Please compare C10 Pro to Tour 10 V-Engine Mid and or DNX10 Mid

[Indy Tennis]

I have used the Volkl Tour 10 V-Engine Mid for the last three or so years. I'm considering trying the C10 Pro 2008.

Can anyone tell me how the two racquets compare?

I've also used the DNX10 Mid extensively so a comparison with that would also help.


I like the heavier swingweight of the DNX10 over the T10VE Mid, but I can't serve nearly as well with it. Plus for some reason I find the DNX10 a bit more inconsistent, perhaps because of the more open string pattern.

I love the pinpoint accuracy of the V-Engine. I wonder if I might lose a bit of that control with the C10?

 

[NoBadMojo]

I have used the Volkl Tour 10 V-Engine Mid for the last three or so years. I'm considering trying the C10 Pro 2008.

Can anyone tell me how the two racquets compare?

I've also used the DNX10 Mid extensively so a comparison with that would also help.

I like the heavier swingweight of the DNX10 over the T10VE Mid, but I can't serve nearly as well with it. Plus for some reason I find the DNX10 a bit more inconsistent, perhaps because of the more open string pattern.

I love the pinpoint accuracy of the V-Engine. I wonder if I might lose a bit of that control with the C10?

the dnx10Mid is more similar to the c10 than the veMid but it is a little more sluggish. i suggest you try the becker11Mid instead

the c10pro likely wont give you the sense of pinpoint accuracy that the veMid does, but will give you a much easier to find sweetzone

 

[bad_call]

Indy - i warm up with the C10 then usually switch over to the T10V for play. the C10 is a very plush racquet...not that the T10V isn't but the C10 is another level of comfort. i prefer the T10V for serving and fast exchanges. if i spent more time with the C10 i would probably get used to it and learn to appreciate it more. however i'm a bit lazy and the T10V seems to fit my strokes more than the C10.

maybe u should pick up a used one and give it a try.

 

[matchmaker]

I played with both the C10 pro and the VE mid. I don't have any experience with the DNX mid.

The VE mid has a very long but narrow sweetspot. That made me looks elswhere in the end. It is also a very low powered frame except on serves and volleys. I loved the action in the upper hoop that the frame allows. Nice flexy feel but with a rather firm hoop, offering excellent directional control.

The C10 pro has some similarities. Great slices come off this frame just like the VE mid.
The power level is altogether different. I find it a very powerful frame. I had to string it up at 58 lbs with a full poly stringjob to find control and placement. So that is certainly different from the VE mid.
However, it has more power so if you find the right string tension for you on the C10 pro you could find an ideal combination between control and spin.
The flex of the C10 is different too. It flexes more in the upper hoop whereas the VE mid flexes rather in the throat.
The sweetspot on the C10 is definitely bigger than on the VE mid.

Overall I would prefer the C10 pro over the VE mid, the only slightly difficult points for the C10 would be the serve and some returns of serve in my experience. Other than these point for which you have to get to know the racquet well, it does everything very very nicely. Groundies, drops, topspin, slice, volleys. putaways, touch shots,....

The C10 is a very good racquet if you take your time with it.

My 2 cent

 

[jck01]

. . . the c10pro likely wont give you the sense of pinpoint accuracy that the veMid does, but will give you a much easier to find sweetzone

I used C10Pro and I still use the VE Mid. I agree with NoBadMojo. I felt the VE Mid gave me greater accuracy in my shots.

 

[Indy Tennis]

Thanks for all the great input.

I think I will give both the C10 and Becker 11 a try in the near future. It's going to be tough to find something as sweet as the T10VE Mid.

 

[matchmaker]

Thanks for all the great input.

I think I will give both the C10 and Becker 11 a try in the near future. It's going to be tough to find something as sweet as the T10VE Mid.

You really ought to try the C10 with a high tension in that case. The C10 can feel springy with low tension, hence the comments on its lack of pinpoint control. When you opt for high tension or full poly setup you will find the control you are looking for. When I got my C10s I couldn't keep the ball in play because they were strung with synthetic gut at middle tension. Now with polys in them they behave extremely well and are very predictable in their ball trajectory. The advantage they have over the T10VE mid is the much wider sweetspot. The VE is so low powered that it gives you indeed a high degree of accuracy but the sweetspot is so narrow that it punishes you on certain shots e.g. high inside out forehands.

 

[bad_call]

Thanks for all the great input.

I think I will give both the C10 and Becker 11 a try in the near future. It's going to be tough to find something as sweet as the T10VE Mid.

i agree. that's why i'm keeping the T10V Mid. have fun with your demos.

btw - in agreement here with matchmaker. using the C10 at 57 or 58 (can't remember) since it supplies more power than the T10V Mid.

 

[Bud]

Is the DNX 10 Mid really that unwieldy/heavy? The swingweight really isn't that high, according to the specs.

The DNX 10 Mid has interesting specs... almost like a Redondo 93.

 

[luv2volley]

It's more for baseliners. You can make awesome passing shots with DNX 10 mid but it's not as manuverable as the Becker Mid or Tour 10 gen2 at the net IMO.

 

[Indy Tennis]

You really ought to try the C10 with a high tension in that case. The C10 can feel springy with low tension, hence the comments on its lack of pinpoint control. When you opt for high tension or full poly setup you will find the control you are looking for. When I got my C10s I couldn't keep the ball in play because they were strung with synthetic gut at middle tension. Now with polys in them they behave extremely well and are very predictable in their ball trajectory. The advantage they have over the T10VE mid is the much wider sweetspot. The VE is so low powered that it gives you indeed a high degree of accuracy but the sweetspot is so narrow that it punishes you on certain shots e.g. high inside out forehands.

Amen on the inside out forehand issues with the T10VE Mid. Thanks for the advice on the tension for the C10. I can't use poly because of past elbow issues. So I'll put the multi in there at the higher end of the range.

I had the notorious fly-away forehand issue with the T10VE MP when I tried it for a few weeks way back when and I hope that's not the case with the C10. With the Kevlar in the composition I bet it has a nice muted feel like the ProKennex Heritage Type C and the Head Pro Tour 280, which both had kevlar (or as Head called it Twaron).

 

[Indy Tennis]

Is the DNX 10 Mid really that unwieldy/heavy? The swingweight really isn't that high, according to the specs.

The DNX10 Mid has a noticeably higher swingweight than the T10VE Mid. I actually love it (most of the time) from the baseline and it is a sweet volleying stick as well. I have two issues with it:

1. I can't find a consistent serve with the DNX10.

2. Groundstrokes in general seem inconsistent to me as well, but more so with heavy forehands. I can't seem to find a groove with it. I've hit with some excellent hitters who give me the same ball time after time and for some reason my topspin forehands go perfect for three or four swings and the fifth shot goes straight into the net or 10 feet long.

I agonized over this and tried like hell to stick with it and get used to the characteristics of the racquet. The best I can figure is the extensive use of the DNX material on the sides of the hoop does something strange to the flex in the hoop. It seems to react very differently with balls hit low in the sweetspot vs. balls higher in the hoop.

I've tried different strings, tensions, etc. to no avail.

I hope the Becker 11, with much less use of the DNX material, will prove more consistent.

Without trying to open a whole new can of worms - I'm to the point where I feel most of these gimmicks (Flexpoint, DNX, O-Ports, etc.) on racquets don't work. That's why I would lean towards the classic old C10.

 

[bagung]

i guess different guys have different strokes....
to me, i found dnx-10 mid has the better control over the bb-11 mid, c-10, T10gen1 and 2...
dnx mid does swing heavier than those, but it does have that solid feel and hit "heavier " balls...
bb11 is the closest to the dnx mid, a bit stiffer , easier to swing and more powerful .......

 

[NoBadMojo]

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I hope the Becker 11, with much less use of the DNX material, will prove more consistent.

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The becker11Mid has more dnx material in it, not less. all of these racquets have very consistent stringbeds.

 

[Klatu Verata Necktie]

I agonized over this and tried like hell to stick with it and get used to the characteristics of the racquet. The best I can figure is the extensive use of the DNX material on the sides of the hoop does something strange to the flex in the hoop. It seems to react very differently with balls hit low in the sweetspot vs. balls higher in the hoop.

I've tried different strings, tensions, etc. to no avail.

I hope the Becker 11, with much less use of the DNX material, will prove more consistent.

Without trying to open a whole new can of worms - I'm to the point where I feel most of these gimmicks (Flexpoint, DNX, O-Ports, etc.) on racquets don't work. That's why I would lean towards the classic old C10.

I demoed the Becker 11 and 11 Mid, wanting to believe that they were even better than my current gold standard T10 VE Mid. My experience was similar to yours in that the hoops felt different in a way I couldn't properly explain. I didn't like the feel at the point of contact, and wasn't hitting a heavier ball than I was with my old stick.

It could be a matter of becoming accustomed to the new feel, but that is a process I'm not willing to undergo.

 

[matchmaker]

Amen on the inside out forehand issues with the T10VE Mid. Thanks for the advice on the tension for the C10. I can't use poly because of past elbow issues. So I'll put the multi in there at the higher end of the range.

I had the notorious fly-away forehand issue with the T10VE MP when I tried it for a few weeks way back when and I hope that's not the case with the C10. With the Kevlar in the composition I bet it has a nice muted feel like the ProKennex Heritage Type C and the Head Pro Tour 280, which both had kevlar (or as Head called it Twaron).

I generally love multis and syn guts but in the C10 pro I really need the polys to get a consistent response.

Off course you have to think of your elbow but what I can say is that I am a heavy tennis elbow case too and the C10 is so soft that polys really don't seem to bother. You could also try a hybrid with some softer poly mains such as Signum Poly Plasma, Big Banger Original or Wilson Enduro Pro.

 

[bad_call]

i decided to give the C10 a little more court time and commit to a set. in preparation, first cut out the poly and string up with fresh syn gut. next cranked in some serves and adjust (more spin) as compared to the T10V. now play a set.

well my opponent wasn't really on so i won the 1st set easily...this time (lost last outing). rain clouds moved in so that was that. have to say that the C10 seemed to be an easier hit for groundstrokes. serving was respectable but no free points like the T10V delivers. so now i'm liking the C10. i don't have to work as hard to hit a reasonable shot. some shots are lacking (compared to the T10V) but it's hard to overlook the ease of connecting with the ball.

i think the C10 is going to be seeing more court time from this player.

 

[matchmaker]

i decided to give the C10 a little more court time and commit to a set. in preparation, first cut out the poly and string up with fresh syn gut. next cranked in some serves and adjust (more spin) as compared to the T10V. now play a set.

well my opponent wasn't really on so i won the 1st set easily...this time (lost last outing). rain clouds moved in so that was that. have to say that the C10 seemed to be an easier hit for groundstrokes. serving was respectable but no free points like the T10V delivers. so now i'm liking the C10. i don't have to work as hard to hit a reasonable shot. some shots are lacking (compared to the T10V) but it's hard to overlook the ease of connecting with the ball.

i think the C10 is going to be seeing more court time from this player.

Both are very fine racquets. The C10 the more powerful, easier, spinnier hit. The VE 10 the scalpal, precision control, rather low powered one.

I think stringing them appropriately is very important.

 

[bad_call]

Indy - btw - the T10V Mid has been my racquet since i returned to the sport...about a year or so. if u are looking for similar attributes then give the C10 a try. :mrgreen:

btw - hit a really nice dropshot with the C10 in the match. i can do this with the T10V as well so no loss of touch with either racquet.