Please give Daniil credit

Fabresque

Hall of Fame
The only thing people are talking about is Djokovic losing, yet nobody seems to mention Medvedev winning. He was phenomenal today, his serves were on point, his groundstroke game annoyed the groundstroke master himself, and he tactically outsmarted Novak.

Increasing his first serve %, going for bigger second serves, and trying to rally with him knowing he had the stamina and strokes to do it, were the key. At the AO, he couldn’t make a single first serve, was putting in extremely weak and returnable second serves, and was trying to outhit somebody you can’t outhit. He completely fixed everything that cost him in the AO Final.

Absolute beast of a performance, he deserves so much credit for the match he put together today.
 

roysid

Hall of Fame
I bow to Medmedev. Savior of mens tennis , finally the man to slay off the beast.

What Taylor Fritz couldn't do it, zverev couldnt do, Nadal couldn't do, tipay couldn't do finally Medvedev did
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Medvedev is in the paradoxical position that a hard-fought five set victory would have drawn far more acclaim than his quick three set victory.

I'm sure he is not concerned about this.
 
People are being naive when they say Djokovic could be better and if he was he would have won easy.

No, Med himself could have been better and if he was, this would have been a bigger beatdown. He could have returned 10 times better especially on second serve. And he could cut down some errors. His groundstrokes while largely good, were in patches lesser than what I call a good day for Med. Med was his best on serve.

Bur If Med was also his best self from ground and return, this would be 6-2 6-2 6-1 destruction.
 
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ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
He was good. He was not phenomenal.
Honestly, I don’t think Medvedev has the ability to reach “phenomenal.” His movement was top tier of the top tiers, his hitting on the run also top tier, his serve had its best pace all tournament (dont think he can place it any better), his return was good on the first serves (second serve could be better), and he leveled up on the forehand which is kind of ugly to be honest. He has no net game or transition game, so this is about as good as he’ll get. Djokovic didn’t really have any easy games, which is crazy.
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
The only thing people are talking about is Djokovic losing, yet nobody seems to mention Medvedev winning. He was phenomenal today, his serves were on point, his groundstroke game annoyed the groundstroke master himself, and he tactically outsmarted Novak.

Increasing his first serve %, going for bigger second serves, and trying to rally with him knowing he had the stamina and strokes to do it, were the key. At the AO, he couldn’t make a single first serve, was putting in extremely weak and returnable second serves, and was trying to outhit somebody you can’t outhit. He completely fixed everything that cost him in the AO Final.

Absolute beast of a performance, he deserves so much credit for the match he put together today.
I totally give Med all the credit in the world, he played great and slapped Joker all over the court. All this BS about Joker being tired is a weak excuse. Med outplayed him pure and simple, he served well but the difference was he could keep his patience and outlast Joker in rally’s.
He looked like he said bring it on grinder boy and I will stay with you easily. He also didn’t give Joker pace to work with, he made Joker supply his own power which forced him into errors.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
People not involved in a dispute don't make excuses. They analyse, just like you do. But they weight things differently.

If you think Djokovic was as fresh as a daisy then you are as entitled to that opinion as those with the opposite view.

I totally give Med all the credit in the world, he played great and slapped Joker all over the court. All this BS about Joker being tired is a weak excuse. Med outplayed him pure and simple, he served well but the difference was he could keep his patience and outlast Joker in rally’s.
He looked like he said bring it on grinder boy and I will stay with you easily. He also didn’t give Joker pace to work with, he made Joker supply his own power which forced him into errors.
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
For me, he broke Djokovic.

Everyone expected CYGS, history. Even the crowd was all behind Djokovic. This surprised Novak, I think, and Medvedev saw it, so he tried to keep it that way, fist pumping on Novak errors and doing some sarcastic stuff, like he has done before, to ensure he was the under dog and could keep playing in Novak's shadow. Novak seemed distracted from the get go, while Medvedev was 100% focused and had a plan. He took off pace on shots, while retaining depth and forced Novak to draw in almost all rallies in Novak's games. In his own games it was full fire and as many short points as possible. I thought it was a really great tactical performance by Medvedev and he rarely left his plan, only got cute on a couple of occasions during the entire match. Medvedev's ground game forced Djokovic to serve and volley and he found himself out of his comfort zone. The backhand broke down and he got helpless.

I didn't see Novak tired, I saw him not "being there". The occasion became too big for him. Think he might have won if it was the semis.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
It is this fancful interpretation that has bedeviled analysis of this match. Novak had nothing left in the tank for the final, which is almost entirely his own fault. We don't need armchair psychology.

For me, he broke Djokovic.

Everyone expected CYGS, history. Even the crowd was all behind Djokovic. This surprised Novak, I think, and Medvedev saw it, so he tried to keep it that way, fist pumping on Novak errors and doing some sarcastic stuff, like he has done before, to ensure he was the under dog and could keep playing in Novak's shadow. Novak seemed distracted from the get go, while Medvedev was 100% focused and had a plan. He took off pace on shots, while retaining depth and forced Novak to draw in almost all rallies in Novak's games. In his own games it was full fire and as many short points as possible. I thought it was a really great tactical performance by Medvedev and he rarely left his plan, only got cute on a couple of occasions during the entire match. Medvedev's ground game forced Djokovic to serve and volley and he found himself out of his comfort zone. The backhand broke down and he got helpless.

I didn't see Novak tired, I saw him not "being there". The occasion became too big for him. Think he might have won if it was the semis.
 

Dominic & Andrey

Hall of Fame
Medvedev really is the best young players at handling being in a winning position in big matches, his weakness is sometimes giving up when he is losing, but usually he is confident and like leading and be the favorite to win. Which is completely different from Zverev and Tsitsipas who will play freely when losing and when they are the underdog, but as soon they realize they can actually win the big match, they will often collapse
I give Daniil huge props for that, and for winning some important rallies and being so solid from the baseline and on his serve, to never allow Djokovic to gain confidence and to come back. He handled the match like a true champion. And will be remembered as the player who stopped Djokovic from doing the CYGS, and as the only player defeating him in slams in 2021. Historically a huge slam win
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The Queen of Spades, A Tale of St. Petersburg, is on TV at the moment. The TV guide always predicts correctly.
 

tex123

Professional
The only thing people are talking about is Djokovic losing, yet nobody seems to mention Medvedev winning. He was phenomenal today, his serves were on point, his groundstroke game annoyed the groundstroke master himself, and he tactically outsmarted Novak.

Increasing his first serve %, going for bigger second serves, and trying to rally with him knowing he had the stamina and strokes to do it, were the key. At the AO, he couldn’t make a single first serve, was putting in extremely weak and returnable second serves, and was trying to outhit somebody you can’t outhit. He completely fixed everything that cost him in the AO Final.

Absolute beast of a performance, he deserves so much credit for the match he put together today.
First serve - huge.

Second serve - he clearly had a plan to either go for another first serve or mix it up.

Forehand - tactic was to provide neutral high ball with more topspin to Novak's backhand. He was afraid of fast ball coming back. He went for it when N was out of position.

Drop shot - horrible. He got away with it as Novak was nervous.

Slice - he tried but he does not have a good slice. More out of necessity
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
It's simply insulting to Djokovic to run with this 'nervous' argument. It's meant to explain Djokovic's complete failure, but it can't.
 

stephenclown

Professional
It is this fancful interpretation that has bedeviled analysis of this match. Novak had nothing left in the tank for the final, which is almost entirely his own fault. We don't need armchair psychology.
I'm surprised about these comments, there is no reason why he should have nothing left. Novak is an extremely talented endurance athlete who built a career playing gruelling 6 hour snorefests against Murray. He should have only had one tough match on paper before the final as berretini was unlikely to cause any issue at all.

In the 5 matches before the semis, in sets that he won, he dropped 35 games (2.3 games per set).

He played ranks 136, 121, 56 and 99 before the quarters.

He didn't have a tough draw at all, yet prior to the semis he had 4 hours more on court than med or zverev - similar to Felix who had a few hard fought matches.

In the end Djokovic played quite poorly for most of the tournament. He looked disgruntled and nearly took out a ball kid against Zverev...
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Most people here saw Djokovic's draw as the far harder of the two, and Djokovic often has a disgruntled air about him.

To win a slam you need to win matches quickly, even if the opposition is very tough, and Novak couldn't do it so he deserved to lose.

I'm surprised about these comments, there is no reason why he should have nothing left. Novak is an extremely talented endurance athlete who built a career playing gruelling 6 hour snorefests against Murray. He should have only had one tough match on paper before the final as berretini was unlikely to cause any issue at all.

In the 5 matches before the semis, in sets that he won, he dropped 35 games (2.3 games per set).

He played ranks 136, 121, 56 and 99 before the quarters.

He didn't have a tough draw at all, yet prior to the semis he had 4 hours more on court than med or zverev - similar to Felix who had a few hard fought matches.

In the end Djokovic played quite poorly for most of the tournament. He looked disgruntled and nearly took out a ball kid against Zverev...
 

ChrisG

Professional
Medvedev played at goat level and a tired Novak couldn’t handle it. Those long rallies when Med outplayed and outlasted the man who mastered it was very impressive
 

Patogen

Rookie
I fell asleep during the second and awoke during the third. I would say that Daniil played his standard good match. He didn't really have to reach too deep in his pocket unlike two years ago. So credit to him for being so solid on the serve and in the rallies, but the overall level of play was hardly phenomenal. It didn't feel like a final at all. And it wasn't the case of one player being outclassed by the other, like 2019 AO final, or 2008 FO final, or what have you. Novak simply froze. It felt like a green, nervous first-time finalist facing a seasoned veteran. You either rise to the occasion, or you don't. Novak didn't this time. Unfortunately for him, he is not a green first-time finalist with entire prime ahead of him. This was nothing to learn from, because it just won't repeat, and knowing so probably put all too much cement in his shoes.

Good for Daniil though. We'll see how he does when facing a player of comparable quality, lol.
 
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Hitman

G.O.A.T.
The only thing people are talking about is Djokovic losing, yet nobody seems to mention Medvedev winning. He was phenomenal today, his serves were on point, his groundstroke game annoyed the groundstroke master himself, and he tactically outsmarted Novak.

Increasing his first serve %, going for bigger second serves, and trying to rally with him knowing he had the stamina and strokes to do it, were the key. At the AO, he couldn’t make a single first serve, was putting in extremely weak and returnable second serves, and was trying to outhit somebody you can’t outhit. He completely fixed everything that cost him in the AO Final.

Absolute beast of a performance, he deserves so much credit for the match he put together today.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you haven't read all the messages. Many of us have being congratulating Medvedev, a truly deserving champion, he held it together and was the better man.
 
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