Played a much better player, now im disapointed and angry

FiReFTW

Legend
I went to the courts to practice my serve a bit, and there was a young guy there on the next court, and he came to me after a while and said if I just wanna hit a bit, cuz his friend can't come (with whom he had arranged the session).

So we had a bit of a hitting session and then played some points till 11.

This guy was so good, I mean if I look back at miself I made great progress since I started playing tennis, my technique is quite solid and sound and my strokes improved a TON, and keep improving constantly, I mean if I played miself from 3 months ago I would destroy miself.

But I can't believe this guy's shots, they had INSANE spin and pace, its hard to tell you exactly how much, but much faster and much much more spin that what ive ever encountered and its not even close.. I felt a bit bad and pissed on miself, because I was so horrible and alot of my shots went way long or were misshits, I couldn't handle this, I was seriously pissed, I mean after 1 year and a half I should at least do a bit better, so pissed at miself.

And this guy was so much better than me, his shots were so fast and spinny and accurate that it almost made me disapointed how much better than mine they are, and his control and touch...the level difference is so big I don't think I will get such shots if I train and play alot for 1 more year or even 2 maybe.

He told me later that he is 18 years old and in the junior selection at the club , and that he plays since he is like 5 years old and he plays official national tournaments and all, so yeah..obviously he is great considering this... but still I feel a bit disapointed in miself, he is 18 years old afterall, and to be so much better than me that I can't even be in the same breath feels a bit deflating and pisses me off and im a bit disapointed in miself.

Of course aswell as being disapointed and absolutely furious, I also got even more motivation to improve now and to really work hard, because I can't let miself be embarassed like this.
 

MyFearHand

Rookie
I don't think you should be upset at losing to someone who is 18 years old. Youth is helpful in tennis in many ways and the only real advantage you get from being older comes from if you've played for years which it doesn't seem like you have. It's good that you got some motivation to improve though! Beating academy trained kids is definitely possible although maybe not someone who plays national tournaments. I'm always really happy when I get to play someone who is a lot better than me because it shows me what I need to work on and forces me to compete the entire time I'm out there.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Look on the bright side, normally you would have to pay someone that much better than you to hit.

iirc your forehand looks quite good, just keep practicing and maybe you'll reach his level.
Realistically, that’s just not gonna happen.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
iirc your forehand looks quite good, just keep practicing and maybe you'll reach his level.
I feel like my preparation let me down, I was too late with my unit turn because the shots were much faster than ive ever played against so I was used to the unit turn before which was adequate before, but here the shot was in my face instantly.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Realistically, that’s just not gonna happen.
You think so? I mean im no expert in these rankings and play levels or anything, but 18 years old seems quite young and undeveloped doesn't it? At least to me... I dunno maybe, I really don't have a clue about it.. then again thinking about it a bit better, wasn't Nadal also a teen when he already started winning slams? Pretty insane if you think about it, always thought athletes peak in like 25-28
 

BenC

Semi-Pro
I've been blown off the court plenty of times by much better players. The benefit is that you've now seen the quality of shots from someone at that skill level, and once the shock and awe wears off you can think about what strategies/adjustments might work if you had to play against someone else like that.

Unless you're a pro (and even then, except for a very select few) there will always be someone better than you.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
You think so? I mean im no expert in these rankings and play levels or anything, but 18 years old seems quite young and undeveloped doesn't it? At least to me... I dunno maybe, I really don't have a clue about it.. then again thinking about it a bit better, wasn't Nadal also a teen when he already started winning slams? Pretty insane if you think about it, always thought athletes peak in like 25-28
How old are you?
 

FiReFTW

Legend
@FiReFTW

The kid has been TRAINING for 13 years while you have been playing casually for almost 2 years. Can’t compare yourself to him.
Yea I guess now that you pointed out... 13 vs 1.5 does seem like a huge difference lol... once you really think about it... but still im suprized how he can even hit such fast shots with so much spin, it seems outerworldy.. I wonder if I can even hit so much spin and pace if I tried with 100% even if the shot was completely inaccurate and went to the backfence with no control at all.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
I've been blown off the court plenty of times by much better players. The benefit is that you've now seen the quality of shots from someone at that skill level, and once the shock and awe wears off you can think about what strategies/adjustments might work if you had to play against someone else like that.
Play against someone like that on my current level? The guy would blow me off the court and beat me 6:0 6:0 with no game being even close, the level difference is absolutely insane.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Yea I guess now that you pointed out... 13 vs 1.5 does seem like a huge difference lol... once you really think about it... but still im suprized how he can even hit such fast shots with so much spin, it seems outerworldy.. I wonder if I can even hit so much spin and pace if I tried with 100% even if the shot was completely inaccurate and went to the backfence with no control at all.
That’s what I explained to you in a PM before. You can’t possibly comprehend how much spin and pace these elite players generate until you actually face it first hand. It’s ridiculous.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
You think so? I mean im no expert in these rankings and play levels or anything, but 18 years old seems quite young and undeveloped doesn't it? At least to me... I dunno maybe, I really don't have a clue about it.. then again thinking about it a bit better, wasn't Nadal also a teen when he already started winning slams? Pretty insane if you think about it, always thought athletes peak in like 25-28
Athletic peak depends on what you use as a definition. Speed peaks about 19-24. Wisdom peaks about 30-33. Muscularity peaks about 23-27. But motor patterns are most malleable at age 4-9.

So most high level athletes started at age 5, could compete against the top guys because of speed at age 19, improved due to strength and wisdom up to 30 then started the inevitable decline.
 

Limpinhitter

G.O.A.T.
I went to the courts to practice my serve a bit, and there was a young guy there on the next court, and he came to me after a while and said if I just wanna hit a bit, cuz his friend can't come (with whom he had arranged the session).

So we had a bit of a hitting session and then played some points till 11.

This guy was so good, I mean if I look back at miself I made great progress since I started playing tennis, my technique is quite solid and sound and my strokes improved a TON, and keep improving constantly, I mean if I played miself from 3 months ago I would destroy miself.

But I can't believe this guy's shots, they had INSANE spin and pace, its hard to tell you exactly how much, but much faster and much much more spin that what ive ever encountered and its not even close.. I felt a bit bad and pissed on miself, because I was so horrible and alot of my shots went way long or were misshits, I couldn't handle this, I was seriously pissed, I mean after 1 year and a half I should at least do a bit better, so pissed at miself.

And this guy was so much better than me, his shots were so fast and spinny and accurate that it almost made me disapointed how much better than mine they are, and his control and touch...the level difference is so big I don't think I will get such shots if I train and play alot for 1 more year or even 2 maybe.

He told me later that he is 18 years old and in the junior selection at the club , and that he plays since he is like 5 years old and he plays official national tournaments and all, so yeah..obviously he is great considering this... but still I feel a bit disapointed in miself, he is 18 years old afterall, and to be so much better than me that I can't even be in the same breath feels a bit deflating and pisses me off and im a bit disapointed in miself.

Of course aswell as being disapointed and absolutely furious, I also got even more motivation to improve now and to really work hard, because I can't let miself be embarassed like this.
Some 18 year olds have been major champions. Boris Becker won Wimbledon at 17. In any event, this fellow has been playing for 13 years and probably getting good coaching and a lot of match play experience in that time. You? Having said that, do you think you would have handled his shots better, and hit your own shots better, if your footwork and shot preparation were better? How would you compare your shot preparation to his?
 

FiReFTW

Legend
That’s what I explained to you in a PM before. You can’t possibly comprehend how much spin and pace these elite players generate until you actually face it first hand. It’s ridiculous.
Yeah, if you play someone slightly better you think ok his shots are slightly better and this is slightly better... yeah few months and I can see miself improving to this level.. but these shots were on such a level im pretty sure I won't reach such shots in 1-2 years of training almost guaranted... now im not saying I will or won't reach such similar level shots, can't really say that or know that, but im just saying that im 100% sure that no matter what I do or how much I train, I don't see miself attaining such shots in the next 1-2 years no matter what, from my experience so far and the difference in his shots and mine.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Having said that, do you think you would have handled his shots better, and hit your own shots better, if your footwork and shot preparation were better? How would you compare your shot preparation to his?
For sure, it would be much better, im sure his preparation was fine.. because he is used to better shots than mine... while I never faced even close to such pace and spin, the shot felt like it was in my face 2 times faster than any shot ive faced before... and im used to doing an unit turn quite soon usually... soon enough anyway... for everything I faced so far.. but seems like not soon enough for such fast shots as these, because I was constantly late.. and even after I made some adjustments sometimes the shot would suprized me because it had such crazy spin and bounced and jumped towards me in like 0.1 seconds.
I think if I played him 2-3 more times I would get somewhat a hang of it, prepare soon enough and would handle his shots in the sense that I would not hit the net or long much anymore but could return them well.. however im not sure how long it would take for me to be able to return his shots aggressively (not the rally balls but the point balls that are wide and hit with insane pace), it seems almost impossible to hit them aggressively due to the pace and spin they have and you are on the run.
 

ptuanminh

Hall of Fame
Im sure he has better players to hit with, I would feel embarassed hitting with him, because im not close to his level.
the higher the level, the fewer players around to hit with. I really don't mind to be the guy that "is not so good, but i hit with him when i have no other option. "
 

BenC

Semi-Pro
Play against someone like that on my current level? The guy would blow me off the court and beat me 6:0 6:0 with no game being even close, the level difference is absolutely insane.
I thought I was pretty decent when I played competitively in high school. When I started college I'd been playing for 10 years already, then I had the chance to rally with some players who were on the school team (Div 1). That was an eye opener.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
I thought I was pretty decent when I played competitively in high school. When I started college I'd been playing for 10 years already, then I had the chance to rally with some players who were on the school team (Div 1). That was an eye opener.
Yea its crazy, but you have to take into account how much more they have played.

@mad dog1 pointed out that ive been only playing for 1.5 years while he has been playing for 13, so thats like 10 times more, and probably even much more, he is probably playing everyday almost for hours and hours and also has ton of tournament experience and all... so its quite hard to imagine how I would reach his level in the next 5 years or so, it seems impossible, even if I was extremely talented, damn it!
 

navigator

Hall of Fame
Yeah, if you play someone slightly better you think ok his shots are slightly better and this is slightly better... yeah few months and I can see miself improving to this level.. but these shots were on such a level im pretty sure I won't reach such shots in 1-2 years of training almost guaranted... now im not saying I will or won't reach such similar level shots, can't really say that or know that, but im just saying that im 100% sure that no matter what I do or how much I train, I don't see miself attaining such shots in the next 1-2 years no matter what, from my experience so far and the difference in his shots and mine.
Let's be clear. The odds of your ever reaching his level in your lifetime are not meaningfully different from zero. He started at 5 and has been playing regularly ever since. You've been playing, what... 3-4 years (if I recall correctly)? You're 28. If you practice 10 hours per week (focused practice) for the next few years and you're reasonably athletic you should make it to 4.5. And you'll still lose to a guy 0/0 that would lose to the player you hit with 0/0 (or something like that - you get my point). You started as an adult and nothing will change that. Just enjoy the game and get some exercise. It's a hobby. Maybe you get better, maybe you don't. There's no money involved. That you're "absolutely furious" over your performance while hitting with this guy is quite bizarre.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Yea its crazy, but you have to take into account how much more they have played.

@mad dog1 pointed out that ive been only playing for 1.5 years while he has been playing for 13, so thats like 10 times more, and probably even much more, he is probably playing everyday almost for hours and hours and also has ton of tournament experience and all... so its quite hard to imagine how I would reach his level in the next 5 years or so, it seems impossible, even if I was extremely talented, damn it!
Are you working with a coach? Cuz it’s not possible to get to his level just by watching YouTube instructional videos.
 
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shazbot

Semi-Pro
I was in just about the same situations as you awhile ago. I started tennis in the winter of 2009 (so going on 9 years) and I am just about to turn 34 years old.

Self taught (probably like you are) and I am basically maxed out in my abilities. I joined a local club, joined the ladder and played USTA and local leagues around here. I am a 4.5 not a high 4.5, but a decent 4.5. I am married, have a full time job, etc etc. Unless I spend an obscene amount of money on tennis lessons (which I never will) I will never get much better.

But to put it into perspective, I just became a 4.5 last year, so that was 8 years worth of USTA, CMITA and Ladder matches before I made that jump.

You will get better, but it will not happen over night and you will lose a lot along the way lol.
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
I went to the courts to practice my serve a bit, and there was a young guy there on the next court, and he came to me after a while and said if I just wanna hit a bit, cuz his friend can't come (with whom he had arranged the session).

So we had a bit of a hitting session and then played some points till 11.

This guy was so good, I mean if I look back at miself I made great progress since I started playing tennis, my technique is quite solid and sound and my strokes improved a TON, and keep improving constantly, I mean if I played miself from 3 months ago I would destroy miself.

But I can't believe this guy's shots, they had INSANE spin and pace, its hard to tell you exactly how much, but much faster and much much more spin that what ive ever encountered and its not even close.. I felt a bit bad and pissed on miself, because I was so horrible and alot of my shots went way long or were misshits, I couldn't handle this, I was seriously pissed, I mean after 1 year and a half I should at least do a bit better, so pissed at miself.

And this guy was so much better than me, his shots were so fast and spinny and accurate that it almost made me disapointed how much better than mine they are, and his control and touch...the level difference is so big I don't think I will get such shots if I train and play alot for 1 more year or even 2 maybe.

He told me later that he is 18 years old and in the junior selection at the club , and that he plays since he is like 5 years old and he plays official national tournaments and all, so yeah..obviously he is great considering this... but still I feel a bit disapointed in miself, he is 18 years old afterall, and to be so much better than me that I can't even be in the same breath feels a bit deflating and pisses me off and im a bit disapointed in miself.

Of course aswell as being disapointed and absolutely furious, I also got even more motivation to improve now and to really work hard, because I can't let miself be embarassed like this.
So what is your current USTA rating?
I have a 15y/o son that can beat strong 4.0 players. He will lose to a good 5.0. He only plays local tournaments and will lose to a national lvl player 0-1.
An 18y/o that has been playing competitively since 5y/o and plays national level tournaments can beat 5.0. In fact, national level high school players are scouted by private clubs to be ringers on their teams as their 5.0 singles players. Last year, our graduating HS player beat a former UC Berkley player. Our ringer beat their ringer.

I can focus my training with lessons etc for the next 2 years and the most I can hope to achieve is 4.0 level. My son will graduate high school and be scouted on 18+ 4.5 teams to be their singles ringer. I'm sure he can stop playing for 10yrs, then decide to pick it up again and will quickly go from 4.0 to 4.5.

It's not only how long have you been training for. But when. If you developed your muscle memory while your body was developing, you have "natural" motion and instinct that would take you forever to develop as an adult.

Just know that 18y/o you played probably can beat the top adult player in your private club.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
@navigator ive been playing for 1.5 years actually haha... :confused: but yeah, i agree that reaching this level is extremely hard maybe even not possible, but that wont stop me from trying.

I appreciate your opinion but I disagree that tennis is just a hobby to me, its something I deeply fell in love with since the first day I hit a tennis ball, my only regret is that I did not start as a kid, but nothing can change that now.

Tennis is a strong passion and means everything to me, I cant go a day without thinking about it and hitting the tennis ball makes me feel amazing, I cant explain it, its something wonderdul.
And I want to become the best I possibly can and compete at official rec tournaments here, the levels in these are around 4.0 in lower ones and 4.5 to 5.0 in higher ones , and im highly competitive as a person.

Tennis is fun and extreme joy, but its also something I take serious and have a serious desire to become good at.

@mad dog1 up to 1 month ago I was mostly self coached by youtube videos working on my technique and hitting with ppl I know, had around 5-6 private lessons aswell during the time and a few group ones (mostly for play time and experience).

1 months ago started working with a coach and another player, so for 1 month now mx schedule is:

twice a week, the player and miself play while the coach instructs, doing all sort of drills and working on specific shots and situations and all that.

I also started playing in a group at the local club once a week, some decent young players there and we mostly just play points, so I get point practice and mileage.

1 day per week i hit with my friend

Thinking I might also add a private lesson once a month or so, maybe good for coach to see improvementa during month and maybe offer some advice or remind me if im forgeting smt and so

And twice a week I go alone and practice serve (only started this week since weather is good for outside play cuz spring starts, inside is too expensive)

Also started soing footwork drills at home and fitness, core exercises etc

Soon il also start playing matches (summer league) once a week to get more mileage and experience

So currently this is my schedule, you or anyone else for that matter are free to chime in and advise me about my plan and if you advise something else to add or whatever
 
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Deleted member 120290

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This is why when a D-1 prospect comes into this forum asking for help in improving his 125mph serve, almost everyone needs to keep his mouth closed.

OP is lucky he didn't get blown off the court by a ranked 12 or 14 yo girl. He may have not survived that trauma.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
OP is lucky he didn't get blown off the court by a ranked 12 or 14 yo girl. He may have not survived that trauma.
Damn, do you really think a 12yo girl would blow me off the court?

Im a very calm and peaceful player, I dont yell or scream or get pissed on court, but damn I would probably break my racquet at home if a 12yo girl would blow me off the court lol... i prolly wouldnt lol, but id prolly not be far from it.
 

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Hall of Fame
@navigator ive been playing for 1.5 years actually haha... :confused: but yeah, i agree that reaching this level is extremely hard maybe even not possible, but that wont stop me from trying.

I appreciate your opinion but I disagree that tennis is just a hobby to me, its something I deeply fell in love with since the first day I hit a tennis ball, my only regret is that I did not start as a kid, but nothing can change that now.

Tennis is a strong passion and means everything to me, I cant go a day without thinking about it and hitting the tennis ball makes me feel amazing, I cant explain it, its something wonderdul.
And I want to become the best I possibly can and compete at official rec tournaments here, the levels in these are around 4.0 in lower ones and 4.5 to 5.0 in higher ones , and im highly competitive as a person.

Tennis is fun and extreme joy, but its also something I take serious and have a serious desire to become good at.

@mad dog1 up to 1 month ago I was mostly self coached by youtube videos working on my technique and hitting with ppl I know, had around 5-6 private lessons aswell during the time and a few group ones (mostly for play time and experience).

1 months ago started working with a coach and another player, so for 1 month now mx schedule is:

twice a week, the player and miself play while the coach instructs, doing all sort of drills and working on specific shots and situations and all that.

I also started playing in a group at the local club once a week, some decent young players there and we mostly just play points, so I get point practice and mileage.

1 day per week i hit with my friend

Thinking I might also add a private lesson once a month or so, maybe good for coach to see improvementa during month and maybe offer some advice or remind me if im forgeting smt and so

And twice a week I go alone and practice serve (only started this week since weather is good for outside play cuz spring starts, inside is too expensive)

Also started soing footwork drills at home and fitness, core exercises etc

Soon il also start playing matches (summer league) once a week to get more mileage and experience

So currently this is my schedule, you or anyone else for that matter are free to chime in and advise me about my plan and if you advise something else to add or whatever
I think your training schedule is just fine. But here is the training schedule for my 15y/o that is only locally ranked (basically top Intermediate level or mid-pack Advanced level). Can't hold a candle to nationally ranked players:

Group drills class twice a week
Practice match with a friend once or twice a week
Private coaching session once a week
USTA tournament once a month

This is all while he has swim practice three times a week

During the summer, he will be in a competitive swim league. He will have swim practice daily with competition once a week.
He will go to group tennis class three times a week
Practice match with a friend twice a week
Private coaching session once a week
USTA tournaments twice a month

During HS Fall season, he will have practice 4x a week and a match once a week.
Private coaching session once a week
Practice match with a friend once a week.

My son is ranked #3 singles for his high school.
The #1, and #2 singles players are nationally ranked. They have been playing since 5.
You can't imagine the amount of training and practice they've gone through for the past 10yrs.
As freshmen, they can beat most private club's top players
 

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Hall of Fame
Damn, do you really think a 12yo girl would blow me off the court?

Im a very calm and peaceful player, I dont yell or scream or get pissed on court, but damn I would probably break my racquet at home if a 12yo girl would blow me off the court lol... i prolly wouldnt lol, but id prolly not be far from it.
My son's tennis buddy has a younger sister. She is 11. She can hit the ball harder than I can. But what's more important is, she can do it over and over 20x if needed without making an error. Her weakness right now is her serve. If I were to play her, I could only hope to grab some points by hitting her only junk balls. She is an junior INTERMEDIATE level player.
 
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Damn, do you really think a 12yo girl would blow me off the court?

Im a very calm and peaceful player, I dont yell or scream or get pissed on court, but damn I would probably break my racquet at home if a 12yo girl would blow me off the court lol... i prolly wouldnt lol, but id prolly not be far from it.
A couple of years ago, one of the coaches at my local club was training a 6', lefty, black girl who was 13 or 14.
I can hold my own against most 4.5, over 40 crowd.
But I would get crushed by this girl. I would never break her serve and maybe hold once or twice a set if my serve is on.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Unless I spend an obscene amount of money on tennis lessons (which I never will) I will never get much better.
You know, I play at a club where dozens of members spend obscene amounts of money on lessons and still don't get much better. They get modestly better but rarely leave their rating by anymore than 0.5. The closer to your athletic ceiling you are the harder it is to improve.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
A couple of years ago, one of the coaches at my local club was training a 6', lefty, black girl who was 13 or 14.
I can hold my own against most 4.5, over 40 crowd.
But I would get crushed by this girl. I would never break her serve and maybe hold once or twice a set if my serve is on.
How can a 13 year old girl be so good, damn..
 

FiReFTW

Legend
My son's tennis buddy has a younger sister. She is 11. She can hit the ball harder than I can. But what's more important is, she can do it over and over 20x if needed without making an error. Her weakness right now is her serve. If I were to play her, I could only hope to grab some points by hitting her only junk balls. She is an junior INTERMEDIATE level player.
How can a 11yo girl hit harder than you eith a tiny little body? Thats crazy I dont get it :confused:
 

FiReFTW

Legend
You need to go see big junior tournaments in person to see how bad you really are in tennis. It's very depressing.
Actually don't.
I can see how someone who is 12 is a good player starting from 5, 7 years of alot of tennis even if they are only 12yo.

I could see them crushing a adult player whos played for some years.

But take nytennisaddict as an example, im sure hes been playing tennis for much longer and hes an adult.

So that doesnt make sense to me how a 12 year can crush him, its quite mind boggling.
 
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Did you really get beat by a 12yo? From your vids you play really good tennis.
oh yeah.
4 different ones to date.
2 girls. 1 went wta, other went d1
2 boys recently... both nationally ranked (utr9)
 

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Hall of Fame
How can a 11yo girl hit harder than you eith a tiny little body? Thats crazy I dont get it :confused:
Technique.

My son @ 5'5" and 130# hits a 90mph 1st serve IN. His kicker will bounce past my ear. Again, these are only Intermediate JR players. The Advanced ones are off your chart.

But not only great serves, but my son can return ROS cleanly that same 90mph serve.

Their vision, their reflexes, their muscle memory is just on another level.
 

ptuanminh

Hall of Fame
I can see how someone who is 12 is a good player starting from 5, 7 years of alot of tennis even if they are only 12yo.

I could see them crushing a adult player whos played for some years.

But take nytennisaddict as an example, im sure hes been playing tennis for much longer and hes an adult.

So that doesnt make sense to me how a 12 year can crush him, its quite mind boggling.
I used to play with this 11 year old girl, top 50 nation in her age group. She competes in U16 tournament.
At first she beat me 1 and 1. Eventually, we get to the point we split sets.
Nothing depressing about it. She is just toooo gooood.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
What do you guys think is the difference that a 12yo girl can crush nytennisaddict, its qjite crazy to me because when I think about it shes a little undeveloped kid and she also prolly plays tennis for 6-7 years? While @nytennisaddict plays for what, 20 years? And is a fully developed male who is also physically stronger and faster.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
What do you guys think is the difference that a 12yo girl can crush nytennisaddict, its qjite crazy to me because when I think about it shes a little undeveloped kid and she also prolly plays tennis for 6-7 years? While @nytennisaddict plays for what, 20 years? And is a fully developed male who is also physically stronger and faster.
For starters, different skill level due to superior instruction/coaching and more natural talent.
 

ptuanminh

Hall of Fame
Unless growing up an academy kid like TTPS, most of us adults have a technically flawed game. Those kids with proper coaching and intense training will whoop our ass.
That little girl i played with, she trained 8 hours a day during the summer. so can't really say she was not as fit as we are.
 
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