Pickleball is spreading

BallBag

Semi-Pro
Having played several racket sports, mainly badminton, squash and tennis I made the transition quickly to PB. Within 3 to 4 months I was playing with the better guys in town. But like any skill sometimes you can adapt to a certain level of play quickly, but progression from there requires a lot of time spent on court honing strategy and shot skills. When I get a chance to play against better players it can be a real learning experience, seeing how they set up a winning shot, whether its a misdirection shot, soft angled drop in the kitchen (NVZ) or simply forcing a short high return which can be easily put away. For those who poo poo the game, they have never seen or played it at a higher skill level.....and the same goes for any motion sport.
High level pickle ball is intense. Kinda like tic-tac-toe but not quite rock-paper-scissors level.
 

HBK4life

Rookie
These pickle ball nazis are the worst. Idk how it is around the country but where I live these herds of plays take over PUBLIC pickle ball courts and insist people already playing there get in on the “rotation”. It would be like if you were playing tennis and the courts were full and a group saying you have to rotate in with their group every 15 or 20 min. I was playing with some friends of mine and this woman who was the ring leader of this group said we had to play in rotation. I said no we are playing with each other and these were public courts. She and her group threw a fit. I told them to call the parks department or the police. Otherwise leave us the heck alone.
 

TennisDawg

Professional
These pickle ball nazis are the worst. Idk how it is around the country but where I live these herds of plays take over PUBLIC pickle ball courts and insist people already playing there get in on the “rotation”. It would be like if you were playing tennis and the courts were full and a group saying you have to rotate in with their group every 15 or 20 min. I was playing with some friends of mine and this woman who was the ring leader of this group said we had to play in rotation. I said no we are playing with each other and these were public courts. She and her group threw a fit. I told them to call the parks department or the police. Otherwise leave us the heck alone.
Lol these mixers are pretty common in pickle ball. The purpose of it is to play with a variety of people which is acceptable in pickle ball but not in tennis. I don’t care personally I’m just there to get a little exercise, have a few laughs and to meet people. If you’re more serious about pickle ball that could be a problem. It may be better to reserve your own court. I have been able to make friends in pickleball much easier than tennis. Pickleball is a social game kinda like horse shoes or croquet and it’s much easer to blend in than make a scene, my opinion only.
 

mcs1970

Hall of Fame
I keep reading (last article included) that pickleball lets you form friends unlike Tennis. Why is that? We have about 6 of us who regularly play Tennis and are a close knit bunch. 4 of the 6 didn’t know each other prior to meeting on the courts.

Any group sport can drive away or bring people together depending upon the individuals within the group. Not sure why pickleball should be conferred a special status when it come to that.
 

Robert F

Semi-Pro
I'm on the pickleball is garbage bandwagon at the moment. Public courts have been converted to pickle courts. A crop of lit pickle ball courts went up, yet they never had lit tennis courts. Our indoor clubs are now offering pickle hours. I struggle because if tennis keeps dying in the US we need pickle ball people to keep clubs open, but it would drive me crazy to not get courts to see it filled with picklers.

Trying to be open, I attempted to watch some professional pickle ball matches--I just don't get it. It doesn't seem to have half the athletisism of tennis and seems to focus mainly on touch. I guess this just matches the trend of us Americans becoming less and less athletic.

My original life plan if I get to be old was to drop to doubles only, well I guess my back up plan is to play pickle when I can't handle doubles.
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
And those who cannot handle pickleball? Shuffleboard/Bocce'...................................Horseshoes?
 

tomato123

Semi-Pro
One of the major parks in my neighborhood just tore down 2 of its 4 basketball courts to make room for 4 brand new pickle ball courts next to the 3 tennis courts. Surprised they didn’t just draw pickleball lines in the tennis courts like most places. This is also a park that attracts a LOT of ballers so I’d imagine they were not too pleased with that. But maybe thats the point and the community is trying to get the ballers out of there.
 

Chalkdust

New User
Lots of pickleball in my patch of the woods. I do get some of the appeal. It's fun, easy to learn initially, not physically demanding (for rec level play). But then to play at a high level does require a lot of skill and athleticism. Ultimately it's not for me because it doesn't have any benefit for me over tennis, while tennis is a better workout. But for someone who does not want the more physical aspect of tennis or is new to racket sports it makes sense.
 

rogerroger917

Hall of Fame
Someone posted a video of the pickle ball national championships video from last year before on here. It was a 15 year old kid and a heavyset middle aged women. Against two 30ish men. So I don't think athletic ability other than coordination is needed. You don't have to take 2 steps it seems.

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Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
Someone posted a video of the pickle ball national championships video from last year before on here. It was a 15 year old kid and a heavyset middle aged women. Against two 30ish men. So I don't think athletic ability other than coordination is needed. You don't have to take 2 steps it seems.

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Did the kid carry his partner?
 

TennisDawg

Professional
I keep reading (last article included) that pickleball lets you form friends unlike Tennis. Why is that? We have about 6 of us who regularly play Tennis and are a close knit bunch. 4 of the 6 didn’t know each other prior to meeting on the courts.

Any group sport can drive away or bring people together depending upon the individuals within the group. Not sure why pickleball should be conferred a special status when it come to that.
I think it’s because of the sheer numbers of picklers. At one time Rec Tennis was like that. I remember showing up at public tennis courts and easily finding a doubles match or even singles. In my area you have to arrange a tennis group. In Pickle you just show up and you’re playing within a few minutes. Now, I still prefer tennis much more, but sometimes I just don’t wanna hastle with arranging tennis matches. If you show up at a public tennis court hoping to find a match you’d better have a plan B, which is a backboard or serve practice. There’s no question Tennis is more athletic, but as far as enthusiasm and excitement, at Rec level it’s not there anymore. I don’t play pickle tournaments just Rec play and I find it sociable and very open.
 

tennytive

Professional
racket costing $150 ??
It's a paddle not a racket, which makes the price even more egregious. 3 years ago I was lucky to get my Paddleteks for $75 and $80. You don't see any good used paddles for sale either like we do with rackets, so your options are slim and almost none.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Was in Palm Desert last week. In our complex they had 15 tennis courts. Six have been converted to Pickleball courts. They were packed in the morning. What a terrible noise. Horses on cobblestone. Over and over again. Glad i don't own the units close to the courts.

Anyway, it's amazingly popular down in the US. Terrible to watch though. Might be fun to play in a "Ping Pong is fun while drunk" kind of way. I told my buddies, "Next time we are down in the desert we have to play Pickleball, but the rule is you have to hold a beer in one hand the entire time."
 

navigator

Hall of Fame
Lots of pickleball in my patch of the woods. I do get some of the appeal. It's fun, easy to learn initially, not physically demanding (for rec level play). But then to play at a high level does require a lot of skill and athleticism. Ultimately it's not for me because it doesn't have any benefit for me over tennis, while tennis is a better workout. But for someone who does not want the more physical aspect of tennis or is new to racket sports it makes sense.
I love tennis and have zero interest in pickleball, but... tennis is an inferior product for just about anyone of any age who hasn't played the sport yet. In the US the popularity of soccer started skimming kids from tennis in the '90s. Team sport, more social, less pressure, less expensive... superior product. For adults, pickleball will put the final nail in tennis' coffin - (as mentioned above) it's easier to learn, less physically demanding, more social... it's a superior product to tennis. An adult who wants to learn tennis today needs to put up with 3 years of being terrible and a boatload of running. A kid has to put up with the same, along with the fact that it's a lonely sport and you're pretty much on your own - there's nowhere to hide. It's just not that appealing to most folks. Which is why the participation rate in tennis has declined by 2/3 over the last 40+ years. In the US, it's a dying sport - albeit slowly - and the USTA clearly has no clue as to how to combat this fact.
 

Chalkdust

New User
I love tennis and have zero interest in pickleball, but... tennis is an inferior product for just about anyone of any age who hasn't played the sport yet. In the US the popularity of soccer started skimming kids from tennis in the '90s. Team sport, more social, less pressure, less expensive... superior product. For adults, pickleball will put the final nail in tennis' coffin - (as mentioned above) it's easier to learn, less physically demanding, more social... it's a superior product to tennis. An adult who wants to learn tennis today needs to put up with 3 years of being terrible and a boatload of running. A kid has to put up with the same, along with the fact that it's a lonely sport and you're pretty much on your own - there's nowhere to hide. It's just not that appealing to most folks. Which is why the participation rate in tennis has declined by 2/3 over the last 40+ years. In the US, it's a dying sport - albeit slowly - and the USTA clearly has no clue as to how to combat this fact.
You're right, and it's unfortunate, because tennis is one of very few sports that can be played throughout one's life while providing good exercise.
Kids are gravitating to soccer and others, but typically won't be playing it as older adults.
Golf isn't much of a workout.
If pickleball attracts participants who would otherwise be playing golf, then it's not all bad - at least it gets people into a racket sport that provides some exercise.
But it's sad to see tennis getting overshadowed.
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
You're right, and it's unfortunate, because tennis is one of very few sports that can be played throughout one's life while providing good exercise.
Kids are gravitating to soccer and others, but typically won't be playing it as older adults.
Golf isn't much of a workout.
If pickleball attracts participants who would otherwise be playing golf, then it's not all bad - at least it gets people into a racket sport that provides some exercise.
But it's sad to see tennis getting overshadowed.
And the courts getting re-purposed. Now if these seniors would get into volleyball.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I love tennis and have zero interest in pickleball, but... tennis is an inferior product for just about anyone of any age who hasn't played the sport yet. In the US the popularity of soccer started skimming kids from tennis in the '90s. Team sport, more social, less pressure, less expensive... superior product. For adults, pickleball will put the final nail in tennis' coffin - (as mentioned above) it's easier to learn, less physically demanding, more social... it's a superior product to tennis. An adult who wants to learn tennis today needs to put up with 3 years of being terrible and a boatload of running. A kid has to put up with the same, along with the fact that it's a lonely sport and you're pretty much on your own - there's nowhere to hide. It's just not that appealing to most folks. Which is why the participation rate in tennis has declined by 2/3 over the last 40+ years. In the US, it's a dying sport - albeit slowly - and the USTA clearly has no clue as to how to combat this fact.
We chose to play tennis not because it is easy, but because it is hard.

(Famous quote from sureshs)
 

joe sch

Legend
Was in Palm Desert last week. In our complex they had 15 tennis courts. Six have been converted to Pickleball courts. They were packed in the morning. What a terrible noise. Horses on cobblestone. Over and over again. Glad i don't own the units close to the courts.

Anyway, it's amazingly popular down in the US. Terrible to watch though. Might be fun to play in a "Ping Pong is fun while drunk" kind of way. I told my buddies, "Next time we are down in the desert we have to play Pickleball, but the rule is you have to hold a beer in one hand the entire time."
Table tennis takes lots of skills to play at high level. A 5.5 NTRP will not be a high level TT player. Not the case for Pickle Ball, a advanced tennis player will be very competitive once the simple rules are understood.
 

joe sch

Legend
I love tennis and have zero interest in pickleball, but... tennis is an inferior product for just about anyone of any age who hasn't played the sport yet. In the US the popularity of soccer started skimming kids from tennis in the '90s. Team sport, more social, less pressure, less expensive... superior product. For adults, pickleball will put the final nail in tennis' coffin - (as mentioned above) it's easier to learn, less physically demanding, more social... it's a superior product to tennis. An adult who wants to learn tennis today needs to put up with 3 years of being terrible and a boatload of running. A kid has to put up with the same, along with the fact that it's a lonely sport and you're pretty much on your own - there's nowhere to hide. It's just not that appealing to most folks. Which is why the participation rate in tennis has declined by 2/3 over the last 40+ years. In the US, it's a dying sport - albeit slowly - and the USTA clearly has no clue as to how to combat this fact.
Agree that the USTA is clue less. Like many big agencies if they spent a bigger part of the exec payouts to tech and real intel then better ideas for product improvements (tennis events) and data anal would get interest and activity back into the game.
 

TennisDawg

Professional
Table tennis takes lots of skills to play at high level. A 5.5 NTRP will not be a high level TT player. Not the case for Pickle Ball, a advanced tennis player will be very competitive once the simple rules are understood.
Spot on, I play Pickleball mainly for it’s social interaction. I’ve noticed in most every case advanced pickle players played at 4.0-4.5, or higher tennis. The average pickle player will rarely go above 3.5. Their stroke mechanics are not there and they don’t realize it. I don’t give advice as I want to stay on good terms. They purchase $1000 ball machines in hopes of becoming an advanced pickle player and all they do is reinforced their poor technique. Same can be said for Rec tennis players but at least many of us know what we should be doing.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Table tennis takes lots of skills to play at high level. A 5.5 NTRP will not be a high level TT player. Not the case for Pickle Ball, a advanced tennis player will be very competitive once the simple rules are understood.
I played TT last week as it was raining here and it is very difficult to move beyond the intermediate level. The pace and spin are much higher than tennis.
 

Matthew ATX

Semi-Pro
So you can't step foot in the neutral zone by the net. How is that enforced? Are you having to watch your opponents feet at all times to call foot faults on them?
 

TennisDawg

Professional
So you can't step foot in the neutral zone by the net. How is that enforced? Are you having to watch your opponents feet at all times to call foot faults on them?
In pickup games it’s mainly up to you to call it. They have umpires in tournaments. If the ball bounces in that zone it’s legal to step into the zone. You can’t step into the zone to hit a volley. The zone is called the kitchen.
 

Geoff

Hall of Fame
Some of my fellow teaching pros that are nationally ranked players have found some rough times at local Pickleball tournaments.
 

atatu

Hall of Fame
Wow almost as much blind hatred in this thread as a typical pro Roger/Rafa/Nole post on the rest of the page... :rolleyes:
I'm pretty sure no one would care if pickleball players weren't taking over tennis courts and demanding that pb lines be painted on tennis courts. I mean you don't see tennis players hating on bowlers or poker players, because those "sports" aren't impacting tennis courts.
 

JoelDali

G.O.A.T.
Played in a beginner's round robin tonight. 7 rounds. Was lots of fun. Am new to pickleball and I found the transition from tennis easy.
Drank two gallons of leprosy vomit tonight. In one continuous gulp. Am new to leprosy vomit and I found the transition from champagne easy.
 
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