Pistol Pete with a message for Roger...

Omega_7000

Legend
"Lol no" isn't exactly a counterargument to the argument that Fed isn't in the same fast court league as Pete due to the fact that Fed won 1 fast court slam compared to Pete's 12.

The "if not for Nadal Fed would have x RG" has been done and dispelled to death. If Fed lived in the 90s with gut and the clay court specialized tour, he would be lucky to make a single final, since he'd have to specialize for medium and fast if he wanted to win Wimbles and the Open with regularity.
How the hell is he supposed to win fast court slams if there aren't any fast court slams...What kinda argument is that. Based on his performance in the selct few tournaments like Cincinnati, indoor tournaments etc. and back when he was dominating US open when it was fast, we can tell he is one of the best of all time on faster courts. So definitely in the same league as Pete.

Dispelled to death by who? You? No it hasn't. You take Nadal out and he would most definitely have 4 to 5 RG's. Borg also played without poly and won on grass and clay. Federer's all court game translates well across multiple surfaces. You have to be blind to not admit that he is in a different league on clay compared to Pete.
 

Herald

Hall of Fame
How the hell is he supposed to win fast court slams if there aren't any fast court slams...What kinda argument is that. Based on his performance in the selct few tournaments like Cincinnati, indoor tournaments etc. and back when he was dominating US open when it was fast, we can tell he is one of the best of all time on faster courts. So definitely in the same league as Pete.

Dispelled to death by who? You? No it hasn't. You take Nadal out and he would most definitely have 4 to 5 RG's. Borg also played without poly and won on grass and clay. Federer's all court game translates well across multiple surfaces. You have to be blind to not admit that he is in a different league on clay compared to Pete.
How is Pete supposed to win in a poly era of clay courts without specialists if there aren't isn't any poly and a field without clay court specialists? It is what it is, and the scoreboard is 12-1 since there was only one fast US Open. You can't really argue that. None of Fed's tournaments, Cincinnati, indoor etc. were fast. They were medium at best. Pete and other greats have even pointed out that Roger doesn't have people pressuring him because the slower grass means the margins are bigger and it's hard to upset the player. As a Pistol fan I'd think you'd know that.

Borg did it, so what? How does that translate to Federer? Since you're happy to translate his one fast US Open to mean he's just as good as Pete on fast, I'm going to translate his embarrassing straight set loss to Horna in 2003 when he'd win his first slam a few weeks later, and his even more embarrassing loss to Guga, who had just returned from a hip surgery during his first dominant year of 2004, to mean he would have been destroyed in the 90s era with an entire field of purely clay court specialists and no poly to enhance his topspin on his backhand to cover up for its inconsistency. So yes, it has been dispelled to death. Federer was destroyed on clay when he played in an era with a bit of variety, and started excelling across all surfaces when they were homogenized. And you know what? Rodger himself, as usual, tells us the truth in these matters:

ROGER FEDERER: Since a long time, yes. This is not new. Maybe there's more talk about it now. I think, like before, as the surfaces get more equal, everybody can pile up more Grand Slam wins, like I did. It was the reason for me probably to pass Sampras by having the surfaces be more equal.

I trust Roger.
 

Hoi Polloi

Professional
The best fast court players of all time. If only Fed had a nickname as epic as Pistol though
Never heard Pistol Pete before.
Is that how they call him at home?

Federer is the “Maestro“, even my grandma knows it.
She asked me last week whether Roger would lose his #1-ranking now, maybe to that Alcatraz kid or to Zverev? :p
 

wangs78

Legend
Never heard Pistol Pete before.
Is that how they call him at home?

Federer is the “Maestro“, even my grandma knows it.
She asked me last week whether Roger would lose his #1-ranking now, maybe to that Alcatraz kid or to Zverev? :p
Pete has been known as Pistol Pete since early in his career. However, his tribute video to Roger was the first time I saw him refer to himself as "Pistol".
 
LOL. He's a Republican. California used to be a Republican stronghold once. From 1952 to 1992, California voted for the Republican candidate for US president every time except 1964.

Now they're all living for red states because no one can afford to live in a blue. LOL.. Come on down to Texas Pete
 
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