Pickleball is spreading

atatu

Hall of Fame
Just watched the first two points and couldn't stand to watch anymore. You do realize top WTA doubles players would destroy these women given a few hours of practice right ? Can you imagine what Bethanie Mattek Sands would do to them ?
 

Robert F

Semi-Pro
I still don't get it. Maybe if it didn't make that darn clacking sound all the time.

Give some cred that these women are at least moving. But a lot of pickleball looks pretty stationary. At least in the hackiest of tennis you still have to run.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Just watched the first two points and couldn't stand to watch anymore. You do realize top WTA doubles players would destroy these women given a few hours of practice right ? Can you imagine what Bethanie Mattek Sands would do to them ?
You know these girls all grew up playing tennis and would rather be playing tennis but since they can't make a living at tennis, they are in the pickle ball world.
They are just trying to convince themselves they love it.

But a sport where you're primary purpose is to hit the ball as lightly as you can must go against everything their brains want to do.
 

atatu

Hall of Fame
You know these girls all grew up playing tennis and would rather be playing tennis but since they can't make a living at tennis, they are in the pickle ball world.
They are just trying to convince themselves they love it.

But a sport where you're primary purpose is to hit the ball as lightly as you can must go against everything their brains want to do.
Yeah, lots of good tennis players who weren't quite good enough turn to pickleball to dominate this "sport" it's kind of sad.
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
Pickleball is spreading, and to stop it we need to close down the courts and lock up the elderly. Kind of reminds me of another problem that I enjoy just about equally ...
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
I played pickleball in jr high/high school. Since we didn't have tennis courts on campus, this was in place to play. Tennis was somewhat existent in our school but had to go off site.

Anyways...played for the first time since school. The place I went to play had dedicated courts and not painted on the tennis court. It was actually an extension built on what used to be part of the parking lot. Various level of players but all seemed to be having a great time.

At the courts I help with the Jr program, they painted PB on two courts but I don't recall anyone ever playing on them. My friends club painted on one court and they have portable nets off to the side with set hours for PB priority use.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
It's become so huge, so fast. I've played and it was a nice diversion, but I really don't like it like tennis or platform tennis. I get why older people play it.
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
my friend at the club says he is going to get his PB certification so he can coach both tennis and PB. More of the club members that are not avid tennis players are showing interest.
 

Tennease

Legend
First time I saw people playing Pickleball was at public tennis courts in Maui. I didn't like the way it sounded!!! Such annoying sound! The rally looked slow and the people who played it looked slow too!!! So much less dynamic compared to tennis.
 

Tennis sprew

Hall of Fame
Pickle ball needs to be made illegal. It ruins the ambience of tennis and is hard to focus when you have an annoying ball with PERFORATIONS making loud noises every hit. If they used tennis balls that were dead or bounced very little or made less noise it would be better.
 

Chalkdust

Rookie
My tennis club also has dedicated PB courts and the PB membership is growing rapidly. Mostly older folks. The tennis pros now also give PB lessons.

All in all I think if it brings more people to racquet sports then it's all good. It seems fun and social. Kinda the way I think of tennis dubs as compared to singles.
 

Kenny022593

Professional
My tennis club also has dedicated PB courts and the PB membership is growing rapidly. Mostly older folks. The tennis pros now also give PB lessons.

All in all I think if it brings more people to racquet sports then it's all good. It seems fun and social. Kinda the way I think of tennis dubs as compared to singles.
This is the mindset that all tennis players should have, but only a small minority do.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
One of the players is a former tennis pro who once beat Roddick!

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atatu

Hall of Fame
One of the players is a former tennis pro who once beat Roddick!

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In other word, he couldn't make it in tennis, so he decided to dominate this "sport" where he could be one of the best ?
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
In other word, he couldn't make it in tennis, so he decided to dominate this "sport" where he could be one of the best ?
I'll certainly give pickle ball more respect when someone decides he can't cut it in professional Pickle Ball and joins the ATP and starts to dominate.

But in the words od Paul Rizer, "Never going to happen, my friend."
 

widebody 13

New User
My regular doubles partner got me in to playing some pickleball last Fall. I'm 59 and have played tennis since I was 12. Here are the things that I have noticed:
1. You can attain a level of competency in pickleball fairly quickly, especially if you have played tennis.
2. Pickleball is a lot easier on your wallet. No stringing fees and you can get a really good paddle for much less than a decent racquet.
3. Really good pickleball players are very good. You can't just pick up the game and beat them.
4. My knees are shot and it has affected my tennis. Not so in pickleball but your hips take a beating.
5. It has been my experience that well run tennis tournaments are rare. Well run pickleball tournaments are the norm and everyone is a lot friendlier.
6. It's much easier to get three other people to play pickleball than to get three other people to play tennis. That's because there is such a wide disparity in tennis skill as opposed to pickleball.

I like pickleball but not nearly as much as tennis. I find the pickleball rules a little arbitrary and unlike tennis, the receiving team has the advantage, not the server. Tennis will always be my first love but pickleball players seem much less "cliquey".
 

louis netman

Hall of Fame
And there's the problem, pickleball singles sucks. Of all the times I've seen these people play pickleball there's never been a singles match, only doubles. If there's a game that has singles and doubles and only one of them is fun to play then that's not good.
Singles is the most like tennis, and you are right, the vast majority of play is doubles, where "dinking" inside the kitchen is the secret to winning. It's what I don't like about Pball doubles. If you're on my team, you quickly learn to play Bryan Bros style!

I discovered pickleball in 2017 and quickly became proficient due to my serve / volley tennis background and all around skills in Continental grip. I added pickleball to my coaching repertoire very quickly. BEWARE: Pickleball is a blast for an accomplished tennis player, but has a low center of gravity and it exacerbated my knee injury to the point where I was unable to walk for most of 2018, going into rehab the entire year!

Indeed, the sport is fun, but it is truly a “racket,” no pun intended. The cost of the plastic wiffle balls is ridiculous, the paddles are overpriced-- and it seems the whole industry (and it has become HUGE) including the USAPA is taking everyone to the cleaners without anyone being aware of it.

It catches on because it's very simple to start playing and having fun. It has caught the attention of badminton players, squash players, racquetball players, ping-pong players, and most importantly, non-players. The typical non-player, has may have longed for an athletic "identity" and pickleball gives them this athletic identity. Having played all the sports, and having preferred to concentrate my efforts on tennis since childhood and for most of my life, I can, very quickly assess the backgrounds of the players. In my observation, it’s the tennis players who always rule the pickleball courts. Period.

Good tennis technique translates to good pickleball technique, especially when the player is comfortable in Continental grip for all the shots. Experience in the other racket sports is not conducive to proper pickleball skills. Tennis rules. In fact, some lower ranked (below 200) tennis pros are turning to pickleball and are ending up in the top 10. And as the game continues to grow, there will be more and more endorsements and money and popularity. The pickleball U.S. Open has been televised on CBS for several years in a row now, I believe.

The USAPA and the industry want the sport to become an Olympic sport, but IMO, this won’t happen unless there is some sort of bribe or kickback…

I have written to the USAPA about this and never received a reply because I don’t think they like what I’m saying.

Table tennis/ping-pong became an Olympic sport because of the amount of control a player was able to exhibit with the various spins involved in the game. This was a direct result of the paddle surface and the ball.

With the current pickleball equipment/rules. I have discovered the law of diminishing returns in terms of the spin/control over the ball that I have been able to generate. The paddles are relatively slick (and rules prohibit modification), and we’re dealing with a slick, plastic wiffle ball here. I found that I was able to produce topspin, side-spin and slice to a certain degree, and then beyond that, no amount of energy expended would produce more RPM. In fact, I found that it actually decreased beyond that point.

Unless these two variables, paddle surface and ball, are re-examined, there will be only so much ball control exhibited by any player.

Indeed, Olympic viability will certainly put a boost in $$$$. But as it stands today, there are already 20 or so paddle manufacturers, each producing about 20 different models. The big tennis brands have already jumped in headfirst, and we’re seeing new lines of the “pickleball shoes” and pickleball apparel everywhere.

So, what’s so different about pickleball shoes? What’s so different about pickleball apparel?

Answer: The (non-tennis playing) pickleball consumer.
And those Baby Boomers and early Gen Xers seem to have a lot more spare time these days…
 

atatu

Hall of Fame
As far as the Olympics go, wouldn't PB have to catch on internationally ? It seems like Paddle is more popular in Europe and would be a more likely candidate. Table tennis and badminton are both more international sports.
 

Robert F

Semi-Pro
As a side note, in the past month outdoor tennis and pickle ball courts have been opening up during COVID. A set of 6 tennis courts near me lost 2 of the courts to pickle ball about 2 years ago.
In the past 2-3 years during the spring and summer, I have never had to wait for a court. This spring, all the tennis courts in the area have been full, yet those converted pickle ball courts have remained barren.

Maybe the pickleball demographic is at higher risk keeping the courts fairly empty?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Latest issue of Costco magazine informs me that Pickleball is rapidly spreading in prisons and that 98% of prisoners are released back into society. It has reduced prison violence because if you don't behave, you are not allowed to play.

I had not viewed the sport in this light before - as a social reform movement.
 

louis netman

Hall of Fame
Latest issue of Costco magazine informs me that Pickleball is rapidly spreading in prisons and that 98% of prisoners are released back into society. It has reduced prison violence because if you don't behave, you are not allowed to play.

I had not viewed the sport in this light before - as a social reform movement.
Thanks for that info. I would call it an intra-prison social reform. Unfortunately, the deterrent effect doesn't translate to life in non-prison society (after release). This becomes a BIG problem when communities like the one I live in want to transform tennis courts into pickleball courts.

Incidentally, ever since the Pball introduction to our tennis courts, I have seen and reported litter, graffitti, broken glass, etc. I'm not saying that all Pballers are of this genre, but when you have an activity that anyone off the street may play and become relatively competent in, there's going to be some issues, most especially when the players are being trained at the Folsom Pickleball Academy LOL.

Indeed, I love and play both, but I have found that the Pball community ,who plays on our courts are from other neighborhoods. What's even more distressing is that our city received loads of emails from these-out of-towners prior to a city council meeting and they won the battle to build Pball courts vs tennis courts.

Could you please display the link for the prison Pball article. I have been bombarding the city with all kinds of information about the potential issues. Thx!
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
The USAPA and the industry want the sport to become an Olympic sport, but IMO, this won’t happen unless there is some sort of bribe or kickback…
It won't happen as long as it remains largely an American phenomenon. The US is the only place I've seen it played in my many travels. You need Europe and Asia to jump on board to have a hope of Pickleball getting to the Olympics. That and the fact its one of the most miserable sports to watch live. The balance of finesse to power and speed is totally off. It's as bad as watching poker.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Thanks for that info. I would call it an intra-prison social reform. Unfortunately, the deterrent effect doesn't translate to life in non-prison society (after release). This becomes a BIG problem when communities like the one I live in want to transform tennis courts into pickleball courts.

Incidentally, ever since the Pball introduction to our tennis courts, I have seen and reported litter, graffitti, broken glass, etc. I'm not saying that all Pballers are of this genre, but when you have an activity that anyone off the street may play and become relatively competent in, there's going to be some issues, most especially when the players are being trained at the Folsom Pickleball Academy LOL.

Indeed, I love and play both, but I have found that the Pball community ,who plays on our courts are from other neighborhoods. What's even more distressing is that our city received loads of emails from these-out of-towners prior to a city council meeting and they won the battle to build Pball courts vs tennis courts.

Could you please display the link for the prison Pball article. I have been bombarding the city with all kinds of information about the potential issues. Thx!
@louis netman

 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Is Pickleball the Perfect Pandemic Pastime?


And thanks to the pandemic, there may soon be many new “picklers,” as obsessives proudly call themselves. In driveways and rooftops across the country, players are setting up makeshift courts, using temporary paint or chalk to draw lines and making nets out of whatever items are available, and getting everyone in their households to join in on the fun.

The talk-show host Ellen DeGeneres recently said she was having a hard time walking because she was playing so much.

 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Is Pickleball the Perfect Pandemic Pastime?


And thanks to the pandemic, there may soon be many new “picklers,” as obsessives proudly call themselves. In driveways and rooftops across the country, players are setting up makeshift courts, using temporary paint or chalk to draw lines and making nets out of whatever items are available, and getting everyone in their households to join in on the fun.

The talk-show host Ellen DeGeneres recently said she was having a hard time walking because she was playing so much.

Ellen D'Pickled
 
Latest issue of Costco magazine informs me that Pickleball is rapidly spreading in prisons and that 98% of prisoners are released back into society. It has reduced prison violence because if you don't behave, you are not allowed to play.

I had not viewed the sport in this light before - as a social reform movement.
Pickelball in prison? That's good incentive for me to stay on the straight and narrow...
 

tomato123

Semi-Pro


Basketball is by far the most popular sport in this park near my house, but two courts were taken down to build pickleball courts. Needless to say, the ballers were very unhappy about this.

Even when pickleballers have their own courts, they will still find ways to invade others' spaces. This is a guy that was practicing against the wall in the tennis court because the pickleball courts were full. He even taped up a small square for himself and used more tape to make a line on the ground. The sign by the tennis court specifically says "tennis only." We kindly told this guy we plan on playing on this court, and he says "sure, go ahead" while he continues to hit against the wall. He doesn't get it. Had to spell it out that he needs to get out of the tennis court and it was not pleasant.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster


Basketball is by far the most popular sport in this park near my house, but two courts were taken down to build pickleball courts. Needless to say, the ballers were very unhappy about this.

Even when pickleballers have their own courts, they will still find ways to invade others' spaces. This is a guy that was practicing against the wall in the tennis court because the pickleball courts were full. He even taped up a small square for himself and used more tape to make a line on the ground. The sign by the tennis court specifically says "tennis only." We kindly told this guy we plan on playing on this court, and he says "sure, go ahead" while he continues to hit against the wall. He doesn't get it. Had to spell it out that he needs to get out of the tennis court and it was not pleasant.
I think Tennis Only was an old sign to prevent skateboarders and other dudes using the wall. I am sure the intention was not to exclude pickles, lacrossers or softballers in the future. All of them practice on the wall.

Or was this not a separate wall but a part of the court?
 

rogerroger917

Hall of Fame


Basketball is by far the most popular sport in this park near my house, but two courts were taken down to build pickleball courts. Needless to say, the ballers were very unhappy about this.

Even when pickleballers have their own courts, they will still find ways to invade others' spaces. This is a guy that was practicing against the wall in the tennis court because the pickleball courts were full. He even taped up a small square for himself and used more tape to make a line on the ground. The sign by the tennis court specifically says "tennis only." We kindly told this guy we plan on playing on this court, and he says "sure, go ahead" while he continues to hit against the wall. He doesn't get it. Had to spell it out that he needs to get out of the tennis court and it was not pleasant.
He is literally at the Baseline. Lol. What a tool.

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ttbrowne

Hall of Fame
Our PB courts are deserted in the summer. Old people, who are the predominant players, can't take the heat. Plus they just don't wanna pay for indoor even though its only 15 per hour.
Funny but most come play and have a great time then get hurt in the first 2 weeks. Some are recuperating for a whole year. It's the sudden movement that gets 'em.
In the winter theyll be back...for two weeks
 

norcal

Hall of Fame
In the past 2-3 years during the spring and summer, I have never had to wait for a court. This spring, all the tennis courts in the area have been full, yet those converted pickle ball courts have remained barren.

Maybe the pickleball demographic is at higher risk keeping the courts fairly empty?
Yes, the pickleball courts are pretty empty, tennis pretty full. Not sure it's so much the demo as it is the non-social distance of pickleball doubles. 95% of pb I've seen is dubs and you are pretty much standing right next to each other, exhaling deeply.

I don't mind pb, but I do feel sorry for the people who live next to the courts.
 
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