Pickleball is spreading

Cawlin

Semi-Pro
At my local public courts, the PBers slant the net strap to lower the net, then when they leave they don't put it back. This has had the effect of lowering the tension of the net and even if I move the net strap back to its proper placement (straight up and down), the net will no longer spring back up, and so the net strap just hangs there loosely. Unfortunately, at these public courts there is no easy way to adjust the net tension - though I'm going to look into tools/options.

For those who play PB, would it really be that big of a deal if the net height were the same for both tennis and PB? And if you do play PB, please at least straighten the net strap when you're done.
Often people maintaining courts will just take the cranks used to tighten the cable away and keep them so people don't mess with the nets - so you might be able to get yourself a tennis net crank and carry it with you... you should be able to get one for $30 or $40... but if they lock the mechanisms at the public courts like I've seen in some cases, this may be of little use to you...
 
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BH40love

Rookie
Might as well play touch tennis from the service box.
Listening to a group play pickleball is the absolute worse while playing or practicing tennis at the same facility.

Pickleball is for the baby boomers as I have yet to see someone under 55 playing
 

TennisDawg

Professional
Might as well play touch tennis from the service box.
Listening to a group play pickleball is the absolute worse while playing or practicing tennis at the same facility.

Pickleball is for the baby boomers as I have yet to see someone under 55 playing
I’m not a big fan of pickleball but I have to disagree that it’s only 55+ year olds. Just go be a spectator at a tournament and you’ll notice a lot of young people. Many have a tennis background. Whether we like it or not there’s a lot of excitement in pickleball. Yes I know it has a quick learning curve compared to tennis but it doesn’t matter people are jumping on board.


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SeeItHitIt

Semi-Pro
Ahh yes, Pickle is such a competitive sport, the IOC is considering it for the 2028 games. There will be brackets by age. The Gold for the over 75 group will have medals made of dried sponge as many of the competitors would have trouble biting the ‘real’ Gold medal. Can’t wait.
 

TennisDawg

Professional
I know you’re kidding Lol Pickkeball will not be an Olympic sport. It’s also boring to watch especially doubles. But, at the recreational level it’s attracting people of all ages, not just onesey twosey, but in herds. Again I’m not a fan of PB but that’s the trend, meanwhile tennis is fading out. I’m not sure of the reason. I dropped my USTA membership about 6 years ago, USTA Is obsolete IMO. I just recycle the magazine I have very little use for it that and tourney fees, goofy website etc.


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tennis4me

Hall of Fame
The pickle ball organization, if there's such thing, must be doing a better job at marketing/evangelizing the sport than our USTA. I even remember that catchy phrase, "The fastest growing sport ..." And I heard friends quoting the same phrase.

Just a few days ago, I even heard it mentioned in the Netflix original, "Orange Is the New Black"!
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
I know you’re kidding Lol Pickkeball will not be an Olympic sport. It’s also boring to watch especially doubles. But, at the recreational level it’s attracting people of all ages, not just onesey twosey, but in herds. Again I’m not a fan of PB but that’s the trend, meanwhile tennis is fading out. I’m not sure of the reason. I dropped my USTA membership about 6 years ago, USTA Is obsolete IMO. I just recycle the magazine I have very little use for it that and tourney fees, goofy website etc.


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I'm pretty sure its mostly just the US. I'm not sure what's wrong with the USTA folks in the states but Tennis is thriving in Europe, Canada and South America and you don't see much PB at all outside the US.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I'm pretty sure its mostly just the US. I'm not sure what's wrong with the USTA folks in the states but Tennis is thriving in Europe, Canada and South America and you don't see much PB at all outside the US.
Padel tennis is growing in Europe
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
Might as well play touch tennis from the service box.
Listening to a group play pickleball is the absolute worse while playing or practicing tennis at the same facility.

Pickleball is for the baby boomers as I have yet to see someone under 55 playing
I wore earplugs.........................................needed more protection,
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
This looks more interesting to me and fast-paced than pickle ball. Aka "platform tennis", I believe. But haven't seen any around - maybe East Coast.
It uses side fences like squash or racketball and so is more difficult to setup. Pickle is much easier and cheaper.
 

CHtennis

Rookie
The pickle ball organization, if there's such thing, must be doing a better job at marketing/evangelizing the sport than our USTA. I even remember that catchy phrase, "The fastest growing sport ..." And I heard friends quoting the same phrase.

Just a few days ago, I even heard it mentioned in the Netflix original, "Orange Is the New Black"!
The pickleball associations do very little and I believe why pickleball has been growing is that it is more accessible than other sports especially racquet sports. Most pickleball players will happily play with new players and explain the game to them while most tennis players would not. I tried to get my wife into tennis a couple of years ago and I called 5 tennis clubs to get information about where she would fit or what the best program would be. 1 out of the five called me back (this is after talking with the desk person and them assuring me someone would get back to us). I finally got her involved in a program appropriate for her level and she found the woman playing very cliquish and not welcoming. One bad experience does not mean a lot in the grand scheme of things but it was way harder than I assumed it would be and this comes from a former tennis pro and high level player. With pickleball we went to the park that people play at and she had a lot of fun playing with the people there and it was a much better experience. I do understand this is just anecdotal evidence but I think that most pickleball players want more people to play and grow the game, whilst most tennis players are happy with their group that they have found and dont feel the need to welcome in new players as much. This is from the culture of the games and I think the USAPA has little to nothing to do with the growth as they have done pretty much nothing in my area to help the growth of the game.
 

tennis4me

Hall of Fame
Makes sense. They did came up with a very catchy phrase that's probably got people curious enough to try it. Coupled with welcoming players, the rest we know.

But, I think the "demise" of tennis in US is exaggerated.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
The pickleball associations do very little and I believe why pickleball has been growing is that it is more accessible than other sports especially racquet sports. Most pickleball players will happily play with new players and explain the game to them while most tennis players would not. I tried to get my wife into tennis a couple of years ago and I called 5 tennis clubs to get information about where she would fit or what the best program would be. 1 out of the five called me back (this is after talking with the desk person and them assuring me someone would get back to us). I finally got her involved in a program appropriate for her level and she found the woman playing very cliquish and not welcoming. One bad experience does not mean a lot in the grand scheme of things but it was way harder than I assumed it would be and this comes from a former tennis pro and high level player. With pickleball we went to the park that people play at and she had a lot of fun playing with the people there and it was a much better experience. I do understand this is just anecdotal evidence but I think that most pickleball players want more people to play and grow the game, whilst most tennis players are happy with their group that they have found and dont feel the need to welcome in new players as much. This is from the culture of the games and I think the USAPA has little to nothing to do with the growth as they have done pretty much nothing in my area to help the growth of the game.
You have to take the friendliness with a pinch of salt for 2 reasons. Much of the Pickle crowd is older and hence more mellowed and friendly. And then Pickle IS easier to teach and learn. It is like the crowd which hangs out at the miserable table tennis table at certain sports bars and welcomes everyone to have a go.
 

atatu

Hall of Fame
The pickleball associations do very little and I believe why pickleball has been growing is that it is more accessible than other sports especially racquet sports. Most pickleball players will happily play with new players and explain the game to them while most tennis players would not. I tried to get my wife into tennis a couple of years ago and I called 5 tennis clubs to get information about where she would fit or what the best program would be. 1 out of the five called me back (this is after talking with the desk person and them assuring me someone would get back to us). I finally got her involved in a program appropriate for her level and she found the woman playing very cliquish and not welcoming. One bad experience does not mean a lot in the grand scheme of things but it was way harder than I assumed it would be and this comes from a former tennis pro and high level player. With pickleball we went to the park that people play at and she had a lot of fun playing with the people there and it was a much better experience. I do understand this is just anecdotal evidence but I think that most pickleball players want more people to play and grow the game, whilst most tennis players are happy with their group that they have found and dont feel the need to welcome in new players as much. This is from the culture of the games and I think the USAPA has little to nothing to do with the growth as they have done pretty much nothing in my area to help the growth of the game.
Your wife had a built in tennis pro and she still wasn't able to get into it ? Yeah we do have a problem.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Well, frankly these days you don't call tennis clubs and ask for information. You get some information from the web site first, and then go in person. The people working the phones are temps, and while once there were long-term employees in the pro-shop, it has become a ghost shop due to online shopping.
 

BH40love

Rookie
I’m not a big fan of pickleball but I have to disagree that it’s only 55+ year olds. Just go be a spectator at a tournament and you’ll notice a lot of young people. Many have a tennis background. Whether we like it or not there’s a lot of excitement in pickleball. Yes I know it has a quick learning curve compared to tennis but it doesn’t matter people are jumping on board.


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I get that might be the case in a tourney setting but I live in florida and work for USTA. This is just what I see. There is a bunch of clubs doing pickleball classes or asking the instructors at facilities to become certified. From what I have seen, it’s a ton of older folks, and honestly I’m just a tennis purist so I can’t deal w the pickleball. I can’t and will not get behind this movement. It’s like a trend but I understand why ppl play and especially older crowds.
 

Demented

Rookie
There's 2 separate PB crowds in my city. The during the day retired/older folks and the night time tennis group. At night the average is anywhere from 35 to 40 and it consist of mostly 4.0 to 4.5 tennis players and other super athletic people. The older folks pretty much stay away. The competitive pickle ball crowd in my city isn't that large, maybe 60 people total. We had enough to start a league. It's certainly not in the ball park of tennis(we have around 2500 active USTA players) and over 100 public courts available(50 private) in a city of roughly 500k.
 

atatu

Hall of Fame
There's 2 separate PB crowds in my city. The during the day retired/older folks and the night time tennis group. At night the average is anywhere from 35 to 40 and it consist of mostly 4.0 to 4.5 tennis players and other super athletic people. The older folks pretty much stay away. The competitive pickle ball crowd in my city isn't that large, maybe 60 people total. We had enough to start a league. It's certainly not in the ball park of tennis(we have around 2500 active USTA players) and over 100 public courts available(50 private) in a city of roughly 500k.
Super athletic people playing pickle ball ? Why ?
 

TennisDawg

Professional
Super athletic people playing pickle ball ? Why ?
So, they can hit a high backhand volley to show off in front seniors, I guess. Same thing pickleball instructors that played 4.0ish tennis do when they teach seniors in pickleball.


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TennisDawg

Professional
While I love tennis, I can no longer play because of some pretty severe rotator cuff damage and surgeries. Enter pickleball. I definitely was a skeptical but now absolutely love playing. Admittedly, there can be hacks but the same thing happens in tennis. Just set up your own groups then. I play with a group of guys all about 40 - 60 and we get really competitive games going for 2 - 3 straight hours multiple times a week. Everyone definitely comes off the court with quite the workout. There really is more strategy with the no volley zone than you think and actually the game is getting a lot faster and more aggressive. Many points are much longer than tennis and even more wild because it takes a lot to put a shot away.

PS - Total Pickleball is an excellent site. Picked up a fantastic “used” paddle there because I knew it would be excellent just like TW rates frames.
I play Pickle about once a week. Often it’s with people that have very little tennis background. This morning I smacked a backhand and the ball knocked the glasses of the opponent. Her glasses prevented injury. She was upset and accused me of head hunting. I apologized and explained the ball richochet off her paddle. My point is it’s pretty hard to volley with the edge of the paddle. I decided to do the boring dink game, your average pickleballer has no clue how to volley or hit a ground stroke. If you want to avoid injuring someone just dial it back.
 

aliceinpains

New User
The pickleball courts have definitely taken over the tennis courts in the town where I live. One place where there used to be 3 tennis courts, is now all pickleball. I have no interest as long as i can still play singles tennis.
 

jonestim

Hall of Fame
Two years ago there was planning for a new indoor tennis facility with three courts. After a few months I heard that it was going to be two tennis and two pickleball. It was off my radar for a long time - but they just opened up with zero tennis courts and 10 pickleball.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
A visiting league player from another club mentioned yesterday that his father-in-law was trying to force him to play pickleball with him.

That is a new family dynamics!
 

IowaGuy

Hall of Fame
Two years ago there was planning for a new indoor tennis facility with three courts. After a few months I heard that it was going to be two tennis and two pickleball. It was off my radar for a long time - but they just opened up with zero tennis courts and 10 pickleball.
Wow, what city is this in?
 

IowaGuy

Hall of Fame
There's 2 separate PB crowds in my city. The during the day retired/older folks and the night time tennis group. At night the average is anywhere from 35 to 40 and it consist of mostly 4.0 to 4.5 tennis players and other super athletic people. The older folks pretty much stay away. The competitive pickle ball crowd in my city isn't that large, maybe 60 people total. We had enough to start a league. It's certainly not in the ball park of tennis(we have around 2500 active USTA players) and over 100 public courts available(50 private) in a city of roughly 500k.
I have a hard time believing a 4.5 tennis player would prefer to play pickle?!?
 

jonestim

Hall of Fame
Wow, what city is this in?
Bend, OR. Population around 90k

The new facility just edges out the one that opened last year with 8 indoor courts. Our club has 2, another facility that sets up 4 courts for specific times, and a church with 1. That's at least 25 indoor courts.

Our biggest outdoor facility has 16. There are a total of around 32 outdoor courts spread around.

I would be surprised if there was somewhere else with a higher court/resident ratio.
 

Ironwood

Professional
There is spin, but mostly under and side... Topspin doesn't really become a thing until the higher levels (4.5/5.0). The paddle face is pretty smooth, as is the ball, so spin generation can be more difficult. For me, I am always trying to find a paddle that has more texture to allow me to whip my forehand. Pickleball is the only "racquet" sport that I have played where my backhand is my stronger shot.
I play both, mostly doubles, but later in life I'm transitioning largely tp PB. PB is played at closer quarters than tennis and at higher levels is a game of court strategy, angles, quick volleys and especially misdirection or disguised shots. This is where I think it really differentiates itself from tennis. It can be a good workout, and matches can certainly go 1 1/2 hrs....but not 5 hrs like some GS singles matches. Most strategic play is to the backhand or to jam your opponent.....like you, my backhand is my best shot, both for power and placement. Not taken with a big backswing, but a quick wrist flick. Our tennis pro was told at a spring coaching clinic for coaches, to get ready as they would loose half of their members to PB over the next 5 years.
 
I play both, mostly doubles, but later in life I'm transitioning largely tp PB. PB is played at closer quarters than tennis and at higher levels is a game of court strategy, angles, quick volleys and especially misdirection or disguised shots. This is where I think it really differentiates itself from tennis. It can be a good workout, and matches can certainly go 1 1/2 hrs....but not 5 hrs like some GS singles matches. Most strategic play is to the backhand or to jam your opponent.....like you, my backhand is my best shot, both for power and placement. Not taken with a big backswing, but a quick wrist flick. Our tennis pro was told at a spring coaching clinic for coaches, to get ready as they would loose half of their members to PB over the next 5 years.
At the club I work at we are starting to put more focus on Pickleball. Right now we are building up awareness, with one monthly open play event. We only have clay courts, so setting up for PB is a bit of a pain. In the future we hope to get a couple stand alone courts so it will be more available for free play and lessons. We are lucky that we have a nice mix of older and younger tennis playing members, so we should be able to keep a good number of participants active for both sports for many years ahead!
 

ChaelAZ

Legend
The pickleball associations do very little and I believe why pickleball has been growing is that it is more accessible than other sports especially racquet sports.

True. People are more accepting in Pickleball for sure. But the biggest boone is from city rec folks realizing they can cram 8 people in two matches on the same space they were only getting a max of 4. More ROI on the land cost and more people active at once. Singles tennis is the worst in that regard.
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
I play both, mostly doubles, but later in life I'm transitioning largely tp PB. PB is played at closer quarters than tennis and at higher levels is a game of court strategy, angles, quick volleys and especially misdirection or disguised shots. This is where I think it really differentiates itself from tennis. It can be a good workout, and matches can certainly go 1 1/2 hrs....but not 5 hrs like some GS singles matches. Most strategic play is to the backhand or to jam your opponent.....like you, my backhand is my best shot, both for power and placement. Not taken with a big backswing, but a quick wrist flick. Our tennis pro was told at a spring coaching clinic for coaches, to get ready as they would loose half of their members to PB over the next 5 years.
Lose the other half to the boneyard, Pickled4Life
 

MarinaHighTennis

Professional
True. People are more accepting in Pickleball for sure. But the biggest boone is from city rec folks realizing they can cram 8 people in two matches on the same space they were only getting a max of 4. More ROI on the land cost and more people active at once. Singles tennis is the worst in that regard.
One thing about pickleball is that obese, sedentary & elderly populations are willing to pick it up. As a pharmacist its something I'm happy to advocate/introduce them to it and it works.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
One thing about pickleball is that obese, sedentary & elderly populations are willing to pick it up. As a pharmacist its something I'm happy to advocate/introduce them to it and it works.
Didn't you graduate high school like a couple of years ago and then get into some health issue? How are you a pharmacist already? I thought that was 4 years more after 4 years of college.
 

ChaelAZ

Legend
One thing about pickleball is that obese, sedentary & elderly populations are willing to pick it up. As a pharmacist its something I'm happy to advocate/introduce them to it and it works.

True! And not just obese, etc., but active elderly populations as well. Active lifestyle is a huge key to longevity and better quality of life.
 

Mongolmike

Hall of Fame
The pickle ball organization, if there's such thing, must be doing a better job at marketing/evangelizing the sport than our USTA. I even remember that catchy phrase, "The fastest growing sport ..." And I heard friends quoting the same phrase.
But...but...but the USTA just spent MILLIONS on a massive tennis facilitycomplex in Florida.... and NOW you expect them to do MARKETING TOO?
What kind of crazy reality do you live in???
 

Ironwood

Professional
Our club pro was told at a teaching clinic in the spring that clubs need to embrace Pickleball as 50% of their senior players will be switching to PB within 5 years. I can see it happening. I play both, but lately more PB which at a recreational competitive level, it has a lot to offer. It is different from tennis, and not all tennis players will transition well. PB is won at the net, so you need quick hands for fast volley exchanges, and a good touch or soft game for angled drops and slices. A friend of mine who's tennis strength has always been a strong baseline game is frustrated with PB. He can hit the odd passing shot in PB, but more often than not, his drive is cut off with an angled put away. An overhead slam of a PB ball travels only 1/3 as fast as a tennis ball, so defensive rallies prevail. It can take several smashes in a rally to put a ball away...often it has to be angled away rather than driven through a good defensive player. It's attraction to the older crowd is the smaller court size without as much territory to cover.
 

2ndServe

Hall of Fame
Pickleball learning curve is 1000x easier than tennis, also way easier on the body and appealing to older and less athletic people so it's going to appeal to wider audience. Get used to it, I'm sure it's growing at an exponential rate and tennis is only popular to me because I'm in a prime tennis location, else I'd think tennis participation is in a decline. Be interesting to revisit this and see what the pickleball/tennis ratio is in 5 years.
 

Ironwood

Professional
Pickleball learning curve is 1000x easier than tennis, also way easier on the body and appealing to older and less athletic people so it's going to appeal to wider audience. Get used to it, I'm sure it's growing at an exponential rate and tennis is only popular to me because I'm in a prime tennis location, else I'd think tennis participation is in a decline. Be interesting to revisit this and see what the pickleball/tennis ratio is in 5 years.
Having played several racket sports, mainly badminton, squash and tennis I made the transition quickly to PB. Within 3 to 4 months I was playing with the better guys in town. But like any skill sometimes you can adapt to a certain level of play quickly, but progression from there requires a lot of time spent on court honing strategy and shot skills. When I get a chance to play against better players it can be a real learning experience, seeing how they set up a winning shot, whether its a misdirection shot, soft angled drop in the kitchen (NVZ) or simply forcing a short high return which can be easily put away. For those who poo poo the game, they have never seen or played it at a higher skill level.....and the same goes for any motion sport.
 
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