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Kenny022593

Professional
I’ve also heard a rumor with respect to sites:

Eventually USTA will not consider sites for sanctioned play, tournaments, etc. with permanent PB lines painted on their tennis courts. I don’t want PB to go away. But I also hope the rumor is true. If I wanted to play tennis on a gym floor with lines running everywhere, I wouldn’t be a member at a tennis club.
C’mon, it’s not any worse than 60’ lines :p. 4 courts might be a bit much, but 2 really isn’t that bad.

The bigger problem is those damn tennis lines! Those things get confusing when you’re trying to watch your step in pickleball. They damn sure get in the way of my deuce side T kick landing in!
 

Kenny022593

Professional
The no-volley zone is actually what makes the game great. With how slow the ball moves through the air, it would pretty much be an automatic win if you could get to the net. With the no-volley zone, it still makes being at the net an advantage, but evens it out a little and makes it a much more skillful game, along with making it easier to play with players a little better or worse than you and still have good competition.
I agree with you. I can also add that I used to think the nvz took the athleticism out of the game, but since I’ve been playing more I’m finding it adds some fun athletic elements. Ernie’s, poaching, around the posts. A lot of fun stuff.
 

TennisDawg

Hall of Fame
I agree with you. I can also add that I used to think the nvz took the athleticism out of the game, but since I’ve been playing more I’m finding it adds some fun athletic elements. Ernie’s, poaching, around the posts. A lot of fun stuff.
Most important stroke in pickle is the dink and it does take some skill but it doesn’t compare to a tennis volley. Learning groundstrokes is not as important as learning to dink on PB. IMO it’s a boring spectator
Sport with a lot points lost by netting the ball even at 5.0 level. I would much raster watch a 3.5 tennis match, but that’s just me. I hope they don’t promote this sport in HS, it’s not a real sport.
 

Kenny022593

Professional
Most important stroke in pickle is the dink and it does take some skill but it doesn’t compare to a tennis volley. Learning groundstrokes is not as important as learning to dink on PB. IMO it’s a boring spectator
Sport with a lot points lost by netting the ball even at 5.0 level. I would much raster watch a 3.5 tennis match, but that’s just me. I hope they don’t promote this sport in HS, it’s not a real sport.
And neither is tennis. The most important shots in tennis are groundstrokes and it does take some skill, but it doesn’t compare to a finessed PB dink kept low and hit multiple times with patience. Learning finesse volleys is not as important as learning ground strokes in tennis. IMO it’s a boring spectator sport with 70% of the points being lost from unforced errors. Even at the pro level. I would rather watch a 3.5 pickleball match, but that’s just me. I hope they don’t promote this pretentious and expensive sport in HS. It’s not a real sport.

You can flip your entire argument on to tennis. It’s not a matter of your opinion on whether you enjoy watching it or not. In fact, it actually is fairly boring to watch if you have no idea what’s going on. Even then it can become boring. That’s not grounds for you to dismiss something that people of all ages can participate in and be physically active WHILE keeping score. The very definition of a sport.

The only similarity between tennis and pickleball is that they share a common surface. Yes PB can be played on other material, but the ball used in pro/open tournaments is better suited to a hardcourt. Just like a regular duty ball is better suited to clay. People from tennis are transferring over to PB because of conceited and pretentious tennis players ruining the game at the local level.
 

BlueB

Legend
If i ever get fed up with tennis, I'd just switch to pingpong...

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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Okay, so we already have had a discussion on pickleball lines being painted across tennis courts across the country, but does pickleball play trump tennis on tennis courts?

Enough is enough. Tennis courts were built for tennis. I already have to kick kids off who are skateboarding and biking on park courts, now I have to wait for old geezers to finish their hour pickleball game before I can catch a hit?

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why is this called pickelball ? is there any pickles involved ?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
why is this called pickelball ? is there any pickles involved ?
When will you learn searching?

Some sources claim that the name "Pickleball" was derived from that of the Pritchard's family dog, Pickles, or from the term "pickle boat", referring to the last boat to return with its catch.[4][6] But according to Joan Pritchard, Joel Pritchard's wife, the name came "after I said it reminded me of the Pickle Boat in crew where oarsmen were chosen from the leftovers of other boats. Somehow the idea the name came from our dog Pickles was attached to the naming of the game, but Pickles wasn't on the scene for two more years. The dog was named from the game."
 
Some sources claim that the name "Pickleball" was derived ... from the term "pickle boat", referring to the last boat to return with its catch.
How did they come up with the term "pickle boat"?--what's that got to do with fishing? I thought pickles were made from cucumbers--but maybe they are fished for, because they are soaked in brine, which is salty like the sea--or, cultured in the water like pearls or oysters--that could explain it. FYI, the best pickles are BUBBIES, pronounced like "bub" not "boob", as I was corrected by the lady in the pickle department at Gelson's. Pickle juice is safe to drink and prevents cramping--I've never witnessed a pickle ball player go down with a cramp.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
How did they come up with the term "pickle boat"?--what's that got to do with fishing? I thought pickles were made from cucumbers--but maybe they are fished for, because they are soaked in brine, which is salty like the sea--or, cultured in the water like pearls or oysters--that could explain it. FYI, the best pickles are BUBBIES, pronounced like "bub" not "boob", as I was corrected by the lady in the pickle department at Gelson's. Pickle juice is safe to drink and prevents cramping--I've never witnessed a pickle ball player go down with a cramp.
"The last boat to finish the race is called the 'pickle boat.' The origin of the name comes from English yachting, where the last boat was called the 'fisher.' The boatsused to stop to fish for herring and then pickle them, thus 'pickled herring.' The pickling required the boat to take even longer to come into port."
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
PIckles from cucumbers is a common case, and I think that too only in the US. Pickles is most other places don't refer to cucumbers but to onions, chilies, carrots, lemons, and meat.
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
And neither is tennis. The most important shots in tennis are groundstrokes and it does take some skill, but it doesn’t compare to a finessed PB dink kept low and hit multiple times with patience. Learning finesse volleys is not as important as learning ground strokes in tennis. IMO it’s a boring spectator sport with 70% of the points being lost from unforced errors. Even at the pro level. I would rather watch a 3.5 pickleball match, but that’s just me. I hope they don’t promote this pretentious and expensive sport in HS. It’s not a real sport.

You can flip your entire argument on to tennis. It’s not a matter of your opinion on whether you enjoy watching it or not. In fact, it actually is fairly boring to watch if you have no idea what’s going on. Even then it can become boring. That’s not grounds for you to dismiss something that people of all ages can participate in and be physically active WHILE keeping score. The very definition of a sport.

The only similarity between tennis and pickleball is that they share a common surface. Yes PB can be played on other material, but the ball used in pro/open tournaments is better suited to a hardcourt. Just like a regular duty ball is better suited to clay. People from tennis are transferring over to PB because of conceited and pretentious tennis players ruining the game at the local level.
Kenny, I love ya man, but I gotta interject here. You can flip whatever argument you like. But the reality is, tennis is in fact an Olympic sport. Professionals earn a living playing tennis, and the highest tier events are attended by thousands of people who pay for tickets to watch, and often televised (also factual). With those facts alone in mind...if you want to continue to assert the laughable position that tennis is not a sport, be my guest.

People from tennis are transferring over to PB because of conceited and pretentious tennis players ruining the game at the local level.
This is your opinion...and that’s fine. There are other reasons people are starting to play PB, though. Off the top of my head:

- Arguably lower learning curve than other racquet sports

- Less court to cover than tennis, so recreationally at least...fitness is potentially not as important

- PB continues to grow in popularity

Edit - I don’t intend to disparage PB by mentioning any of the above reasons - they’re just observations from my perspective (which may well be biased).

As much as I have work to do as a tennis player to accept PB...IME some PB players also have some work to do to remove the chip from their shoulders.
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
People from tennis are transferring over to PB because of conceited and pretentious tennis players ruining the game at the local level.
By the way...I have my doubts that PB is (or will continue to be) immune from the same or similar behavior. Whether or not PB is a sport, it is played competitively. Among other things, competition has a way of attracting unsavory behavior.
 

Kenny022593

Professional
By the way...I have my doubts that PB is (or will continue to be) immune from the same or similar behavior. Whether or not PB is a sport, it is played competitively. Among other things, competition has a way of attracting unsavory behavior.
I agree. I know there is a chip on some PB players shoulders as well, but it differs from tennis in my experience. The major aspect of the game that is changing right now is that it is going towards level based play at the rec level, just like tennis has done.

Lower level players get more and more fired up from the fact that higher levels don’t want to play with them. My understanding is that the game started as something all inclusive, but since it has widened in popularity that is beginning to go away and the veterans are struggling to grasp it.

I’ve also seen the flip side of PB players taking a dig at tennis, but not in a negative way. It’s always been that Pb will overtake tennis soon because it’s easier to play a game and keep a rally going. The beginning stages are easier to get through, but the intermediate stages are longer. Even at Balboa Park this summer we were able to jump on a tennis court and drill with most people just being curious as to what we were doing.

I don’t think the hostility that PB gets from parts of the tennis community is warranted from the credibility side of things. Through my sarcastic posts earlier ~~ I do agree shared space is a small problem, but it makes sense economically on more levels then one. Whether that be private or public sector.

Aside from the negativity I do think listening to the open/pro players talk about tennis and their backgrounds is pretty interesting too. Heck, there are a few active tennis professionals playing in women and men’s right now. A lot more tennis players have gotten into it this year as well, so it will be interesting to see how/if that continues and why.
 

Moonarse

Semi-Pro
As just an insight, In Brazil instead of the Pickleball boom, we got the Beach Tennis Hype. It is basically a beach volleyball game with a paddle similar to the pickle one and a tennis ball lighter and softer (like the kid ones). My town has no beach, so people started building sand boxes all around town, in parks and even in clubs. **** loads of them. My tennis club made 3 courts near the tennis ones, and they are alway packed 24/7.

It is not hard to get to the club and see all our tennis courts empty while the beach tennis ones are packed.

Why? Because you can get 4 grannys that never held a racket in they're lifes and after a 15 minute lesson be able to play a match with 5 to 6 ball rallies. And that's the fun of it! Sport is all about having fun.

what good would it be to put 4 housewives in the clay court and make them play a set? tennis is hard and absolutely frustrating.

Now they spend the whole day drinking beer and having fun getting a tan while experiencing only the good part of the sport.

The only thing that really bothers me is when they put music on like a beach club.

But anyway... I can see how I would be pissed if all this people had to use the clay courts for this...
 

tennytive

Professional
By the way...I have my doubts that PB is (or will continue to be) immune from the same or similar behavior. Whether or not PB is a sport, it is played competitively. Among other things, competition has a way of attracting unsavory behavior.
I've stopped showing up to one group precisely because of this. The non tennis players have no idea of what court etiquette is and have no respect for higher level players when in their minds, they feel entitled to preferential play both in time and personnel just because they've been playing longer or with the most expensive paddle/shoes, etc. It's aggravating, but attempting to educate them and improve their play falls on hearing aid turned off ears. Easiest path is to find other pursuits such as ping pong and pool to fill in and play with the higher rated levels somewhere else even if it means a 45 min drive vs a 5 minute walk.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
As just an insight, In Brazil instead of the Pickleball boom, we got the Beach Tennis Hype. It is basically a beach volleyball game with a paddle similar to the pickle one and a tennis ball lighter and softer (like the kid ones). My town has no beach, so people started building sand boxes all around town, in parks and even in clubs. **** loads of them. My tennis club made 3 courts near the tennis ones, and they are alway packed 24/7.

It is not hard to get to the club and see all our tennis courts empty while the beach tennis ones are packed.

Why? Because you can get 4 grannys that never held a racket in they're lifes and after a 15 minute lesson be able to play a match with 5 to 6 ball rallies. And that's the fun of it! Sport is all about having fun.

what good would it be to put 4 housewives in the clay court and make them play a set? tennis is hard and absolutely frustrating.

Now they spend the whole day drinking beer and having fun getting a tan while experiencing only the good part of the sport.

The only thing that really bothers me is when they put music on like a beach club.

But anyway... I can see how I would be pissed if all this people had to use the clay courts for this...
I think I would like Beach Tennis in Brazil.

 

MisterP

Hall of Fame
I’ve seen the ugly side of tennis players since PB started becoming more prevalent here. People I thought I respected crying about how loud PB is, and how they’re taking over our courts. Honestly, get over yourselves.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I’ve seen the ugly side of tennis players since PB started becoming more prevalent here. People I thought I respected crying about how loud PB is, and how they’re taking over our courts. Honestly, get over yourselves.
PB is loud and the sound of the impact is very annoying. Wait till you buy a condo with the great view and then they put a PB court in there and your head explodes.
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
I’ve seen the ugly side of tennis players since PB started becoming more prevalent here. People I thought I respected crying about how loud PB is, and how they’re taking over our courts. Honestly, get over yourselves.
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What do you expect? Tennis players and PB players playing together, singing kumbaya?

PB hasn’t been this popular for that long that PB players shouldn’t expect a little resistance from tennis players - especially when tennis players suddenly find themselves sharing courts with PB players.
 
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I was happy to see that in my town, there is a group building eight pickleball courts for the general public. They respect the many public tennis courts we have available and do not want to ruin them with more lines. I'm not against pickleball but I also don't think it needs to be available on all public courts.
Tennis lost the opportunity to promote 10-and-under tennis to seniors.

I had an interesting conversation with our club director, who is a 4.5 player but suffering from knee issues now. He said the lack of bounce of the pickleball and the inability to pick it up with the paddle causes players to bend a lot. On the one hand, it is good exercise (though for people with eyesight issues like me, the repeating bending cycles cause dizziness) but on the other, it should be a problem for older people. Yet they are turning to PB in large numbers. Isn't tennis more comfortable in that respect?
Surprised that so few people have taken to touchtennis - which I think is superior to PB. Ball bounces higher and is quieter (i.e. you don’t have a 3-Advil headache after listening to the Popping sound). There is a myth out there that you can’t get injured playing PB. I’ve heard of lots os instances of tennis elbow, knee and back tweaks.
 
If it is a public club, they need to take the community into account. I heard that many Parks and Rec departments are taking a close look at pickleball due to public demand
Yes it’s true - however many are discovering that bringing the two games together on the same courts seems to lead to endless conflict. Consequently, more are choosing to locate PB courts elsewhere.
 

5sets

Professional
As just an insight, In Brazil instead of the Pickleball boom, we got the Beach Tennis Hype. It is basically a beach volleyball game with a paddle similar to the pickle one and a tennis ball lighter and softer (like the kid ones). My town has no beach, so people started building sand boxes all around town, in parks and even in clubs. **** loads of them. My tennis club made 3 courts near the tennis ones, and they are alway packed 24/7.

It is not hard to get to the club and see all our tennis courts empty while the beach tennis ones are packed.

Why? Because you can get 4 grannys that never held a racket in they're lifes and after a 15 minute lesson be able to play a match with 5 to 6 ball rallies. And that's the fun of it! Sport is all about having fun.

what good would it be to put 4 housewives in the clay court and make them play a set? tennis is hard and absolutely frustrating.

Now they spend the whole day drinking beer and having fun getting a tan while experiencing only the good part of the sport.

The only thing that really bothers me is when they put music on like a beach club.

But anyway... I can see how I would be pissed if all this people had to use the clay courts for this...
Lol, yea looks cool and there’s miles of beach. It’s not like they are kicking children out of their sandcastle building area so they can play beach tennis.

I don’t have a personal vendetta against the sport of pickle ball; it’s the fact that people are playing it on public tennis courts when others of us want to play tennis. The very fact that it’s called a ‘tennis court’ should mean they should go set up at an abandoned parking lot or somewhere else if they want to dink the pickle ball around.


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I don’t have a personal vendetta against the sport of pickle ball; it’s the fact that people are playing it on public tennis courts when others of us want to play tennis.
Yah, people exercising and having fun is always good--painting lines that confuse on tennis courts--not so much fun if you're trying to ROS. But, "tennis" has no one to blame but itself for not protecting it's courts from invaders. If you leave a house empty and it appears abandoned, squatters will come and shoot-up in it. And, by law in some jurisdictions, after a set amount of time you can claim it yours under "squatter's rights" laws, and have the privilege of paying taxes on it and it's yours! Courts around me are going empty--maybe USTA Manhattan should look into this. I heard about a pickle-ball intro event being held on an indoor basketball gym floor--I'm sure the ballers will roll-over and play dead when their hoops are under siege. Fut-sal is another threat to tennis courts.
 
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