Pickleball is spreading

rabidranger

Rookie
I just came across this thread and as someone who plays both tennis and pickleball regularly I find it amusing. It reminds me of the debates I used to have about ice/roller hockey. There is a place for both. While I can still compete at a decent level in tennis it's nice to know there is another option for people (in particular seniors) who simply can't play tennis anymore. Pickleball is a fun game that is accessible to ANYONE. It can be super competitive when played with higher level people. Anything that get more people out to get active and have fun is great in my book.
 

tennisluvr

New User
Had a secondhand run-in with some pickleballers this weekend. We already had a court, but the court next to us had one guy waiting for his hitting partner to arrive. Some pickleballer went up to him and asked for the court, and started to heckle him when the guy on the court told him that his hitting partner was almost there. We overheard the conversation from the next court over, he said "Did you reserve this court, is that what you're saying? This is a public park and you think you can reserve a court?" He eventually left, but it still left a bad taste in my mouth even though it didn't happen to us directly.

There's a very clear sign posted on the outside of the tennis courts that reads "Tennis courts are for tennis play only". I've never had to point it out before, but perhaps I should start doing so.
 
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Ruark

Professional
Pickleball is a fun game that is accessible to ANYONE. It can be super competitive when played with higher level people. Anything that get more people out to get active and have fun is great in my book.
Why is it fun? Because you said so? I don't think it's fun. Does that mean it's not fun? Each to his own.
 

Frankc

Professional
I just came across this thread and as someone who plays both tennis and pickleball regularly I find it amusing. It reminds me of the debates I used to have about ice/roller hockey. There is a place for both. While I can still compete at a decent level in tennis it's nice to know there is another option for people (in particular seniors) who simply can't play tennis anymore. Pickleball is a fun game that is accessible to ANYONE. It can be super competitive when played with higher level people. Anything that get more people out to get active and have fun is great in my book.
Well, you may have just come across this thread, but try reading it. A central message is the loss and impairment of tennis facilities at the direct expense of this "fun" activity for a narrow demographic group. You may find that amusing, but if you were the target of these large, website generated gatherings, your tune would change.
Truth in the suburban area where I live: 1) There is a very large population of seniors looking for fun and gatherings; 2) Public tennis courts, that are already packed on weekends and evening, have now lost a percentage of courts to permanent PB and also a number of courts to brightly lined PB distractions; 3) One local facility that was tennis for decades now, has not a court without bright PB lines and the only reservations that are allowed are PB reservations; 4) The other unimpaired courts often have tapes left in place by PBs after their sessions; 5) Tennis is an established sport for all ages and families, all demographic groups. Our courts here were packed before these changes - now, it is just ugly and wrong...
If you have left tennis at this point, would you deny young people the chance to learn, improve, and enjoy this athletic game? At the courts all the time, we all smile at the youth and families that enjoy the game.
Lastly, at our courts, several players are well with their eighties. They play because of determination, love of new skills, a desire to stay "fit" and active...
Why is a game that takes pride in fitness and building skills not to be admired?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Someone told me this weekend that her elderly neighbor has purchased a croquet set and invited everyone to play on their lawn. He is now going to arrange a formal Meetup, this time for Bocce Ball.
A player at my club fell backwards chasing a lob and had surgeries and quit the game. He was 78.
Many casual tennis players have given up tennis after being stalled at a 3.0 level and being shunned by others.
Many older players can no longer serve overhand and feel ashamed.
Many of them can no longer play singles either and dodge those invitations.

Pickleball is going to be their sport. Less expensive than tennis (no stringing), less expensive than golf, more social, and a much lower learning curve.

Larry Ellison is hosting the Pickleball Nationals at Indian Wells at the same time as the tennis tournament.
 

chatt_town

Hall of Fame
It seems that even pickleball ball machines have arrived in the market!

And new pickleball-specific court surfaces!
Tell me about it. We arrived to play city finals and were told to park at the bottom because of pickle ball players were having something at Sandy Springs. I'm still trying to figure out why. What made them so damn important that Tennis people needed to park in the back...why not just leave it fcfs and once the top fills up, the rest park at the bottom. It's that kind of stuff that is going to make Tennis players resent pickle ball players. I'm all for a new sport for people that want to play, but tennis people park in the back? Reminds me of a time I don't want to go back to.
 

chatt_town

Hall of Fame
It's very well organized, a wooden paddel is $5, middle aged players are treated with dignity.
USTA will be totally eclipsed in 5 years time.
It probably will be eclipsed but it won't be because of pickle ball. It will be because of their own doing or lack thereof.
 

Frankc

Professional
Someone told me this weekend that her elderly neighbor has purchased a croquet set and invited everyone to play on their lawn. He is now going to arrange a formal Meetup, this time for Bocce Ball.
A player at my club fell backwards chasing a lob and had surgeries and quit the game. He was 78.
Many casual tennis players have given up tennis after being stalled at a 3.0 level and being shunned by others.
Many older players can no longer serve overhand and feel ashamed.
Many of them can no longer play singles either and dodge those invitations.

Pickleball is going to be their sport. Less expensive than tennis (no stringing), less expensive than golf, more social, and a much lower learning curve.

Larry Ellison is hosting the Pickleball Nationals at Indian Wells at the same time as the tennis tournament.
The cruelty of time attacks each of us. I am sure that everyone, all tennis players and others, would applaud those above for their efforts to stay active and find a rewarding activity. No doubt, to be admired...
For me, the line is where some individuals "knowingly take" established limited resources from others, especially athletic individuals and youth and families. "Knowingly reducing" athletic resources for others when you "cannot do anymore " is not to be applauded. Yet that is exactly what is happening here...
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
The cruelty of time attacks each of us. I am sure that everyone, all tennis players and others, would applaud those above for their efforts to stay active and find a rewarding activity. No doubt, to be admired...
For me, the line is where some individuals "knowingly take" established limited resources from others, especially athletic individuals and youth and families. "Knowingly reducing" athletic resources for others when you "cannot do anymore " is not to be applauded. Yet that is exactly what is happening here...
Why are youth and families more important than older people? The world is trending to an older demographic.
 

rabidranger

Rookie
Had a secondhand run-in with some pickleballers this weekend. We already had a court, but the court next to us had one guy waiting for his hitting partner to arrive. Some pickleballer went up to him and asked for the court, and started to heckle him when the guy on the court told him that his hitting partner was almost there. We overheard the conversation from the next court over, he said "Did you reserve this court, is that what you're saying? This is a public park and you think you can reserve a court?" He eventually left, but it still left a bad taste in my mouth even though it didn't happen to us directly.

There's a very clear sign posted on the outside of the tennis courts that reads "Tennis courts are for tennis play only", so it angers me that pickleballers would even have the gall to pull off stunts like this. Why can't they go play their pickleball somewhere else? They can set up one of their portable pickeball nets/lines on the basketball court, or on any concrete area that's big enough. Why do they have to come after our tennis courts?
I like how this is turning into the Jets and the Sharks. LOL. So, it's okay to pla
Why is it fun? Because you said so? I don't think it's fun. Does that mean it's not fun? Each to his own.
Okay-great. It's fun for a lot of people. Not you.
 

rabidranger

Rookie
Well, you may have just come across this thread, but try reading it. A central message is the loss and impairment of tennis facilities at the direct expense of this "fun" activity for a narrow demographic group. You may find that amusing, but if you were the target of these large, website generated gatherings, your tune would change.
Truth in the suburban area where I live: 1) There is a very large population of seniors looking for fun and gatherings; 2) Public tennis courts, that are already packed on weekends and evening, have now lost a percentage of courts to permanent PB and also a number of courts to brightly lined PB distractions; 3) One local facility that was tennis for decades now, has not a court without bright PB lines and the only reservations that are allowed are PB reservations; 4) The other unimpaired courts often have tapes left in place by PBs after their sessions; 5) Tennis is an established sport for all ages and families, all demographic groups. Our courts here were packed before these changes - now, it is just ugly and wrong...
If you have left tennis at this point, would you deny young people the chance to learn, improve, and enjoy this athletic game? At the courts all the time, we all smile at the youth and families that enjoy the game.
Lastly, at our courts, several players are well with their eighties. They play because of determination, love of new skills, a desire to stay "fit" and active...
Why is a game that takes pride in fitness and building skills not to be admired?
I did read the read and I'm not discounting your perspective. Where I live outdoor tennis courts are not as frequently used as they used to be and most aren't full, even on the weekends. Pickleball utilizing some of those courts isn't a big deal to me but I can see how that would be a concern in some places. I just think there is room for both and it's way to have some fun and get some exercise for those that can't or don't want to play other sports.
 

DeeeFoo

Rookie
I just came across this thread and as someone who plays both tennis and pickleball regularly I find it amusing. It reminds me of the debates I used to have about ice/roller hockey. There is a place for both. While I can still compete at a decent level in tennis it's nice to know there is another option for people (in particular seniors) who simply can't play tennis anymore. Pickleball is a fun game that is accessible to ANYONE. It can be super competitive when played with higher level people. Anything that get more people out to get active and have fun is great in my book.
I don't think anyone genuinely has a problem with the sport of pickleball, nor do we care about which is the superior/real sport. I'm sure it's fun for the people who play it, and it's nice that it's an option for an older demographic. Most of our grievances are of a territorial nature. If pickleball had its own dedicated courts (without converting tennis courts) and pickleballers and tennis players didn't have to share courts, you wouldn't hear a peep out of either one about the other.
 
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sureshs

Bionic Poster
I don't think anyone genuinely has a problem with the sport of pickleball, nor do we care about which is the superior/real sport. I'm sure it's fun for the people who play it, and it's nice that it's an option for an older demographic. Most of our grievances are of a territorial nature. If pickleball had its own dedicated courts (without converting tennis courts) and pickleballers and tennis players didn't have to share courts, you wouldn't hear a peep out of either one about the other.
The ultimate arbitrators are demand and real estate cost.
 

SumYungGai

Semi-Pro
Everything always favors the casual crowds, and pickleball is the new shining example. Tennis is too hard for most, so they'll pick up an easier thing. The only thing I don't like is having to raise the nets every single time I hit.
 

tennis4me

Hall of Fame
Several facts with pickleball:
  • Everything you hit is a frameshot. So, no need to apologize.
  • Moonballs give people less trouble since it won't bounce as high. Besides, most people will smash it instead of letting it bounce.
 

SteveI

Legend
Showcasing one 14 year old does not prove a thing - as you know, one individual case does not represent a situation.... She will do very well though, $ wise, as it is important that PB be marketed and legitimized as a "real" Sport. There is real gold in those hills, the boomer & retired demographics. Make them feel that this social activity of no/little movement and a low threshold of skills is a real sport. Then, be sure and rake in on the sports clothing - real gold in that demographic group... Of course, PB is a real sport, of course it is...
Heck, maybe Anna can endorse a line of lawn chairs and coolers - those items are really in evidence here with PB crowds... (Sorry no youth at all here.)
Yes.. there are many lawn chairs and coolers to be sure around the PB courts. Would someone really buy PB shoes and PB clothing? I get the bags.. as they are designed for PB rackets. One the other hand.. a standard Walmart backpack would. PB does have a place for sure, just not with me. I do love watching PB singles.. that is a kick ass workout and takes much more skill. Great social game and keeps folks moving and active.
 
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SteveI

Legend
I wonder if the high number injuries your knee surgeon sees in pickle ball is due to the fact that it seems more seniors are picking up the sport of pickleball, as opposed to tennis? I know the senior centers around here set up pickle ball courts on gym floors.
very possible...
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Pickleball has democratized sports. With a low barrier to entry in terms of skills, fitness, age, cost and real estate, it has brought sports within everyone's reach. Only table tennis is more convenient, but it cannot be played outdoors. Badminton requires more space and cannot be played outside in any serious fashion due to the wind. Supposedly cheaper sports like soccer still require more space and more people to make them interesting, and do not encourage a wide variety of physical movements.

I see Pickleball taking over the world.
 

BlueB

Legend
Today I've learned that 2 of the 3 nearby tennis courts have now been proclaimed into pickleball only :(
All 3 have recently been painted with the pickle lines, but now this crap !?*#$! What the hell makes them special? It's everyone's park and they were welcomed to the tennis courts, yet it wasn't enough?
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
I don't think anyone would have an issue with pickle ball if it wasn't taking courts away from tennis or putting distracting lines on tennis courts. Or sounded less like horses trotting on cobblestone.

Fix those things and all the angst goes away. Then it just becomes outdoor ping pong for old people. And we are all fine with granny getting out playing a game. It's a step up from shuffleboard, lawn bowling and bocce.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
I don't think anyone would have an issue with pickle ball if it wasn't taking courts away from tennis or putting distracting lines on tennis courts. Or sounded less like horses trotting on cobblestone.

Fix those things and all the angst goes away. Then it just becomes outdoor ping pong for old people. And we are all fine with granny getting out playing a game. It's a step up from shuffleboard, lawn bowling and bocce.
Forgot horseshoes
 

BTURNER

Legend
One thing I don't get about PBall is that there is no way to pick up the ball without bending. Though that is a good exercise all by itself, several senior citizens have dizziness problems if they have to keep bending repeatedly. Apart from that, it is no fun to do so.
You have to sharpen the balls of your walker to a point, pierce it super hard and fast, then turn it over.
 

philxor

New User
My courts nearby do have a couple with lines, but I've never seen anyone play pickleball there. I did recently see where another local location turned some number of tennis courts into pickleball courts. They are going to build or convert to whatever is popular.

Locally a developer is planning to turn an old deserted Kohls department store into a Pickleball complex with 12 indoor and 8 outdoor courts, but also will have restaurants and a ping pong facility as well. My guess is that may help attract people there instead of local courts. It's can be a fun game, but I still enjoy tennis a lot more.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Our town has dedicated pickleball courts and indoor basketball courts used for pickleball from 9am till 12noon. Still not as prevalent as Racquetball/Handball/Squash locally despite all these Boomers
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I am at a renowned tennis resort here for the first time since Covid to see what's new. Only change is a new sign pointing to newly constructed Pickleball courts
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
and Cornhole..LOL
Have two homemade in wood shop by my granddaughters cornhole boards ready for my great-granddaughter's 1st toss.

She got a chance to see Fam in bumpercars action last night. Could hear her screaming till we left at closing.
 
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sureshs

Bionic Poster
How bad is Sickleball noise? Yesterday at the Dimitrov-Ruud match I made the following observation. Imagine D and R playing on the longitudinal axis of the court. Behind D were the Stadium Court bleachers packed with spectators. Behind the bleachers was another tennis court longitudinally placed. Behind that was the Sickleball area where a few kids were playing. The sound from the kid's Sickleballs could be heard in the Stadium Court over the ball bounce and impact sound of pro tennis.
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm sure most things at higher levels are a decent workout. But since we're amateurs and hang around amateurs and see other amateurs playing sports we see it a certain way. I watch amateurs play basketball, it looks fun and something I want to play (I have played a lot of bball). Soccer, sure, not my thing, but looks fun at the hack/amateur level. Tennis? Definitely. Pickleball? Barely moving? Dinking? That awful noise?
I found it more tiring and harder on my legs than tennis doubles.
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
One thing I don't get about PBall is that there is no way to pick up the ball without bending. Though that is a good exercise all by itself, several senior citizens have dizziness problems if they have to keep bending repeatedly. Apart from that, it is no fun to do so.
 

atatu

Legend
He's right though, it is killing tennis at least in the US. The fact that the USTA is now embracing PB is just going to kill tennis even faster. Tennis will be about as popular as squash or racquetball in the near future and the USTA will have a hand in that.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Have 6 new lit pickleball courts replacing old tennis courts. May soon have more pickleball than tennis courts,
 

schmke

Hall of Fame
He's right though, it is killing tennis at least in the US. The fact that the USTA is now embracing PB is just going to kill tennis even faster. Tennis will be about as popular as squash or racquetball in the near future and the USTA will have a hand in that.
Well, the National Campus has pickleball courts and is hosting tournaments and events there:

 

treo

Semi-Pro
Hidden from view from tennis players is a pickleball breeding ground. Indoor pickleball played at your local YMCA, rec center and church. There they learn the game, become addicted and spread to the outside world, looking to take over tennis courts.
 
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