Players not participating at the Olympics

Aussie Darcy

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Been announced that John Isner is playing the Atlanta Open the same week as the Olympics. On top of this we've had Dominic Thiem say the Olympics isn't a priority.

Additionally, we've got quite a few players who haven't yet qualified for the Olympics due to not playing enough Davis Cup/Fed Cup ties. Currently you need to play for your country 3 times from 2013-2016.

On the mens side, players that haven't done this:
Nadal- has only played 2 DC ties in past 4 years. Only one chance left 17-19 July. Olympic tennis starts 8th August so I think he can still qualify if he plays the DC playoffs.
Kevin Anderson- won't play the Olympics. Doesn't play Davis Cup anymore, hasn't played any ties in past years.
Benoit Paire- Also won't play (guessing). Hasn't played any Davis Cup ties ever.
Feliciano Lopez- Also don't think he'll play, has only played 1 DC tie in past years.
Jack Sock- has played 2 DC ties, needs one more to qualify. USA will play 17-19 July so has a shot i think?
Pablo Cuevas- has only played 2 DC ties, needs another to qualify. They've already lost in the playoff so don't think he can qualify but wiki has him as qualified so I might be wrong
Ivo Karlovic- doesn't play DC anymore, hasn't played DC in recent years so can't qualify
Steve Johnson- Can't qualify I don't think, has only played 1 DC tie.
Jeremy Chardy- Hasn't played any DC ties, don't think he can play
Garcia-Lopez- Only played 1 DC tie, don't think he can qualify

And those are just some of the big names

On the females side, players that haven't qualified:
Muguruza- Has only played 2 Fed Cup ties. No more ties til the Olympics though so not qualified?
Wozniacki- Only played 1 Fed Cup tie. I read somewhere she's applying to the ITF for her to qualify.
Jankovic- Only played 2 Fed Cup ties, unsure if she'll play
Kasatkina- Only played 1 tie
Gavrilova- Only played 1 tie


Feel free to add more or amend my list. Quite a few big names not playing at this point. Wonder who else won't play?!
 
Bartelby

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The list just goes to show what a slightly tarnished competition the Olympics is. It's an offshoot of the ITF. And the ATP and WTA have the real power in tennis.
 
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Aussie Darcy said:
Been announced that John Isner is playing the Atlanta Open the same week as the Olympics. On top of this we've had Dominic Thiem say the Olympics isn't a priority.

Additionally, we've got quite a few players who haven't yet qualified for the Olympics due to not playing enough Davis Cup/Fed Cup ties. Currently you need to play for your country 3 times from 2013-2016.

On the mens side, players that haven't done this:
Nadal- has only played 2 DC ties in past 4 years. Only one chance left 17-19 July. Olympic tennis starts 8th August so I think he can still qualify if he plays the DC playoffs.
Kevin Anderson- won't play the Olympics. Doesn't play Davis Cup anymore, hasn't played any ties in past years.
Benoit Paire- Also won't play (guessing). Hasn't played any Davis Cup ties ever.
Feliciano Lopez- Also don't think he'll play, has only played 1 DC tie in past years.
Jack Sock- has played 2 DC ties, needs one more to qualify. USA will play 17-19 July so has a shot i think?
Pablo Cuevas- has only played 2 DC ties, needs another to qualify. They've already lost in the playoff so don't think he can qualify but wiki has him as qualified so I might be wrong
Ivo Karlovic- doesn't play DC anymore, hasn't played DC in recent years so can't qualify
Steve Johnson- Can't qualify I don't think, has only played 1 DC tie.
Jeremy Chardy- Hasn't played any DC ties, don't think he can play
Garcia-Lopez- Only played 1 DC tie, don't think he can qualify

And those are just some of the big names

On the females side, players that haven't qualified:
Muguruza- Has only played 2 Fed Cup ties. No more ties til the Olympics though so not qualified?
Wozniacki- Only played 1 Fed Cup tie. I read somewhere she's applying to the ITF for her to qualify.
Jankovic- Only played 2 Fed Cup ties, unsure if she'll play
Kasatkina- Only played 1 tie
Gavrilova- Only played 1 tie


Feel free to add more or amend my list. Quite a few big names not playing at this point. Wonder who else won't play?!
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Regarding Davis/Fed Cup. It only matters if you decline section. So those who don't get picked due to not being good enough at the time such as Chardy, Kasatakina, Paire etc are not penalized for not playing DC.

Karlovic and Anderson who decline DC duty can not participate. Dolgopolov the same I think.

Woz was supposed to reach her allocation last week but got injured. so she has to sort that out with ITF, should be a formality. Think the rules got bent for Nadal and the deadline extended. Spain have had very few ties due to their situation. But Nadal did reuse to play last year. He will meet the requirements when he plays the tie this July.

The limit is 4 players per country in singles, so the likes of Chardy, GGL won't qualify for the Olympics as it stands.
 
boredone3456

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I thought the rule on the womens side was you had to play 2 ties in the previous 4 years, and that one of them had to be either the year of the olympics or the year before? If thats the rule Muguruza might be in depending on when she played her ties, or she could file an appeal. I think Woz should get in on appeal if she was intending to play, named and then suffered an injury. If you are named to the squad but not fielded for the tie I believe it still counts as a selection because there was a similar question 4 years ago with someone else...I think it was Venus Williams because of her health issues?
 
eelhc

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Olympics are too big and bloated IMO.

The Olympics needs to be put on a diet and any sport in which the Olympics is NOT one of the premier events for the sport should be removed. For example... Soccer/Football... and is there really a need to have Golf at the Olympics? I would not be at all sad to see Tennis gone from the Olympics.

But it's going in the opposite direction... All of it is a big money grab for the IOC and a money drain for the hosting country...
 
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Regarding Olympics, one of the Bryan brothers had this to say: "Of all the trophies that we've won, we'd give them all back to win that one that we got in London." That is really saying something. They've won well over 100 titles. Even though they're primarily singles players, that '08 Olympics doubles gold for Fed & Stan may have meant a lot more than I'd realized.
 
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Aussie Darcy

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FedFosterWallace said:
Regarding Olympics, one of the Bryan brothers had this to say: ""Of all the trophies that we've won, we'd give them all back to win that one that we got in London." That is really saying something. They've won well over 100 titles. Even though they're primarily singles players, that '08 Olympics doubles gold for Fed & Stan may have meant a lot more than I'd realized.
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Wait what? We'd give all the trophies we've won, to get the one we got in London?? But they won the London 2012 gold??
 
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Aussie Darcy said:
Wait what? We'd give all the trophies we've won, to get the one we got in London?? But they won the London 2012 gold??
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I read it as they value it as highly as all of the rest combined. Guess the whole thing meant a ton to them.
 
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Aussie Darcy said:
Wait what? We'd give all the trophies we've won, to get the one we got in London?? But they won the London 2012 gold??
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They're basically saying that they would trade all their other titles for that Olympic one or that's how I understood it. However outrageous and over-the-top that sounds I guess we must never underestimate the thrill and pride winning Olympic gold for your country can give you. :)
 
Aussie Darcy

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Mainad said:
They're basically saying that they would trade all their other titles for that Olympic one or that's how I understood it. However outrageous and over-the-top that sounds I guess we must never underestimate the thrill and pride winning Olympic gold for your country can give you. :)
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Crazy. I mean I respect that but for all the slams they've won? Like wow.
 
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Chicharito said:
It is doubles mate.

Olympic gold way more important than a doubles slam.
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Agreed. In the doubles hierarchy of importance, I would put the Olympics at no. 1, Wimbledon at no. 2 and then the other 3 grand slams on a level below.

Even ignoring the big name players, I would assume that more people knew and cared about Gonzalez and Massu winning the doubles gold at Athens in 2004, than about Knowles and Nestor winning the US Open title 3 weeks later (I had to look that up) for example.

Wimbledon is clearly more important than the other 3 doubles slams. It is best of 5 sets all the way through while the others of best of 3 in every round, and doubles players and events do seem to be treated with a lot more respect at Wimbledon compared to the other slams.
 
eelhc

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I get the whole winning for ones country aspect. But when athletes change citizenship just so they can get into the olympics it's a bit of a sham.

There are also athletes who live and train outside their country with most of the time, who in fact depend on another country's system and infrastructure for their success, that compete for country that they were just born in. Really... Is Maria Sharipova Russian outside of birth?

Also what about tennis players who reside in Monaco to avoid paying taxes in their home country? Milos Raonic Canadian? Really? Born in Yugoslavia, made in Canada/US, but decides those countries are economically oppressive.

I enjoy the olympics immensely... But it's just entertainment to me. No deep meaning at all.


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tacou

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eelhc said:
Olympics are too big and bloated IMO.

The Olympics needs to be put on a diet and any sport in which the Olympics is NOT one of the premier events for the sport should be removed. For example... Soccer/Football... and is there really a need to have Golf at the Olympics? I would not be at all sad to see Tennis gone from the Olympics.

But it's going in the opposite direction... All of it is a big money grab for the IOC and a money drain for the hosting country...
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It's once every four years...it should be as big as possible.
 
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eelhc said:
Olympics are too big and bloated IMO.

The Olympics needs to be put on a diet and any sport in which the Olympics is NOT one of the premier events for the sport should be removed. For example... Soccer/Football... and is there really a need to have Golf at the Olympics? I would not be at all sad to see Tennis gone from the Olympics.

But it's going in the opposite direction... All of it is a big money grab for the IOC and a money drain for the hosting country...
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IOC kind of have no option. If they don't put the big sports in people wont watch. It was shown that viewers turn it off to watch their local football code and more traditional sports in years previous. If the Olyp goes back to a more traditional olyp sports event it will become a non-event. The other extreme is if they make it too bloated and countries lose money hosting then other than dodgy government using it to siphon public monies into private developers no country will want to host it.
 
eelhc

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PMChambers said:
IOC kind of have no option. If they don't put the big sports in people wont watch. It was shown that viewers turn it off to watch their local football code and more traditional sports in years previous. If the Olyp goes back to a more traditional olyp sports event it will become a non-event. The other extreme is if they make it too bloated and countries lose money hosting then other than dodgy government using it to siphon public monies into private developers no country will want to host it.
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Hence it means nothing but a big money grab for the IOC, an economic disaster for most hosting nations, and nothing but entertainment for me. The honor of competing for one's country... Ha!... a sham.

tacou said:
It's once every four years...it should be as big as possible.
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Why so that corrupt, self serving IOC organization can grab more money?
 
tacou

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eelhc said:
Why so that corrupt, self serving IOC organization can grab more money?
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I hope the IOC is disbanded in the future yes they are corrupt, so is every large gathering of humans handling money.

I still enjoy the Olympics and I think the idea of eliminating sports is a bad one.
 
eelhc

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tacou said:
I hope the IOC is disbanded in the future yes they are corrupt, so is every large gathering of humans handling money.

I still enjoy the Olympics and I think the idea of eliminating sports is a bad one.
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Not if it means the hosting countries don't have to build sports arenas and facilities that'll never be used again.

Also... the coverage of these popular events in the olympics that have their own majors/championships in lieu of the coverage/attention the events that only come around once every 4 years.

The fact the IOC voted to eliminate Wrestling from the olympics should tell you something.
 
Rusty Shackleford

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Bartelby said:
Sharapova may be back by the end of this week unless she has been sucking down the Meldonium with a straw.
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Aussie Darcy said:
Additionally, we've got quite a few players who haven't yet qualified for the Olympics due to not playing enough Davis Cup/Fed Cup ties. Currently you need to play for your country 3 times from 2013-2016.

Nadal- has only played 2 DC ties in past 4 years. Only one chance left 17-19 July. Olympic tennis starts 8th August so I think he can still qualify if he plays the DC playoffs.

Wozniacki- Only played 1 Fed Cup tie. I read somewhere she's applying to the ITF for her to qualify.



Feel free to add more or amend my list. Quite a few big names not playing at this point. Wonder who else won't play?!
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Rafa and Caro will both go to the ball as they have both been confirmed as their country's respective standard bearers.
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Rusty Shackleford

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Sentinel said:
You see, Rusty, as Bart was rightly saying, you cannot make anything other than poo/butt jokes. And that too in response to such refined humour from Sir Bart !
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As much as I stretch my lackluster, nay, paltry! mind, it fails to reach the otherworldly depths of Bartelby's gargantuan intellect. The more and more I wade through his matter-of-course sesquipedalian musings, the more I am convinced that it's not that he is not funny. It's just that he operates on a higher plane, and we, as mere mortals, are unequipped to understand his comedy.

Alas, 'tis back to poo and fart jokes for us, dear Senti. BTW, don't you hate it when you are trying to do a fart joke and it actually comes out as a poo joke? I have full drawers of drawers ruined because of that. ;)
 
Sentinel

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eelhc said:
I get the whole winning for ones country aspect. But when athletes change citizenship just so they can get into the olympics it's a bit of a sham.
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What do you do if the depth in your country is too much -- as happens with Kenyan runners. They have to move to Qatar or other nations as it is their dream from childhood to compete. Should they not have a right to compete ?

Or what if your country is banned from competing due to some political reasons. Should a sportsperson have to suffer -- example Zola Budd.
 
eelhc

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Sentinel said:
What do you do if the depth in your country is too much -- as happens with Kenyan runners. They have to move to Qatar or other nations as it is their dream from childhood to compete. Should they not have a right to compete ?
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This substantiates my point... it's less about bringing honor and recognition to ones country. It's about individual achievement and entertainment for the people who watch. National pride be damned...

Sentinel said:
Or what if your country is banned from competing due to some political reasons. Should a sportsperson have to suffer -- example Zola Budd.
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Then the athlete should be motivated to change the system. She applied for British citizenship... no? Not sure what her views on Apartheid was.... and what irony... Nazis hosted the Olympics.
 
West Coast Ace

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ivan_the_terrible said:
As you can see, the Nadal is very, very committed to the Olympics. The level of intensity he exudes is palpable. He's going for gold, barring any sudden drop in confidence, of course.
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I was going to say 'needs photogs to wrap it up so he can get to the nearest restroom ASAP'.

I have no problem with players who a) don't like being forced by the corrupt ITF to play DC to be eligible and make tens of millions of dollars for the more corrupt IOC(Zika); b) don't want to risk illness or injury (don't forget crime is rampant in Brazil - F1 team was robbed in broad daylight in traffic a few yrs back); c) don't want the disruption to their schedule and want to concentrate on the N Amer hard court season and earn points headed into the USO.
 
Sentinel

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eelhc said:
Then the athlete should be motivated to change the system. She applied for British citizenship... no? Not sure what her views on Apartheid was.... and what irony... Nazis hosted the Olympics.
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It's not that simple. First of all, an athlete is an athlete not a politician. There is no need for politics to mix with athletics in the first place.

Second, changing a system or a nation is not easy for entire political parties and you speak about one person who has no knowledge of politics ?
 
Sentinel

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eelhc said:
This substantiates my point... it's less about bringing honor and recognition to ones country. It's about individual achievement and entertainment for the people who watch. National pride be damned...
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I agree on this, but just my personal 2c. I don't think most players who play team games really care about the nation. It's mostly about themselves. The nation thing is put on for the country, for the viewers.
 
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eelhc said:
Olympics are too big and bloated IMO.

The Olympics needs to be put on a diet and any sport in which the Olympics is NOT one of the premier events for the sport should be removed. For example... Soccer/Football... and is there really a need to have Golf at the Olympics? I would not be at all sad to see Tennis gone from the Olympics.

But it's going in the opposite direction... All of it is a big money grab for the IOC and a money drain for the hosting country...
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Agree Squash should be in and tennis out, it would be a big deal for squash.
 
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As a big squash fan I completely agree that it should be part of the Olympic programme. It should have been included a long time ago. It is a pretty global sport, has a well established set-up for both men and women, and the olympic gold medal would be the pinnacle achievement. Apparently the major roadblock stopping its inclusion has been the IOC thinking that it is not TV friendly enough, and that it is too difficult for viewers to see the ball. However I do think that steps have been taken to rectify that, and for me there is not valid reason for it not to be there.

I would also like to see Futsal being added to the Olympics, although that won't be happening any time soon. It is a very entertaining sport, and again is pretty global with 24 teams competing in it's World Cup every 4 years. Also an Olympic tournament would be a huge deal for the sport and great for it's exposure.
 
eelhc

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Sentinel said:
It's not that simple. First of all, an athlete is an athlete not a politician. There is no need for politics to mix with athletics in the first place.

Second, changing a system or a nation is not easy for entire political parties and you speak about one person who has no knowledge of politics ?
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Gertraud "Traudl" Junge

"Of course, the horrors, of which I heard in connection of the Nuremberg trials; the fate of the 6 million Jews, their killing and those of many others who represented different races and creeds, shocked me greatly, but, at that time, I could not see any connection between these things and my own past. I was only happy that I had not personally been guilty of these things and that I had not been aware of the scale of these things. However, one day, I walked past a plaque on the Franz-Joseph Straße (in Munich), on the wall in memory of Sophie Scholl. I could see that she had been born the same year as I, and that she had been executed the same year I entered into Hitler’s service. And, at that moment, I really realised that it was no excuse that I had been so young. I could perhaps have tried to find out about things."
 
Sentinel

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eelhc said:
Gertraud "Traudl" Junge

"Of course, the horrors, of which I heard in connection of the Nuremberg trials; the fate of the 6 million Jews, their killing and those of many others who represented different races and creeds, shocked me greatly, but, at that time, I could not see any connection between these things and my own past. I was only happy that I had not personally been guilty of these things and that I had not been aware of the scale of these things. However, one day, I walked past a plaque on the Franz-Joseph Straße (in Munich), on the wall in memory of Sophie Scholl. I could see that she had been born the same year as I, and that she had been executed the same year I entered into Hitler’s service. And, at that moment, I really realised that it was no excuse that I had been so young. I could perhaps have tried to find out about things."
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So what are you trying to say.

That Zola Budd should have fixed apartheid instead of running in the O ?
 
eelhc

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Sentinel said:
So what are you trying to say.

That Zola Budd should have fixed apartheid instead of running in the O ?
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No ...

You said she is one person who has no knowledge of politics. We don't know that. But as her country was practicing Apartheid, she was more interested in personal gain even going as far as changing flags.

Olympics are entertainment... Simply that. There are far more important matters. It would have been no great tragedy if she were not allowed to compete.
 
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Also for the Mixed Doubles, I think, an Olympic Gold Medal is more important than any Major, exhibition or Hopman Cup.
 
Chicharito

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Spanish tennis player Feliciano Lopez says he will not play at the Olympics in Rio de Janeiro.

The 23rd-ranked Lopez wrote on his Twitter account that he has decided to focus on his preparations for the summer tournaments in the United States.

Lopez, who would likely be eligible to make it to the tournament in Rio, played at the 2004 Olympics in Athens and the 2012 Games in London, both times failing to win medals.

The 34-year-old Lopez says it was "a difficult decision to make" and that he hopes other Spanish players can have the chance to enjoy the "unforgettable experience" of being part of the Olympics.

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Looks like Nadal and Marc Lopez in the doubles then?
 
Aussie Darcy

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Chicharito said:
Spanish tennis player Feliciano Lopez says he will not play at the Olympics in Rio de Janeiro.

The 23rd-ranked Lopez wrote on his Twitter account that he has decided to focus on his preparations for the summer tournaments in the United States.

Lopez, who would likely be eligible to make it to the tournament in Rio, played at the 2004 Olympics in Athens and the 2012 Games in London, both times failing to win medals.

The 34-year-old Lopez says it was "a difficult decision to make" and that he hopes other Spanish players can have the chance to enjoy the "unforgettable experience" of being part of the Olympics.

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Looks like Nadal and Marc Lopez in the doubles then?
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Unsure if Zika is being discussed overseas like it is here in Oz but quite a few athletes are pulling out because of it. I think our 2nd best golfer has said he's not going as his wife is pregnant and he doesn't want to risk it at all. I'm interested to see if any WTA players will make the same choice, Ivanovic is likely wanting to have a child soon and many more will one day hope to have kids. I wonder if this is something we'll see happen. Tbh I think some people are being over the top, one guy said there's a cover up by the world health organisation and the IOC.

But should be interesting in the lead up.
 
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