Playing With NO insole

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  1. Gut4Tennis

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    I seem to like playing with no insole

    gives me a better heal lock down, and a lower to the ground feel.

    anyone else?
     
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    I did it with Courtballistec 2.3 and double socks, worked fine!
     
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    yes and in many cases you need to get a size or half size smaller with no insole
     
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    I was using a Babolat Pro Pulse 4 and liked the strap which secures my feet but when the stock insoles were worn down I started having knee issues so I used Shock Doctor Court Insoles....did not notice any improvement and now using 2015 Barricades without insoles and I feel it has better stability and cushioning.
     
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    yep lower to the ground = better stability
     
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    I think there is some truth to this, but be careful. Athletic shoes have insoles for a variety of reasons (i.e. maintain traction, prevent blisters, keep feet dry, cushion, among others). I would evaluate the shoe you're removing the insoles from. For instance, I would not remove the insoles from a poorly-cushioned shoe (vapor 9.5, ubersonic, low-end performance shoes), but I could easily do without the insoles in my lunar ballistics, adidas boost barricade or another well-cushioned shoe.
     
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    yes I agree, but lets be honest, those insoles that come with a shoe offer almost no cushioning.

    I love the feel of no insole, but I wear a very thick pair of heavy weight hiking merino wool socks
     
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    I imagine it's highly dependent on the shoe. I remember trying this with the 2007 Nike Oscillate. They ran small, so I tried to compensate by removing the insole. Really did a number on my feet.
     
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    I have been removing my innersoles on Asics Peed solution shoes for a few years. I needed to
    go down a half size to accomodate the extra space in the shoe.
    I prefer the lower feeling of the shoe. Helps with stability and ankle roll prevention.
    I also like the lack of cushioning which then helps me be aware of being lighter on my contact, and allow my feet and legs to
    be the shock absorders.
     
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    Played with no insoles in my lunar ballistecs.
    I didnt notice THAT big of a difference in cushioning but padded socks help. I dont really need the extra stability but Im digging it.
     
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    You have no arch support. In the short term you may not have discomfort, but in the long term you will develop significant issues, potentially debilitating.
     
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    This is especially true for players with a high arch. You could suffer a sprain that eventually could lead to a stress fracture.

    As I said before, I really wouldn't play without an insole unless you have an full-length midsole of good cushioning.

    Otherwise, on a hard court, or even clay for that matter, your knees and joints are put under additional stress

    Even minimalists will agree, insoles are crucial to any performance tech, and a minimalist shoe will typically conform to the arch to reduce the stress of impact on heel/toe strikes
     
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    I go back and forth between no insole and using the black superfeet insoles. My feet seem to appreciate changing things up on a regular basis

    peace
     
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    Definitely not a good idea to play without insoles. You'll get plantar fasciitis and learn the hard way why insoles are put in shoes.
     
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    Put the insoles back in my shoes. Didn't get pain in my arches but the balls of my feet hurt after playing.

    No pain once the insoles were put in.
     
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    Lets be honest... the insoles that come with shoes are usually so weak they dont really do a darn thing.
     
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    2 socks and aftermarket thick insole. I feel like an old guy or at least my knees are old.
     
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    Sounds scary, but how about double socks with no insoles?
    After all, this is what some pros are doing, notably Federer
    (I'm thinking of doing that with my AirMax Cages to get a more secure fit)
     
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    That would be better than one pair of socks (I've played with two pair also and there is a lot more cushioning) but I still wouldn't recommend it personally. As far as what the pros are doing I believe most have custom orthodics in their shoes. Every time I see them change their shoes out they take out the orthodics and put them in the new pair.
     
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    Any scientific proof to this?
    You get the PF with playing insoles too.
     
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    Really, really doubt that. Plantar fasciitis happens when the shoe bends in the midfoot and thus it stretches the foot in the wrong area. Insoles that come with the shoes don't have any device to prevent that. On the other hand, aftermarket insoles might have the midfoot support needed to prevent bending there.
     
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    I've been playing for over 20 years with no PF or foot problems, except for the one time I tried playing for a few weeks without insoles and got PF. Took me 5 or 6 months to recover, then went back to playing with insoles and never had a problem since. I hope that's scientific enough for you guys :rolleyes:
     
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    Tonight I played a hard fought match for three hours with no insoles and you scare me lol. I don't feel anything different now but let's see tomorrow. Feel was better for sure but I think because the bottom of foot moves and has direct contact to harder part of the shoe, it will cause abrasion after sometime. Maybe the feet will adopt in time but if not there will be a high cost. A very thin and supportive insole can be the middle ground.
     
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    Honestly you are prob fine just playing a few times but I wouldn't take the riskā€¦if you get PF it can take a long time to heal :(
     
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    Have you ever talked to a podiatrist about what's the cause of plantar fasciitis?
     
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    My feet are alright after playing a 2:50 match last night with no insoles. Shoes I was wearing were Asics Solution Speed 3 (which I do not recommend though).
    My feet feel a bit miserable today which is normal but it was worse with insoles last time after a three setter. Worse thing I have some burning sensation under the feet which is because they were moving more freely with contact to midsole. I will not force this as I am scared of hurting my feet, thanks to @Shaolin lol. I bought new socks that cover my feet better and firm and will let them move in the shoes. I will use an insole as thin as possible. I will not use the insole for walking and such as I love it without insoles. I only need it when hopping or putting extra pressure when I play tennis, basketball and such.
     
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  27. Shaolin

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    Didn't need to, my memory is quite clear on what happened.
     
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  28. airchallenge2

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    Sorry, I just had this thought: are you a podiatrist yourself? I don't mean to be funny, it's just that I had long conversations with foot doctors over the years (it's part of my job) and what you are saying is new to me.
     
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    I prefer to play with thin and flexible sole shoes, but I do use insoles just for durability of the shoe. Good thing is I play on soft surfaces, ie clay and carpet. Never hard courts.
    I would look for another hobby if I had to play tennis on hard courts.
     
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  30. Shaolin

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    No Im not a medical professional but I do play one on TV.
     
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