Pickleball is spreading

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
Ok I admit I don't mind that. A few weeks ago at an away match one of our opponents was a chef and he grilled probably the best burger I've ever had in my life. They also provided a Bloody Mary bar. The problem there was my opponent was a sandbagger and despite drinking 5 or 6 beers during the match he beat us handily with his old dad as a partner. He looked and served just like a chubby Pete Sampras. His mom actually got in his face after the match about his drinking. Pretty funny.
And his Dad did not have his back?
 

thehustler

Semi-Pro
I promise you, I feel you on this... but... can we really devote our internet arguing time to the workings of municipal governments? ;) Just kidding... but yeah, what can be done?

I personally would like to see the pickleballers just get new courts built to properly house their necessary dimensions - it drives me nuts to see pickleball lines and quickstart lines and regular tennis lines all on one tennis court. When they say "but you can put in twice as many pickleball courts as tennis courts, so it's more land efficient!" that only works if you don't take up an entire tennis court to put a half size pickleball court on it...

If it came down to it, and your municipality had let's say 4 public tennis courts not being used at capacity, would you be willing to have them erase one of those tennis courts, and rebuild it into two pickleball courts just to keep the extra lines off the tennis courts? I'd call that a pretty good trade, assuming tennis courts were not being used to capacity.

In such a case, you could have up to 12 tennis players and up to 8 pickleballers playing at one time (accommodating as many as 20 people at a time) where with dual lined tennis courts, you could only handle up to a maximum of 16 people at a time.
The tennis courts around here are in good use. If they took the ones they tore down and changed them to pickleball courts it'd be great. They could all go there, there'd be whatever, 100 courts or whatever it is in the space of 4 tennis courts. We'd get our courts back, those ugly lines would go away and all would be right with the world.
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
Yes, tennis has been pickle'd like some sorry vegetable at a county fair. Next to something deep fried.

Oh well, we are cheering for Canadians tennis players and claim they are from North America.
Don't Hate, Pickledball tourney this weekend is charging $30 to register and $10 per event. Includes a Dri-fit Tee, and a meal at Twin Peaks, a Beaver Trap!

Btw,
 
And his Dad did not have his back?
Apparently not. Oh chubby Pete also threw his racquet at one point. It bounced off the court, over the low side fence, and our team captain (who was standing a good 15 feet off the court) had to practically dive out of the way of it. Quite an eventful day.
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
Apparently not. Oh chubby Pete also threw his racquet at one point. It bounced off the court, over the low side fence, and our team captain (who was standing a good 15 feet off the court) had to practically dive out of the way of it. Quite an eventful day.
At least y'all know who wears the big drawls in the family
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Hello boys and girls, I suddenly wondered if TW is in the Tickleball business.

THEY ARE!

On the top left of Equipment page, under Racket Brands, is a link for Tickleball, which takes you to https://www.totalpickleball.com/ , a partner of TW.

Why is the link so unobtrusive? Is it because of the macho guys on here who are terrified of Tickleball? I would suggest ignoring them and promote Tickleball prominently.
 

CHtennis

Rookie
I have played a fair amount of pickleball the last three years and here are my observations( a little background; 5.0 tennis player and still prefer tennis to pickleball, used to work for the USTA and am 38, have won a number of 4.5 and 5.0 pickleball tournaments):
- Pickleball is very easy to play if you are already a tennis player
- Pickleball is hard to play well, or at least there was a fair amount of learning what would work at the highest level, I enjoyed the learning of new strategies, it was fun to try and "solve"
- Pickleball is very inclusive, it has the feel of what my dad talked about tennis was in the 80's when you could just go to a park and find somebody to play with. If you go to pickleball courts and there are people playing they will be happy to play with you (usually, there are exceptions) even if you are not at their same level.
-There are no widespread leagues yet so there is more of a tournament atmosphere and you travel and play in a lot of age group divisions so that you are always competitive.
- Players are generally cheap about paying for court time and things, but not about buying paddles and sharing them.
- Some players have a lot of time to lobby for courts or converting tennis to pickleball courts (I personally would like them to keep the tennis courts because you can use them for both then) so that does happen more than possibly the participation warrants.
- The better you are at pickle the worse it can look, mediocre players will just rip groundstrokes at the net players and that can work to a certain level, but most high level play just sees people hitting soft balls into the kitchen until they can attack a high ball, so a lot of high level play just looks like people drop shotting each other back and forth until there is one hard volley.
- Pickleball is getting more and more popular, but it does feel like there is a ceiling at least at the professional level. I dont see it ever becoming as big as tennis at the pro level, but I could be wrong about that I guess. On the rec level though, it really is a good game for all levels, there is depth to it for the better players and it is fairly easy to pick up on the beginner end. It is a work out (I use muscle groups in Pickle that I dont really use in tennis) but not difficult for the older people.
- Singles is not as fun as doubles or tennis singles in my opinion. Some really like it, but for the most part pickle is played as doubles, I dont know if this is good or bad, but I do think it is another thing that holds back its pro/entertainment value.
- Pickleball is a fun game, I like it because there is depth to it (not as much as tennis probably) and it does incorporate racquet skills that I have developed over the years, as opposed to spikeball which I do find interesting but doesnt feel like it has the depth of pickle or tennis.
- Watching pickle is very different from playing it, if you have never played and say that looks boring without playing it you are not giving it a fair shot, I have enjoyed playing it and does not feel as slow as it looks at times and once I got to play it a good bit I was able to watch it better, not that I watch much pickle but still...
 

norcal

Hall of Fame
. Includes a Dri-fit Tee

Btw,
I would love to see the look on my friends' faces if I showed up sporting a pickleball shirt!


hitting soft balls into the kitchen until they can attack a high ball, so a lot of high level play just looks like people drop shotting each other back and forth until there is one hard volley.
I saw this on youtube, makes me think I would do ok since I have good touch around the net and like to play cat and mouse points.
 

thehustler

Semi-Pro
I have played a fair amount of pickleball the last three years and here are my observations( a little background; 5.0 tennis player and still prefer tennis to pickleball, used to work for the USTA and am 38, have won a number of 4.5 and 5.0 pickleball tournaments):
- Pickleball is very easy to play if you are already a tennis player
- Pickleball is hard to play well, or at least there was a fair amount of learning what would work at the highest level, I enjoyed the learning of new strategies, it was fun to try and "solve"
- Pickleball is very inclusive, it has the feel of what my dad talked about tennis was in the 80's when you could just go to a park and find somebody to play with. If you go to pickleball courts and there are people playing they will be happy to play with you (usually, there are exceptions) even if you are not at their same level.
-There are no widespread leagues yet so there is more of a tournament atmosphere and you travel and play in a lot of age group divisions so that you are always competitive.
- Players are generally cheap about paying for court time and things, but not about buying paddles and sharing them.
- Some players have a lot of time to lobby for courts or converting tennis to pickleball courts (I personally would like them to keep the tennis courts because you can use them for both then) so that does happen more than possibly the participation warrants.
- The better you are at pickle the worse it can look, mediocre players will just rip groundstrokes at the net players and that can work to a certain level, but most high level play just sees people hitting soft balls into the kitchen until they can attack a high ball, so a lot of high level play just looks like people drop shotting each other back and forth until there is one hard volley.
- Pickleball is getting more and more popular, but it does feel like there is a ceiling at least at the professional level. I dont see it ever becoming as big as tennis at the pro level, but I could be wrong about that I guess. On the rec level though, it really is a good game for all levels, there is depth to it for the better players and it is fairly easy to pick up on the beginner end. It is a work out (I use muscle groups in Pickle that I dont really use in tennis) but not difficult for the older people.
- Singles is not as fun as doubles or tennis singles in my opinion. Some really like it, but for the most part pickle is played as doubles, I dont know if this is good or bad, but I do think it is another thing that holds back its pro/entertainment value.
- Pickleball is a fun game, I like it because there is depth to it (not as much as tennis probably) and it does incorporate racquet skills that I have developed over the years, as opposed to spikeball which I do find interesting but doesnt feel like it has the depth of pickle or tennis.
- Watching pickle is very different from playing it, if you have never played and say that looks boring without playing it you are not giving it a fair shot, I have enjoyed playing it and does not feel as slow as it looks at times and once I got to play it a good bit I was able to watch it better, not that I watch much pickle but still...
What? An honest analysis by someone who's played it? Boo! That goes against the theme of the thread.
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
Is this the thing that Boomers are playing now? Maybe it reminds them of their racquetball days from the late 1970s
Played a version of racquetball with a needled-out ball and wooden paddles on a four-walled indoor court back then. Do not want to get clipped by a paddle
 

WhiteOut

Semi-Pro
- Watching pickle is very different from playing it, if you have never played and say that looks boring without playing it you are not giving it a fair shot, I have enjoyed playing it and does not feel as slow as it looks at times and once I got to play it a good bit I was able to watch it better, not that I watch much pickle but still...
You are correct -- as with many (all?) sports, playing is always more fun than watching...esp baseball imo...i'll pretty much play any type of game, anywhere, anytime...from cards to racing, you name it I've probably at least tried it (or some form of it). I've also played pickleball...not competitively, but just hitting. Basically it just felt like overgrown table tennis. Do i hate it? absolutely not...and encourage anyone to try it if they have not...so long as it does not screw up the tennis courts ('get off my lawn'). but to me it's more of a 'novelty' type of game...like darts, ping pong, stuff like that. to me it's more of a game versus a sport...but there's probably a decent chance when my knees are shot i'll be capping three pickle teams like i am now...

just realized i prolly just opened a whole new can o worms with that game v sport comment...
 

TennisDawg

Professional
I have read that the camaraderie is one of the main reasons for senior citizens to play pickleball. Tennis clubs are full of cliques and arrogant players who cheat and curse and pride themselves in talking trash.
Actually, the younger pickle players are a lot like tennis club cliques.
 

TennisDawg

Professional
One thing I don't get about PBall is that there is no way to pick up the ball without bending. Though that is a good exercise all by itself, several senior citizens have dizziness problems if they have to keep bending repeatedly. Apart from that, it is no fun to do so.
They do have pickle ball ball hoppers that can be used or should be used during match play.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
just realized i prolly just opened a whole new can o worms with that game v sport comment...
I was going to say the same thing that it was more a game than a sport.

It hovers that intersection between the two like golf, ping pong. It requires a little speed which separates it from the purer games like darts, lawn bowling, shuffle board.
 
Like a fast-moving virus; like a rash. Seriously, where I live in Illinois it was NOTHING 10 years ago and know it's all the rage - 14 park district courts which are the result of not refurbishing tennis courts and instead using that space for pickle. Big tournaments a lot of weekends. Out in Arizona, in my parents retirement community - there's always community debate on whether or not they should convert more tennis courts (they have a beautiful tennis facility) to pickle. And, to be honest, as much as I hate to see it, all of those tennis courts are not consistently used as they would be for pickle. Most people generally don't care about the change in use, but the ones who live close to the courts find the sound of pickle annoying so they might object.
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
Like a fast-moving virus; like a rash. Seriously, where I live in Illinois it was NOTHING 10 years ago and know it's all the rage - 14 park district courts which are the result of not refurbishing tennis courts and instead using that space for pickle. Big tournaments a lot of weekends. Out in Arizona, in my parents retirement community - there's always community debate on whether or not they should convert more tennis courts (they have a beautiful tennis facility) to pickle. And, to be honest, as much as I hate to see it, all of those tennis courts are not consistently used as they would be for pickle. Most people generally don't care about the change in use, but the ones who live close to the courts find the sound of pickle annoying so they might object.
Clackling of that plastic wiffleball is annoying. Maybe a green or red dot ball would be preferable. However, with over 200 old tennis courts sitting fallow...................................................Pickle may be the seed they need
 

MathGeek

Hall of Fame
I was going to say the same thing that it was more a game than a sport.

It hovers that intersection between the two like golf, ping pong. It requires a little speed which separates it from the purer games like darts, lawn bowling, shuffle board.
I'm sure lots of tt peeps would have considered my tennis match this afternoon more of a game than a sport. I had fun. I got some exercise. And odds are I'm gonna sleep with my opponent tonight. What's not to like?
 

Cashman

Professional
I have always had the opinion that a game becomes a sport at roughly the same point that someone pays to watch it.

My grandfather would have said "sport is what one's servants watch on television, game is what one shoots".
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Clackling of that plastic wiffleball is annoying
You'd think that the pickleball community would realize that the noise is a significant issue and then tried to work to fix this issue.
Re-design the whiffle ball to be less noisy. You can get whiffle ball characteristics from a softer rubber compound. Its 2019 for heaven's sake. We have that kind of technology. Given the balls last forever, a little effort in design seems appropriate.
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
You'd think that the pickleball community would realize that the noise is a significant issue and then tried to work to fix this issue.
Re-design the whiffle ball to be less noisy. You can get whiffle ball characteristics from a softer rubber compound. Its 2019 for heaven's sake. We have that kind of technology. Given the balls last forever, a little effort in design seems appropriate.
Quieter than before???
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
https://oakmontvillage.com/article/pickleball-sound-study-clears-the-way-for-erc-court-conversion/

On the morning of September 8, with six pickleball courts in use and 24 players, pickleball noise levels measured at the nearest property lines and patios/decks adjacent to the ERC ranged from 43 to 49 dB. Without noise from pickleball play, ambient levels were measured at 40-48 dB.

According to Mr. Lopez, the measured pickleball noise levels were well within compliance with the City of Santa Rosa residential standard, as even the loudest levels from pickleball play measured 6-7 dB below the city code requirements. Following his statement of the findings the audience erupted in applause.

There was some discussion of additional sound dampening features, such as adding acoustic panels to the PB court fences to further decrease the noise level, even though this would not be required to meet city standards.
 

Raul_SJ

Legend
According to Mr. Lopez, the measured pickleball noise levels were well within compliance with the City of Santa Rosa residential standard, as even the loudest levels from pickleball play measured 6-7 dB below the city code requirements. Following his statement of the findings the audience erupted in applause.

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It is not the decibel level per se. The sound itself is annoying. Like nails on a chalkboard.
:mad:(n)
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Can't they just buy an RV like their peer group?
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Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
there's a certain thrill in annoying rec tennis players, it's like discovering a new buffet restaurant but perhaps not quite as scintillating.
Can play NXT to any kinda noise except one.......................old guys playing Bocce, horseshoes, transister radidios, kids beginning classes, even wiffleballs. Could not handle, cannot play and hear a whistle. During shuffleboard, players blow a whistle. Even a siren never bothers me like a whistle.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Think of it this way: Once you are too old to play tennis, even doubles, pickleball will always welcome you. With your shortened vision perceptions and shortened mobility range, it will seem just like tennis to you. As your body and mind and the view of the world shrinks, pickleball will be the shrunk version of tennis, so you are playing the same sport, relatively speaking.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I have a great idea. Why don't tennis players occupy pickleball courts for their mini-tennis warmups?
 
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