Players that reached their best ranking: 2003-07 vs 2008-15

Lew II

Lew II

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Players that reached their best ranking (top5):

2003-07:

#1 Hewitt
#1 Agassi
#1 Ferrero
#1 Roddick
#1 Federer
#3 Coria
#3 Nalbandian
#3 Davydenko
#3 Ljubicic
#4 Henman
#4 Blake
#5 Schuettler
#5 Gaudio
#5 Robredo
#5 Gonzalez

15 players in 5 years --> 3 players per year

2008-15:

#1 Federer
#1 Nadal
#1 Djokovic
#3 Ferrer
#3 Wawrinka
#4 Soderling
#4 Nishikori
#4 Berdych
#5 Tsonga

9 players in 8 years --> 1.1 players per year
 
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Lew II

Lew II

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In 2016-19:

#1 big four
#3 stan
#3 delpo
#3 cilic
#3 zverev
#3 dimitrov
#3 raonic
#4 nishikori
#4 medvedev
#5 anderson
#5 tsitsipas

14 players in 4 years --> 3.5 per year

The younger of them Zverev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas will probably reach a higher b.r. later, but even excluding them it would be 11 in 4 years (2.75 per year) so a similar level of inconsistency to pre-2008.
 
Tennis is evolving

Tennis is evolving

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Lew II said:
I didn't write that.
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You did. You said players that reached their best ranking when you know Agassi became number 1 in 1995, Hewitt in 2001 and Henman became number 4 in 2002. You also listed the "Big 4" as a collective group in order to give the illusion the difference is greater than it really is.

Federer also needs to be excluded from the second list.
 
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TearTheRoofOff said:
Like irrelevant and misleading stats are any better. If anything, they are generally more dangerous. See anti-vax etc.
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It's irrelevant to you, not to me or many others... This data is fact, which clearly show 2003-07 was WTA like, just put Federer instead of Serena...
 
TearTheRoofOff

TearTheRoofOff

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beard said:
It's irrelevant to you, not to me or many others... This data is fact, which clearly show 2003-07 was WTA like, just put Federer instead of Serena...
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The stat is a fact but the interpretation of 'what it tells us' is not. The conclusions are not necessarily tied to the premise, which suggests the argument is potentially invalid. Is it a strong field decking eachother or a crap field decking eachother? How would you determine that? Is parity among peers indicative of less depth or more? It's all relative and implicit. Sure, I watch the tennis to see what I think, which is not objective at all, but at least I don't pretend to know the answers to these questions.
 
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beard said:
Try publishing scientific paper using eye test, and explain editors and reviewers your agenda :giggle:
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try having a peer review in an attempt to publish a scientific paper based on cherry picked and irrelevant bunch of random numbers
 
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blablavla

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Lew II said:
Players that reached their best ranking (top5):

2003-07:

#1 Hewitt
#1 Agassi
#1 Ferrero
#1 Roddick
#1 Federer
#3 Coria
#3 Nalbandian
#3 Davydenko
#3 Ljubicic
#4 Henman
#4 Blake
#5 Schuettler
#5 Gaudio
#5 Robredo
#5 Gonzalez

15 players in 5 years --> 3 players per year

2008-15:

#1 Federer
#1 Nadal
#1 Djokovic
#3 Ferrer
#3 Wawrinka
#4 Soderling
#4 Nishikori
#4 Berdych
#5 Tsonga

9 players in 8 years --> 1.1 players per year
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@Lew II
1. why 2003 - 2007
2. why 2008 - 2015
3. what about past periods of time say: 1998 - 2002, 1993 - 1997, 1988 - 1992, 1983 - 1987, etc., so we could see which one fits into history, and which one is the outlier?
 
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travlerajm

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Tennis is evolving said:
You did. You said players that reached their best ranking when you know Agassi became number 1 in 1995, Hewitt in 2001 and Henman became number 4 in 2002. You also listed the "Big 4" as a collective group in order to give the illusion the difference is greater than it really is.

Federer also needs to be excluded from the second list.
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His thread. His rules. It doesn’t matter whether they also reached their top ranking at another time.
 
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RelentlessAttack

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beard said:
No because I can't check if you really know... You can easily check Lews data if you think it's wrong... One of main postulates of science is that everyone can check results...
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As the guy above said, it’s mostly just confirmation bias. If you can look at a stat and say, great given this framing this proves the weak era and I can say great given my framing it proves the strong era, the stat is not useful in isolation. The numbers are evidence, but your conclusions are not “science”. Science is a process, a mechanism for finding knowledge, and nothing posted here on TTW meets the criteria. Science is not not an authority or repository of knowledge that you can appeal to.
 
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Phoenix1983 said:
Hahaha...this is exactly what I think whenever Lew posts a thread like this.

I would love it if he and the late 5555 had replied to each other.
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5555 was posts were a little entertaining in underlining and bolding in his choice of words. Lew as a successor of 5555 is as good as the next gen is to the big 3

Surprised you were around when 5555 was. Hardly recall your posts back when he was alive on here
 
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Phoenix1983

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5555 was posts were a little entertaining in underlining and bolding in his choice of words. Lew as a successor of 5555 is as good as the next gen is to the big 3

Surprised you were around when 5555 was. Hardly recall your posts back when he was alive on here
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I joined in 2012, same year as you.
 
beard

beard

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RelentlessAttack said:
As the guy above said, it’s mostly just confirmation bias. If you can look at a stat and say, great given this framing this proves the weak era and I can say great given my framing it proves the strong era, the stat is not useful in isolation. The numbers are evidence, but your conclusions are not “science”. Science is a process, a mechanism for finding knowledge, and nothing posted here on TTW meets the criteria. Science is not not an authority or repository of knowledge that you can appeal to.
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You are completely right, but we will leave reviewers to decide if methodology and results are good... My point was that data is good, facts...
 
beard

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Phoenix1983 said:
In some communist countries, 99.9% of voters voted for the ruling party. Does that mean that 99.9% of people support them?
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I don't understand what that has to with the fact that numbers in opening post are facts... You can discuss those numbers the way you want, and I can agree or disagree... You are welcome to disagree with my interpretation od data...
 
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Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
beard said:
I don't understand what that has to with the fact that numbers in opening post are facts... You can discuss those numbers the way you want, and I can agree or disagree... You are welcome to disagree with my interpretation od data...
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You said facts are facts, but some numbers are not facts.
 
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