Pickleball is spreading

sureshs

Bionic Poster
For those who don't know about Touch Tennis, its a sport gaining popularity in Europe but virtually unknown in the U.S.

Forget Pickelball. Touch Tennis will hopefully someday replace Pickelball as the racquet sport of choice for seniors. Someday when I'm in my 60's, I would MUCH rather play Touch Tennis than Pickelball.

As tennis players, we should do all we can to promote this sport before the abomination of Pickelball spreads like a disease.

It is too close to tennis. 10-and-under is basically the same thing.
 

Cashman

Professional
I imagine these wiffle-balls wouldn't bounce very well on carpet, grass or clay. That might limit the sport's growth potential outside the US.
 

TennisDawg

Professional
For those who don't know about Touch Tennis, its a sport gaining popularity in Europe but virtually unknown in the U.S.

Forget Pickelball. Touch Tennis will hopefully someday replace Pickelball as the racquet sport of choice for seniors. Someday when I'm in my 60's, I would MUCH rather play Touch Tennis than Pickelball.

As tennis players, we should do all we can to promote this sport before the abomination of Pickelball spreads like a disease.

Does it use a pickleball court as far as dimensions?
 
BTW, i'm not in any way saying this should replace tennis as a sport. But could be a good option for seniors who want a lower impact version of tennis.
 

mctennis

Hall of Fame
At the club I belong to they have a few days a week dedicated to indoor pickleball leagues ( I guess leagues or perhaps just drop in). It is so noisy on that side of the club you cannot hear the other team calling out the score. It gives me a headache just to be around that area when they play. I would NOT be interested in playing pickleball. I am not sure if it would be any less noisy outdoors with that many people hitting with a hard paddle. There were probably 3 courts being used out of 5 on that one side. We have 5 courts on one side, 5 on the other side and a reception area in between. The reception area has a wall with windows separating each side. WAY too noisy to play tennis on the same side as pickleball.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
But that's the point! Wouldn't you rather play a sport that's the same as tennis (same rules) instead of some lame paddle + wiffle ball thing?

At least you're using strung racquets and a bouncing ball.
My point is that 10 and under already exists in tennis.
 

TennisDawg

Professional
But that's the point! Wouldn't you rather play a sport that's the same as tennis (same rules) instead of some lame paddle + wiffle ball thing?

At least you're using strung racquets and a bouncing ball.
I like how the serve rules are like tennis except only one serve. Also no dinking, no non volley zone, no 2nd bounce rules and it can be played on a pickle court.
 
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WestboroChe

Hall of Fame
This is the worst. Remember when they wanted to make pole dancing a competitive sport ? Strippers thought it was great because they could keep their clothes on and win contests. Then some washed up gymnasts started showing up and dominating the competitions. Then real gymnasts started showing up to win the contests and people realized pole dancing is just watered down gymnastics. Pickle ball is like pole dancing.
Without the excitement.
 

WestboroChe

Hall of Fame
I was watching the national pickle ball championships on ESPN a while ago. I honestly cannot believe how unathletic these elite players were. Just the act of bouncing the ball with their paddle seemed a challenge to them and anything that wasn’t hit directly at them just seemed to be too much.

Really a pathetic sport. The only people who should be allowed to play that game are former tennis players who lost a leg or something.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
I was watching the national pickle ball championships on ESPN a while ago. I honestly cannot believe how unathletic these elite players were. Just the act of bouncing the ball with their paddle seemed a challenge to them and anything that wasn’t hit directly at them just seemed to be too much.

Really a pathetic sport. The only people who should be allowed to play that game are former tennis players who lost a leg or something.
It is an excellent alternative to shuffleboard and lawn bowling for the white haired crowd, but it is not an alternative to tennis.
 

WestboroChe

Hall of Fame
It is an excellent alternative to shuffleboard and lawn bowling for the white haired crowd, but it is not an alternative to tennis.
I can see that. But these were teenagers and fit adults looking like first year little league players and they are supposed to be the best in the nation.

Similarly I was watching court tennis and one of the players was similarly uncoordinated. Kept dropping the ball and couldn’t bounce it without it flying all over the place. I think I picked the wrong sport. I should have gone with something no one plays. I coulda been a contender!
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
I also saw some recent televised coverage. 4 men dinking a wiffle ball back and forth to each other, while standing behind a line. Occasionally someone would hit the ball up, and one of the others would spike a volley away to end the point. OoooooooOo. I couldn’t get over the tv announcers exclaiming about the high level of skill on display.

It kind of reminded me of a bit Jerry Seinfeld did about the luge:

“And it’s on the bobsled run. But it’s not even a sled. It’s just bob. It’s just a human being hanging on for dear life. This is the whole sport. Just, Ahhhhhh . . .! Look, he pointed his toes! This guy is a tremendous athlete.”
 

WestboroChe

Hall of Fame
I also saw some recent televised coverage. 4 men dinking a wiffle ball back and forth to each other, while standing behind a line. Occasionally someone would hit the ball up, and one of the others would spike a volley away to end the point. OoooooooOo. I couldn’t get over the tv announcers exclaiming about the high level of skill on display.

It kind of reminded me of a bit Jerry Seinfeld did about the luge:

“And it’s on the bobsled run. But it’s not even a sled. It’s just bob. It’s just a human being hanging on for dear life. This is the whole sport. Just, Ahhhhhh . . .! Look, he pointed his toes! This guy is a tremendous athlete.”
You don’t understand. He has to keep his toes pointed like that all the way down. It takes hours of training to be able to do that.
 

Mark Bosko

New User
Back to the original OP - Pickle ball is spreading - Pretty much undeniable whether you like the sport or not. I just noticed that, OMG, TW sells PB gear now!

One observation - you see a lot of older people playing PB but there are also a lot of younger people who don't the have patience do develop the basic skill set necessary to be able to enjoy tennis. The learning curve to enjoy PB at the recreational level is pretty low. They want instant gratification. Kind of like racquet ball, recreational hackers can enjoy the game almost instantly, gotta be able to move though.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Back to the original OP - Pickle ball is spreading - Pretty much undeniable whether you like the sport or not. I just noticed that, OMG, TW sells PB gear now!

One observation - you see a lot of older people playing PB but there are also a lot of younger people who don't the have patience do develop the basic skill set necessary to be able to enjoy tennis. The learning curve to enjoy PB at the recreational level is pretty low. They want instant gratification. Kind of like racquet ball, recreational hackers can enjoy the game almost instantly, gotta be able to move though.
https://www.totalpickleball.com/ is TW's PBall site
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Our club office has many part-time staff, usually teenagers, who monitor courts and take phone calls. This also serves as a community involvement activity since the club is part-public. I read in our newsletter now that these kids were treated to a "team building" activity in which they played a sport together for an hour.

Guess what the sport was? It was not tennis, which is even in the club's name.

The club is really pushing PBall and has allocated half of a day reservation for it on one court, but I heard that it is not popular with members. Perhaps this is another push. But the point is that the club officials, all of them tennis players, felt that learning PBall is so easy that it you can learn and play all in 1 hour, while tennis is unimaginable for this purpose.

Now I see this concept being extended to company picnics and "team-building" activities.

Here is a great idea for any entrepreneurs out there: Start a company which brings PBall to these corporate events.
 

Cawlin

Semi-Pro
I've been looking at this game even more recently since my earlier posts in this thread and I have to say that I just don't see the actual draw of it... I thought I might have seen it a few weeks back... but I don't. Much of that is about game play, the rest is about the people who are being loud squeaky wheels about it...

In the suburbs of Atlanta (which is basically Mecca for adult rec tennis) there are three types of people pushing for pickleball:

1) The Old Timer: these are people who are aging out of even being able to play doubles tennis, but still aren't so old that they can't do ANYTHING... they are looking to relive their ALTA glory days - and I have nothing but respect for them... they built Atlanta regional adult rec tennis to be what it is today, and if for no other reason than respectful homage, they should be accommodated.

2) The Inclusivist: this is the millennial crowd who are pushing for "inclusivity" in HOA and municipal resources - even though most of them know they will never ever set foot on one of the courts. These are the types also pushing for basketball hoops to be built into existing tennis courts along with multi-purpose nets that can be used for volleyball and badminton... :| this group also includes the hopelessly overweight/out of shape person who is sure that if there could only be ENOUGH "easy" "accessible" opportunities, for it, that they would put the remote down, skip the 14th cheeseburger that day, and get their fat a**es off the couch and go out and do a little exercise to help out with their glandular imbalance and get their metabolism back on track... they, like the millennials will never ever set foot on any of these freshly relined pickleball courts if they should ever get their wish. This group should go eat a bag of richards, deep fried for the fatties.

3) Mr. I'll be a champion at last: these are the youngish (30 something) dweebs who never had any athletic ability and never could "make the team" who now see pickleball as a large game of pingpong - this type of person sees nothing but septuagenarians playing pickleball at the local park and figures that's an opportunity for them to apply their elite basement ping pong skills to dominate the Geritol crowd... these people should go back to painting their miniature fantasy figurines in their mother's basements.


Either way, yes pickleball is spreading to the Atlanta suburbs, but it's not exactly getting much of a foothold around here. There is not enough interest in it yet to even come close to challenging the legions of ALTA and USTA tennis devotees.
 

thehustler

Semi-Pro
Recently they took over another one of our tennis courts with temporary lines for pickleball. It was for 'assessment'. Nevermind that they already had 6 pickleball courts, they needed to create 2 more to help people assess and learn pickleball. I can only imagine the questions:

Are you 55 or older?
Tired of moving?
Don't want to break a sweat but get 'exercise'?
Ok with a really annoying sound?

Yeesh. They now have signs up for lessons on certain days. I just don't get it. Stand still and dink dink dink dink until someone makes a mistake. I drove by the park on my way to work and it was packed with pickleballers. So many other courts they could resurface and use. There's old tennis courts the city/county didn't want to take care of and fought over who would take care of them. Pool your retirement money together and fix them up, but make them pickleball. There were 4 tennis courts, so they could probably get about 12 pickleball courts and then leave us tennis players alone.
 

Demented

Rookie
You need to watch real athletic tennis players play PB. Right now our 4.5/5.0 Pickleball league is dominated by 4.0/4.5 tennis players and the old people hate it. There's room in pickleball to hit real ground strokes at beginning of the point. Yes you end up in the kitchen a lot, dinking, waiting for a chance to start the slam session. Plus the tactics are still evolving. You're seeing way more topspin drives being used and topspin lobs out of the kitchen to make less athletic people pay. It's not tennis, but damn it's 97 degrees today and I don't want to go outside.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I drove by the park on my way to work and it was packed with pickleballers.
Then it is good. It means tennis is not the sport of a lifetime as was claimed for a long time. The idea of recreational sport is an activity which requires moderate physical effort but is not isolated and boring like Yoga or Gym. If tennis cannot deliver on this as people get older, it deserves to perish. Peoples' health is more important than emotional attachment to any sport.
 

thehustler

Semi-Pro
Then it is good. It means tennis is not the sport of a lifetime as was claimed for a long time. The idea of recreational sport is an activity which requires moderate physical effort but is not isolated and boring like Yoga or Gym. If tennis cannot deliver on this as people get older, it deserves to perish. Peoples' health is more important than emotional attachment to any sport.
Problem is that there's too many tennis players on these types of forums talking about stuff rather than being outside and playing tennis. When the pickleballers aren't taking over the courts get full and there's a wait.

I don't think bending over is moderate physical effort, but maybe I'm wrong.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Problem is that there's too many tennis players on these types of forums talking about stuff rather than being outside and playing tennis. When the pickleballers aren't taking over the courts get full and there's a wait.

I don't think bending over is moderate physical effort, but maybe I'm wrong.
Wonderful point. I had mentioned this before. Bending over repeatedly is not good for people with progressive lenses like me (causes blurring) and people with dizziness and balance issues. Picking up the ball like tennis without bending is the reason I prefer tennis. I do some bending exercises prior to play and that is enough for me.

Tennis lost a marvelous opportunity to market 10-and-under tennis to seniors.
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
Problem is that there's too many tennis players on these types of forums talking about stuff rather than being outside and playing tennis. When the pickleballers aren't taking over the courts get full and there's a wait.

I don't think bending over is moderate physical effort, but maybe I'm wrong.
Talkin' bout Hot Sauce? Wrasslin?
 

TennisDawg

Professional
You need to watch real athletic tennis players play PB. Right now our 4.5/5.0 Pickleball league is dominated by 4.0/4.5 tennis players and the old people hate it. There's room in pickleball to hit real ground strokes at beginning of the point. Yes you end up in the kitchen a lot, dinking, waiting for a chance to start the slam session. Plus the tactics are still evolving. You're seeing way more topspin drives being used and topspin lobs out of the kitchen to make less athletic people pay. It's not tennis, but damn it's 97 degrees today and I don't want to go outside.
I’d yet to see a real topspin drive/lob in pickleball. Sidespin yes but not real topspin.


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Demented

Rookie
I’d yet to see a real topspin drive/lob in pickleball. Sidespin yes but not real topspin.


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I bought a Cypher paddle from prolite..extended length tear drop with head weighting. I can fully bend the ball in the same manner as a tennis ball. It's not as effective though because bounce height isn't as positive of a factor. I tend to use it to hit hard drives and bend it below the top of the net.
 
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2ndServe

Hall of Fame
I bought a Cypher paddle from prolite..extended length tear drop with head weighting. I can fully bend the ball in the same manner as a tennis ball. It's not as effective though because bounce height isn't as positive of a factor. I tend to use it to hit hard drives and bend it below the top of the net.
Is this a legal paddle for tournament play, what's the max length for a pickleball paddle?
 

Demented

Rookie
Yes, it's legal. It's considered a singles paddle by pickle ball players because the sweet spot is much much further away from the handle(like instead of being at ~6 inches from the handle it's at nearly a 1 foot from the handle). The pickle ball paddle size/length is a maximum of 17 inches long and no more than a combined 24 total inches when width and height are added together. This extra length obviously allows for significantly increased leverage(2x!) and more head speed at the tip which appears to be enough to add a lot of rpms to the ball. I'd say that I'm approaching 4.0 using this style of play. I topspin drive every approach ball directly at one of the other players knees if they're in the kitchen and hope to get a popped up block. Against lower level players it's nearly a guaranteed point winner, against high level 4-4.5's it's maybe a 33% error creator and 66% they block/drop the ball back over the net and start the slow point that they want into the kitchen.
 

chatt_town

Hall of Fame
It's taken over two of our tennis courts at the park I can walk to from lunch. They have scheduled times they can use the courts and it's usually early enough that it doesn't affect my group that plays during lunch time. However starting today they're having lessons at the park from 8am to 1pm or so the sign says. That can take up all the courts at times, so I'll be interested to see what happens if the lessons are taking over all the courts and the pickleball players want to take over their two courts. I don't know who has precedence so it should be fun to watch.

I just can't stand watching them play. Barely any movement. Just lunging forward at the waist to get a ball. Ugh. And that sound, grr.

I saw it a couple of times...and then I heard about a tennis player here that weighs in at about 270 pounds that is getting endorsements to play. So I'll try it in another 15 to 20 years depending on how well I hold up for tennis, but right now it looks boring.
 

vsdtrek

Semi-Pro
While I love tennis, I can no longer play because of some pretty severe rotator cuff damage and surgeries. Enter pickleball. I definitely was a skeptical but now absolutely love playing. Admittedly, there can be hacks but the same thing happens in tennis. Just set up your own groups then. I play with a group of guys all about 40 - 60 and we get really competitive games going for 2 - 3 straight hours multiple times a week. Everyone definitely comes off the court with quite the workout. There really is more strategy with the no volley zone than you think and actually the game is getting a lot faster and more aggressive. Many points are much longer than tennis and even more wild because it takes a lot to put a shot away.

PS - Total Pickleball is an excellent site. Picked up a fantastic “used” paddle there because I knew it would be excellent just like TW rates frames.
 

tennytive

Professional
Anna Leigh Waters and William Sobek won the Mixed Doubles 5.0 19-49 Gold medal match at the 2019 US Open Pickleball Championships. She's 12, he's 14 and been playing for 10 years.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Anna Leigh Waters and William Sobek won the Mixed Doubles 5.0 19-49 Gold medal match at the 2019 US Open Pickleball Championships. She's 12, he's 14 and been playing for 10 years.
Two children and a fat woman are the pinnacle of 5.0 PB and get a match televised with a broadcast team. The insanity will never stop.
 

Demented

Rookie
The fat woman is likely a 4.0 or 4.5 being carried by the dude. Her volleys are just bad. The kids play some excellent ball, that's probably the ideal age/size. Maximum reaction time, lowest weight, highest flexibility. You can see after the first 10 points of the match, the kids identify that she's the weak link and just go after her. The kids also employ a lot more topspin drive balls than the other team. You can tell their style is more aggressive. I agree that getting a televised national match with a broadcaster is a bit much heh.
 

TennisDawg

Professional
Boring to watch. I can watch for 5 minutes. It’s the same pattern everytime. Dump into the kitchen and dink dink dink. PB doubles doesn’t require a lot of movement, the woman moves well enough.


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penpal

Semi-Pro
At my local public courts, the PBers slant the net strap to lower the net, then when they leave they don't put it back. This has had the effect of lowering the tension of the net and even if I move the net strap back to its proper placement (straight up and down), the net will no longer spring back up, and so the net strap just hangs there loosely. Unfortunately, at these public courts there is no easy way to adjust the net tension - though I'm going to look into tools/options.

For those who play PB, would it really be that big of a deal if the net height were the same for both tennis and PB? And if you do play PB, please at least straighten the net strap when you're done.
 
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