Played My First USTA Match

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1. He showed you that serving with spin is very effective at the lower levels -- it is hard to judge and hard to be offensive with it. So maybe learn to serve with spin, and don't develop into one of those 3.0-3.5 male players who blast first serves and then push second serves like a young child?
Hey I resemble that comment. Ouch.

Honestly though pushing a second serve at 3.5 isn't as bad as you think since most 3.5 guys will see it as an opportunity to blast a forehand right past me. Fortunately most 3.5 guys don't have the ability to generate their own pace so they end up blasting it in the net or into the fence behind me. Now at 4.0 you can't get away with a week second serve but at 3.0 or 3.5 it really isn't a liability.
 
Hey I resemble that comment. Ouch.

Honestly though pushing a second serve at 3.5 isn't as bad as you think since most 3.5 guys will see it as an opportunity to blast a forehand right past me. Fortunately most 3.5 guys don't have the ability to generate their own pace so they end up blasting it in the net or into the fence behind me. Now at 4.0 you can't get away with a week second serve but at 3.0 or 3.5 it really isn't a liability.

Don't humor her troll posts. It's just comical that a 4.0 lady who wants to be bumped down to 3.5 feels her spin serve is any better than a mans push serve.
 
Actually . . .

You see a lot of push serves from 3.5 guys. I think my spin serve is more effective. My serve isn't faster -- it is about the same speed you might see from a 3.5 guy push. But it will have spin, and that helps. Above 3.5, a guy's push serve has to be better than my serve.
Hey I resemble that comment. Ouch.

Honestly though pushing a second serve at 3.5 isn't as bad as you think since most 3.5 guys will see it as an opportunity to blast a forehand right past me. Fortunately most 3.5 guys don't have the ability to generate their own pace so they end up blasting it in the net or into the fence behind me. Now at 4.0 you can't get away with a week second serve but at 3.0 or 3.5 it really isn't a liability.

Fair enough, fair enough. It is true at 3.5 men's (and 3.5+ women's too) that players lack the ability to consistently punish the push serve. Personally, I love it when my female opponent has a weak push for a second because I can stand close and hit a drop or shot slice return and force her to run up and hit a pass against two at net. I lack the consistency to smoke that push serve, but I can put the server in all kinds of trouble, especially if she isn't good at net. But I digress, Kevrol.

Here's the thing that is frustrating.

In a mixed match with a 3.5 guy blast-then-push partner, I can literally keep track of how many first serves hit the court. It's not many. And the push second serve does result in some double faults because, well, that's the nature of push serves, isn't it? You get tight, your racket head speed slows, you have no spin to help you, and you miss.

And also, there's the whole *look* of it, right? I mean, you fellas want to look good out there, right? Well, if any player blasts a huge first serve fault and then hits a comical, dainty creampuff for a second . . . it's just not a good look. :)
 
I bet you really hate poetry because it isn't obvious :p

You could tell by her comments even though it wasn't explicitly stated.

Maybe that she had a good enough spin serve. Not that it was better than every man's push serve [which you didn't explicitly state but that was the basis for your argument].

But no matter what she posts you're going to criticize it.
 
No sweat, S&V. Doesn't bother me a bit. Easy enough to ignore, especially since there are so many cool folks here. : sly wink at Kevrol & TennisTom :

It's good to be back for a bit. I see you've been taking mighty good care of the board!
 
And also, there's the whole *look* of it, right? I mean, you fellas want to look good out there, right? Well, if any player blasts a huge first serve fault and then hits a comical, dainty creampuff for a second . . . it's just not a good look. :)
I'm a 45 year old married dude with two teenagers. I'm not trying to impress anyone, I just want to win the point. [emoji12]

Seriously though I am working on a better second serve because I would like to be a 4.0 at least one season of my life.


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I'm a 45 year old married dude with two teenagers. I'm not trying to impress anyone, I just want to win the point. [emoji12]

Seriously though I am working on a better second serve because I would like to be a 4.0 at least one season of my life.


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I feel ya.

It's interesting, watching the difference between the typical 3.5 male serve and 4.0 male serve. First serve? Not much difference that I can see -- most of them serve as hard as they can, although the 4.0s are better at placement so I can't deal with their serves by just moving back.

But the second serve of a 4.0 is more interesting to me than the 3.5 guy's serve. The 4.0 might throw topspin. Or slice. Or even twist.

I don't look so good trying to return those serves. Then again . . . I'm a married lady with three grown kids. I'm not trying to impress anyone, I just want to win the point. :)
 
I feel ya.

It's interesting, watching the difference between the typical 3.5 male serve and 4.0 male serve. First serve? Not much difference that I can see -- most of them serve as hard as they can, although the 4.0s are better at placement so I can't deal with their serves by just moving back.

But the second serve of a 4.0 is more interesting to me than the 3.5 guy's serve. The 4.0 might throw topspin. Or slice. Or even twist.

I don't look so good trying to return those serves. Then again . . . I'm a married lady with three grown kids. I'm not trying to impress anyone, I just want to win the point. :)

It's just weird how different your area is compared to mine.

Most of the high level 3.5s in my area do not even hit flat first serves. They mostly hit kick serves as a first serve. Then a more conservative kick serve as a second.

The only 3.5s that typically hit flat serves are the ones who either rated incorrectly or the system hasn't caught up to them to make them 4.0s. But they don't last long at 3.5.

Now at 3.0 you see a bunch of men with frying pan grips that hit hard and inconsistent flat serves. Occasionally you'll see this with a low level 3.5 that got bumped up but has a good enough partner to keep them from being bumped back down.
 
I'm a 45 year old married dude with two teenagers. I'm not trying to impress anyone, I just want to win the point. [emoji12]

Seriously though I am working on a better second serve because I would like to be a 4.0 at least one season of my life.

As if I could actually impress anyone with my first serve, let alone my second.

But because the serve is the 2nd most important shot for my tennis [the RoS is even more important to me], I want to improve both 1st and 2nd. This is pretty much a must if I'm going to make it to the next level.
 
No sweat, S&V. Doesn't bother me a bit. Easy enough to ignore, especially since there are so many cool folks here. : sly wink at Kevrol & TennisTom :

It's good to be back for a bit. I see you've been taking mighty good care of the board!

Oh, so you're coming back from AAA ball and back into the majors? Good on ya!
 
Hey I resemble that comment. Ouch.

Honestly though pushing a second serve at 3.5 isn't as bad as you think since most 3.5 guys will see it as an opportunity to blast a forehand right past me. Fortunately most 3.5 guys don't have the ability to generate their own pace so they end up blasting it in the net or into the fence behind me. Now at 4.0 you can't get away with a week second serve but at 3.0 or 3.5 it really isn't a liability.

Excellent post.
A dink serve can be a very effective weapon against the agro-**** maniac 3.5 who blasts it into the fence, or under the net.
Want to beat a 3.5? Just dink every single serve in like the 80 year old ladies. 3.5 will not get a single point against you.
 
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