Placement of a Kick-Serve Ball Toss vs. Execution of Biomechanics

Do you use a consistent leg drive(only for the purpose of gaining a higher angle) on serve?

  • Yes

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happyandbob

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Peter P is ageless

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Peter P doesn't age, he levels up

Peter P has never cheated death. He wins fair and square.

Peter P has to restring his racquet after every shot. Sometimes twice after every shot.
 
Digital Atheist

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onehandbh said:
@cr623
FYI, as far as I know, @J011yroger is the only person on TTW that has posted a video of a serve that is a legit 120+ mph. I think he even hit a 100+ serve using a wood racquet.

A lot of other people claiming to have 100+ serves but they all somehow are unable to record and post a video. They must be sasquatch serves.
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Just like all the people that can throw a ball over the back fence from the opposite service line, who even engage in such a thread but never offer the evidence.
 
J011yroger

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Digital Atheist said:
Just like all the people that can throw a ball over the back fence from the opposite service line, who even engage in such a thread but never offer the evidence.
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Ya Boi put a ball into orbit at holiday camp when I was teaching the green ball kids how to throw.

I don't know about all you old timers on the internet but I impressed the heck out of a bunch of 8&9 year Olds.

J
 
CAREDDINGTON

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But Nick Kyrgios ball placement compensates for the lack of internal shoulder rotation. His height, mass, and sheer distance he throws the ball away from himself, combined with the fact he hits the ball lower than normal, allows him to hit massive serves.
 
J011yroger

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cr623 said:
But Nick Kyrgios ball placement compensates for the lack of internal shoulder rotation. His height, mass, and sheer distance he throws the ball away from himself, combined with the fact he hits the ball lower than normal, allows him to hit massive serves.
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Well aren't you dumber than a bag of hammers.

J
 
Curious

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cr623 said:
But Nick Kyrgios ball placement compensates for the lack of internal shoulder rotation.
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This is correct. In a recent interview I heard him say he finally realised that the missing part with his serve preventing him from hitting 260kph serves was his lack of internal shoulder rotation and he was working on it now with Mark Kovacs.
 
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Curious said:
This is correct. In a recent interview I heard him say he finally realised that the missing part with his serve preventing him from hitting 260kph serves was his lack of internal shoulder rotation and he was working on it now with Mark Kovacs.
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Correct. However Kyrgios will soon realize that in order to gain the full potential out of internal shoulder rotation he will have to throw the ball higher in order to make contact at a higher angle. This is counterproductive to how he executes his serve. So really, his serve will not be getting any faster anytime soon. Trade power for spin, spin for power. Catch 22
 
CAREDDINGTON

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I believe Kyrgios should be working more on his approach into the ball and follow-through after contact. If he would bring the ball closer to him three or four inches and hit it a couple seconds earlier he would maximize his leg drive. Also, if he would capitalize on tucking-and-flailing his arm while making contact at peak, he would be able to generate greater spin with his form, as of right now. This would allow the internal shoulder rotation to match his hip rotation, bringing his arm further up-and-out. Just my two-sense. That's the facts, if you doubt it research it.
 
CAREDDINGTON

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When it comes to serves, and serves only, I believe Kyrgios should be taking some tips from his countryman, Sam Groth, he has maximized every potential aspect of the serve. Maybe Kyrgios just needs to gain a couple pounds.
 
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cr623 said:
You do realize that those two fields are highly intertwined and is justified that anyone who understands the serve must also understand biomechanics.
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After Xen I'm the most knowledgeable and skilled tennis expert here and I don't believe you, so you'll need him to confirm this is true otherwise I will NOT believe you.
 
socallefty

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cr623 said:
Just because I trolled you on who I was does not mean I cannot hit the serve. Lol
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What is the reason for lying about who you are? It doesn’t make any sense if you are a good player already and the only explanation is that you are not.

And no shame about being caught in a brazen act of deception? You don’t sound like a 17-year old either and so at this point nothing you posted so far seems believable.
 
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socallefty said:
What is the reason for lying about who you are? It doesn’t make any sense if you are a good player already and the only explanation is that you are not.

And no shame about being caught in a brazen act of deception? You don’t sound like a 17-year old either and so at this point nothing you posted so far seems believable.
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In my professional opinion this is actually very believable. Both the general mindset and the errors made would be consistent.
 
CAREDDINGTON

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socallefty said:
What is the reason for lying about who you are? It doesn’t make any sense if you are a good player already and the only explanation is that you are not.

And no shame about being caught in a brazen act of deception? You don’t sound like a 17-year old either and so at this point nothing you posted so far seems believable.
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So how do I sound?
 
CAREDDINGTON

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matterer said:
After Xen I'm the most knowledgeable and skilled tennis expert here and I don't believe you, so you'll need him to confirm this is true otherwise I will NOT believe you.
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If you were skilled you would realize this is true. This is simple mechanics of tennis, man. Do your research.
 
CAREDDINGTON

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Well, you all have beat up on this guy enough right now. Whenever you see
matterer said:
After Xen I'm the most knowledgeable and skilled tennis expert here and I don't believe you, so you'll need him to confirm this is true otherwise I will NOT believe you.
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Confirm it with who? Kyrgios? I am sorry that I rained on your parade when it comes to his technique, however that's how it is. Sincerely, go research it. You must not have gotten the memo.
 
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tendency

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cr623 said:
Over 85 percent on all. After 3 hours of serving every day for 2 years you become very consistent. However, if you had to rank, my topspin is probably most consistent.
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Not percentage when practicing, what is your match percentage? I know a couple ATP pros that would kill to have an 80% first serve in games lol. Is it just me or is anyone else's BS detector going off? :D
 
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matterer

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cr623 said:
Well, you all have beat up on this guy enough right now. Whenever you see

Confirm it with who? Kyrgios? I am sorry that I rained on your parade when it comes to his technique, however that's how it is. Sincerely, go research it. You must not have gotten the memo.
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You don't come to Talk Tennis and talk to a man like matterer like that! I made my bones when you were serving in a birthday hat. My UTR is much higher than yours.

Sincerely,
Matterer
 
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cr623 said:
Does not mean I am a complete troll. Could just mean Peter P was under exaggerated.
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I for one (among others) was willing to give the benefit of the doubt, even after the Peter P incident. But you had a chance to prove all the naysayers wrong with that video you were uploading (the one I offered to help with). It still hasn't arrived, and until it does, I would say it is fully justified to place you in that camp. If you don't like that, there is an easy solution.
 
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socallefty said:
What is the reason for lying about who you are? It doesn’t make any sense if you are a good player already and the only explanation is that you are not.

And no shame about being caught in a brazen act of deception? You don’t sound like a 17-year old either and so at this point nothing you posted so far seems believable.
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He did mention CapCut, which is actually a real piece of software, so that part is believable.
 
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travlerajm said:
What profession? Not saying I don’t agree with your opinion.
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Genius for hire, of course, or however you would define that within a staid business context. I'm honestly having trouble clearly articulating it + the value add, which is holding me back from pursuing clients as aggressively as I should be. While knowledgeable about many things and very good at analyzing problems for others or helping them work through those problems themselves, selling people on myself has unfortunately always been one of my weakest skills. If you have any pointers on this actually I would be very receptive.

Also in this case I did use it a bit cheekily in reference to my own prodigious experience with the art form. I'm (mostly) retired from creation at this point but easy to see my younger self in the words he is using.
 
travlerajm

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optic yellow said:
Genius for hire, of course, or however you would define that within a staid business context. I'm honestly having trouble clearly articulating it + the value add, which is holding me back from pursuing clients as aggressively as I should be. While knowledgeable about many things and very good at analyzing problems for others or helping them work through those problems themselves, selling people on myself has unfortunately always been one of my weakest skills. If you have any pointers on this actually I would be very receptive.

Also in this case I did use it a bit cheekily in reference to my own prodigious experience with the art form. I'm (mostly) retired from creation at this point but easy to see my younger self in the words he is using.
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I will save your card to have at the ready for when my next crisis arises.
 
Digital Atheist

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optic yellow said:
Genius for hire, of course, or however you would define that within a staid business context. I'm honestly having trouble clearly articulating it + the value add, which is holding me back from pursuing clients as aggressively as I should be. While knowledgeable about many things and very good at analyzing problems for others or helping them work through those problems themselves, selling people on myself has unfortunately always been one of my weakest skills. If you have any pointers on this actually I would be very receptive.

Also in this case I did use it a bit cheekily in reference to my own prodigious experience with the art form. I'm (mostly) retired from creation at this point but easy to see my younger self in the words he is using.
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Since you mentioned creation, although the above is somewhat vague (that may be deliberate) I guess you've heard of Chris No?

There is so much good stuff on that channel, and the role playing exercises with your everyday difficult client are amazing.

Now, back to that 115mph serve!
 
CAREDDINGTON

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matterer said:
You don't come to Talk Tennis and talk to a man like matterer like that! I made my bones when you were serving in a birthday hat. My UTR is much higher than yours.

Sincerely,
Matterer
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A 6 or 7 UTR is not high, my man. I'll put my serve on here when I feel all of you are ready, plus I have too many tournaments and not enough time right now.

PS: Just know you will be taking back what you have said.
-SR
 
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Dear fellow TT posters, lets protect this very fine tennis community from various internet trolls.

First rule when encountering a Troll, is not to feed but ignore.

I highly recommend not to engage in any kind discussion with a Troll, leave them alone and hopefully they will find other places to get attention from.
 
travlerajm

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Happi said:
Dear fellow TT posters, lets protect this very fine tennis community from various internet trolls.

First rule when encountering a Troll, is not to feed but ignore.

I highly recommend not to engage in any kind discussion with a Troll, leave them alone and hopefully they will find other places to get attention from.
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I am still giving this troll a chance to post his video and redeem himself.
 
J011yroger

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Happi said:
Dear fellow TT posters, lets protect this very fine tennis community from various internet trolls.

First rule when encountering a Troll, is not to feed but ignore.

I highly recommend not to engage in any kind discussion with a Troll, leave them alone and hopefully they will find other places to get attention from.
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Don't tell me how to live my life.

J
 
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