Playing with my Dad

Richboi

Rookie
Hit the courts when my dad was in town. He rarely plays now since I moved to New York (I’m from Belize) but it’s always great getting a session in with him. He knows my game the best — every piece of advice he gives is always game changing.

It’s a slow process sometimes when you try to teach/analyze your own game but it’s also difficult to find the right coach who actually puts in the work for your improvement. (Also insanely pricey).

The more i think about it, the more i regret not listening to him when i was younger :confused:

It’s mostly just rallying from the back, some volleys and i hit a couple of serves towards the end. Check it out and let me know what you think!

 
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Richboi

Rookie
Nice. In fact, quite good. How old is dad? What was the peak level for both of you?
Thank you! I am at my peak level at the moment. I don’t really have a good gauge on it since I do not compete much. But I’d say between 4.5-5.0 ntrp (UTR is too complicated for now)

My dad hit thru the ball a little more and use more legs when he was younger — his shots would be more or less the same as in the video.

He’s almost hitting 50 I think. Very young for his age. His knees are holding him back from moving more on the court.





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Mountain Ghost

Semi-Pro
Forehand stroke is very nice ... though you're not getting much rotational (angular) momentum ... due to your weight being almost outside of your right foot a lot ... thereby not having a planted foot to push off of. Notice how little your shoulders rotate on the follow through after contact? This is a sign there isn't much rotational momentum. The stroke still works well as is ... so it's not like your effectiveness suffers much ... but I'd still like to see you intentionally plant your right foot more outside of the rotational axis.

On what backhands were visible ... I'm not fond of how high ... how far out away from your body ... and how LONG you hold everything at the back of the backswing ... before the forward stroke begins. The racquet head is barely getting far enough back to where the handle is aimed at the left net post. I'd have you think about keeping your right elbow closer to your stomach throughout the backswing ... and being more mindful of your upper body vertical axis. You have a practiced habit of bending over a bit much.

I like the simplicity of your serve ... though there's not a lot of hitting up ... and there's a little falling off to the left. I'd like to see more right elbow bend ... (full 90 degrees) ... earlier at "trophy" ... and not sure the gap between your elbow and the right side of your stomach at your original set position is helpful. I do like the form of your take back though. If I was on a court with you I'd fine tune it a bit.

Overall ... very good components ~ MG
 
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Chadalina

Guest
Hit the courts when my dad was in town. He rarely plays now since I moved to New York (I’m from Belize) but it’s always great getting a session in with him. He knows my game the best — every piece of advice he gives is always game changing.

It’s a slow process sometimes when you try to teach/analyze your own game but it’s also difficult to find the right coach who actually puts in the work for your improvement. (Also insanely pricey).

The more i think about it, the more i regret not listening to him when i was younger :confused:

It’s mostly just rallying from the back, some volleys and i hit a couple of serves towards the end. Check it out and let me know what you think!

Great hitting, i get to play with my dad as well :)

Id give you a strong 4.5. Use a pink grip though (-1 ntrp), 3.5 in this section of the forum :)
 

Richboi

Rookie
Forehand stroke is very nice ... though you're not getting much rotational (angular) momentum ... due to your weight being almost outside of your right foot a lot ... thereby not having a planted foot to push off of. Notice how little your shoulders rotate on the follow through after contact? This is a sign there isn't much rotational momentum. The stroke still works well as is ... so it's not like your effectiveness suffers much ... but I'd still like to see you intentionally plant your right foot more outside of the rotational axis.

On what backhands were visible ... I'm not fond of how high ... how far out away from your body ... and how LONG you hold everything at the back of the backswing ... before the forward stroke begins. The racquet head is barely getting far enough back to where the handle is aimed at the left net post. I'd have you think about keeping your right elbow closer to your stomach throughout the backswing ... and being more mindful of your upper body vertical axis. You have a practiced habit of bending over a bit much.

I like the simplicity of your serve ... though there's not a lot of hitting up ... and there's a little falling off to the left. I'd like to see more right elbow bend ... (full 90 degrees) ... earlier at "trophy" ... and not sure the gap between your elbow and the right side of your stomach at your original set position is helpful. I do like the form of your take back though. If I was on a court with you I'd fine tune it a bit.

Overall ... very good components ~ MG
I have never gotten a detailed analysis like that before. So for my forehand, I am leaning towards my right too often, so you want me to plant my foot a little more out (from my shoulder)?

Backhand - My bh has always been more stiff/jammed when I hit it, to the point that I wanted to switch to a one hander because it felt more natural (I have posted a video previously about it). I could not agree more on what you stated. I just did some shadow swings and will keep it in mind. The tip about my right elbow helps me to gauge how much I can take back. You also said that the timing of my take back is also off as I lag a little too long, which kills my momentum and fluidity of my stroke. As regard to bending over, am I leaning forward a little too much? I do get all the points you have made about the BH, it is definitely the stroke I need to work on.

Serve - I just switched it up a bit and was working on my contact in the video. My father gave me some pointers on how I could get more pop on it. Because I always felt as though something was holding me back, i knew it could go harder. Points noted, will work on it.

Thank you again for the tips, Ive never really broken down my strokes in that manner before. I guess it's time to start now :cool:
 

FiReFTW

Legend
lol people on this forum still don't get that you can't rate someone's level by watching him hitting on a video casually
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
Hit the courts when my dad was in town. He rarely plays now since I moved to New York (I’m from Belize) but it’s always great getting a session in with him. He knows my game the best — every piece of advice he gives is always game changing.

It’s a slow process sometimes when you try to teach/analyze your own game but it’s also difficult to find the right coach who actually puts in the work for your improvement. (Also insanely pricey).

The more i think about it, the more i regret not listening to him when i was younger :confused:

It’s mostly just rallying from the back, some volleys and i hit a couple of serves towards the end. Check it out and let me know what you think!

I think it's great that you and your dad can hit together, hopefully my son will do that with me.
 

Richboi

Rookie
lol people on this forum still don't get that you can't rate someone's level by watching him hitting on a video casually
Yup, so many things to consider. Many times you see guys with mediocre technique and skillset beat guys that are destroying the ball during practice.
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
You can see their mechanics and go from there. How NTRP ratings used to be done, watch them hit for 15mins and rate.
Exactly!
You may not get to the UTR decimal point rating, but you can clearly see either one of them would destroy a 3.5 player.
 

Mountain Ghost

Semi-Pro
I have never gotten a detailed analysis like that before. So for my forehand, I am leaning towards my right too often, so you want me to plant my foot a little more out (from my shoulder)?

Backhand - My bh has always been more stiff/jammed when I hit it, to the point that I wanted to switch to a one hander because it felt more natural (I have posted a video previously about it). I could not agree more on what you stated. I just did some shadow swings and will keep it in mind. The tip about my right elbow helps me to gauge how much I can take back. You also said that the timing of my take back is also off as I lag a little too long, which kills my momentum and fluidity of my stroke. As regard to bending over, am I leaning forward a little too much? I do get all the points you have made about the BH, it is definitely the stroke I need to work on.

Serve - I just switched it up a bit and was working on my contact in the video. My father gave me some pointers on how I could get more pop on it. Because I always felt as though something was holding me back, i knew it could go harder. Points noted, will work on it.

Thank you again for the tips, Ive never really broken down my strokes in that manne
Forehand ... YES ... right foot outside of right shoulder ... plus as vertical as you can with upper body ... don't go for power as you practice just working on balance and vertical rotation.

Backhand ... think of the racquet head going behind your BODY on the backswing (handle aimed at left net post) ... NOT behind the ball. Elbow more into stomach ... and once again ... upper body more vertical ... hitting out instead mostly across. You won't be able to hit out as much as you could with a 1HBH ... but it still goes OUT before coming across.

Serve ... racquet head goes UP ... as the arm swings on a line more toward the right net post ... only the racquet face is actually aimed toward your target (deuce service box). Don't go for more power as you work on hitting up (and out) more. Power will be easy to add later ~ MG
 
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Chadalina

Guest
If I would post my hitting with a coach down the middle and hitting some serves, people would say 4.5+ could be 5.0+ even

In reality its much different
Feel free too, like watching your improvement.

Much like you said about yourself, you dont know how good someone is until they are under pressure.

But after a while you can generalize talent level. What makes you think he isnt a 4.5?

Look at the depth he gets when fully accelerating, natural, doesnt change stroke, gets depth with power not loop. I see very early prep and other good stuff.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Feel free too, like watching your improvement.

Much like you said about yourself, you dont know how good someone is until they are under pressure.

But after a while you can generalize talent level. What makes you think he isnt a 4.5?

Look at the depth he gets when fully accelerating, natural, doesnt change stroke, gets depth with power not loop. I see very early prep and other good stuff.
Haha well obviously now its slightly different when people know my history and how long im playing and my match experience and this and that.
Just meant if I was unknown around here and posted just my strokes and serve (in a non match scenario).

He might be 4.5, but maybe he is much lower, or maybe he is much higher, get what I mean?
Just saying its hard to know that just based on strokes alone, since alot of ppl here said looks like X level.
 
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Chadalina

Guest
Haha well obviously now its slightly different when people know my history and how long im playing and my match experience and this and that.
Just meant if I was unknown around here and posted just my strokes and serve (in a non match scenario).

He might be 4.5, but maybe he is much lower, or maybe he is much higher, get what I mean?
Just saying its hard to know that just based on strokes alone, since alot of ppl here said looks like X level.
Ive talked to you a long time now, you sent me a pm (old account) saying how positive i was. Your passion for the game is one i will always remember and respect. Strokes are looking very good as well.

I look at it from the tools they have, he could be 4.5+ like you say, but impossible to see unless playing against a 5.0 (no offense to your dad rich). I just dont see a 4.0 pushing him around
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Ive talked to you a long time now, you sent me a pm (old account) saying how positive i was. Your passion for the game is one i will always remember and respect. Strokes are looking very good as well.
Thanks, dont remember was it a different nickname?

My passion for tennis is huge and it means the world to me, but last 2 months or so are not rly going well for me, ive not really progressed that much because I really can't and im hampered and limited, so itd hard to do much properly.

And for the first time ever ive not really enjoyed playing tennis most of the time lately, not because my passion is not there it is big and I love tennis, but its just frustrating to play like this when ur not healthy and not capable of doing things even close to 100% and in pain constantly.
 

TnsGuru

Professional
Federer FH with a 2 handed backhand...nice combo. Do you play tournaments or leagues? Even Federer says he would teach a two-hander to his kids over the one-handed backhand.
 

Richboi

Rookie
Ive talked to you a long time now, you sent me a pm (old account) saying how positive i was. Your passion for the game is one i will always remember and respect. Strokes are looking very good as well.

I look at it from the tools they have, he could be 4.5+ like you say, but impossible to see unless playing against a 5.0 (no offense to your dad rich). I just dont see a 4.0 pushing him around
No worries. I’ve hit with 5.0s and college players, just didn’t record them. Will do so in the future though.


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Richboi

Rookie
Thanks, dont remember was it a different nickname?

My passion for tennis is huge and it means the world to me, but last 2 months or so are not rly going well for me, ive not really progressed that much because I really can't and im hampered and limited, so itd hard to do much properly.

And for the first time ever ive not really enjoyed playing tennis most of the time lately, not because my passion is not there it is big and I love tennis, but its just frustrating to play like this when ur not healthy and not capable of doing things even close to 100% and in pain constantly.
What exactly is bothering you?


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Richboi

Rookie
Federer FH with a 2 handed backhand...nice combo. Do you play tournaments or leagues? Even Federer says he would teach a two-hander to his kids over the one-handed backhand.
I wouldn’t say it’s a federer fh haha. I’ve been asked before to play in the usta 4.5 doubles league but haven’t fully committed to them as yet. Don’t really play much tournaments since my junior (13-16 y.o) days in Belize.


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Richboi

Rookie
Federer FH with a 2 handed backhand...nice combo. Do you play tournaments or leagues? Even Federer says he would teach a two-hander to his kids over the one-handed backhand.
I have played in some mini league match play around New York. And also participated in Tennis on Campus. Which is like college intramural tennis.


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FiReFTW

Legend
I don't know, I looked at your videos and would guess 4.0. Am I close?
Maybe ur also looking at point videos? My main point was not that, I just meant that just looking at pure technique and strokes, shots, pace of the ball etc.. If people here would know nothing about me and I posted these vids:



Im pretty sure alot of people would have no problem imagining that I could be 5.0 based on shots alone, specially serve, considering there are people at that level like iRacer who don't hit nearly as hard and have much worse technique

But this doesn't mean much because there are many other factors to consider not only how the technique looks or how the shots are
 

FiReFTW

Legend
What exactly is bothering you?


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Eh im having lower back problems for like 2 months now, really struggling with it, I take it very easy for 1 week, maybe go play 1 or 2 times very casual, some massages, gets slightly better, then whenever I play for real and some sets or so it gets worse again
 

Gyswandir

Semi-Pro
Eh im having lower back problems for like 2 months now, really struggling with it, I take it very easy for 1 week, maybe go play 1 or 2 times very casual, some massages, gets slightly better, then whenever I play for real and some sets or so it gets worse again
Have you had it checked?
I had problems after a particularly strenuous match and doctor was saying I have some deterioration in my disk + some issues with my hip joint. The chiropractor helped in the short term, but what really helped in the long run were aggressive foam rolling for the back, bridges and lying down twists. I religiously followed this routine for 6 months (4 of which I was playing) and now I do deadlifts at 3x8@85kg and same for squats.
getting strong really helps protect you from lots of stuff and improves your performance on the court Wish I had started, when I was younger
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Have you had it checked?
I had problems after a particularly strenuous match and doctor was saying I have some deterioration in my disk + some issues with my hip joint. The chiropractor helped in the short term, but what really helped in the long run were aggressive foam rolling for the back, bridges and lying down twists. I religiously followed this routine for 6 months (4 of which I was playing) and now I do deadlifts at 3x8@85kg and same for squats.
getting strong really helps protect you from lots of stuff and improves your performance on the court Wish I had started, when I was younger
No I didnt. How did yor doc determine the issue? Did you have some mri done or something?

You cant foam roll lower back tho as far as i know hm.. but yeah for sure I agree, the stronger your core the better for these issues.
 

Gyswandir

Semi-Pro
No I didnt. How did yor doc determine the issue? Did you have some mri done or something?

You cant foam roll lower back tho as far as i know hm.. but yeah for sure I agree, the stronger your core the better for these issues.
MRI
you can. I did. Start from the glutes and work your way up to the shoulder blades. Add rolling to the sides (close to obliques) as well
 
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Chadalina

Guest
No worries. I’ve hit with 5.0s and college players, just didn’t record them. Will do so in the future though.


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Nah, i trust you because i can see it. But videos are always something people like watching.

No I didnt. How did yor doc determine the issue? Did you have some mri done or something?

You cant foam roll lower back tho as far as i know hm.. but yeah for sure I agree, the stronger your core the better for these issues.
Is yours getting better or worse? Some parts of the body you dont mess around with
 

FiReFTW

Legend
Is yours getting better or worse? Some parts of the body you dont mess around with
What do you mean?

My back was always fine but I started feeling something like 2.5months ago or so but kept playing and it got much worse.

Now i cant get rid of it, it hurts alot, I take a week and almost dont play, go twice or so very easily and casually, then it gets SLIGHTLY better, then whenever i play a match for real or so it gets horrible again.

Btw my personal doc told me i can come in 1 month no free spot before.... lol...waiting 1 month to just see the doc, then 2 or 3 for whatever appointment he gives u... might aswell die if u have a deadly disease in the time u get somewhere in this healthcare.
 

dgold44

G.O.A.T.
Hit the courts when my dad was in town. He rarely plays now since I moved to New York (I’m from Belize) but it’s always great getting a session in with him. He knows my game the best — every piece of advice he gives is always game changing.

It’s a slow process sometimes when you try to teach/analyze your own game but it’s also difficult to find the right coach who actually puts in the work for your improvement. (Also insanely pricey).

The more i think about it, the more i regret not listening to him when i was younger :confused:

It’s mostly just rallying from the back, some volleys and i hit a couple of serves towards the end. Check it out and let me know what you think!

Damn good FH and your Dad never seems to make an error lol
 
Thanks, dont remember was it a different nickname?

My passion for tennis is huge and it means the world to me, but last 2 months or so are not rly going well for me, ive not really progressed that much because I really can't and im hampered and limited, so itd hard to do much properly.

And for the first time ever ive not really enjoyed playing tennis most of the time lately, not because my passion is not there it is big and I love tennis, but its just frustrating to play like this when ur not healthy and not capable of doing things even close to 100% and in pain constantly.
Sorry to hear you are injured. Be patient. Focus on what you CAN do. You are young and the journey is long.


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FiReFTW

Legend
Sorry to hear you are injured. Be patient. Focus on what you CAN do. You are young and the journey is long.


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I wish i was as optimistic as you.

I knew and had a plan exactly what to work on this winter, now its all gone down the drain.
Not that im gonna improve im going to regress not playing.

And who knows how long this takes to heal maybe i wont even be able to play summer league and tournaments.

Who knows, maybe its something chronic and il never be able to really play again, many players quit on tour because of chronic injuries.

So yeah, i wish I was as optimistic as you but im not very.
 
I wish i was as optimistic as you.

I knew and had a plan exactly what to work on this winter, now its all gone down the drain.
Not that im gonna improve im going to regress not playing.

And who knows how long this takes to heal maybe i wont even be able to play summer league and tournaments.

Who knows, maybe its something chronic and il never be able to really play again, many players quit on tour because of chronic injuries.

So yeah, i wish I was as optimistic as you but im not very.
Optimism can be learned. It is an acquired skill. Your current mindset makes it less likely you will fully recover and return to the sport you love. And there is plenty you can do off court to improve your tennis that will not risk injury to your back. My wife, a former professional dancer, has had two MAJOR back injuries and after the second was told she would likely never walk fully properly again. With years of PT she is as active and perhaps more fit than ever. Don’t sell your body’s ability to heal short!!!


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FiReFTW

Legend
Optimism can be learned. It is an acquired skill. Your current mindset makes it less likely you will fully recover and return to the sport you love. And there is plenty you can do off court to improve your tennis that will not risk injury to your back. My wife, a former professional dancer, has had two MAJOR back injuries and after the second was told she would likely never walk fully properly again. With years of PT she is as active and perhaps more fit than ever. Don’t sell your body’s ability to heal short!!!


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Thanks for sharing I enjoyed reading thst, thats not only helpful but inspirational!
 
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