Players from the past who would succeed in the current era


Yep, you are right. Hoad, small wood racquet, returning on baseline or a foot inside on one of the fastest courts ever with no problem and Pancho raining 120-130 mph bombs all night long. Ya got me.
That is some pretty awful tennis to look at. The ball comes over the net 1,5 times on average.
 

Winners or Errors

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Yep, you are right. Hoad, small wood racquet, returning on baseline or a foot inside on one of the fastest courts ever with no problem and Pancho raining 120-130 mph bombs all night long. Ya got me.
Hmmm... look at Sampras' returning position v. Ivanisevic here. Not much further back, and IIRC Goran is one of the biggest servers of all time.
 

jrepac

Hall of Fame
It's serve and volley on a fast court, how long do you expect the points to last? I guess you would love an Eddie Dibbs and Harold Solomon match.
today's delusional viewers expect all tennis to be 25 stroke rallies on a grass court....I'd pay good money to see more S&V nowadays and some faster courts. We've gone from one extreme to another...very unbalanced....and kind of boring. Most exciting match I saw last year, next to the W final, may have been the Halep-Townsend match at the USO....classic S&V versus baseliner and a real nail-biter.
 

bleno567

Semi-Pro
A lot of stupid answers. Courier was able to crush that little yellow ball with a 85in racquet and whatever non poly string, imagine him with poly and more forgiving frame. Same with Sampras. Or any champ from the previous era. Do you really think Big Mac would struggle to get various slams ? Now is maybe (big 3 apart) the weakest era we’ve seen in terms of technique and tactic. While having the best physical/ mental training ever. I’ve been watching tennis from previous eras during this lockout, and I’ve been stunned how well these players hit the ball. Name them : Becker, Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Sampras, Stich,etc...
Who is nuts enough to believe a Thiem or a tsitsipas stands a chance against Rios or Muster ?
Agreed with your whole post until the end. Thiem/Tsitsipas vs Rios/Muster is more like a toss up IMO.
 

bleno567

Semi-Pro
Lol at all those suggestions. Maybe Agassi if he was fit.
Lol at your response. Maybe Agassi? Is that a joke? Of course Agassi. He was winning matches or coming close to against peak Fed.

Also, ridiculous to say Sampras wouldn't have made the cut. He was winning matches against modern players with Babolats late into his career past his prime. That's without the benefit of a modern frame.
 

the green god

Professional
Hmmm... look at Sampras' returning position v. Ivanisevic here. Not much further back, and IIRC Goran is one of the biggest servers of all time.
25 sq inches and graphite makes a big difference. Geez, at 3:40 Pancho's serve bounces twice to the center line judge on a first serve.
 

the green god

Professional
today's delusional viewers expect all tennis to be 25 stroke rallies on a grass court....I'd pay good money to see more S&V nowadays and some faster courts. We've gone from one extreme to another...very unbalanced....and kind of boring. Most exciting match I saw last year, next to the W final, may have been the Halep-Townsend match at the USO....classic S&V versus baseliner and a real nail-biter.
Chicks dig the serve and volley.
 
It's serve and volley on a fast court, how long do you expect the points to last? I guess you would love an Eddie Dibbs and Harold Solomon match.
I've been following tennis since the early '80s (played tournaments as a junior). I enjoyed the S/V greats like Edberg (all time fave), Cash. McEnroe etc. But in the mid '90s the finesse went away and it was players like Stich, Kraijcek, Sampras who were ruining tennis for me by playing mindless servebot-tennis indoors. It just was not entertaining anymore – and it looked pretty much like this old crap with Gonzales. Sure, I'm also bored with watching Djokovic and Nadal slug it out for 5 hours on clay, but I do like me some nice rallies now and then.
 
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Chicks dig the serve and volley.
Oh, I agree. I like S/V too – and I'd love to see more of it today. But I also remember a lot of snoozefests with two attacking servebombers where the ball travelled over the net approx. 1,5 times on average. A match with S/V against baseliner is fun, though.
 

the green god

Professional
I've been following tennis since the early '80s (played tournaments as a junior). I enjoyed the S/V greats like Edberg (all time fave), Cash. McEnroe etc. But in the mid '90s the finesse went away and it was players like Stich, Kraijcek, Sampras who were ruining tennis for me by playing mindless servebot-tennis indoors. It just was not entertaining anymore – and it looked pretty much like this old crap with Gonzales. Sure, I'm also bored with watching Djokovic and Nadal slug it out for 5 hours on clay, but I do like me some nice rallies now and then.

On a side note, my wife says she would watch Cash play all day.
 
Edberg was a top junior at the time, about 20.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Stefan is born in 1966. When he was 20, he had already won the Australian Open. In 1983 he won the juniors Grand Slam. At 20, I'm rather certain that Edberg could beat a 50-something guy with a chronic back injury.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Stefan is born in 1966. When he was 20, he had already won the Australian Open. In 1983 he won the juniors Grand Slam. At 20, I'm rather certain that Edberg could beat a 50-something guy with a chronic back injury.
He bageled him. Edberg was visiting Hoad's tennis ranch.

A lot of other posters were "pretty sure" that I was wrong about some other issues...famous last words.
 

mxmx

Hall of Fame
A lot of stupid answers. Courier was able to crush that little yellow ball with a 85in racquet and whatever non poly string, imagine him with poly and more forgiving frame. Same with Sampras. Or any champ from the previous era. Do you really think Big Mac would struggle to get various slams ? Now is maybe (big 3 apart) the weakest era we’ve seen in terms of technique and tactic. While having the best physical/ mental training ever. I’ve been watching tennis from previous eras during this lockout, and I’ve been stunned how well these players hit the ball. Name them : Becker, Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Sampras, Stich,etc...
Who is nuts enough to believe a Thiem or a tsitsipas stands a chance against Rios or Muster ?
Fully agree. Couldn't have said it better myself... /endthread
 

mxmx

Hall of Fame
That list would be surprisingly long. I don't see Navratilova, Wade, McEnroe, Edberg, Becker, even Gonzales and Sampras to an extent magically being willing to become predominant baseliners today. Perhaps Court, Goolagong, and Connors (Connors was more baseline anyway, but pretty all court as well) would be both willing and able to adapt fully, that is about it. And then there are those who simply could not be top players as baseliners or in a baseline heavy game whether they were willing or not- Shriver, Cash, Newcombe, Ashe, Smith, King (King's ground game was laughable, especialy that forehand).
Did you see Becker or Sampras play? They were and could be great baseliners even in the modern game if they needed to. Back then they didn't need to. Aside from the big3/4 some players of the past had more talent than the rest of the top 10 combined.
 

Musterrific

Semi-Pro
Did you see Becker or Sampras play? They were and could be great baseliners even in the modern game if they needed to. Back then they didn't need to. Aside from the big3/4 some players of the past had more talent than the rest of the top 10 combined.
Agreed, and this is why it's so difficult to compare eras. There seems to be a recency bias, particularly among younger followers of tennis, who assume that the old legends wouldn't stand a chance against modern pros. Take any of those all time greats from their physical prime with a time machine to the present and I think a lot of people would be surprised at how well they would do. A genius like Mac with his unconventional style would give absolute fits to today's one-dimensional top pros.
 

mental midget

Hall of Fame
classic era comparison dilemma, what are the stipulations here? past players growing up in today's game, past players just time-travelled to present day? the best players of any era were the best players, full stop, and assuming they came up today there's no reason to think they wouldn't succeed. take a sampras or an edberg, they are easily the athletic equal of anyone on tour now--same goes for laver, certainly, or hoad etc. Maybe movement and endurance are bigger factors now, so maybe that plays a role--and smaller guys would be at a bit of a disadvantage, so like a rosewall for example might have a tougher time. but for the most part, great players are great players.
 

mxmx

Hall of Fame
classic era comparison dilemma, what are the stipulations here? past players growing up in today's game, past players just time-travelled to present day? the best players of any era were the best players, full stop, and assuming they came up today there's no reason to think they wouldn't succeed. take a sampras or an edberg, they are easily the athletic equal of anyone on tour now--same goes for laver, certainly, or hoad etc. Maybe movement and endurance are bigger factors now, so maybe that plays a role--and smaller guys would be at a bit of a disadvantage, so like a rosewall for example might have a tougher time. but for the most part, great players are great players.
Agreed. People so easily forget.

Someone like teen Becker was just as groundbreaking and seen as impressive diving for volleys as let's say Djokovic splitting for a backhand like a Romanian gymnast called Nadia.
 
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