Plantar fasciitis
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Fintft
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So walk barefoot or not for PF?
But speaking about cushioning, I've just cut the heel part of my stock insoles and made mini insoles, that I place under my Dr Scholl's gel running ones, on my clay shoes GR9s. It might be too muchy cushioning but I've been having a bit of plantar fascitiis on my left foot, where the mini insole would be, close to the back of my sole.
Two pair of socks might be too tight fit in the toes area, whereas with this setup at the most I'll get heel slipage (despite the runners' knot I'm using).
I'll try some custom insoles next, but it will be 3 weeks until I can see my doctor (her replacement) and get a prescription.
Need to lose some weight as well, b/c not only am I build like a power forward or Tsonga at 6'2" (1.88m), but I carry 20LBs extra this winter, compared to last summer.
Plus playing daily, sometimes with good aggressive hitters, is not ideal healthwise when you are older.
But speaking about cushioning, I've just cut the heel part of my stock insoles and made mini insoles, that I place under my Dr Scholl's gel running ones, on my clay shoes GR9s. It might be too muchy cushioning but I've been having a bit of plantar fascitiis on my left foot, where the mini insole would be, close to the back of my sole.
Two pair of socks might be too tight fit in the toes area, whereas with this setup at the most I'll get heel slipage (despite the runners' knot I'm using).
I'll try some custom insoles next, but it will be 3 weeks until I can see my doctor (her replacement) and get a prescription.
Need to lose some weight as well, b/c not only am I build like a power forward or Tsonga at 6'2" (1.88m), but I carry 20LBs extra this winter, compared to last summer.
Plus playing daily, sometimes with good aggressive hitters, is not ideal healthwise when you are older.
WildVolley
Legend
If you can walk barefoot without much pain, then I support doing it. It's been over a decade since my PF and haven't had any issue. I'm able to spend most of my time barefoot these days and I use it to strengthen my feet doing toe curls, calf raises, etc.
I suggest that you do negative heel drops on a pair of stairs, barefoot if possible but not necessary. Also, see if you can keep your foot dorsiflexed at night with a PF sock (something like a Straussburg sock) so that your heel tissue will not be torn when you step on the floor in the morning. I'd be careful about shoes that pinch your forefoot. I have duck like feet and Asics shoes that were too tight in the toe box contributed to my PF.
Losing weight and taking more rest time might be necessary if you really want to get rid of the PF. I'd also suggest collagen supplements and things like bone broth, animal based gelatin, and vitamin C either from supplements or fruit to help with the healing. Good luck.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Yeah negative heel drops seem to help(2 days latter my pain seems to be gone).
Will tale collagen, eating tons of citrus fruits already.
Will try the 1/2 insoles, under my gel ones tomorrow, thanks.
It's been a decade since my first PF.
Chas Tennis
G.O.A.T.
My PF was some years ago. I do not remember well but one thing seemed to be a factor for me -
I requested a Dr's referral for examination of my PF. I don't remember it well.
But I asked the podiatrist for a separate examination of the posture of my foot and was referred to a physical therapist. She found that my big toes were very stiff. She watched me walk toward her and said that I did not flex my big toe to step forward because my big toes were too stiff, but turned my feet outward. You can see people with this issue when walking toward them on a city street, and it is age related.
Always ask for a separate posture analysis after seeing a Dr for a tennis injury.
The PT described a stretch for me to pull on my big toe to bend it up. It was very hard to do, to get much stretch. (My wife can bend her big toe up easily with a finger.)
I read about minimalist shoes and got some. I posted earlier in a thread and on minimalist shoes and found an excellent book on the m. shoes.
I found that many tennis shoes are very stiff and believe that was a factor in my toe stiffness and maybe my PF. I have avoided shoes that do not allow the big toe joint to bend or have very thick soles. With minimalist shoes, and flexible tennis shoes and other flexible shoes, I could easily apply my weight and bend my big toe joints for a stretch. I have returned new tennis shoes because they are too stiff.
My PF went away at some time back then after the physical therapist's recommendation to stretch my big toe. The PF has not returned. I probably posted on these things.
I requested a Dr's referral for examination of my PF. I don't remember it well.
But I asked the podiatrist for a separate examination of the posture of my foot and was referred to a physical therapist. She found that my big toes were very stiff. She watched me walk toward her and said that I did not flex my big toe to step forward because my big toes were too stiff, but turned my feet outward. You can see people with this issue when walking toward them on a city street, and it is age related.
Always ask for a separate posture analysis after seeing a Dr for a tennis injury.
The PT described a stretch for me to pull on my big toe to bend it up. It was very hard to do, to get much stretch. (My wife can bend her big toe up easily with a finger.)
I read about minimalist shoes and got some. I posted earlier in a thread and on minimalist shoes and found an excellent book on the m. shoes.
I found that many tennis shoes are very stiff and believe that was a factor in my toe stiffness and maybe my PF. I have avoided shoes that do not allow the big toe joint to bend or have very thick soles. With minimalist shoes, and flexible tennis shoes and other flexible shoes, I could easily apply my weight and bend my big toe joints for a stretch. I have returned new tennis shoes because they are too stiff.
My PF went away at some time back then after the physical therapist's recommendation to stretch my big toe. The PF has not returned. I probably posted on these things.
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Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Are you light or heavy? B/c minimalist shoes and thin, stock insoles, with all that pounding might not provide enough cushioning for heavy people...
Chas Tennis
G.O.A.T.
Agree.
192 lbs now, 205 then I guess. I did not use minimalist shoes for tennis then. I went to more flexible shoes in general and my big toes became more flexible, including with some deliberate stretching. I believe that I posted on my PF experience.
Now, my recent 2023-24 foot pain issues involve calluses and my first corn from very prominent 5th Metatarsal bones on the sides of my feet. Too complicated to describe here, but first promising results in the last few days - with wider shoes, spacers at the 5th Ms shoe sides and a corn pad on the bottom edge of my foot. If it works I'll post.
5th Metatarsal thread - needs to be updated.
Pain at Both 5th Metatarsals?
UPDATE - Diagnosed as a corn on the end of the 5th Metatarsal - see post #12. The 5th Metatarsal is the long bone on the outside of the foot, it goes to the little toe. There are 5th M injuries, some of which are caused by trauma. My pains are near the Cuboids. Cuboid injury can cause pain...
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Fintft
G.O.A.T.
1/2 stock insoles under my regular gel ones (Dr Scholl's) didn't work too well for PF and I mean movement wise as they were too wobbly.
Luckly it was just practice with a weaker partner.
I'll try to get custom insoles in 3 weeks or so, meanwhile alternating rest days for half a week and then take half a week off. Colagen and stretching(heel drops).
Luckly it was just practice with a weaker partner.
I'll try to get custom insoles in 3 weeks or so, meanwhile alternating rest days for half a week and then take half a week off. Colagen and stretching(heel drops).
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ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
I am commenting here because I just recently starting getting Plantar fasciitis warning signs playing pickleball. I had it once in tennis, and don’t want it again. PF and Achilles has been a common complaint from PB players (all ages). I think it’s because pickleball is a biaaatch on calves (wiffle doesn’t bounce for sh.!.t 
).
I have fought off warning signs from jumpers knee, calves and Achilles this year. I would give almost all of the credit to a cheap massage gun from Am@z@n … soft head used on calves before I play seems like a small miracle. I have had days where stiff Achilles just disappeared during a couple of minute massage on a calf.
Also throw in some stretches, but seriously… it’s the massage gun.
So I have pretty much got past tight Achilles … but you always wonder if you are just masking the problem and one day injury will bite you. I have started to think more about building capacity to match frequency of play.
I have to keep the routine simple, and done from house before heading out to play or I won’t stick with it. This is what I have come up with so far.
before I leave the house:
- massage gun on calves, both gastrocnemius and soleus
- body weight squats … going to shoot for 50 a day (20 before playing)
- heel raises, both straight leg, and bent knee (bent hits Soleus) - Achilles and PF
- body weight single leg good mornings - hamstrings
Not sure what is good for non-weight lifting 65 year old, but 50 body weight squats at one time gets my attention.
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I have walked around indoors in socks on hardwood floors for years and I lean towards thinking that made my feet stronger. If heel raises are good, why not your feet becoming strong enough to walk barefoot/socks. I guess the tricky part is with early signs of injury/inflammation … how long to protect/mask.
Never thought about it … maybe shoes mask our lack of capacity. Makes sense … the right shoe/insole can make all the difference. The off brand Fitville shoe I am using now is the first time in decades I don’t require an insole replacement.
).I have fought off warning signs from jumpers knee, calves and Achilles this year. I would give almost all of the credit to a cheap massage gun from Am@z@n … soft head used on calves before I play seems like a small miracle. I have had days where stiff Achilles just disappeared during a couple of minute massage on a calf.
Also throw in some stretches, but seriously… it’s the massage gun.
So I have pretty much got past tight Achilles … but you always wonder if you are just masking the problem and one day injury will bite you. I have started to think more about building capacity to match frequency of play.
I have to keep the routine simple, and done from house before heading out to play or I won’t stick with it. This is what I have come up with so far.
before I leave the house:
- massage gun on calves, both gastrocnemius and soleus
- body weight squats … going to shoot for 50 a day (20 before playing)
- heel raises, both straight leg, and bent knee (bent hits Soleus) - Achilles and PF
- body weight single leg good mornings - hamstrings
Not sure what is good for non-weight lifting 65 year old, but 50 body weight squats at one time gets my attention.
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I have walked around indoors in socks on hardwood floors for years and I lean towards thinking that made my feet stronger. If heel raises are good, why not your feet becoming strong enough to walk barefoot/socks. I guess the tricky part is with early signs of injury/inflammation … how long to protect/mask.
Never thought about it … maybe shoes mask our lack of capacity. Makes sense … the right shoe/insole can make all the difference. The off brand Fitville shoe I am using now is the first time in decades I don’t require an insole replacement.
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ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
The one time I got PF playing tennis (early 30s), I bought expensive custom orthotics, and they didn’t help. Also … hated the 3/4 length thing. If you get them, consider full length if available. When I had to search for Sof Sole Airr Othortic replacement (they quit making the exact one I was used to), I found out you can actually introduce issues you are trying to solve. For example, tried the Sole Active that is highly rated … warm in oven and then get custom fit by standing on it. Hated it … so did wife … too firm for us.
I ended up using the new version of Sof Sole Airr Othortic … it was close enough to original and what worked best for my feet. The problem with them are they are on the heavier end for insoles, so weighted down the shoes more. Now … with a shoe that I don’t have to replace insole, really enjoying lighter shoes.
Good luck … PF sucks and all of our feet are different so hard to figure out what works. I recently went to an orthopedic surgeon to discuss mild big toe issue. While there I asked him to measure my arch so I could be more informed on insole purchases. He said they have found that with insoles it really comes down to what feels best and works for the individual … back to try and return.
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I think I will order cheap PF socks on Am@z@n … don’t think that cures anything, but if comfortable and helps at all keeping the PF demons away why not.
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Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
First PF then a Heel Spur. Loved those examinations 25 yrs ago. Then an injection through the side of my heel. Bliss.................not!
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Trade you on your injection … mine was right in the arch … didn’t even know that torture technique existed. During followup visit … doc reaches for syringe drawer. I immediately said something like “yeah … that ain’t happening again”. Doc smiled and said ok … pretty sure he doesn’t get a 2nd bite at the apple very often.
All that $ spent there including custom orthodics, and cheap mesh flexible New Balance tennis shoes cured me in 2 weeks. Those stiff indestructible soles at the time killed my arches … but did protect against toe dragging on serve.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Wore the CT-790 for yrs. NB sent a new pr. whenever I wore the original pr. wore down. Kiss of Death, NB replaced the 790 with the CT-800. Switched to Adidas and kept using them till the present over 20 yrs.Trade you on your injection … mine was right in the arch … didn’t even know that torture technique existed. During followup visit … doc reaches for syringe drawer. I immediately said something like “yeah … that ain’t happening again”. Doc smiled and said ok … pretty sure he doesn’t get a 2nd bite at the apple very often. Teammate had an experience with an injjection while he was sitting in a metal folding chair........................he bent the lip of the chair upwards while the torture Doc wiggled the needle to spread that thick goo in his foot.
All that $ spent there including custom orthodics, and cheap mesh flexible New Balance tennis shoes cured me in 2 weeks. Those stiff indestructible soles at the time killed my arches … but did protect against toe dragging on serve.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
I wore New Balance for 20+ years until their 4E became a 3E.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Which box do you wear now?
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Fitville X-Wide
FitVille Men‘s Wide Pickleball Shoes All Court Tennis Shoes with Arch Support for Plantar Fasciitis https://a.co/d/8bF6Pzv
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Omg, discovered the Fitville site this morning before your post. It's a small world especially when you have wide feet. Fred & Barney concurs
Fitville X-Wide
FitVille Men‘s Wide Pickleball Shoes All Court Tennis Shoes with Arch Support for Plantar Fasciitis https://a.co/d/8bF6Pzv
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Your choices are limited for us Hobbits. I have three pair I am rotating, and 2 pair in reserve. I keep timing sales, and want more in the vault. I have been met with marital tension … hurts to be called a hoarder.
She does have a point, I still have several pair of Costco “sports shoe” in closet. Truth is … when I get them around $50ish, and don’t have to buy my usual $40 Sof Sole Airr Orthotics … I am way ahead. I could replace with new shoes every three months and be way ahead. Shoes break down even when they still look fine.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Question for arch impaired peeps
I am questioning the utility/risk of buying PF socks for use during play.
1) I already have shoes and arch support that has proven to be a good match for 6+ months. To me, a PF compression sock during play would be trivial to actual arch support of shoe.
2) I am pretty much past Achilles tendinopathy … and it occurs to me arch compression might actually transfer more load to Achilles. I assume the load is shared across plantar fasciitis, Achilles and calves. Achilles rupture scares me WAY more than PF.
I have searched, and didn’t find any consensus view, in fact there was not agreement that PF socks worked at all.
What say you hurt feet peeps?
I am questioning the utility/risk of buying PF socks for use during play.
1) I already have shoes and arch support that has proven to be a good match for 6+ months. To me, a PF compression sock during play would be trivial to actual arch support of shoe.
2) I am pretty much past Achilles tendinopathy … and it occurs to me arch compression might actually transfer more load to Achilles. I assume the load is shared across plantar fasciitis, Achilles and calves. Achilles rupture scares me WAY more than PF.
I have searched, and didn’t find any consensus view, in fact there was not agreement that PF socks worked at all.
What say you hurt feet
peeps?
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Hoarder is a dirty word. Still splaining why I have Barricades from 10 yrs ago in the box in a closet. Wifey took over an entire bedroom for her shoes. Niece has an entire wall of Crocs. Shoes look great but lose their cushioning??? Like a brick in a fine upperYour choices are limited for us Hobbits. I have three pair I am rotating, and 2 pair in reserve. I keep timing sales, and want more in the vault. I have been met with marital tension … hurts to be called a hoarder.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Good point … think of the irony of men being called out for “too many shoes”.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
A Dream A Simple Fantasy,
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
To be completely serious.........................anyone use the Aetrex Foot Scanner for an insole? https://www.aetrex.com/technology.h...MIpr35m6DygwMVq25HAR3TPwdhEAAYASAAEgJrePD_BwE
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Do they have a clay version?
Fitville X-Wide
FitVille Men‘s Wide Pickleball Shoes All Court Tennis Shoes with Arch Support for Plantar Fasciitis https://a.co/d/8bF6Pzv
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
I don’t see any labeled clay. I didn’t play much on clay, and the few times I did just used same tennis shoes I play hard courts.
fwiw … this is what the soles look like:
Had a good laugh yesterday … 3 out of the 4 of us playing pickleball yesterday were playing in the same Fitville shoe. The consensus was we all loved the shoe … cushioning/comfort. Factor in we are all 60+ and not covering dimensions of a tennis court. To me, they feel like the same quality and support of tennis shoes I have worn in the past (mainly New Balance), but not sure how the soles would hold up. I would assume fine for clay. If I played tennis again, I would be wearing them.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
For clay, if you want to move, you better have clay shoes unless you are a coach playing a beginner, imho.I don’t see any labeled clay. I didn’t play much on clay, and the few times I did just used same tennis shoes I play hard courts.
fwiw … this is what the soles look like:
Had a good laugh yesterday … 3 out of the 4 of us playing pickleball yesterday were playing in the same Fitville shoe. The consensus was we all loved the shoe … cushioning/comfort. Factor in we are all 60+ and not covering dimensions of a tennis court. To me, they feel like the same quality and support of tennis shoes I have worn in the past (mainly New Balance), but not sure how the soles would hold up. I would assume fine for clay. If I played tennis again, I would be wearing them.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
So … as I posted, I started getting mild PF early warning signs a couple of weeks ago.
- I did buy socks advertised as PF socks … brand Iseasoo. To me, they feel like light compression and am only wearing them when I am on the court. As far as I can tell … not helping or hurting … comfortable … will keep wearing.
- I have limited how much I walk inside house barefoot/socks … I do think this is helping keeping twinges away. Once pf twinges are gone, will go back to socks inside.
- I ice after playing. Just a small spot (less than size of quarter) in arch area of both feet. Just an ice cube wrapped in a paper towel (single layer of paper towel between cube and arch) and only for a couple of minutes per foot. I was going to ice entire arch, but feeling around with my fingers and thumb there was no soreness other than the small areas. I’ve had luck with the cube/paper towel for short timeframe on my big toe joint, so gave it a try. It seems to be helpful for the pf twinges so far. I am suspect of ice on tendons … and I guess plantar fascia is a ligament … except early in injury. Well … it’s early.
- The most helpful … switched to brand new shoes even though the shoes I have been wearing doesn’t show a lot of wear. I immediately felt the difference in arch support putting new shoes on (surprising because without comparison shoes still felt great). I had three shoes I rotated for 5 months playing on average 6-10 hours a week. Call it 2 months play per pair. At this point, I will just replace shoes more often, luckily shoe is moderately priced. With my tennis shoes in the past I would often just replace insole and still be good to go with shoes with some wear. I am easy on shoes in general.
- probably will cut back to 2 times a week instead of 3-4 until the pf twinge is totally gone … and/or limit to 2 hours rather than the 3+ hours sessions.
- I did buy socks advertised as PF socks … brand Iseasoo. To me, they feel like light compression and am only wearing them when I am on the court. As far as I can tell … not helping or hurting … comfortable … will keep wearing.
- I have limited how much I walk inside house barefoot/socks … I do think this is helping keeping twinges away. Once pf twinges are gone, will go back to socks inside.
- I ice after playing. Just a small spot (less than size of quarter) in arch area of both feet. Just an ice cube wrapped in a paper towel (single layer of paper towel between cube and arch) and only for a couple of minutes per foot. I was going to ice entire arch, but feeling around with my fingers and thumb there was no soreness other than the small areas. I’ve had luck with the cube/paper towel for short timeframe on my big toe joint, so gave it a try. It seems to be helpful for the pf twinges so far. I am suspect of ice on tendons … and I guess plantar fascia is a ligament … except early in injury. Well … it’s early.
- The most helpful … switched to brand new shoes even though the shoes I have been wearing doesn’t show a lot of wear. I immediately felt the difference in arch support putting new shoes on (surprising because without comparison shoes still felt great). I had three shoes I rotated for 5 months playing on average 6-10 hours a week. Call it 2 months play per pair. At this point, I will just replace shoes more often, luckily shoe is moderately priced. With my tennis shoes in the past I would often just replace insole and still be good to go with shoes with some wear. I am easy on shoes in general.
- probably will cut back to 2 times a week instead of 3-4 until the pf twinge is totally gone … and/or limit to 2 hours rather than the 3+ hours sessions.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Yes new shoes (expensive, top of the line Asics + Dr Scholls gel insoles) helped me also for a couple of weeks, then I got pain again and today it almost felt that I've ruptured it (with the same advanced player). Stretches have helped before and after, like heel drops on a stair.So … as I posted, I started getting mild PF early warning signs a couple of weeks ago.
- I did buy socks advertised as PF socks … brand Iseasoo. To me, they feel like light compression and am only wearing them when I am on the court. As far as I can tell … not helping or hurting … comfortable … will keep wearing.
- I have limited how much I walk inside house barefoot/socks … I do think this is helping keeping twinges away. Once pf twinges are gone, will go back to socks inside.
- I ice after playing. Just a small spot (less than size of quarter) in arch area of both feet. Just an ice cube wrapped in a paper towel (single layer of paper towel between cube and arch) and only for a couple of minutes per foot. I was going to ice entire arch, but feeling around with my fingers and thumb there was no soreness other than the small areas. I’ve had luck with the cube/paper towel for short timeframe on my big toe joint, so gave it a try. It seems to be helpful for the pf twinges so far. I am suspect of ice on tendons … and I guess plantar fascia is a ligament … except early in injury. Well … it’s early.
- The most helpful … switched to brand new shoes even though the shoes I have been wearing doesn’t show a lot of wear. I immediately felt the difference in arch support putting new shoes on (surprising because without comparison shoes still felt great). I had three shoes I rotated for 5 months playing on average 6-10 hours a week. Call it 2 months play per pair. At this point, I will just replace shoes more often, luckily shoe is moderately priced. With my tennis shoes in the past I would often just replace insole and still be good to go with shoes with some wear. I am easy on shoes in general.
- probably will cut back to 2 times a week instead of 3-4 until the pf twinge is totally gone … and/or limit to 2 hours rather than the 3+ hours sessions.
I will not walk in socks and slippers anymore indoor, but in soft shoes with gel insoles. Will ice in a minute.
Will see a doctor next week and ask for referals for orthodics, physio and a sports injury doctor.
Have to lose the extra weight (compared to the fall) and limit playing daily 2h singles.
GL!
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Sorry to hear it’s flaring up so bad for you. When I had it bad the one time (tennis, late 20s or early 30s … that’s age Azure
), it did clear up quickly by just changing to more flexible soles shoes ( but that was 20-something arches. ). I was having to roll my arches over a tennis ball every morning. PF complaints have been common in this year of pickleball, I hear it more than TE.Good luck back at you … I am only going to play twice this week, both 2 hours. I have done good all year sticking to a M, W, F schedule always having recovery days in between. Joined a second place, and schedule ended up being consecutive days several times. Hard to stick to a prudent routine, I would play everyday.
Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
Make sure your shoes are flexible in the soles in the right area: Barricades are good for me (Novak's versions and later)
See the test here
Use Spenco full-sole inserts ($30, with gel in the heel are best)
That cured me a long time ago, after one year of excruciating pain caused by inflexible NB800s. Switched to Sampras's Nike Air Oscillates, amazing shoes, not in production any more. Saved me.
See the test here
Use Spenco full-sole inserts ($30, with gel in the heel are best)
That cured me a long time ago, after one year of excruciating pain caused by inflexible NB800s. Switched to Sampras's Nike Air Oscillates, amazing shoes, not in production any more. Saved me.
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ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Congrats … but did you just say you are playing 3 days in a row. We really don’t learn do we?
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
5 and I need to lose more weightCongrats … but did you just say you are playing 3 days in a row. We really don’t learn do we?
ByeByePoly
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Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Today, movement was actually better post injury as I am tad leaner. Still some weight to loose.
Funny I am way slimmer in Europe (Romania and Italy in Aug-Sept each year ), but the food is more natural over there. Besides I don't eat sweets there and I am more active (hiking, tennis mainly with coaches daily, swimming etc. I work out more here, so maybe I have a tad more muscle and those are heavier.
It's so funny how difficult it is to get your technique back, post injury, when pressed that is. Done better after one hour of singles today, for another half, but still not 100% back, technique wise, heck not even 90%.
293.1 stick ftw though.
It's funny that my "almost 5.0" couldn't tell them appart much (after a few minutes with each) the 27" and the 27.25". I prefer the latter for power, but it is at least 10 points more SW.
Funny I am way slimmer in Europe (Romania and Italy in Aug-Sept each year ), but the food is more natural over there. Besides I don't eat sweets there and I am more active (hiking, tennis mainly with coaches daily, swimming etc. I work out more here, so maybe I have a tad more muscle and those are heavier.
It's so funny how difficult it is to get your technique back, post injury, when pressed that is. Done better after one hour of singles today, for another half, but still not 100% back, technique wise, heck not even 90%.
293.1 stick ftw though.
It's funny that my "almost 5.0" couldn't tell them appart much (after a few minutes with each) the 27" and the 27.25". I prefer the latter for power, but it is at least 10 points more SW.
Happi
Hall of Fame
I want to bump this thread with a lot of good advice. I just got PF a month ago, and realizing that it is not going away on its own. Got some treatment with shock wave and it seem to help. My problem is that I do often carry a heavy bags due to my work and walk a lot, so I need perhaps to find a trolley instead to reduce weight.
I guess I could loose 20lb, any experience with PF relief due to weight loss (think this could be a good motivation)
I am trying a lot of the very good advice in this thread, but nothing has worked so far, but I guess it needs more time.
Please keep sharing good advice here.
I guess I could loose 20lb, any experience with PF relief due to weight loss (think this could be a good motivation)
I am trying a lot of the very good advice in this thread, but nothing has worked so far, but I guess it needs more time.
Please keep sharing good advice here.
movdqa
Talk Tennis Guru
I think that weight loss helps to keep it away but doesn't cure it. My serious PF issues were back in the 1990s. I've had some minor flareups since then but nothing serious that stretching didn't take care of. The problem is when it gets into a chronic cycling stage of healing overnight and then re-injury during the day.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Do not walk barefoot. Thank goodness I lost alot of weight. 185 to 129 in 6 days. Just not fond of the process
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
I didn’t go back and read thread, but easy stuff that might help:
- first thing before taking steps in the morning, stretch calf by pulling foot/toes back. One of my friends went to see foot doc, and that was doc’s advice. I think he puts foot against wall toes up and stretches.
- I have just grabbed foot/toes with hand before getting out of bed and stretched. Also finger and hand massage calves
- roll arches over tennis ball, doesn’t heal anything but maybe avoid repeated tears
- indoor shoes
- cheap massage gun on my calves is the single best thing for me, Achilles tendonitis, PF, recent 2nd toe Capsulitis … all related to my constant tight calves imo
- I have cheap incline boards for calf stretches (both leg straight and leg bent stretches, make sure you lean into wall some). Also do slow eccentric knee bending down to 60 degrees or so with heel up toes down on incline boards (cured minor jumper knees). I am trying to remember to do the incline board stretches every morning and every night … watched a foot doc video where he said gains from calf stretching takes weeks/months … no quick gain in flexibility.
I’m pretty much past all of it … my tight calves are the enemy. It took a metatarsal pad in arch and 2nd toe taping for the 2nd toe bs. Still doing that for my 3 pickleball sessions a week … pad was like a miracle first pickleball session and no more pain.
Good luck … feet issues suck, can’t avoid using them.
Steve Williams
Rookie
Good advice from Bye Bye Poly. I had it for about 9 months. Definitely do the stretching before getting out of bed and pulling toes, the pretending to pull a towel back towards you with your toes is good. I found I didn't acually need a towel. I just did it on the carpet and pretended a towel was there. Yes to calf stretches and lifting your own weight onto your toes one leg at a time. Also good for me was making sure I had wide-enough shoes for all situations. The thing about not walking about barefoot is good advice for the early painful stages but later on you can go back to barefoot in so as to stretch your calves and tendons and let your feet splay out naturally without constriction. This is what I found. However it is good to keep up the calf stretching and all that stuff even when you are feeling relief. As I get older the list of excersises I need to do to keep prior injuries at bay grows longer. But hey ho I love to play tennis. I foudn this book to be very comprehensive: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0CHL3RPQT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
johnmccabe
Hall of Fame
How is that possible
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
I have heard it both ways on whether or not to go back to barefoot/socks inside the house. To me there is logic to it being natural foot strengthening walking around without shoes on. Also … we have hardwood and tile flooring, and 15 years of wearing socks never hurt. It was the damn calf torture from pickleball. I might start going back to socks some and see how it goes. I have a 2nd problem with that however, a couple of Chiweenies that drop hair like a Sasquatch.
I have one of those nylon straps with multiple loops I keep near the couch. The loops around ball of feet are easier than the towel thing, and I can stretch both calves at same time while watching the world end on tv news.
Oh … I forgot the most important healing technique. Throw in a half of chocolate chip cookie in your cereal before morning pickleball. Don’t judge.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Thsi is the best slipper to wear at home in history of mankindI didn’t go back and read thread, but easy stuff that might help:
- first thing before taking steps in the morning, stretch calf by pulling foot/toes back. One of my friends went to see foot doc, and that was doc’s advice. I think he puts foot against wall toes up and stretches.
- I have just grabbed foot/toes with hand before getting out of bed and stretched. Also finger and hand massage calves
- roll arches over tennis ball, doesn’t heal anything but maybe avoid repeated tears
- indoor shoes
- cheap massage gun on my calves is the single best thing for me, Achilles tendonitis, PF, recent 2nd toe Capsulitis … all related to my constant tight calves imo
- I have cheap incline boards for calf stretches (both leg straight and leg bent stretches, make sure you lean into wall some). Also do slow eccentric knee bending down to 60 degrees or so with heel up toes down on incline boards (cured minor jumper knees). I am trying to remember to do the incline board stretches every morning and every night … watched a foot doc video where he said gains from calf stretching takes weeks/months … no quick gain in flexibility.
I’m pretty much past all of it … my tight calves are the enemy. It took a metatarsal pad in arch and 2nd toe taping for the 2nd toe bs. Still doing that for my 3 pickleball sessions a week … pad was like a miracle first pickleball session and no more pain.
Good luck … feet issues suck, can’t avoid using them.
yossarian
Professional
AmputationHow is that possible
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Drove into an intersection, woke up in the hospital. Left 6 days later after heart valve surgery. Wifey told her Mom that I looked like when I met her 35 yrs ago. Did not feel that spryHow is that possible
