun game. I'm not on a soap box for Pickleball but as a teaching pro its better to stay ahead of the curve! Plus it's another potential income source and in my opinion a way to bring people to tennis.
 
With the court being so small I can see the reason. Hard to hit a winning lob. I changed my perception of Pickleball once I played. Nothing will ever top tennis for me but Pickleball is a fun game. I'm not on a soap box for Pickleball but as a teaching pro its better to stay ahead of the curve! Plus it's another potential income source and in my opinion a way to bring people to tennis.
Those were my exact thoughts! I just don't like people talking trash about a game that they've never played, and have probably seen very little of. I recently returned from a tennis teaching conference, and Pickleball was a hot topic as always.
 

Geoff

Hall of Fame
Those were my exact thoughts! I just don't like people talking trash about a game that they've never played, and have probably seen very little of. I recently returned from a tennis teaching conference, and Pickleball was a hot topic as always.
At the recent USPTA Southern conference Pickleball certification was offered the last day. 20 of us went through the certification.
 

thehustler

Semi-Pro
With the court being so small I can see the reason. Hard to hit a winning lob. I changed my perception of Pickleball once I played. Nothing will ever top tennis for me but Pickleball is a fun game. I'm not on a soap box for Pickleball but as a teaching pro its better to stay ahead of the curve! Plus it's another potential income source and in my opinion a way to bring people to tennis.
Yeah I doubt if the 'core' group of people are 55+ are going to learn pickleball and then switch to tennis. Something that requires 0 movement and 0 learning curve to something that requires a whole lot more.
 

thehustler

Semi-Pro
Those were my exact thoughts! I just don't like people talking trash about a game that they've never played, and have probably seen very little of. I recently returned from a tennis teaching conference, and Pickleball was a hot topic as always.
I'm pretty sure I played it in PE in high school years ago. Not much memory of it though. I do remember playing badminton though, I did enjoy that. Dove around like crazy trying to get that birdie (Yes I know what it's really called). I see it all the time at the courts I play tennis at. 0 movement, people older than me. Basically you're playing on 1/4 of a tennis court and using 1/2 of it. Doesn't excite me at all. Not really talking trash, just giving my honest opinion of a game I don't really want to play and that annoys me as taking up space on tennis courts that were designed for tennis first.
 

shazbot

Semi-Pro
Those were my exact thoughts! I just don't like people talking trash about a game that they've never played, and have probably seen very little of. I recently returned from a tennis teaching conference, and Pickleball was a hot topic as always.
I wouldn't say I talk trash about it either, if it's getting people outside and exercising it's a great thing.

And like thehustler said, I am not a fan of them taking over tennis courts to play, specifically public courts that do NOT have the lines painted for pickleball.

From a personal stand point, I am just not a fan of sports/activities that pretty much have no learning curve.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
With the court being so small I can see the reason. Hard to hit a winning lob. I changed my perception of Pickleball once I played. Nothing will ever top tennis for me but Pickleball is a fun game. I'm not on a soap box for Pickleball but as a teaching pro its better to stay ahead of the curve! Plus it's another potential income source and in my opinion a way to bring people to tennis.
Your renowned stringing and racket customization abilities might be wasted in pickleball though!

The paddle shall be made of relatively rigid, non-compressible material meeting the specifications of the “Paddle Material Specifications” document on the IFP website.

2.E.2. Surface. The paddle hitting surface shall not contain holes, indentations, rough texturing, tape, or any objects or features that allow a player to impart additional spin on the ball.


2.E.5. Alterations. The only alterations that can be made to a commercial paddle are changes to the grip, adding an edge guard, and adding name decals and/or other identification markings on the paddle face. These decals/markings can extend no farther than 1" (25.4 mm) above the top of the handle nor more than 1/2" (12.7 mm) from the outer edge of a paddle, or paddle edge guard if in place.

http://www.yespickleball.com/pickleball-paddle-specifications.html
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
That's like telling a tennis player they can't volley inside the service box. What a waste.
It's more like telling a ping pong player they can't volley.

Or maybe like saying you can't take a charge in basketball in the restricted area.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
I looked into some videos of "essential" shots for pickle ball, and if there aren't restrictions on the surface material of the paddles, there definitely will be soon. If you could get something like the sticky rubber on quality table tennis paddles for pickleball, and hit that wiffleball with one of those paddles and "extreme" brush for spin generation (side, slice, or top), that ball will move through the air dramatically differently. I am not familiar enough with the specifics of it to be able to predict how much the ball will bounce differently... but it surely would have big impact.

*edit* OK I see that there are specific rules for the paddle surface. Here's an excerpt dealing with my question specifically.

https://www.usapa.org/docs/ifp/USAPA-Rulebook.pdf
Good question though. The right rubber / paddle combination is pretty important in ping pong based on your particular style of play and skill level. I demoed a bunch of stuff one day. It was pretty interesting.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Good question though. The right rubber / paddle combination is pretty important in ping pong based on your particular style of play and skill level. I demoed a bunch of stuff one day. It was pretty interesting.
Oh that is an encyclopedic topic on its own. Number of plies, wood vs graphite plies, different rubbers for spin and speed, different rubbers on each side, pips in and pips out, anti-spin rubber, glues applied to rubber, thickness of rubber etc.
 

MathGeek

Hall of Fame
Only thing worse than Pickleball is E-sports.
Dunno. I have lots of overweight, diabetic, sedentary folks among my extended friends and family. Can you say "couch potato"? Some of my other recreational activities are shooting and mini-golf. For a while, I was bowling a lot when my teen sons went through a brief phase where they liked laser tag at the local bowling alley. I also enjoyed the archery and tennis competitions at our local senior games.

My point is that I've observed lots and lots of "sports" with even less physical challenge than pickleball. And some even make sense for those 80+ year olds at the senior games. If your physical limit is shooting free throws or throwing a football a short distance through a hoola-hoop, then God bless you for getting off the couch and doing that. There was only one 80+ man signed up for tennis at our local senior games, and I played him in the necessary consolation match required for him to be awarded a medal. He was excellent for his age, and I hope I can do that well at 80+ years old. But I certainly don't blame other senior games competitors for choosing different sports.

On the whole, stuff like bowling, mini-golf, and pickleball are suboptimal when we're talking about overweight guys in their 20s-40s pretending to be athletes when their real version of "fitness" is usually closer to "fittin' this" whole double bacon cheeseburger into their mouths. The shooting sports run the gamut: some of the action pistol and action rifle events are dominated by guys with impressive fitness levels. Other more "accuracy" focused events (less time pressure) are more likely to be dominated by overweight couch potatoes.

I'm sure more than one player has loathed my pushing and junkballing style of tennis and would be happy to see me "graduate" to the pickleball courts. At the same time, my healthcare providers are beginning to worry about the impact my joints take in tennis and are encouraging me to begin thinking about lower impact sporting pursuits. Will pickleball be one of them? Prolly not. It is not appealing to me. But I will be looking for another physical sport in addition to mountain biking. I would not criticize someone who shifted from tennis to pickleball to postpone or eliminate the need for a hip or knee replacement. Another decade of tennis at my current rate and I'd probably need a new hip. No thanks.
 
I don't have anything against Pickleball except for the fact that it seems they're taking over tennis courts rather than having their own space created, particularly for indoor tennis clubs where there is demand for both.

The 'kitchen' rule doesn't really bother me. I like table tennis and badminton despite it being against the rules to volley in one and 'groundstroke' in the other. It's moreso the sound that can get irritating at times.
 

Geoff

Hall of Fame
Your renowned stringing and racket customization abilities might be wasted in pickleball though!

The paddle shall be made of relatively rigid, non-compressible material meeting the specifications of the “Paddle Material Specifications” document on the IFP website.

2.E.2. Surface. The paddle hitting surface shall not contain holes, indentations, rough texturing, tape, or any objects or features that allow a player to impart additional spin on the ball.


2.E.5. Alterations. The only alterations that can be made to a commercial paddle are changes to the grip, adding an edge guard, and adding name decals and/or other identification markings on the paddle face. These decals/markings can extend no farther than 1" (25.4 mm) above the top of the handle nor more than 1/2" (12.7 mm) from the outer edge of a paddle, or paddle edge guard if in place.

http://www.yespickleball.com/pickleball-paddle-specifications.html
Hello @sureshs I struggle with that at night!
 

joe sch

Legend
Oh that is an encyclopedic topic on its own. Number of plies, wood vs graphite plies, different rubbers for spin and speed, different rubbers on each side, pips in and pips out, anti-spin rubber, glues applied to rubber, thickness of rubber etc.
Sounds like you have played/play TT, got any video :)
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Sounds like you have played/play TT, got any video :)
TT, badminton, tennis done it all except Pball

Actually did that too. We had a demo day and I played for 5 minutes but couldn't understand the rules. Couldn't stand the impact sound or the lack of feel of the ball. Nor the constant bending down to pick it up.

I am used to the plush feel of strings or TT rubbers. I need to feel the ball dwell on the racket face.

To be fair, there is still the original form of table tennis which is played with a wood paddle with no rubber. It is called hard bat. That would be the closest to PBall.
 
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sureshs

Bionic Poster
Tennis goofed up massively by not marketing 10-and-under tennis with ROG balls as a game for seniors.
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
That's like telling a tennis player they can't volley inside the service box. What a waste.
What a concept, cannot cross the service line and enter The Phantom Zone. Seniors would never stop dropping....................................................shots
 
Ahaha that is ridiculous... If you want something easier than tennis go with this:



Europeans (I am one) are into Padel which is big... however it's light years different IMO. Its played with a tennis ball, the surface is usually artificial turf, the net is similar to tennis. The racquets are different and there are walls. It's a mixture of tennis and squash.

I tried it once and all I could think was to play again. It's addictive and super fun and FAST and tis a great workout for volleys and overheads

It takes a little while to get used to the mindset of not chasing the balls that get past you but after that is fun. The rules are the ball is in, as long it bounces first on the court and there is a little section on the sides as well that if it touches first during the serve it's considered you wint the point from the serve (I think can't remember) You can see that little section is about the first half length of the service box and instead of being the plexiglass is usually just chain link fence. Anything else is game
 
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The main reasons for obesity are long sedentary working hours and excess eating. Tennis vs pickleball is a minor issue here. In fact, these activities are often accompanied by more eating and drinking. Witness the "refreshments" brought by home league players for themselves and the opposing team. Chips, donuts, pizza, soda, beer are the staples. Better to skip tennis and take a walk instead.
I've played in one of those leagues for a long time. I've never liked that part of it (despite being a fat drink of water myself). I'd be fine if the home team just provided water, Gatorade, and maybe bananas. Worst is when I get assigned to bring sandwiches for 20+ people.
 

Cashman

Professional
They've been trying to get pickleball to take off for years in Australia, and it's never worked.

I suspect we just have too many options here. Croquet and lawn bowls are traditionally the sports people progress to when tennis or golf get too physically difficult. Younger people who don't like tennis gravitate to squash or badminton.
 
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Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
I've played in one of those leagues for a long time. I've never liked that part of it (despite being a fat drink of water myself). I'd be fine if the home team just provided water, Gatorade, and maybe bananas. Worst is when I get assigned to bring sandwiches for 20+ people.
Wait till they breakout the grill for burgers & brats.
 

Cawlin

Semi-Pro
Wait till they breakout the grill for burgers & brats.
Serving burgers and brats and/or sandwiches at a Saturday or Sunday tennis match is not making Americans fat. It's all the cheeseburgers, fries, and sodas during the week between rounds of Fortnite/Counterstrike/Minecraft plus all the endless hours of Neflix and chilling instead of getting off your butt and moving...
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
Serving burgers and brats and/or sandwiches at a Saturday or Sunday tennis match is not making Americans fat. It's all the cheeseburgers, fries, and sodas during the week between rounds of Fortnite/Counterstrike/Minecraft plus all the endless hours of Neflix and chilling instead of getting off your butt and moving...
Man, you killin' my training diet,
 

Moonarse

Semi-Pro
Sure, everyone would be instantly good at it, but in the end, how fun is it when any joe schmo can pick up the ball and be great?
You guys have a hard time swallowing that there are 100 times more Joe Schmo in the world than athletic learning curve dificulty lovers.

And Joe's just wanna have fun.

The one and only problem with Pickleball is that they use our court. Simple as that. And about that you are right to complain about it.

But about the level of dificulty and lack of talent needed, cmon, Let people have fun for christ sake. how would they perform on tennis?

I am pretty sure that the same guys that keep pounding on the lack of movement and the beginner skills that are required for playing pickleball are the same ones that would be complaining about Joe and his Joe friend occupying the court for playing the worst kind of tennis.

I, personally, find it painful to watch those "started to play at 50yo" kind of fellas/ladies play tennis my club. Specially when I couldn't get the court because of them. I think anything easier would suit them better and they would have a lot more fun.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
The one and only problem with Pickleball is that they use our court.
There are more issues than just lines on a tennis court. They also will start sucking resources away from tennis (new facilities, coaches and clinics, tournaments). It's another case of boomers sucking more stuff away from the younger generation rather than giving back.

When you have to start driving 1 hr to find a tennis court facility because everything is now a pickle ball court, you'll maybe start being a bit more concerned about this lame "sport".
 

shazbot

Semi-Pro
You guys have a hard time swallowing that there are 100 times more Joe Schmo in the world than athletic learning curve dificulty lovers.

And Joe's just wanna have fun.

The one and only problem with Pickleball is that they use our court. Simple as that. And about that you are right to complain about it.

But about the level of dificulty and lack of talent needed, cmon, Let people have fun for christ sake. how would they perform on tennis?

I am pretty sure that the same guys that keep pounding on the lack of movement and the beginner skills that are required for playing pickleball are the same ones that would be complaining about Joe and his Joe friend occupying the court for playing the worst kind of tennis.

I, personally, find it painful to watch those "started to play at 50yo" kind of fellas/ladies play tennis my club. Specially when I couldn't get the court because of them. I think anything easier would suit them better and they would have a lot more fun.
All I said was why I PERSONALLY don't like it. I'm just not a fan of any sport that has no learning curve. That does not mean others cannot enjoy it.
 

Cawlin

Semi-Pro
To be fair, it's not like Pickleball has NO learning curve whatsoever, it's just that relative to tennis, it seems considerably less - there is certainly more of a learning curve to Pickleball than there is to sitting on your couch. Anyone with reasonable proficiency in tennis will have considerably greater relative proficiency already with pickleball. Note: by "reasonable proficiency" I mean someone who AT LEAST knows enough tennis to have an idea of how much they don't know yet. We could sit and compare aspects of athleticism required for both sports until the cows come home, but none of that really matters. If more people like pickleball than tennis and "vote" with their respective dollars and leisure time efforts, then tennis will suffer even more than it has been already (at least in the US). There's not a lot that can be done about that except for us to try to be good ambassadors for our sport - and that means, among other things, creating an inclusive atmosphere.

This whole discussion reminds me of the snowboarding vs. skiing thing from 30ish years ago.

Getting down a mountain on skis was difficult to do. Getting down a mountain on a snowboard was considerably less difficult to do.
Playing tennis is difficult. Playing pickleball is considerably less difficult.

The one big difference in the skiing vs. snowboarding thing compared to tennis vs. pickleball is that while pickleball is easier, it also has a much lower ceiling for game variety and much less stylistic variance possible (due to necessary equipment and playing area limitations) than tennis does. This is not nearly the same case with snowboarding vs. skiing.

Anyway, I know this is a tennis forum and we're all reasonably passionate about tennis, but some of us are showing some of the elitism that contributes to people wanting to play tennis less and less over time.
 
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thehustler

Semi-Pro
To be fair, it's not like Pickleball has NO learning curve whatsoever, it's just that relative to tennis, it seems considerably less - there is certainly more of a learning curve to Pickleball than there is to sitting on your couch. Anyone with reasonable proficiency in tennis will have considerably greater relative proficiency already with pickleball. Note: by "reasonable proficiency" I mean someone who AT LEAST knows enough tennis to have an idea of how much they don't know yet. We could sit and compare aspects of athleticism required for both sports until the cows come home, but none of that really matters. If more people like pickleball than tennis and "vote" with their respective dollars and leisure time efforts, then tennis will suffer even more than it has been already (at least in the US). There's not a lot that can be done about that except for us to try to be good ambassadors for our sport - and that means, among other things, creating an inclusive atmosphere.

This whole discussion reminds me of the snowboarding vs. skiing thing from 30ish years ago.

Getting down a mountain on skis was difficult to do. Getting down a mountain on a snowboard was considerably less difficult to do.
Playing tennis is difficult. Playing pickleball is considerably less difficult.

The one big difference in the skiing vs. snowboarding thing compared to tennis vs. pickleball is that while pickleball is easier, it also has a much lower ceiling for game variety and much less stylistic variance possible (due to necessary equipment and playing area limitations) than tennis does. This is not nearly the same case with snowboarding vs. skiing.

Anyway, I know this is a tennis forum and we're all reasonably passionate about tennis, but some of us are showing some of the elitism that contributes to people wanting to play tennis less and less over time.
Yeah if people want to play pickleball that's fine. Just don't waste tennis courts for it. We have 1 pickleball court in our city and they might build some more now with the new community center that just broke ground. The extra lines on the tennis court are ugly and can throw you off at times, especially with the placement of them. Sometimes the sun gets your eye just right and you're not sure if a shot was wide or long because of the extra lines, or you accidentally wind up focusing on the wrong line, want to call a ball out and then realize it was the pickleball line and your opponent's shot was good. We have 4 tennis courts, or former tennis courts that the city/county didn't want to maintain, or they fought over who maintained them, so they took them down. Perfect place for pickleball. Someone maintain it, resurface it (tennis ball wouldn't bounce past your knee practically) and make it dedicated pickleball. That leaves the tennis courts to what they should be, tennis courts and not some sort of multipurpose crap.
 

Cawlin

Semi-Pro
Yeah if people want to play pickleball that's fine. Just don't waste tennis courts for it. We have 1 pickleball court in our city and they might build some more now with the new community center that just broke ground. The extra lines on the tennis court are ugly and can throw you off at times, especially with the placement of them. Sometimes the sun gets your eye just right and you're not sure if a shot was wide or long because of the extra lines, or you accidentally wind up focusing on the wrong line, want to call a ball out and then realize it was the pickleball line and your opponent's shot was good. We have 4 tennis courts, or former tennis courts that the city/county didn't want to maintain, or they fought over who maintained them, so they took them down. Perfect place for pickleball. Someone maintain it, resurface it (tennis ball wouldn't bounce past your knee practically) and make it dedicated pickleball. That leaves the tennis courts to what they should be, tennis courts and not some sort of multipurpose crap.
I promise you, I feel you on this... but... can we really devote our internet arguing time to the workings of municipal governments? ;) Just kidding... but yeah, what can be done?

I personally would like to see the pickleballers just get new courts built to properly house their necessary dimensions - it drives me nuts to see pickleball lines and quickstart lines and regular tennis lines all on one tennis court. When they say "but you can put in twice as many pickleball courts as tennis courts, so it's more land efficient!" that only works if you don't take up an entire tennis court to put a half size pickleball court on it...

If it came down to it, and your municipality had let's say 4 public tennis courts not being used at capacity, would you be willing to have them erase one of those tennis courts, and rebuild it into two pickleball courts just to keep the extra lines off the tennis courts? I'd call that a pretty good trade, assuming tennis courts were not being used to capacity.

In such a case, you could have up to 12 tennis players and up to 8 pickleballers playing at one time (accommodating as many as 20 people at a time) where with dual lined tennis courts, you could only handle up to a maximum of 16 people at a time.
 

joe sch

Legend
TT, badminton, tennis done it all except Pball

Actually did that too. We had a demo day and I played for 5 minutes but couldn't understand the rules. Couldn't stand the impact sound or the lack of feel of the ball. Nor the constant bending down to pick it up.

I am used to the plush feel of strings or TT rubbers. I need to feel the ball dwell on the racket face.

To be fair, there is still the original form of table tennis which is played with a wood paddle with no rubber. It is called hard bat. That would be the closest to PBall.
Agree and with the classic TT hard bats were still more fun and challenging IMO than PBall, which I think is just a way to get more old folks out moving and socializing, unfortunately at the expense of tennis courts.
 
The Pickeballers are Coming

Listen my children
And I will holler
About the pending arrival
Of the Pickleballer

Their numbers are legion
The hordes only grow
The tennistas decline
And cannot stem the flow

The sound of the shot
Is like a clock that is ticking
Counting down the time
Of the tennistas, thinking

"What an odd game!
How quaint! How droll!"
Realizing too late
On tennis its toll.

Say what you will
About the Pickleballers many
Their group is a dollar
To the tennistas penny.
 
Wait till they breakout the grill for burgers & brats.
Ok I admit I don't mind that. A few weeks ago at an away match one of our opponents was a chef and he grilled probably the best burger I've ever had in my life. They also provided a Bloody Mary bar. The problem there was my opponent was a sandbagger and despite drinking 5 or 6 beers during the match he beat us handily with his old dad as a partner. He looked and served just like a chubby Pete Sampras. His mom actually got in his face after the match about his drinking. Pretty funny.
 
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