Player with the greatest return of serve with a single handed backhand and is not just a clay court specialist and not including Fed

BTURNER

Legend
Are we talking Tuesdays Thursdays and Saturdays, or Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays and are we talking about players borne in the northern hemisphere or southern hemisphere?
 
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FRV3

Guest
It's still Fed. Fed is the greatest. It's the only possible answer. You can't just exclude him like that. Fed Fedr Federer
 

stephenclown

Professional
Essentially different games, with kick serves the ohbh return was made a much bigger liability. Probably only fair to compare modern players against each other. Still waiting for someone to really shine in this department, Federer was close but still a liability compared to his forehand return.

Thiem, Tsitsi and Shapo are all a bit behind and Stans is heavily reliant on surface. Hopefully a junior comes through and has it figured out.
 
Essentially different games, with kick serves the ohbh return was made a much bigger liability. Probably only fair to compare modern players against each other. Still waiting for someone to really shine in this department, Federer was close but still a liability compared to his forehand return.

Thiem, Tsitsi and Shapo are all a bit behind and Stans is heavily reliant on surface. Hopefully a junior comes through and has it figured out.
That Lorenzo Musetti guy looked pretty good yesterday.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
Thiem, Tsitsi and Shapo are all a bit behind and Stans is heavily reliant on surface. Hopefully a junior comes through and has it figured out.
Thiem - incredibly negative mindset, excessive florish, doesn't seem to time it well when within 3m of baseline
Tsitsipas - lacks control and consistency, but is getting better
Shapo - similar to Tsitsipas, but seems to have better racquet head control (nowhere near Fed though)
Stan - love Stan, but he just chips anything even remotely difficult (not purposeful slice, just chip)

I'd say all of them are way, way behind the likes of Federer, Blake, Haas, Becker, Edberg, etc Henin with only Shapo and Tsitsipas likely to ever get close.
 

stephenclown

Professional
Thiem - incredibly negative mindset, excessive florish, doesn't seem to time it well when within 3m of baseline
Tsitsipas - lacks control and consistency, but is getting better
Shapo - similar to Tsitsipas, but seems to have better racquet head control (nowhere near Fed though)
Stan - love Stan, but he just chips anything even remotely difficult (not purposeful slice, just chip)

I'd say all of them are way, way behind the likes of Federer, Blake, Haas, Becker, Edberg, etc Henin with only Shapo and Tsitsipas likely to ever get close.
That's because Henin was a beast but the womens game has always been more flat which negates a lot of the issues for the ohbh in the current mens game. The fact that there are so few ohbh in the womens game makes hers even more memorable, truly the best one hand backhand we have seen.

I think Shapovalov is the most exciting young player and his balance is incredible. If he can improve his consistency/tactics while retaining his aggressive game he has the ability to have the best ohbh on tour. Was surprised he went to the SV95 after the six.one 95 though. He also matured a lot after he broke the umpires face.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
That's because Henin was a beast but the womens game has always been more flat which negates a lot of the issues for the ohbh in the current mens game. The fact that there are so few ohbh in the womens game makes hers even more memorable, truly the best one hand backhand we have seen.

I think Shapovalov is the most exciting young player and his balance is incredible. If he can improve his consistency/tactics while retaining his aggressive game he has the ability to have the best ohbh on tour. Was surprised he went to the SV95 after the six.one 95 though. He also matured a lot after he broke the umpires face.
Agree completely.

Slow, high bouncing courts and poly really play to the strengths of the double handed paddle shot.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
Thiem - incredibly negative mindset, excessive florish, doesn't seem to time it well when within 3m of baseline
Tsitsipas - lacks control and consistency, but is getting better
Shapo - similar to Tsitsipas, but seems to have better racquet head control (nowhere near Fed though)
Stan - love Stan, but he just chips anything even remotely difficult (not purposeful slice, just chip)

I'd say all of them are way, way behind the likes of Federer, Blake, Haas, Becker, Edberg, etc Henin with only Shapo and Tsitsipas likely to ever get close.
I agree about Stan, but his chip is a pretty good chip. He'll never be on the offense right away with that return, but he can often avoid being on defense.
 

zill

Hall of Fame
I agree about Stan, but his chip is a pretty good chip. He'll never be on the offense right away with that return, but he can often avoid being on defense.
Chipping means being on defense straight away lol unless if it’s a perfect chip.
 

NicoMK

Professional
Lendl = 0 Wimbledons
biggest reason = relative weakness in return, including bh return
Err, we're not exactly talking here about the same grass and not either the same kind of opponents (no more grass specialists)... that's for me the 2 biggest reasons of Ivan's failure at Wimbledon.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Err, we're not exactly talking here about the same grass and not either the same kind of opponents (no more grass specialists)... that's for me the 2 biggest reasons of Ivan's failure at Wimbledon.
the grass type at that time helped expose Ivan's BH return on grass.
Its insanity to think Ivan's BH return is equal to fed's on grass, let alone better.
fed's bh return is also better than becker's on grass.
 

urban

Legend
Edberg had mostly the slice return, which stayed low on grass and was difficult to volley. Becker at his best, had the much bigger topspin and drive backhand, especially cross court. Sampras was good, when he could hit it in his comfort zone middle high (that Agassi often offered him), like Federer he could not do much with it, when it was outside the comfort zone. Fed wasn't particularly aggressive with his backhand return, but tying to hold the ball in play to bring the forehand in. Best grass one handed backhand in modern times: Michael Stich. Honorable mention to Petre Korda, who hit it sometimes like Laver.
 
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